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1:50 AM
@Tinkeringbell for now... just watching silly videos on YouTube :)
due to my un-handicraft, it broke easily o_O, I guess I need powerglue or something...
and yeah, morning!?
 
2:15 AM
M.
 
M (German: M – Eine Stadt sucht einen Mörder — M – A City Searches for a Murderer) is a 1931 German horror drama-thriller film directed by Fritz Lang and starring Peter Lorre. The film was written by Lang and his wife, Thea von Harbou, and was the director's first sound film.The film revolves around the actions of a serial killer of children and the manhunt for him, conducted by both the police and the criminal underworld. Now considered a classic, the film was deemed by Fritz Lang to be his finest work. == Plot == A group of children are playing an elimination game in the courtyard of an apartment...
 
2:34 AM
Hello there, friends! I wanted to stop by and let @Undo know that our first cohorts of raters for comment classification are getting invited tomorrow, a batch of moderators and a batch of folks who responded to the survey at the end of Jay's blog post.
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Emails go out midday tomorrow! And we've made a GDPR/lawyer-compliant plan for data sharing when we get to the end.
 
@Catija I've watched that ;p
Just had a looooong night shift
 
It's worth watching.
 
2:50 AM
@JuliaSilge Great, thanks!
 
3:47 AM
Reviewing to leave this open. @PotatoLatte In general, whenever an older, fixed bug shows up again, it's OK (and usually preferred) to post a new bug report, rather than removing the status-completed tag on the older one. — Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog yesterday
@rene You used your Chaos Emerald on this question. It was subsequently reopened. Note that the advice in my comment above came straight from a team member.
 
4:54 AM
@AdamLear
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 30 mins ago, by gparyani
Closure won't help since the server doesn't prevent answers until four hours later.
 
5:26 AM
Shog is on Red tag rampage. :P
 
@Shog9 Noticed that my most recent spam flag was declined. Note that volunteers in Charcoal decided otherwise: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/131369
 
and there is active reading rampage.. what is the need of active reading edit for blatantly off-topic questions which will be deleted in 1 hour?
 
@NogShine Unfortunately, there's no way to reach that user - they seem to not respond to meta questions about them on other sites, and when I ping them in a comment, they never respond.
They use an automated tool for most of their edits.
 
6:04 AM
Hmm... did I mention that my office internet has been dying since 1 month ago? :(
 
6:40 AM
Aug 3 at 9:26, by Somewhat Memorable Name
Very unimportant remark: my office modem is broken and there's no internet since 3 days ago, relying on Mi-Fi instead...
2 weeks, not 1 month. ;)
@NogShine Red Shog
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog why pinging Adam about it? Anyway, when closed one has to manually submit via JS, it's not really simple so most people won't bother.
 
@ShadowWizard Spambots can submit via the API
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog spam bots using the API?? That's new and... weird.
Doesn't it require API key though?
 
@ShadowWizard They can get one easily
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog so just have SE add captcha there and it's solved. No?
 
@ShadowWizard API and captchas don't go well. The API is specifically there so that automated tools can use it.
 
6:44 AM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no, I mean to get API key.
 
@ShadowWizard Or, one could write a bot that submits via the regular answer form.
 
So only humans can get a key. Then also when a key is used to spam, it's easy to track the actual spammer and IP ban them.
 
@ShadowWizard They can hop IPs using a VPN
 
7:33 AM
23 messages moved to Chimney
 
@ShadowWizard it feels like 1 month worth of my mobile data :/
 
8:01 AM
@SomewhatMemorableName yeah... but... why the company isn't fixing it???
 
they have... been fighting working with the ISP to get it fixed...
 
8:17 AM
So... move to new ISP?
 
I wonder why too.
 
8:38 AM
Maybe they're all bad...
One good thing in Israel is we have decent ISP companies, big and stable.
So such things as you describe is really rare.
There is the occasional blip, sometimes even hours, but not several weeks... worst we had was half day when modem got borked, ISP sent a new modem and installed it.
So, which is the bad one used by your office? ;)
 
Indonesia? Huh, thought you're in Singapore. o_O
 
I was in Singapore, I am in Indonesia now :)
 
8:53 AM
Oh... when you moved??
 
Umm... since 2 years ago?
 
And why? Singapore appears to be much better place, no?
 
Family matters :/
 
(at least more advanced, technologically)
@SomewhatMemorableName oh... all is good now? You'll move back at some point?
 
@ShadowWizard all is good, but I'm working in Indo for the moment
 
8:55 AM
Fair enough... ;)
heh
 
Telecon with ISP: "The line is dead"..."Have you restarted your computer by turning it off and on again?"... "The line is dead, there is no carrier"..."Have you restarted your computer by turning it off and on again?"... "I've tried two modems, plugged into the main line with no extensions, there is no carrier, no signal at all!"..."Have you restarted your computer by turning it off and on again?".
 
@MartinJames classic
 
@ShadowWizard ikr, it's straight out of 'The IT Crowd', but it's happened to me twice:(
 
9:16 AM
But have you restarted your computer by turning it off and on again? Yank the cable if not ...
 
9:43 AM
You need to sing to the cable in order to make the data start flowing.
 
 
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11:04 AM
Hi, Is reviewing(flag/downvote when appropriate) Q/A of an user consider serial voting?
 
11:16 AM
@DragandDrop if you go over their profile, it is.
review in a tag / front-page/ search/ queue. Don't use a user-profile as a starting point.
 
11:29 AM
@rene I disagree. Nothing wrong checking a user who, for example, submitted a bad suggested edit, and going over the rest of their actions, and making proper actions based on that, e.g. reject more edits if they're bad, etc. /cc @Drag
 
@rene, pfff searching all question / answer from an user is easy. I guess I will just ignore the user. And stop the "Wtf did he still post this time?" by visiting his profile. But I feel like those vote were legitimate and not vendetta or hunt.
 
Bad content should be reviewed, no matter how you find it.
 
but what use is that if your votes get reversed the other day?
@DragandDrop if the user is a notorious bad content poster, maybe raise a mod flag and point out the pattern?
 
Well I feel like it's not a "mod" issue. I will just try to be less "overzealous". They will learn.
 
11:55 AM
@rene so maybe don't just dowvote, but anyway, there's no serial rejection detection. :)
@DragandDrop if you downvote a lot of that user's posts, make sure to vote (up or down) others too.
 
@ShadowWizard that is cheating ;)
 
@rene all in the name of keeping the sites clean! ;)
 
clean welcoming ....
 
12:14 PM
nah, in the name of welcoming old memes are now forbidden...
 
don't mention welcoming ...
 
Welcoming is always welcome
Wait, if we can't use the giant S in comments anymore, does it mean we can't use it in chat as well?
 
nope
it is a flagable offense now
Gets you banned 6 to 8 weeks
 
you mean Weeks.
hideS
 
12:29 PM
where iS Smokey
There was an accident in Kerala yesterday and channels are showing it's cctv footage.
It's clear that it happened because of the bus driver's fault
 
@OptimusPrime if you add stuff to a command not supporting it, the command won't execute.
 
@ShadowWizard Kenny is better
 
(i.e. blame has no arguments. ;))
Kenny is the Best!
But you didn't play with Kenny for long time... :(
 
But he can't smell spam
@ShadowWizard yeah. wasn't there for ~1 year
 
@OptimusPrime almost
in Shadow's Den, Jan 9 at 17:40, by Optimus Prime
!!pee
@OptimusPrime surely @rene can do something, e.g. integrate Smokey into @Kenny. :P
:(
 
12:36 PM
@ShadowWizard I believe he still pees and poos properly
Time to test for a bug on youtube. have to go. cya
 
@OptimusPrime of course, we all do!
 
You need to upvote all my posts there first so I can vote in the election ...
 
You're not allowed to ask for that, not even here...
 
downvoted all rene's posts... oh right, I don't even have privilege to downvote
 
@rene impossible since you don't have any post! :D
 
What, I phantom-downvoted rene's phantom posts!?
 
1:16 PM
Yup such a waste of good phantoms!
 
@JohnDvorak link?
 
Common sense.
 
Your Common Sense is suspended though.
so we shouldn't base any decisions on such a thing.... ;)
Is it allowed to ask for money, BTW?
 
Isn't height a JavaScript library though? You can find out by running npm install height much like you would do for left padding a string. (found here)
 
@ShadowWizard → Personal Finance & Money
or perhaps their meta site, if you want to ask about money(.SE)
 
 
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3:04 PM
@SomewhatMemorableName not about money, for money. Now give me $100000000000000!
:D
@rene rofl... obviously a non-JS developer. For a side viewer, it can appear that anything got some library in JS, so can't really blame... ;)
 
 
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4:47 PM
@TimPost in the q-ban algorithm it does count closed questions. With your revision 34 edit can I conclude that closed but not duplicate questions contribute to a q-ban? Or is this too much detail for anyone who stumbles on that FAQ and are you only trying to encourage posting?
I have a rough SEDE query for that: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/885476/… which is why I ask.
 
5:23 PM
@rene I envision that there may be a possibility that dupe closures don't count towards bans, given that they don't count towards migration rejection and that they don't make a question eligible for RemoveAbandonedClosed Roomba deletion.
 
yes, makes sense
 
6:13 PM
 
Today on this question I commented something along the lines of "what do you want to do, force them to ask their employer to let them verify an answer?", but apparently that is against the CoC. I cannot figure out why. Can someone here?
 
@Stijn Good question, upvoted, but where is your comment?
 
@Fabby it's been removed. I'm trying to figure out why.
 
([Ctrl][F]Stijn --> zilch
@Stijn Can you still see it as a "deleted comment" if yes, flag for moderator attention.
If not, flag for moderator attention and ask moderator...
 
Nope, only mods can see deleted comments. Was hoping for some insight here from others as to what would be wrong with that comment. I'm pretty sure it was flagged under the new CoC reasons.
 
6:22 PM
(Is what I would do, but I'm not a mod)
 
If that is verbatim, I don't see a reason for it to have been removed.
Maybe they misclicked.
 
Moderators are humans too!
(Except @Shog9: I think he's a badly programmed AI)
;-) >:-) ;-)
 
That't just like, your opinion, man
 
@TravisJ That moderators are humans?
 
That Shog is an AI
 
6:29 PM
No, that's a joke and why I pinged him.
 
Sigh
 
If I would say it behind his back it would be an opinion!
:D
 
It was a Big Lebowski reference
 
(Also: English is only my third or fourth language, depending on how you count, so ...)
Ah, I should really go and watch that one...
 
Ah, I see
What's your first language?
 
6:30 PM
Flemish
 
Cool :)
 
(One of the languages not on google translate)
Also: there are just 5.5M people on the planet who can speak it...
 
I am not sure which dialect my family speaks
 
@TravisJ Your family speaks Flemish?
 
Dutch, well on my mom's side
 
6:33 PM
@TravisJ Dutch is Google translateable (and my second language)
Orange = Sinaasappel (Dutch) Appelsien (Flemish)
 
Okay, so they are separate then? To be honest I had to google Flemish and perhaps didn't grok enough from first pass
 
1 één ien 2 twee twie 3 drie draai
@TravisJ The Flemish normally write in Dutch, but you can write in Flemish and then no one except another Fleming understands.
 
Interesting
 
Backspace = backspace = keerekeerwere
 
Sadly, I don't know any Dutch
 
6:36 PM
It's not worth learning Dutch it if you haven't grown up with it.
Flemish even less so.
 
My French teacher in high school was raised in Belgium and she learned Flemish first
 
Makes sense: Not many people know that Belgium is a trilingual country.
(But there's worse: Switzerland is quadilingual:
German, French, Italian and Swiss
 
@Fabby I didn't know Swiss is a language
 
10.000 or so? people still speak it...
lemme look that up as I could be confused with Gaelic.
The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, Italian and Romansh. All but Romansh maintain equal status as official languages at the national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation. In some situations, Latin is used, particularly as a single language to denote the country. In 2015, the population of Switzerland was 63.0% native speakers of German (59.5% speak Swiss German and/or 10.4% Standard German at home); 22.7% French (mostly Swiss French, but including some Arpitan dialects); 8.4% Italian (mostly Swiss Italian, but including Lombard dialects...
Ah! It's actually (nearly) the same word in English: Romansh (Romanish)
 
6:52 PM
Ah, so that's what that is
Sadly, transiting through these countries on the way to India is probably the closest I'll get to visiting them
 
61,815 Romansh native speakers.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog You're going to drive around the world???
;-) :-) ;-)
 
@Fabby That's low .. even Frisian and Mixtec have more native speakers...
 
@Fabby Fly. Generally between Los Angeles and Mumbai.
 
(Supposing you're originally from India: How many languages to you speak?)
@Tinkeringbell Yup. Languages disappear.
 
@Fabby I'm originally from the U.S., but I speak English, French (learned back in school), and Hindi (spoken in my home).
 
6:57 PM
@Tinkeringbell My brother's children can't speak decent Flemish any more.
 
minirant of the day: it's freaking ridiculous that I can't just import a .pem public key and use it in C#'s RSACryptoServiceProvider
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Ah.
 
@Fabby Yeah, I was never taught to speak dialect Dutch either... I can hear and understand it, but not properly speak it.
 
But you speak Frisian?
(one of the oldest EU languages)
(on par with Latin)
 
@Fabby nope, not either. I know just a few words, from reading the kameleon book series. Like heit ;)
 
7:00 PM
@Tinkeringbell You do understand Appelsien though
 
@Fabby Jazeker!
 
but Ien, twie draa, veer, voaf, zes zeuve, acht, nege tien
 
Do you recognize 'prakkiseren'?
 
Yup.
 
@Fabby that's similar enough to regular Dutch ;)
@Fabby Love the word... Can't find an English equivalent for it, thinking doesn't do it justice
 
7:01 PM
The funniest difference between Dutch and Flemish is a word that means "defecate" in Dutch means "screw" in Flemish...
 
@Fabby poepen, right?
 
@Tinkeringbell "Running scenarios through your head" comes closest
@Tinkeringbell Yup.
standard Flemish answer: "All by yourself?"
if answered "Yes"
standard answer: we call that "SomeOtherWord" which is again common.
(not writing it because it's really close to the English word)
 
@Fabby Standard Dutch answer if someone announced going to the toilet: good luck, you can do this, right?
 
:D :D :D
I like "Ik heb de R.K."
 
Race kak?
I don't know that abbreviation XD
I guess the most annoying thing about Flemish is the soft g. I always manage to subconsciously mimic it and get stuck with it for a few weeks :(
 
7:07 PM
@Tinkeringbell Yup.
@Tinkeringbell Remember Adam Curry?
(or are you too young?)
When he gets back to The Netherlands, his throat hurts after a week
 
@Fabby Wasn't he married to that lady that had a sexvideo leak... Paay or something? Really fake and plastic surgery woman?
 
@Tinkeringbell Yup. That guy.
 
@Fabby Then I remember Curry :P
 
It's easier on the throat speaking with a soft G.
 
I must admit I'm not good at celebrities unless they do something and manage to stick in the mainstream media long enough to become annoying
 
7:09 PM
I can fool a Dutchman in thinking I'm Dutch for about an hour and then I make some silly mistake somewhere...
 
@Fabby Hahaha you can't fool us! Say 'Scheveningen' :P
 
@Tinkeringbell I can!
The Germans can't...
 
@Fabby For over an hour? :p
@Fabby True ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell Yup. Does it Help I lived in the Netherlands?
:-)
 
@Fabby Probably. I lived near Leiden for a while and am still stuck with what weird 'r' from time to time
 
7:11 PM
I've lived in France for 3 years, Netherlands for less than a year, Germany 2 years + now, Russia 4.5 years.
 
Accents are easy to pick up
 
@Fabby I only remember Van Inkel ...
 
@rene :D Same generation!
 
@Tinkeringbell Yeah, I'm quite skilled at both the Indian and American (Southern Californian) accents of English, and picked up quite a bit from watching Techmoan (a British YouTuber)
 
7:12 PM
@JourneymanGeek Waking up or going to sleep?
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I can do mean Dutch, German, French, Russian, African, Italian accents in English.
 
@Fabby night shift ;p
 
aka Graveyard shift?
 
I can do Dutch, English, and I can read French and German
 
I can't read and write Hindi, only speak
 
7:14 PM
I can get into trouble in 10 languages, but I can only get out of trouble in 5
 
I tried Mixtec for a while, but dropped the course after I chose not to go on the field trip after all
 
@Tinkeringbell What's that?
 
@Tinkeringbell How's that?
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Original Mexican (Mayan?) language
 
@Undo use BouncyCastle: bouncycastle.org/csharp/index.html specially if you need something that is compatible with Java crypto stuff
 
@Fabby I don't have much of a relationship with Mexico even though I live very close to the busiest U.S.-Mexico border
 
7:16 PM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog So you're basically like a 6-year-old with better swearing capability when in India...
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog a pre colonial native meso American language : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixtec_language
 
:D :D :D
 
@Fabby Money. I chose a new laptop over the trip ;)
 
:D
I meant: the language... Is it weird?
 
@Fabby Devanagari script confuses me.
 
7:17 PM
I've never been to India.
If I get a month off, I'm going.
August was refused by the boss, now going to try for October on next meeting.
 
south or north? ;p
 
@Fabby Ohh.. I studied archeology, and yeah the language is weird. It has glottal stops and it's tone/pitch dependant
 
@JourneymanGeek I'll have to fly into Bengaluru or a ton of people are going to be dissappointed...
 
ah south
 
@Tinkeringbell Urgh...
@JourneymanGeek Sorry!
 
7:19 PM
naw, I'm a southerner ;p
 
Nepal will have to be done some other time: I'll have to get my Nepalese colleague into Schengen first.
Then he'll take me to Nepal.
@JourneymanGeek I'd have thought (purely from your looks) that you originated from a much cooler (Northern) climate...
>:-) >:-) >:-)
 
There you go: it's not because you're hairy that you're from a cold climate...
What' SG like though?
Tropical?
found the answer sorry for asking
 
@rene Enterprise setting; pulling in a whole library for one thing is overkill.
 
OK, that is maybe a bit too much indeed
I wanted to prevent you spend 2 days on figuring out obscure failures, like I did
 
7:35 PM
@Undo copy-paste the function and its dependencies? It's an MIT License...
(Beats re-inventing the wheel...)
 
@Fabby as tropical as it gets ;p
 
@rene this doesn't sound encouraging :/
 
Yeah, the .Net crypto support relies on what is in the OS and that is not tuned to be interoperable
works great if you're all on windows.
 
8:01 PM
@rene I thought the managed providers didn't, but they weren't necessarily as secure
 
That fun moment when you say that a webpage is a superfund site for UI/UX
 
8:21 PM
@Mgetz true.
 
 
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11:29 PM
How did Jeff put a historical lock on Six simple tips to get Stack Overflow reputation fast in June 2017?
He left in 2012 and the Meta split was years later, so he shouldn't have had a diamond
 
@AndrewMyers He retained "honorary moderator for life" status, as one of the co-founders of Stack Exchange.
He had his mod privileges revoked much later for purely procedural reasons, but he is free to request them back if he so chooses
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I guess that makes sense. I was wondering if he had knowledge of a secret API backdoor or something...
 

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