I think that MSE should be a place where (well-thought out, well-reasoned) ideas should flow freely, and users shouldn't be actively economically disincentivized to post ideas that the community might disagree with, and economically incentivized to post ideas that they know the community would agree with.
@rene Ah, yes, as an RO you can see that all the messages were self-deleted.
@TravisJ [creates request with lots of reasoning that thinks others would agree with] [turns out others don't agree with it, receives downvotes, loses rep]
Create a neutral discussion on the topic to see if the community outlook aligns with yours prior to posting an actual feature request.
1. Identify a problem. 2. Discuss problem with community. 3. Assess feedback, and if it lines up with the direction you were thinking. 4. Post feature-request in line with feedback, sometimes in a different direction than you considered.
@TravisJ Here's an example of such a discussion: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/311700/…. It's received a ton of downvotes. Can you please tell me where the research is lacking?
The thing that amplifies the "popularity contest" feel is this: if you have a request that's received downvotes that you've lost rep for, you can either leave the request up, or recant your idea and get the rep back.
There are thee main issues with that question. 1) It was written as a feature request at first (I know you edited it out, but that doesn't change the tone; 2) It is super biased in its approach and not written from a neutral standpoint; 3) There is a false premise written all over that question which is: "50 reputation for comments is a problem".
I have seen dozens of flavors of that same exact post as well.
Hhh... the first moment you returned to this room was asking why you got downvoted (again), and debating this same "I value my MSE rep" (again)?... sorry, I have to really ignore you this time. FYI.
@Catija Journeyman Geek's last kick just before I was suspended caused me to get permanently banned from creating new rooms and inviting users to existing rooms. Since I didn't abuse those privileges, is there a chance that they can be reinstated?
I have to admit, I can't understand why this is getting downvoted… the prevalence of mis-informed reopen reviews seems impossible to deny for anyone who's looked through more than a few review results. Maybe there are some lucky sites that don't suffer this? Don't know which those might be, though. — Nathan TuggySep 9 at 2:54
Okay, well, he left, but still finishing my thought real quick.
Seems reasonable considering past history.
> Ideally, I'd request that the diff view only be shown if the task was created as a result of an edit within five days, and not show it if the task was created by an external reopen vote, but I see that as being potentially controversial.
This is no longer neutral, and also admits to controversy, which is then reflected in the vote count! Even still, the question is faring reasonably.
To be fair, you are already receiving a decent amount of special treatment by asking staff members for their individual review of issues that they would have otherwise probably not reviewed.
@TravisJ When did I do that just now? I just asked here generally, expecting input from community members here. Catija, the only staff member here, just happened to also respond.
I did not specifically seek out Catija's review of it.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog this room is no-one's personal access to staff. You have used that privilege beyond what most of us here deemed reasonable. If I'm uncomfortable with it or not is not really relevant but I think for the overall atmosphere in this room I still might do that, yes. Just refrain from pinging staff. It is not that hard.
@rene I come here for the one-on-one chats with staff members. Maybe I guess we should have another room where users can chat one-on-one with staff members.
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I... don't think we're generally in a position where we need to give a specific user persistent access to us one-on-one where we're obligated to respond.
Well I see people creating one-on-one rooms with staff, I did it recently with Shog. The invited staff member doesn't have to react of course but they usually does. Main point is to not nag them. @Sonic
@AdamLear If an RO kicks a user for the third time, resulting in a 30-minute kick. It's a preventative measure intended to stop the kicked user from inviting others to other rooms while the kick is in place. But it's not reinstated after the kick expires; only a mod can reinstate it.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog You created a room a couple of weeks ago just to invite me into a room that I'd already been invited into but hadn't cleared the invites for.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog creating a new room just to ping someone because you can't do it here is the same as creating new account to dodge question ban. Aka don't do it.
Since my history here doesn't include a long and persistent pattern of abusing invites or room creation here, I think those privileges should be reinstated.
in general... I feel like invites should eventually expire or we should give better indication that an invite is still pending. I'd have to think more carefully about the implication of auto-expiry
@Sonic look... I can't go too deep into it. But if you value my opinion and advise, just accept that you can't invite certain staff members to rooms anymore. You can probably still invite others and create new rooms. But if you see you can't do something or told to not do something, trying to find ways around it usually gets things worse.
As a condition of those privileges being reinstated, I agree not to invite staff members to existing rooms unless absolutely necessary. Per the advice above, I may still create new one-on-one rooms, which I understand staff members do not have the obligation to respond in. If I do keep using these privileges in a manner where the community doesn't like it, feel free to kick me three times in a row and those privileges will be gone again.
It's worth noting that I was communicating with Catija in Sonic's Den as a normal community member before she was hired by SE.
@Catija I know I did that to work around those limitations. That said, with those conditions, do you agree to reinstate my room creation and invite privileges?
My goals with this room thus far have been: 1. to be able to talk to staff members and obtain more information on the various intricacies of the software that powers SE sites 2. to be able to turn off my neurotypical emulator and talk to people who are also interested in SE, my autistic "special interest", and exchange information at length about SE. I understand I can't meet the first goal here, but is my second goal out of alignment with this room?
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog It depends on how you approach that and if you are capable on responding to feedback and advice to knock it off. Beyond that, most of info on SE is found on meta so that will not be the primary topic of the chatter here.
@PaulWhite Sometimes it is. Especially on like, a Tuesday, when a feature gets released or a blog is posted, etc. But often, on down days, and mostly Fridays, and especially Happy Hour, it is primarily just a place to kind of wind down.
Also, I've always thought that being there for users who want to chat one on one is part of staff members' professional obligation, and that staff members are super interested in SE and is their form of relaxation (it isn't).
Critically many aspects of your behavior has made the tavern a much less .. pleasant place and well that is the problem
Consider this - the social mechanics of a site are just as important as the internal mechanics. You're going to have a lot more luck getting your answers if people think well of you
Other than the occasional 'wait, they quietly fixed that FR I made 3 years ago' I've found that the 'social capital' I've built up with people across the network helps me get answers quicker or even influence decisions in small ways.
My goals with this room thus far have been: 1. to be able to talk to staff members and obtain more information on the various intricacies of the software that powers SE sites 2. to be able to turn off my neurotypical emulator and talk to people who are also interested in SE, my autistic "special interest", and exchange information at length about SE. I understand I can't meet the first goal here, but is my second goal out of alignment with this room?