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Literally out of 5 people in it, 7 in processing, 2 in marketing, 4 in purchasing, 9 in sales and 4 bosses I'm the only one who doesn't at least consume 3 cups of coffee a day

Journeyman Geek

Ah

Magisch

9:41 AM

I know each of the labs sometimes go through 4 whole cans of coffee a day

Journeyman Geek

Hopefully proper coffee?

Magisch

few of them have specific preferences

Journeyman Geek

Ah.

Magisch

I don't know how to judge coffee though as I have never liked it

Journeyman Geek

I have not drunk instant except under duress in ages

I am not a fan of pods cause waste

Magisch

9:43 AM

The only coffee I can drink basically is iced coffee from the store in a can

But that is more sugar and milk then actual coffee

Bart

Here in switzerland we actually have special nespresso recycling bins :D

Magisch

And there are better ways to get your caffeine on if that's what's required.

Like caffeine tablets

Bart

Magisch

You can get them in 100mg increments so if you really need caffeine to stay awake (should be rare unless your schedule is shot by night shift or something similar) you can use them

Journeyman Geek

Well it needs to taste like coffee and i do not like it too bitter

@Magisch Indian coffee is with milk and sugar

rene

9:45 AM

@Bart Only for Nespresso? Other brands disallowed? Posh Swiss ...

Journeyman Geek

Pod coffee for pod people

Magisch

One thing I find odd is that

Bart

@rene haha, other ones are allowed I guess, as long as they're aluminium.

Journeyman Geek

:p

Magisch

my local grocery store sells like 4-5x more cola without caffeine then with

Somehow cola without caffeine has become super popular here

rene

9:46 AM

Where do you put your mug on that Nespresso machine?

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I cut down cause caffeine kinda gave me jitters

Also didn't help with anxiety

Magisch

I don't use much caffeine to begin with besides what is in my tea

Journeyman Geek

I have cola once in a blue moon. One coffee a day

Magisch

I found interfering with my natural sleep cycle is seriously detrimental to my health

I don't do all nighters like I used to anymore for instance

Journeyman Geek

Alas I need to do it for my current job

Magisch

9:48 AM

This is the ultimate boring adult realization. Staying up late is not worth destroying your circadian rhythm for 2 days straight

16 year old me would scoff right now

I feel for friends of mine who have irregularly changing shifts

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Heh

Ash fixed up my sleep cycles

As a pup he was a firm believer in if I go to sleep everyone must go to sleep

Whoot we did most of a normal, short walk

Annnnd normal route again after 2 weeks

Somewhat

11:15 AM

It's been a while I've gone outside on weekend :O

Journeyman Geek

Oh I walk Ash whenever I am free to

My dad lacks patience anyway

Somewhat

My dad loves dog, but he doesn't want to walk his dog, and now it might be too late to walk him (so aggressive 😣)

And again, the neighborhood...

Anyway, actually I want to share this... "Heart breakening (?)" MSO post

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Q: When is a comment hostile or unfriendly? (Educating newer users how to flag comments)

TL; DR Basically there's an increase of people flagging comments as unkind when there's nothing wrong with them. A comment saying your question is a duplicate is not rude. So please stop it. Background I've mentioned something similar before on Meta Comments asking for clarification or an MC...

Journeyman Geek

hm

Somewhat

Almost to the point that I wanted to say "see, the regulars are not the problem" (but that might be rude...)

Or alternative theory, some outside groups are trolling SO since the welcoming initiative

Journeyman Geek

@Somewhat You need some rep to flag

Somewhat

11:24 AM

OP can flag on their post though

Journeyman Geek

True

Well, that's new, and I figure its an experiment

And if someone's actively working on trolling SO, well

We don't have the full visibility of what's going on as mods, we need CM help.

Somewhat

Worst case: 4chan

Journeyman Geek

(also I might want to have a word with Yvette about her mispelling shog's name)

meh, there's probably worse places

Somewhat

Onion and dark web...

Journeyman Geek

ugh ;p

Somewhat

11:28 AM

Russian hackers...

Journeyman Geek

I was thinking more prosaic things

At best, folks on network who disagree.

At worst, folks who basically don't agree with the folks who've a few folks feel triggered this

The former, well, we can listen to, and talk to, and win over and work with

Somewhat

True...

Journeyman Geek

I mean, as a mod, while there's few "secret" channels - that's one major reason I'm on meta

Folks tell me things. I listen, and try to let the folks who run the network know.

In a sense that's what Yvette is doing (and many of her meta posts do, more so than mine I might add)

We get some of those comments votes that are bogus

but we don't have their volume

I don't think nor do I hope that there's organised rings of folks flagging stuff to give mods headaches or to "prove a point"

If there is, man, I hope there's popcorn when its found out, cause it will be a fine case of folks shooting themselves in the foot, and I want them gone - since they clearly care more about this than the site or the community :(

rene

12:02 PM

I left a comment on that post.

You can flag it now ...

Journeyman Geek

"excessively flowery language"

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Gosh9?

Journeyman Geek

shod

But looks like she noticed soooo lol

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Shod Shad

I did not read it yet but...

Increase of unjustified flags is 1000000% expected with the change of focus SE is going through.

rene

why did I get banned for 10 years? You misspelled my name ....

Magisch

12:15 PM

@Somewhat wonder if that'll have any effect

not like people who serially misflag things even know about meta or the flag summary

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

They almost plead new users to flag anything they don't like.

Tinkeringbell

@rene The email inviting me to mod IPS called me Tinkerbell :(

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Lol

You flagged the email?

ɪʙᴜɢ

Seems like Ask Patents allows tag creation with only 1 rep, and that's not in our FAQ.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard I passive agressively corrected it :P

ɪʙᴜɢ

12:17 PM

[status-bydesign]?

Tinkeringbell

Kind regards, tinkerINGbell

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Tin Caring Bell

Tinkeringbell

Not gonna happen :P

Gotta go, the boys are done trying out new clothes

Magisch

12:30 PM

@Tinkeringbell Better then "Bell who tinkers"!

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell are you sitting bored with a pile of bags outside? ;p

*were

(I don't actually know anyone who does that. My family tends to shop insanely efficiently)

Magisch

I shop rarely outside of groceries because I intensely dislike that it breaks my routine

But if I do, I make a full plan beforehand and walk out in the smallest amount of time with what I want to buy

rene

12:48 PM

@Tinkeringbell well, what can I say. I did make that connection as well, so ... ;)

sorry ...

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I go with my mom. We tend to get a lot of groceries every 2 weeks or so and...

and the place we get it from is a chaotic mess so... the efficiency means we are not going across the whole building again ;)

Tinkeringbell

1:13 PM

@JourneymanGeek Yep. I don't like sport stores

@rene it's supposed to be made. But it's not my nickname ;)

They had to wait while I was raising a LUSH though, so we're even

Journeyman Geek

1:29 PM

Raising or raiding?

Tinkeringbell

Oh...raiding :)

Sorry. I'm still sleepy...

Journeyman Geek

2:40 PM

@Tinkeringbell as long as it isn't razing a LUSH

@ɪʙᴜɢ ⛳

ɪʙᴜɢ

@JourneymanGeek Thanks. And the one above?

Journeyman Geek

The Skeptics ones? Already flagged

Alas I think using aibobot for that might be frowned upon

Tinkeringbell

@ɪʙᴜɢ Is gone but there are two more there on the same profile.

One looks like it's reported in here, the other not?

@JourneymanGeek why not? Glitters everywhere!

Journeyman Geek

2:57 PM

@Tinkeringbell its messy

Bathbombs everywhere. The burning remains of of a sponge over yonder. Cloven bottles of shampoo lying like dead fish after a red tide...

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek yeah, but with glitter. It might actually look and smell great

Journeyman Geek

Glitter. Glitter never changes

or is removed

you will find it years later

It is the nasty communicable disease of the craft supply world

John Dvorak

I feel like that description should have never been posted

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak the one with bath bombs?

John Dvorak

yes

Journeyman Geek

3:00 PM

Why?

John Dvorak

too graphic

Journeyman Geek

I'm confused - who would get upset by that? 0_0

Tinkeringbell

I feel it deserves a star just for that :)

Journeyman Geek

and why?

I actually picked the fish cause it seemed the least upsetting thing I could use

John Dvorak

Well... at least I didn't get suspended for an hour :P

Tinkeringbell

3:10 PM

@JohnDvorak Why would you get suspended, just for pulling someone's leg? :P

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak ... airight. Let me put it very bluntly.

We don't just go around handing suspensions willy nilly

You're almost certainly going to have folks trying very hard to let you know somethings not right

John Dvorak

sorry

Journeyman Geek

While I'm relatively new as a RO here, I've ROed a chatroom on this network for 5 years, only stopping cause I was a mod ;)

(on the other hand, if you somehow had your pet fish die to an algal bloom, and are suffering from trauma from it... I really would apologise, throw that post into the bin, and feel like a very very bad person)

And right, on that slightly dour note, good night folks!

John Dvorak

no, no history of pet deaths. It is, though, discouraging to see that mentioning you don't like something makes you see it for much longer.

user194636

3:25 PM

@Journeyman Is there a local policy here for when stars should be removed? On my own site's main chat room, stars are often removed when the message is considered to project a negative view of the room to newcomers. Also, when there is serious objection to a message. Of course, such messages are often simply trashed or deleted as well, which serves the purpose.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Sleep well :)

@PaulWhite I think TAS only removes them when they 'don't add anything to the sidebar'... e.g. stars made during discussions that got out of hand, stars made on messages calling people out

Everything else is sort of free bait

I think the programming/codegolf room may have some rules. I got the impression when I cleaned up some star spam there last time.

user194636

Oh I missed the "good night" message.

John Dvorak

Random thought of the day: would it benefit the site quality if -1s from downvotes didn't show up in the achievement list?

Tinkeringbell

Ehhh... no? because downvotes are what's supposed to tell people they made something crappy?

Wait... achievement list? What list?

John Dvorak

Your rep tally

Tinkeringbell

3:32 PM

I think it's important that downvotes are there :)

user194636

@JohnDvorak I think it works that way on Teams

Tinkeringbell

If there really was an 'achievement' for getting downvoted, I'd say that that may have been wrong

John Dvorak

I'd say that hiding the rep effect of downvoting would encourage more downvotes = good

Tinkeringbell

Hmmm. it might just confuse people

(I just realised you talked about downvotes given, not received)

John Dvorak

On the same note, I don't think the assoc bonus belongs there either.

user194636

3:38 PM

Oh! The achievements trophy thing in the top bar. Yeah hiding the -1s might be good.

Tinkeringbell

I still think that'd be confusing. You get or lose reputation, but not a notification with an explanation.

John Dvorak

This already happens with deleted users

or deleted posts

Tinkeringbell

Huh? I still get (-10, user removed) or whatever from time to time, and it does show up in the reputation tab

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Tinkeringbell kind of... there is a badge for deleting a -3 scored post.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Oh that one... I even have one of those.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

3:42 PM

Many users have but unlike other badges, not many try to get it on purpose... :)

John Dvorak

I once tried to orchestrate the +3 deletion one and instead got the -3 deletion one

Apparently people don't like "plz upvote, I'll delete anyways"

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha You really tried it like that?

John Dvorak

Not quite. I had a +2 before I got realized it's incorrect. One guy promised an upvote once I undelete, but then didn't follow through. I decided to install a warning on the answer saying it's wrong in the meantime, at which point people realized the answer is, in fact, wrong.

Tinkeringbell

That's actually quite nasty, promising an upvote and not giving it.

John Dvorak

He said he got caught by a phone call

Tinkeringbell

3:51 PM

Oh yeah... back in those days you could probably still get tangled in the wire...

user194636

It kinda makes sense for new ~~users~~ contributors, since it isn't at all obvious that downvoting a post costs you 1 rep. That said, once you know about that cost, the repeated -1s are just noise (and possibly discouraging).

John Dvorak

Hey, I still have a phone with a wired base

Tinkeringbell

Oh, we have one too. As a kids toy :P

John Dvorak

I still think it's the best garrotte ever. (Does that make me a hypocrite for disliking bathbombs?)

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Ehh... I've never tried to kill with a bathbomb before, so I assume telephone cords make better garrottes yes :P

John Dvorak

4:04 PM

user194636

Ryan seems very excited about his data export tool

John Dvorak

4:54 PM

> If you like to worry about things, you're living in a great time ~ Bill Nye

Mithrandir

6:04 PM

@PaulWhite I use it to track deletion.

Mithrandir

6:52 PM

→ 10 messages moved to Chimney

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

7:21 PM

@Tinkeringbell you have kids?? ;)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard No. I babysit sometimes. I'm not planning on ever trying to raise one properly

rene

8:13 PM

@PaulWhite we're very conservative to clear stars.

Somewhat

11:03 PM

Fell asleep too quick, woke up to quick...

rene

Okay, I'm going to take over sleeping then ... cya

Somewhat

cya :)

user194636

11:31 PM

@Mithrandir Yeah I guess.

user194636

@rene As a definite policy? The context, in case you missed it was chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7220918#7220918

user194636

FWIW and IMO: Avoiding chat moderation actions at the very lower end of the scale tends to increase the chances of future real drama.

Somewhat

looks like a light-hearted joke to me...

and a poetic one

user194636

Sure. And it'd still be a light-hearted joke if unstarred.

user194636

Anyway, it's just a discussion point.

Somewhat

11:36 PM

I guess it should refer back to room culture?

John Dvorak

Unstarring would be welcome, yes

user194636

I kinda assumed at the time, Tink would have unstarred but the time window for that expired.

John Dvorak

He only starred as a reaction to learning it wouldn't be appreciated

user194636

(I'm pretty sure Tinkeringbell is female just btw).

user194636

Whenever I see "room culture" mentioned I'm always reminded of discussions like:

user194636

11:39 PM

I don't know if this should be an answer, but one problem I see (and I know others see it, too) is the idea of "room culture". Some groups of users feel like they function well together and have agreed-upon standards established independently. This is defended as "room culture", and it can be a problem, like when new folks walk in and see (in some cases) things like profanity. When moderation goes against this "culture", they get equally up in arms - especially when the moderator isn't from the room's home site. That attitude is one big problem I see, and it's inherent in the system. — HDE 226868 Dec 10 '15 at 1:04

John Dvorak

It's a gender-agnostic "he" :P

user194636

Ha ha fair enough, wasn't sure if you knew or not.

John Dvorak

I didn't

user194636

Of course I might be wrong, and that would be really embarrassing for me.

user194636

It's so hard to avoid he/she in casual chat. I do try to say "they" or "the user" when I think about it, but that upsets some people too, and it feels a bit "try-hard" as well.

John Dvorak

11:41 PM

Of course if you are, they can ensure that your mistake stays visible for posterity :P

user194636

No doubt it will get 50 x ⭐

Somewhat

@PaulWhite well, "room culture" is the reason why I don't join other chat rooms, yes...

aside of "not interested in the topic"

user194636

Hopefully that will become less of an issue over time.

Somewhat

Like, Anime.SE's main ~~chat room~~ image board (link to the room info instead due to the possibility of potential NSFW images)

user194636

That's certainly caused some discussion.

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