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12:08 AM
@PaulWhite made it clearer this is a sock - as per your concerns. I cannot for the life of me remember why that was removed.
Or I will if the profile edit page dosen't stop glitching out
There done. Also changed location from "The Internet" to
"Journeyman Geek's Sock Drawer"
 
 
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1:34 AM
Also Morning!
@Somewhat Personally I think its also "How have I been unwelcoming?"
Also "How can I better help a new user with making the most of SE?"
Which I think is just as important - a lot of the comments I post to new users getting it wrong are aimed at letting them know why the comment or question they just posted as an answer got deleted
 
2:10 AM
Does SmokeDetector also check for text in HTML comments?
Like if I write a perfectly good answer (or question), but with an HTML comment like <!-- viagra penis enlargement free bitcoins spam@gmail.com -->, will it flag it?
 
Charcoal HQ is the official chat room for Smokey's developer, I think you'll get the answer quicker on there

 Charcoal HQ

Where diamonds are made, smoke is detected, and we break thing...
 
Ah, thanks!
 
Anyway, ugh, morning...
Workday between holidays... (yeah, tomorrow is also a new year and thus holiday on some countries)
 
(turns out it will not flag it since it's not in the rendered output)
 
@forest no
If you do find something like that, custom flag
I'm sure the mods will find it entertaining for about 2 seconds before they nuke the post and user
 
2:21 AM
heh
Actually, it looks like the comment doesn't actually become a comment on the page, so I guess it's only visible if you click edit and see it.
 
Looks like it, because they depend on SEDE's output which only provide Body rendered text,, but no markdown source.
Anyway, is the screenshot one of Diamond Mod's tools?
 
3:03 AM
Ya
 
3:22 AM
Say, can mods edit comments?
Like if I made an embarrassing typo, but I can't edit the comment since it's been over 5 minutes, and I can't delete it and re-post it since that would break the flow of the comments, can I flag it to get it edited?
 
@forest Yes
BUUUUUT its a waste of our time in most cases
So I wouldn't recommend doing it
 
@PaulUszak You are comparing apples and oranges. With Go, you can tell when you are winning or losing, and each move gives you feedback. Do you still think deep learning could excel at Go if it wasn't allowed to see the opponent's response or the current board state, and had to win a trillion trillion trillion trillion games in a row before it is able to learn that it has even one a single game? — forest yesterday
I just spelled "won" as "one". I have no idea how idea that happened.
I really wish I could edit comments after 5 minutes. I guess I'll have to live with it. :(
 
lol
I'm not mad enough at the crypto mods to say "go flag it" ;)
 
:P
Were there actually problems with people intentionally editing their comments to break the flow of the conversation or to maliciously change the meaning of the comment to make replies look bad? Or were comments always locked after 5 minutes?
 
Its always been that way I think
least as far as I can remember
 
4:02 AM
All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that so much to ask?
3
 
4:39 AM
Hey @facebook , what's the purpose of allowing people to like/react to their own posts/comments?
 
Will you be asking Twitter the same question?
 
to console the "forever alone"? :(
 
5:05 AM
Cause apparently twitter is the helldesk of the internet
hmmm
Speaking of twitter
If you think posting smartass comments and gifs in an already tense GitHub thread will help, you're wrong. When a decision is made, disagreeing in the form of being an asshole will cause absolutely no one to change their mind and get on your side. Don't be that person.
this is probably true everywhere on the internet
 
5:38 AM
s/GitHub/SE unified theme
 
6:24 AM
Well meta as a whole I guess
Or any community you're part of
 
Think nick is preaching to the choir there
btw perfect start to monday morning: wake up late and sick
 
@Magisch he is, but good things are worth sharing ;)
 
7:13 AM
17 messages moved to Chimney
 
@Magisch hah.
I had my night shift swapped for a day shift
 
7:33 AM
Hhh... today is just another lazy day because tomorrow is a holiday...
 
@Somewhat So, any plans for this lazy day?
 
fixing bugs lazily :/
 
Hhh... accidentally clicking "help center" link while flagging MSE question as off-topic...
 
@Catija I think I should. Another time.
@JourneymanGeek It's a thread. I saw it in the morning. Started my day with that tweet
 
@OptimusPrime Which github thread is that tweet referring to?
 
8:15 AM
@Magisch cved and delvoted :)
 
8:39 AM
interesting topic on academia: academia.stackexchange.com/questions/116460/…
 
8:50 AM
@Magisch Hmmm. Weird way of grading stuff, enforcing an average of 85
 
I've never actually heard of a teacher doing that here
 
@Magisch Me neither. Maybe it's a culture thing, since I've never heard of curved grades over here either.
 
That'd mean I could get an A for either 80/100 points on an exam or 100/100 points on an exam, depending on how classmates did. Wouldn't it then be in my best interest to not help classmates in understanding the material, since them scoring higher means I necessarily score lower?
 
Heh... the one time I did help someone with their geography, they retook the test and scored higher than I did initially :/
 
Like if I'm reasonably confident I can score a 90% on a test. That'd mean that if I helped all my classmates who were struggling to also score my 90, I'd get a lower grade then if I had done nothing
 
8:54 AM
Yeah, it's a weird way of grading
 
The only thing teachers used to do here is when they severely botched the grading scale on an exam they'd take out specific tasks from counting against you
One example was a specific task in the last year second intermediary math exam I did. The task was completly off in terms of challenge and only 2/25 people completed it.
 
Yep, same here. If a question e.g. wasn't covered well in class, and counted too heavy towards the end results, it's taken out
 
In education, marking on a curve (BE) or grading on a curve (AE, CE) (also referred to as curved grading, bell curving, or using grading curves) is a method of assigning grades to the students in a class in such a way as to obtain a pre-specified distribution of these grades, such as a normal distribution (also called Gaussian distribution). The term "curve" refers to the bell curve, the graphical representation of the probability density of the normal distribution, but this method can be used to achieve any desired distribution of the grades – for example, a uniform distribution. One method of...
I experienced this~
 
Seems like it'd encourage bad behaviors and be unrepresentative
 
@Somewhat Do you know why your teachers applied it?
 
9:02 AM
That would completly destroy the significance of grading for me if i were to see it from the perspective of an employer.
How do I know someone was actually good at the subject and not just not as bad as their class mates?
 
@Tinkeringbell Unfortunately no, because AFAIK this was applied on university-level, not teacher-level
 
@Somewhat Ah... Okay. The link seems to be suggesting there's not much benefit to be had from curved grading :/
 
The most blatant point is that it highly disincentivized collaborative learning
It is in your best interest that all your classmates perform as badly as possible
 
In the end... I dunno if my employer looked at my individual grade or not :S
And I learnt that "grade is not everything"...
But regarding grades, perhaps there's a different perspective between... (sorry), Asians and Westerners/Europeans?
Because...
...
 
@Somewhat Well, I know some numerus clausus studies over here select based on grades, and I got a higher candidate score for the training to become a software engineer based on my university grades too
@Somewhat I don't know. It seems to me that there must be a reason, but I think USA does curved grades a lot as well (and those are westerners, I think? :P)
 
@Somewhat Kiasu is very singaporean
 
9:51 AM
Hello!
 
Hello too!
 
I'm new on the meta chat and I'm a bit lost. :) Where can I go to ask for help? I have a question to ask but I'm not sure which site use.
Is there a chatroom for questions like this? :)
 
Hi! So, what's the question about?
(I think this chatroom is just fine for such questions ;) )
 
This is a general chat room for Meta SE, you're free to ask for help regarding the site
 
Oh, thank you @Tinkeringbell . :) My question is about online games like Ogame : about how data are represented and updated in DB.
Thanks @Somewhat! :)
I was considering using Stack Overflow but since it's not about a particular problem but a kinda generic question I was wondering if it wouldn't be more in a site like Computer Science.
 
10:06 AM
Hmm.. I don't hang around much on those sites, so I don't really know which one that'd fit on. Sorry!
Hopefully someone else in here will know :)
 
No problem. Thanks anyway! :)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Where do I find the fruit tamarind? by Emmanuel on cooking.SE
 
@vmonteco There's tag on Meta SE, but reading from the short description of your question, I'm not sure if it's factually answerable unless by their developer themselves. Meanwhile, there's also Game Development for game development related.
 
@Somewhat That may indeed be more relevant! Thank you for this answer. :)
 
user194636
@vmonteco Be sure to read their help pages before asking, and in particular read gamedev.meta.stackexchange.com/q/626 to make sure the question is presented the right way.
 
10:21 AM
@vmonteco some stuff's a little tricky to get into an in scope question
 
10:50 AM
@PaulWhite I'm used to asking on StackOverflow. Are the usages in other sites really different? I've read the gamedev post you shared and I think my question would be fine there. :)
@JourneymanGeek I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you're meaning. :S
 
@vmonteco in a sense there's two things you need to work aroud
Its either a very broad question with many approaches (as a general one) or one very few people can answer (how does this game store this data in a DB)
 
user194636
@vmonteco Yep some sites have very strict rules, others not so much. Always worth checking their help, and often their metas as well, unless the question is very obviously on-topic. Especially for a first question 🙂
 
as well as the sites themselves ;)
 
Actually, a new search highlighted a post that already seems to answer my question : gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/141103/… and it even kinda is the answer I was thinking about. :)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Is rolling to escape a monster required? by danielmanor2018 on boardgames.SE
 
10:57 AM
Thanks to everyone for the advices and suggestions! :)
 
o/ \o
 
NOT THE BIRD!
 
The story of a bird, a potato, and an AI...
 
@JourneymanGeek Oh wow... very welcoming. Okay, bye!
 
user194636
11:00 AM
>-o-<
 
@Tinkeringbell BIIIIRRRRD!
@PaulWhite tie defender?
 
user194636
open to interpretation
 
user194636
I started off aiming for a bird, but who knows where I ended up
 
could be the eye of agamotto. Or the eye of aginomoto....
 
I thinkg I'd go with ^v^ for a bird :)
 
11:09 AM
BIRD!
 
in addition to banner blindness, looks like I grow Smokey report blindness too...
 
Ya, that looks birdy
 
Surely everyone has heard that the bird is the word
 
11:26 AM
@Somewhat Yeah, me too for a statistics course... >:-) You were warned beforehand that the average student was going to pass.
Unfortunately for the prof, he was dealing with a bunch of scientists and we all agreed to come to the course, read the materials and do no further work...
 
user194636
11:43 AM
^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^
 
user194636
(flock)
 
Yay! Migrations south have started. Now I can safely go and start hibernation too :D
 
user194636
Sleep does sound good at this point.
 
Yeah. I'm guessing it's the lower levels of sunlight, but I've been really sleepy lately
 
@Tinkeringbell Macaw or Parrot species don't hibernate, do they?
 
11:50 AM
@Magisch Generally not, but I'm a special case :P I could change my avatar to a hedgehog, field mice, bear ... and then just not log in again until spring :P
 
@Tinkeringbell haha, but you have obligations now
the diamond weighs on you to be online consistently :p
 
@Magisch I could just record my absence :)
Not that anyone would be very happy with it, but technically it could be done :P
 
@Tinkeringbell You sure about the "Not very happy" part?
:P :D :P
 
"Hello yes due to hibernation I will not be moderating in fall or winter"
 
Chaos! Insults! unwelcoming messages galore!
>:-) ;-) >:-)
 
11:58 AM
@Fabby So? There's other mods to handle those :P
And to be honest, I'm probably the one causing chaos nine out of 10 times
But as you wish, I'll be gone for the next hour or so, so enjoy your chaos!
 
user194636
@Tinkeringbell what colour hedgehog 🤣
 
@Tinkeringbell macaws don't hibernate
Oh someone said that
 
They say humans don't either, but I'm very tempted to prove them wrong.
 
user194636
Cross the equator mid-autumn. Problems solved.
 
@SmokeDetector f wrong baba
 
12:56 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: html2canvas Imagem na div by Tecnologic Brasil on pt.stackoverflow.com
 
@Somewhat ......
 
1:25 PM
@Fabby Dutch is much more fun: When the cat's not home, the mice dance on the table :)
 
@Tinkeringbell Wanneer de kat van huis is, dansen de muizen op tafel.
Dutch is my second language.
 
*wanneer. But correct :)
@Fabby It shows :P
 
:P
The expressions are very similar in French, English, Dutch
 
Probably :)
There's no English equivalent for 'het regent pijpestelen' though :)
 
It's raining cats and dogs...
 
1:39 PM
Yeah but cats and dogs aren't very similar to pijpestelen now, are they? :P
 
no, it's worse! :D
Flemish: het regent ouwe wijven! (worse than "pijpestelen") and then there is always "wolkbreuk"...
(Like the cloud gets split in 2 and all water comes out of it in one go like a waterfall...)
I like that one best!
 
Or the impending "schip met zure appelen"
 
@Bart The first time my mom told me that one, I didn't know where to look for it :P
 
:D
 
haha
 
1:46 PM
I remember driving out of A'dam on the A2 in the middle of a cloud breach with traffic at about 10-20 km/h and it felt like being in a submarine...
It still brings a smile to my face.
 
@Fabby The tunnels and bridges are fun in that kind of weather...
All of a sudden, nothing...
and then deafening noise again
 
:D yes! :D
 
2:00 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Is it possible to build muscle on a vegan diet with only two or three meals a day ✏️ by Koume on vegetarianism.SE
 
@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Classic! Isn't that the best ever mayfly song?
(ééndagsvlieg)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Installing php-fpm apache 2.4.6 on Centos 7 by user6730525 on serverfault.com
 
@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Other side of that: youtube.com/watch?v=HORkT4a2MhQ
 
The first version I've heard was the one by Geri Halliwell.
 
2:19 PM
@JohnDvorak Shows your age...
;-)
 
ooi! ;p
 
The original is mostly the best one except for one hare and there...
 
What's wrong with hares?
Unless you mean that one hare.
 
@JohnDvorak I got a phone call whyle typing that...
Anyway: this is the original:
Better version:
 
hell no
 
2:31 PM
Hell, yeah! :D
 
That hermaphrodite is the main cause of brain bleach having been developed twenty years ahead of time. Cost us a lot of tech points.
 
Original:
Improved version:
And that's about it!
So many covers are just what they are: covers
 
@JohnDvorak :D But his songs are still great!
 
2:36 PM
@JohnDvorak Jeff Buckley's version is still better.
 
@JohnDvorak AFAI can find, there is no recording of the original...
 
Hallelujah has been covered to death
 
Wait, who's the original here?
 
2:39 PM
Ah, nice.
There's the pogues version. Can't say I'm a fan though.
 
@JohnDvorak You Irish?
 
Nope, but I love Irish music
 
Czech or American then. ;-)
 
Czech
 
Dvorak narrowed that down :D
 
2:44 PM
That was the highest likelyhood: I can even pronounce your name then.
@Bart John Dvorak could have been John C Dvorak:
John Charles Dvorak (born April 5, 1952) is an American columnist and broadcaster in the areas of technology and computing. His writing extends back to the 1980s, when he was a regular columnist in a variety of magazines. Dvorak is also the vice president of Mevio (formerly PodShow) and has been a host on TechTV and TWiT.tv. He is currently a co-host of the No Agenda podcast. == Early life == John Charles Dvorak was born in 1952 in Los Angeles, California. The nephew of sociologist and creator of the Dvorak keyboard, August Dvorak, he graduated from the University of California, Berkeley with a...
Shows my age ---^
 
I suspect I should switch to Jon H. Vardok.
 
VARDOK THE VANQUISHER!
(If you ever decide to be a barbarian or supervillan...)
 
@JourneymanGeek If you don't speak Greek, you are a Barbarian already...
(Ask Terdon)
 
@Fabby Oddly enough, I get that joke
 
You speak Greek?
The origin of the word is Greek meaning "Anything not Greek"
 
2:54 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Aircraft parts database by jack29 on opendata.SE
 
No, but as what oddly enough being the last vestiges of victorian civilisation, I get the joke ;)
 
dim
I'm desperate. Has anyone already seen a rollback war between two diamond mods on a meta post? Right now on EE.SE, we're reaching surrealism levels even Dali would be uncomfortable with.
 
lol
Mods are only human
(unless they are dogs. Or other critters)
 
@dim Three words: Joel's political rant
 
eh, that was just mass regular users
 
dim
2:56 PM
@Journeyman Sure, but they're supposed to save us from trolls. Now, they're trolling.
 
It broke the record on unilateral reopens by SE employees. About hundredfold.
 
@dim I'm sure at some point someone will step in
either another mod or a CM
 
@dim ? Link?
 
I'm also curious.
 
@dim Sorry for starring that. Just too funny: mods trolling one another.
 
wow
 
Ping a CM?
 
@Fabby actually... no, I didn't
 
@Catija for example?
for this one? 2 mods needing cooling off time?
 
dim
I don't know, it's not really my role and I don't wanna put oil on fire. Not even sure it was a good idea to submit this here...
 
2:59 PM
I was going to ask for a link but its too late to get sucked into internet drama lol
@dim well, its actually the wisest thing to do in situations like this IMO
 
It's never too late to watch people shout at each other
 
@JohnDvorak :(
 
Catija will handle it with a feather @dim
and if that doesn't work, she will use the entire chicken, slaughter it and do some serious black voodoo! :D ;-) :D
 
@JohnDvorak With my current job? Yes, there's such a thing ;p
 
dim
Yeah, I thought chat would make less drama than another post on meta.
@Fabby And how do you contact Catija?
 
3:02 PM
So, you did the right thing to come to the tavern... Isn't that its main "Raison d' être"?
 
@dim I don't think he did lol
 
She has been pinged already and is probably on it already.
 
;p
did he?
ANYWAY, she's here, so... you're in good hands.
 
3 mins ago, by Fabby
@Catija for example?
 
@Fabby after she turned up and asked lol
 
3:03 PM
2 mins ago, by Fabby
Catija will handle it with a feather @dim
 
@dim lol
 
dim
All right, now I feel dumb...
 
@dim Well, its a situation that rarely happens
 
If she slaughtered the chicken and used black voodoo, I want to know about it though!
:D :D :D
 
dim
3:07 PM
Anyway, thanks guys... Let's hope this is going to be sorted out nicely.
 
Pretty sure black magic as a way to prepare food isn't sanctioned by the WHO.
 
Also couldn't we just use a spammer?
 
Ah! Instead of a chicken you mean...
@JourneymanGeek No, needs to be virgin blood for Voodoo...
:P :D :P
Chickens are just easier.
If anyone from christians.stackexchange.com drops into the conversation right now; they're going to be oout of this room faster than in!
>:-) ;-) >:-)
Smoke! BRB
 
@Fabby I do not see why spammer won't work
 
Don't tempt me: I can gross anyone out in any language, whereas I cannot be insulted in any any more...
;-) :-)
SMOKE!
 
dim
3:14 PM
Smoking's bad, m'kaaaay
 
EE.SE... still about that controversial "replacement part" identification question, eh...?
(for those who want to delve a bit deeper about the source of the rollback war.... actually not that deep... start from this meta post, then this, this, which perhaps initiated this and thus this
and finally, the latest which hopefully be the conclusive one...
 
dim
@Somewhat Yes. But the origin of this need to clarify rules (which is good: it doesn't hurt to clarify rules) has been some controversial action from a mod, and that hasn't really been sorted out. Now it seems they're fighting each other, and it certainly isn't good.
 
 
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6:02 PM
ByeByeWeen2018
 
@rene Kick or treat?
 
:D
 
We have toilet paper for your house ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Just... please do the neighbours house as well :)
 
6:06 PM
:)
 
 
4 hours later…
9:44 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ ---^ SPAM
 
@Fabby Can't you trigger sd yourself so far?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ No, You told me to go to some chat room and talk to someone there, but I forgot where.
 
@Fabby Ask to subscribe for smokey with the RO's, use commands as soon you are: charcoal-se.org/smokey/Commands
 
:D
 
@fabby Ask an RO to add you to the list of priviledged users 1st
 
9:56 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm an RTFM guy.
Reading now before asking.
 
I gave you half of the FM
That translates to fine manual of course :3
 
:D
I'll ask Thomas...
 
Ask @rene @journey @shadow any of the ROs.
 
Tomorrow: he's not online now and I need to go to sleep so...
 
Chrrrr ....
 
9:59 PM
I need sleep first and do some more reading...
Funny to see ByteCommander, Videonauth and Thomas in there: they know me best.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ That's what Rene, JourneymanGeek and ShadowWizard are? The G8?
:D
Ah... never saw that one before...
G8
 
I'll appreciate to see you attending the spam fighting squad here ;-)
 
 
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11:13 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I am not RO here...
 

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