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Journeyman Geek

1:53 AM

@TravisJ cause they haven't made scotch that long? ;p

@Undo hah, I could have told you that.

Somewhat

Morning,

Journeyman Geek

@canon might also make sense to ignore them if said by an ignored user

@Fabby ideally... practically that would keep many many managers awake at night

Journeyman Geek

2:37 AM

→ 2 messages moved to Chimney

bjb568

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard : D

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Missed two

Journeyman Geek

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oops

Doing it manually so... eh

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I wonder if Bert's doing the chimney sweeps again

Maybe he's out making chalk drawings on the pavement

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek I understand you didn't really like what I said, but was a 30-minute ban necessary?

A kick would have sufficed.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Yes.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Why specifically 30 minutes?

Journeyman Geek

shrug it was automatic.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Not per se. You flagged my message, fully knowing that as you have mod powers your flag would be immediately declared valid and I would be immediately suspended for 30 minutes.

Journeyman Geek

Yes.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:18 AM

So don't say that it's automatic.

Journeyman Geek

Shrug You're right. I should have made it longer.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Look, I'm sorry if you didn't like what I said.

My point was, you have a point, it's better that he takes that point and doesn't keep arguing about it.

Journeyman Geek

It wasn't helping. This isn't helping either.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:43 AM

@Catija Need a Meta mod to unfreeze this room.

Journeyman Geek

5:55 AM

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Stephen Rauch

@JourneymanGeek, After my experience yesterday, and the subsequent reading of the what goes on here. I find your patience aspirational. Many of us are somewhat aspy. Some more than others. But here you sit, with considerably more patience than I managed to gather in my short encounter, dealing with the facts on the ground. I aspire to be more like you. Thank for the leadership by example.

Journeyman Geek

gee thanks

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

7:04 AM

No doubt @Journeyman is the most patient person I know around here.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog but it was actual user which got suspended. In @UniKitty case, a bot account got the big hit, leaving the accounts of its creators (there was another one, Niko something) untouched.

(Nikko disappeared long before UniKitty)

eh, "only" 10 years, for some reason remembered it as more.

NBOT

1 1

Journeyman Geek

lol

10 years is the standard "dude, beat it" suspension

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

yeah, but... a bot, meant for chat. I never saw the bot doing anything unusual. So it really nags me to at least get some hint what happened.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard oooh.

Not sure about that

Mithrandir

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog To continue with the unsolicited pinging advice from yesterday...

The way this is phrased, it reads like a demand, not a request. That's not something that very many people take well to, especially when it's not just a single instance, but part of a larger pattern. Phrasing things in a less.... "entitled" way would be a good idea.

Journeyman Geek

For example

Magisch

7:13 AM

morning

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Agree. "@[name here], can you please unfreeze this old room that I created in the past so I can have a room again? Thanks!" is much better.

Journeyman Geek

"Hi! When you're free could you please unfreeze sonic's den ? I would like to use it again"

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

But unless @Catija herself directly says she does not want pings from Sonic, or me, or any pings at all, I don't really mind Sonic pinging her. IMO, each person should be able to say "I'm fine with other people pinging me".

But that specific message lacked both some basic courtesy and reasoning.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard heh, I really wish I didn't have to go "Hey, please stop pinging unless these conditions are met"

I mean in this specific case, I totally can get its needed.

The specific stuff we've asked him not to ping about and the general... well... need to is literally cause if we go "let each person say whether they want to opt out from pinging" well...

Its not worked well

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@bjb568 where are you these days?

Journeyman Geek

7:21 AM

I mean "Trust me" is the worst reasoning to let folks set rules but... Trust me on this.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I mentioned "opt in", e.g. if specific SE staff says they're fine with pings then let it be, but otherwise (pinging non opted-in staff) you're right and rules against it might be fine in the long range.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard ah, I can live with that

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Though better not have "9 rules of pinging" for each staff member, it will become way too complicated to remember or enforce. :/

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard well, what @Magisch and I suggested are pretty common sense.

And should probably help mitigate a lot of the issue we've been having.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Just "yes, I'm fine with pings from (optional list)" or "no, please do not ping me about non-urgent things" should suffice.

Journeyman Geek

7:25 AM

"explicitly requested"

I have you covered ;)

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

hehe thanks

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard as are ongoing conversations, cause I KNOW you hate it when I don't use replies

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

only when it becomes out of context due to having other messages posted before...

e.g.

Good, I can live with that too.

What message I refer to? ^

:)

rene

With the pinging of staff covered let's move to the next topic that needs our rules ...

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

At what hours are we allowed to eat ice cream?

rene

7:34 AM

WUT? Are we going to limit THAT!!! No way....

user351483

Catija can tell us. Let's ask her....

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

not allowed to ping unless she opts in. ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

There's pretty much no way to get rooms unfrozen other than to ping a moderator in chat. In fact, users regularly ping mods in The Assembly to get rooms on Chat.SE unfrozen.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard you're an adult.

Whenever you want.

Mithrandir

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Right... that's why I didn't say that it was a problem that you asked; the problem was the way you asked.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:38 AM

@Mithrandir The general rule, as pointed out on Meta, is to unfreeze rooms upon request unless the requests become frivolous (e.g. keep unfreezing but no messages, etc.)

Mithrandir

That's completely irrelevant to the point I was making.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I think he was trying to say "ask a little more politely please!"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I wanted to make it a little more clear that it was a legitimate reason for pinging a staff member, not just a "random" ping. It's possible that she might not bother to read the message and just think it's a frivolous ping, unless there's something eye-catching in it (e.g. "needs a Meta mod").

Travis J

Still with the pinging?

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog rule? I don't think so. Unfreezing a room, as I see it, is 100% a "bonus", something the mod doesn't have to do, but rather doing out of 100% good will. So asking nicely should be basic.

If someone wants to keep their room warm and not frozen, they should bother to post once in 14 days. It's really not hard.

Mithrandir

7:48 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog And I'm trying to say that that's beside the point.

Journeyman Geek

tbh, on main I toooootttallllllyyyy would unfreeze a room asked nicely

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Telling a mod "you should do [something here]" is not nice.

Journeyman Geek

this isn't main, lol.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@JourneymanGeek no doubt

Now plz go get a diamond here already! @Journeyman :P

rene

@TravisJ for the next 6 to 8 weeks, yes

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

7:49 AM

Weeks? You're optimistic.... :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard XD, people keep telling me that lol

Travis J

Travis J has changed the room topic to Pings on the Meta

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Give me a way by which I can be nice, yet still clearly express in the first few words that the matter requires a Meta mod, so that if she doesn't bother to read past the first few words she doesn't assume it's a frivolous ping.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog We've given a few examples

Travis J

@rene I see your ping

@rene and raise you 1

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

7:51 AM

37 mins ago, by Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Agree. "@[name here], can you please unfreeze this old room that I created in the past so I can have a room again? Thanks!" is much better.

Journeyman Geek

@TravisJ ALL IN!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

"when you're free could you please"... oh, great, another random ping

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

And if she "assume it's a frivolous ping", well, that's too bad, but changing tone to something not nice to avoid it isn't proper action, IMO.

Travis J

Can't you just wait until there is a mod in the room, and then politely ask them to unfreeze the room?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

"need a Meta mod"... for what? let me read on

oh, unfreezing a room. Simple, done.

user351483

7:53 AM

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Starred for ease of reference.

Journeyman Geek

Words have power. The "when you're free" respects the fact that they're taking that moment to do it for you. Please is MAGIC.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@TravisJ She was there at the time I made that ping.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Snow another star for rule! Soon we'll have Rule Wall.... :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard :(

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@JourneymanGeek nah, you can't program with "Please". You can with Magic! :D

Travis J

7:55 AM

Anyone here ever worked with PCI stuff?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@TravisJ Expansion cards?

Travis J

Payment Card Industry

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JNat Can you please unfreeze this room that I created in the past so I can have a room again?

JNat

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog You're linking to the tavern

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JNat This room, sorry: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/1176 (wrong room again)

JNat

8:04 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog missing a "meta" there?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JNat Not anymore

JNat

unfrozen

Journeyman Geek

Well, unfreezing the tavern would be a great idea...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JNat Strange...still shows as "frozen" despite a message from Feeds saying that it's unfrozen

Journeyman Geek

caching?

JNat

8:05 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog refresh it?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JNat Done. Thanks!

JNat

;)

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@TravisJ not really, but you reminded me to ask for PCI 6.6 Compliance Report. Thanks! :)

(generated by WAF provider, simple. ;))

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard who did you annoy? ;)

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@JourneymanGeek nobody, something I was asked for... eh... week ago. And forgot. lol

Travis J

8:07 AM

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Cool, no worries :) Make sure to say hi to the Bobs for me :P

Journeyman Geek

THE BOBS?

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@JNat my fault, he copied and pasted example I made, and I put Tavern in that example. ;)

But you see? It's working. @Sonic :)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard No control.

In a scientific study you need a control group.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@TravisJ Alice says "Hi!"

And offended you didn't say "Alices". She's sensitive. :D

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

There's no evidence to say that @JNat wouldn't have handled the request if I had instead said...

4 hours ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Need a Meta mod to unfreeze this room.

rene

8:10 AM

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard SE staff blindly follows link and clicks an available button. Tavern gets deleted

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog there's plenty of evidence people get annoyed at this.

And tbh, that's really the core problem we face.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@rene or your account get network wide nuke.... :P

rene

That has happened multiple times already

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

so you're rene9?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard meh, I'd just spend 6-8 years clawing back up to 100k so I can get another mug ;p

rene

8:12 AM

I have been deleted by a dba as well

Journeyman Geek

there's a dual 100k account user anyway

on the same site

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@rene ouch

Journeyman Geek

@rene ... you seem such a nice flower.

rene

I'm just a niche flower

Travis J

@JourneymanGeek Once you complete the 6-8 program you may optionally append a 9 to your username

Journeyman Geek

8:13 AM

@TravisJ lol.

I think there can only be one.

Travis J

Ergo, I agree.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

1 Geek to Rule Them All

Bartbot

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard actually I literally sat down the day I created a SU account typed in "geek", went "that's too common" and went "The ---- geek" and then figured I liked the sound of "Journeyman"

oops

wrong PC

Journeyman Geek

^^^^ what plastic dog said ;p

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Bartbot rofl!!

:P

user351483

8:24 AM

Henders

Eugh, hard to read that text :/

Journeyman Geek

@Snow he resembles that remark

Travis J

I read it. It says "Suck pup ET!!"

Doesn't make much sense though. Maybe you should choose a different meme.

Journeyman Geek

or better choices of colour

Somewhat

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard considering the last message here, I'd assume he's busy with school,,,

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

8:29 AM

@Somewhat the one with math request? Yeah...

plz-delete auto run meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315124/… @rene @Bart (the one who can delete) @JourneymanGeek @TravisJ

Journeyman Geek

done

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

needz 1 moar

Travis J

rawr

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

oh

That was fast lol

Travis J

:) got that uber micro

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

8:34 AM

@TravisJ Raw R? Isn't it cold for the poor "r" to be raw and alone? :P

Journeyman Geek

would you prefer a cook-r?

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Yeah, at least it's warm!

Travis J

I tend to use Raw R in notepad. RStudio is so 2018.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Journeyman Geek

oh look, it is JohnDvorak

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

8:37 AM

I think @JonEricson mentioned at some point that he's learning R, no? :)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard possibly

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yes! You have hawk eyes! :D

Journeyman Geek

dog nose. ;p

Travis J

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Yes, I saw that too. Somewhere?

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@TravisJ probably here in Tavern, or some comment.

Travis J

8:38 AM

For a second I thought the book cover was one of those meme generated covers

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

lol no. Actual book.

Travis J

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Honestly, I have no clue how much random meta I have read at SO/SE

Oh, sweet, power shut off. yay

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Google Books don't onebox here, so used a picture.

Travis J

Ooh, back on! Woohoo. Off! =/ The humanity

And back. I can't deal.

Journeyman Geek

@TravisJ too much ;p

Travis J

8:39 AM

UPS saves me so many headaches

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@TravisJ once we had it for like a full hour at work. After 10 minutes I just went for shopping, got back 40 minutes later to see it's still ongoing. Power off, back on for few seconds, off again.

Journeyman Geek

that would be 'fun' here.

Travis J

For an hour? Geez.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Miracle any computer survived... though we lost a non-important server when it started.

Travis J

I bet that is great for the A/C compressors

Journeyman Geek

8:42 AM

Ishta Devz sounds like some wierd pop star name

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Baba is classic spammer name.

Tinkeringbell

See... another reason to like my job. When the power goes out, I can either continue working or claim I can't work without <whatever> and go shopping like @Shadow. If the power goes out at my brothers job, he gets called in to fix stuff :P

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

lol

rene

DevOps ...

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell alas I would need to call my manager, and basically stay on the phone while they fixed it, then checking to see if stuff mainly worked.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

8:43 AM

Zoo without power means being near animals in darkness...

Travis J

If the power goes at out my current job, I get to manage dealing with whether or not to send 90 people home

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard That's not really the biggest problem ;) He works the aquaria, think of all the pumps, and filters... that start throwing errors.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard you work in a zoo?

Tinkeringbell

Stuff has to be rebooted fast, and in a certain order

@JourneymanGeek My brother does ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell and the fish may actually need the pumps and such to live

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

8:44 AM

@JourneymanGeek lol no, @Tinker's brother

Journeyman Geek

ah

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Yep... they have live corals too, so... pretty important.

Henders

Presumably they have some backup system?

Travis J

Zoo probably has something like an 50 MW generator though, or perhaps a set of 10 MW generators at least.

Tinkeringbell

@Henders A few emergency things, I guess. I don't remember all the details but there was a big power outage last year, and he got called in to help restart pumps, and then take care of the fish too

rene

8:48 AM

@Henders bikes. But you have to peddle really fast to generate enough power ...

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Hopefully the wild animals cell doors aren't powered by electricity, as it means they're all free to go out when power goes off. :D

Henders

@rene Surely you can just put all of the zebras on treadmills or something..?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Definitely not :D

Or at the very least they have a 'normal' lock and key system as well

rene

@Henders that would be animal abuse ...

Travis J

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Where's the goat?!

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

8:49 AM

@TravisJ on your head!

Henders

@rene Hmm, this is probably why I'm not in charge of power management at a zoo...

Tinkeringbell

@rene They have some pretty active rodents... I guess those will go voluntarily use those hamster wheels?

Journeyman Geek

electric eels!

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

Henders

@JourneymanGeek Bingo.

Tinkeringbell

8:49 AM

@JourneymanGeek That's it.

Travis J

lol uhm, wat?

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@TravisJ goat on head. :P

Well, kind of.

Somewhat

downgoat.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

and for those who wonder, that was Israel's Prime Minister, not so long ago. ;)

looks upgoaty to me

8:51 AM

Ugh, I love Jurassic Park.

Tinkeringbell

Dinosaurs!!!

Amadan

9:48 AM

Sigh... I don't wanna be nice sometimes. A question just said "I wrote a code..." I so wanted to say "I wrote an answer! It's an invisible answer, just like your code. If you show me yours, I'll show you mine!". Being nice sucks... :P

Tinkeringbell

@Amadan Hahaha. Everyone has those days. Smile at your monitor and your own joke, and help them out anyways ;)

Amadan

@Tinkeringbell Yeah... I sighed, closed the window, and went to seek a place to rant. :P

Tinkeringbell

I think refraining from that joke isn't so much being nicer as being a bit more professional ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Amadan downvote, vote to close.... ;p

you have so many ways to deal with these things

Or as I like to say, better to ~~set people on fire~~ light a candle, than to curse the dark.

Henders

10:11 AM

@Amadan I like to employ the 'long sigh' too. It seems pretty effective.

Somewhat

siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh

Henders

Yep, but when I try and do an italic long sigh it never works as well :p

Journeyman Geek

(that is a PRETTY terrible joke)

Henders

I can't roll my R's :(

Somewhat

don't say you neigh at bor's hood......

(this is a worse joke...)

Henders

10:15 AM

I don't get either o.o

Journeyman Geek

@Somewhat I disagree ;p

Its bad enough that I self deleted it soooooo

also pretty funny if you knew borr's great grandson was a horse

Henders

confusedly backs away

Journeyman Geek

Borr

Borr or Burr (Old Norse: 'son'; sometimes anglicized Bor, Bör or Bur) was the son of Búri, the husband of Bestla, the father of Odin, Vili and Vé, and the grandfather of Thor, Baldr, Víðarr and Váli in Norse mythology. == Attestation == Borr is mentioned in the fourth verse of the Völuspá, a poem contained in the Poetic Edda, and in the sixth chapter of the Gylfaginning, part of Snorri Sturluson's Prose Edda. === Völuspá === === Gylfaginning === Borr is not mentioned again in the Prose Edda. In skaldic and eddaic poetry Odin is occasionally referred to as Borr's son but no further in...

father of odin, grandfather of loki...

who erm...

is Slepnir's mom?

(and holy carp I am surprised I remembered that)

Fabby

11:35 AM

@JourneymanGeek That's why I don't sleep! ;-)

(I really try to make myself redundant so I can move on to something else...)

Journeyman Geek

;p

Pandya

2:12 PM

Wow! The Indian Languages proposal satisfied the criteria of minimum no. of followers required. Now it want some good example questions from followers and voting.

John Dvorak

Any chance it will lead to hindi.so?

Pandya

Can I post one post on Area51 discussion to encourage for voting and posting good example questions?

@JohnDvorak .so? You mean StackOveflow?

I am talking about:

60

Indian Languages

Proposed Q&A site for the learners and experts of popular Indian Languages.

Currently in definition.

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak not that likely IMO

John Dvorak

shame. It would have offloaded quite a bit of burden from main SO

Journeyman Geek

naw

they'd ask on both

besides most educated indians do probably speak something at least similar to but not entirely unlike english

Pandya

2:20 PM

I think only English is the appropriate language for programming. Though I have heard some talking about Sanskrit having more feature but I have not searched more on that.

Catija

Well, and my understanding is that Hindi wouldn't really encompass a huge volume of Indians, so it wouldn't be as useful as it might seem.

Tinkeringbell

@Pandya Cool! The sociology and anthropology one that I'm hoping for is going slow but steady and needs 11 more followers... And about 30 questions :/

Pandya

@Catija Hmm.. that was one reason I proposed Indian Languages rather than just for Hindi or even Sanskrit.

Catija

I think it makes sense, you'll just have to possibly deal with a lot of meta tags - meaning a tag to mark each language.

John Dvorak

Like the exact same thing that isn't a meta tag on SO?

Catija

2:35 PM

It really depends on how they're used. M&TV doesn't have a "movies" or "tv" tag...

Journeyman Geek

@Catija TBH more that most of us are really proud of our own languages - hindi is probably pretty close to universal outside the indian diaspora

and most indian folks you run into here are diaspora.

Pandya

Btw, Hindi is the official language of India.

Feeds

3:13 PM

Developer Salaries in 2018: Updating the Stack Overflow Salary Calculator

Julia Silge on September 05, 2018

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The methodology we used is similar to last year, but this year we’ve added support for eight new countries and refined which technologies contribute to our salary predictions. Our salary calculator is based on the comprehensive data from the Stack Overflow Developer Survey, and the unprecedented number of responses we had this year has allowed us to build a more accurate model that applies to more developers across the world. …

Fabby

@Pandya "The" or "an"? (I was under the impression English was, so there might be more than 1)

Please don't kill me for asking a dumb question!

Catija

Official language

An official language is a language given a special legal status in a particular country, state, or other jurisdiction. Typically a country's official language refers to the language used within government (judiciary, legislature, administration). Since "the means of expression of a people cannot be changed by any law", the term "official language" does not typically refer to the language used by a people or country, but by its government.About half the countries of the world have declared one or more official languages. The government of Italy officialised Italian only in 1999, and some nations...

Fabby

@Catija TYFGTFM (Thank you for googling that for me)

;-)

Testing whether we can still use LMGTFY in chat:

lmgtfy.com/?q=india+official+language

Bart

3:40 PM

@Fabby prepare to be murdered

Fabby

Putting head on chopping block ;-)

Feeds

I mean, if it's that easy to get a theorem named for you ... "a straight line that passes through the center of a coplanar circle always divides the circle into two equal halves." Can I have that one? Wait, can I auction off the naming rights? It can be the Red Bull Theorem or the Quicken Loans Theorem, depending who wants it more.

Tinkeringbell

4:17 PM

@Fabby There's way more fun ways of killing people. Ask Worldbuilding ;)

Fabby

:D I'm a chemist. I know of ways of killing you, you weren't even aware of...

;-)

Tinkeringbell

Ooh... like?

Fabby

blood poisoning, with your own blood!

Tinkeringbell

That's too easy. I'm not a chemist and I could do that too

Fabby

(also after the edit?)

Tinkeringbell

4:19 PM

I think I can do that to :P Just keep the blood out of the body long enough for it to start 'rotting'?

and then re-inject :P

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell How??? It coagulates...

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby Okay, introduce a pathogen to whatever blood you've taken out.

Also, I thought blood was usually kept under certain conditions, it must be possible to contaminate it with something by altering those...

Fabby

That would be biological, not chemical.

Tinkeringbell

Lace the blood with cyanide

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell You see? Not so easy...

:P ;-) :P

Tinkeringbell

4:22 PM

Hahaha ;) But I can come up with it given some effort :P

I'd google 'creative ways of...' but I don't want to alarm my CIA guy any further ;)

Fabby

:D :D :D

The correct English word is CIA handler...

Tinkeringbell

Sooo... change of topic? Before anyone finds out we've been planning a murder? :P

Fabby

Yeah, just like last time when someone dropped into the middle of a conversation involving the Feyenoord finger kid...

;-)

Tinkeringbell

You really shouldn't do that stuff... :P

I don't care much for soccer.

Fabby

I mean: Everyone in Europe knows that pic!

Tinkeringbell

4:26 PM

Nope.

And I don't want to know either ;)

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell Nor do I, but that pic was funny!

Tinkeringbell

Oooh.. I can do funny pics :) Lemme dig

Fabby

sleep

Tinkeringbell

@Tinkeringbell I always want to link that one :P

@Fabby All of the above :D

Fabby

Kernel memory leak

Intel Inside

Tinkeringbell

4:28 PM

This is going to be my next crafting project:

i.imgur.com/7USnJUL.jpg < that

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell Saved!!!

Tinkeringbell

As a mod, I like this one too: i.imgur.com/ZAXMbGD.png

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell I want a pillow or a hanky like that...

What's your price?

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby I don't sell stuff ;) I make stuff for fun, and to use myself ;)

Also, that one is so easy you could do it yourself :)

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell Yeah, my mum must have stuff lying around that would allow me to do it myself.

But still: if you're making one, you might as well make two and the scond one will pay for the first one.

@Tinkeringbell the best I've done was to use imagemagik to create patters for someone else to crochet stuff...

Tinkeringbell

4:35 PM

Hahaha I'll keep it in mind ;) I first have two crochet blankets to finish, a crochet turtle and a micro crochet teddy bear. I really should learn to finish a project XD

Fabby

(starting from a picture, reduce colour depth to 24, reduce resolution to whatever size she wanted, increase resolution to get the printer to print it off in 1:1 size)

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby I often just go with pen and paper... those that comes preprinted with squares.

Fabby

That's what she used to do when I saw her doing it...

I took the 3 other pics she didn't do yet, went up to her computer and came back 45 minutes later with all three pics done.

Now I get about an hour of work once/year of doing more.

Tinkeringbell

Takes out the fun... I like doing the drawing as well. It's fun, and a nice way to relax

Jon Ericson

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard I am! We have a regular meeting with Julia to play around with our data (an internal version of SEDE). She's great and I learn new things all the time. I even asked an SO question about R:

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Q: How might I get detailed database error messages from dplyr::tbl?

I'm using R to plot some data I pull out of a database (the Stack Exchange data dump, to be specific): dplyr::tbl(serverfault, dbplyr::sql(" select year(p.CreationDate) year, avg(p.AnswerCount*1.0) answers_per_question, sum(iif(ClosedDate is null, 0.0, 100.0))/count(*) ...