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12:12 AM
We're now rebooting one of our primary network switches. Any interruption is expected to be minimal.
12:28 AM
Morning. Looks like something broken at work
Did you find someone to yell at?
Naw. Previous shift is dealing with it
I'm trying to whatsapp information over a slow mobile linecause clearly I was a terrible person in a past life
Have i mentioned I hate WhatsApp?
I believe so... It's good for some things.
Hmm. I said I wasn't planning on staying up super late and somehow it's a quarter to four in the morning. Funny how that happens.
12:56 AM
@JourneymanGeek Did you watch Spolsky's video?
1:13 AM
No time :(
I'll ask for the link sat
SO tweeted it.
1:24 AM
I see it
Cool. Is there a way to save tweets without just retweeting them?
Oh, you can message it to yourself... that seems like a good option.
Would liking it work?
post it in chat. Then you have it even if it's later deleted.
1:45 AM
It's been posted in chat already.
I posted a link to it in the TL yesterday.
Are pins expiring after a week now for some reason?
2:03 AM
Euh, morning
2:36 AM
That bad?
Ahh. The joys of SEPness
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6:04 AM
6:20 AM
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@Catija not that I know off. Example? We are just not pin heavy ... and we miss @bart ..
6:40 AM
@SmokeDetector f
7:03 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: 18.04 ITE 8910 touchpad on Asus Strix GL703GE not working by Marc Landolt on askubuntu.com
i notice this site crawling content from Stack Exchange without citing the source. Where to report it? tutel.me/c/english/questions/434516/register.html#
I find it highly confusing if you mark my flag as helpful but don't do what I ask for. I can handle a declined flag if you find it meh, don't worry about my feelings.
7:24 AM
@rene Moderators tend to mark flags raised in good faith but invalid for reasons the user couldn't have known as helpful regardless
Since a declined flag is essentially a small black mark against your account
This was on MSE @Magisch I have different expectations
The same principle would apply to MSE, wouldn't it?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad ns for domain in answer: Crawling for Phishing Websites by apextm Technical Multi-support on security.SE
Now I'm almost forced to include flag handling instructions for SE staff. Anyway, it is as it is. Let's move on. I'm not that obsessed about it.
As a mod I would have declined the flag in this case then. That is probably where my thinking is off.
Now let's really move on
7:32 AM
@rene brews a cup of Americano for @rene
I take that
@rene You could run in the next SO election and handle flags the way you want to...
7:44 AM
Just decline all of them and then watch MSO for 6 to 8 days ....
8:28 AM
Whew, so many chat messages ... AND WORKLOAD!
At last finished catching up last night's convo...
@SomewhatMemorableName Time to start another one!
8:57 AM
I've made an edit here because I considered it to be at least NSFW, but is it even more then that? As in, red flagable?
I remember a @codinghorror post about how storing stuff in webserver sessions is a bad idea, but I can't find it. Does anyone remember?
@rene My delicate sensibilities would say that making jokes at the expense of someone asking is kinda rude? And I'm pretty sure this is a joke?
@rene Let's see. Even if the picture wasn't plainly uncouth, do you really need a mocking answer that suggest that the OP should "put a bag on his head" if he doesn't want to see the list?
9:08 AM
Putting bdsm imagery in a MSE post should probably not be done
Makes even less sense since this is a joke post to boot
Nope, the one I'm looking for was after a few months of Stack Overflow, when they stopped using sessions
so, "This is becoming a waste of my time and you won’t listen to my advice. What are the supposed benefits of making it so much more complex?” is ultra unwelcoming, telling someone to put a bag on his head (only.... worse) so he wont't see isn't?
seems quite evident it HAS to go to the trash can.
hmm. blah cannot google by time :(
can't vote to delete but I downvoted it
not sure it merits a r/a flag
I'm kinda torn on it
its... noise?
9:13 AM
@Magisch flagged, custom moderator flag.
good luck waiting on that
I think some of them have taken a year to resolve in the past
Done my part. Not much I can do if there is no one on the other side of the help-line
I don't want to be told to put a bag over my head. I'm quite capable of deciding when to put on my bag without assistance. I usually wear the bag from Saturday lunchtime until Monday morning. It's uncomfortable in the hot weather, but it stops me getting suspended.
@MartinJames .... that's the quietest time on MSE typically ;p
9:16 AM
I could also probably vote to delete so to help community handled removal, but the poster does deserve an additional mod warning imho.
Y'know... the easiest way is to remove the BDSM reference. Yeah, 'censoring', whatever...
Do you have 20k on meta?
@SomewhatMemorableName But... then there wouldn't be an answer left? :P I thought you only edited stuff that was salvageable?
@JourneymanGeek Yeah - I should dump the bag and, instead, close all SO tabs.
@SomewhatMemorableName you "censor" it, he gets no downside. Next time, he will do that again. You need to remove that AND have someone tell him that the thing won't be tolerated again.
And "censoring".... the answer is just rude in the first place. The "boys be boys" attitude (look! I am grown up! I post adult stuff and adult jokes) is only the frosting of the problem.
9:20 AM
@Derpy more that if we delete it, its gone, and he loses the downvotes. If we don't its still there
@JourneymanGeek that's why having your posts deleted as r/a costs a 100 rep?
hm, I guess that works
Wasn't there just a big thing in the new CoC about how off topic sexual content (especially directed at another user, which this is, it's directed at the OP) is not ok?
also commented letting the user know its not ok
@Magisch I guess?
Sexual stuff not being allowed is already in the existing Be Nice.
9:23 AM
I think it gets a common sense "ewww"
an I think that's pretty NSFW anyway
I think it gets a common sense why the hell would you think anybody would want to have that image pop up at work
I agree it's a tasteless joke that went south pole with the explicit BDSM reference
The OP asked for a way to hide the HQ list.
With nothing really redeeming about it.
@Derpy if it was, IDK, a post it covering the HQ... would it be better?
9:25 AM
Joke answer in and of itself would be NAA but not red flag worthy
Joke answer with explicit sexual imagery (this is) is what I'm on the fence about
@Tinkeringbell I agree on that
actually screw it I'm just gonna flag as r/a maybe it'll get declined idc. This is too much discussion about a really flat joke
I could help flagging it as R/A...
I did that already ;)
@Magisch I usually go 'does this deserve 50 downvotes?' if it does, I flag :P
And yeah, I flagged 10 minutes ago ;)
I find it rude, if 5 other people do as well, that's a sign there's at least something wrong enough...
9:28 AM
@Tinkeringbell lol, for some reason I remember the R/A and spam flags work the same way, and forgot about the -100
So... total of 4 flags as of now, I think?
The reply basically said "wear a pair of black glasses so you don't see it". This alone is rude and not very "welcoming" (since that word comes up a lot lately). The fact the joke didn't just say "black glasses/paper bag) but had to add an "adult" reference (again, "look at me I can link adult stuff" attitude) only adds to the existing issue.
and gone.
and I (we?) hope the OP got their lesson.
I'm really lukewarm on joke-naa answers in the first place
It's not yet Friday in Iceland.
9:31 AM
@Magisch heh I do recall early meta was full of those tho
joke-naa answers that is
even we have that Spam Overflow question...
or SE haiku...
@Magisch As much as I like a good joke from time to time... I've noticed that it's a lot easier to appreciate a joke over the internet if you're not on the receiving end of it.
If you are, you get doubts, are they just joking? Is this good-natured? Or are they trying to belittle me? Is this laughing with me, or about me?
SE is not the place to be making jokes about people asking questions anyways
@Magisch Isn't it? :P
as I already said multiple times there is that subtle difference in laughing with someone and laughing at someone. This "joke" was of the second type.
9:35 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened url in answer: Simulation of IoT based systems in Software by AAA on arduino.SE
@Tinkeringbell also its ok to inject humour into a post - especially to defuse, but if your whole post is a joke...
I like to reference to this fun MSE post (NSFW?) though :)
things have changed a lot over the last ... maan
I kinda suspect for some of us, one of the big causes of... well cognitive dissonance with how things are now is, we still have a mental image of SE as
@SmokeDetector k the username "AAA" is the full name of the blog's author. Or scrap that, might salvage the post and help the OP.
9:39 AM
when its a farm full of badly trained
When the f***ing post was posted I think the CM team was... Jeff, and maybe 2 other people, the dev team was Jeff... and maybe 2 other people...
@JourneymanGeek Oooh. I actually know a badly trained one-of-those in real life.
Manages to scare the crap out of me every time.
the ones I've seen are dears
but yes, they probably could pull you along
This one barks. And actually did bite my umbrella once.
Has a history of abuse, I believe, but still. I don't feel safe when I see the owners are walking him
No such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners
ya, the history of abuse would do that
and I'm sorry about that
@JourneymanGeek I'm... sorry about that too, but I somehow still feel a dog acting like that shouldn't be walked... not even only at 5:30AM or after midnight or something...
9:46 AM
@Tinkeringbell which would make things worse for the dog
First time I encountered the owners, the dog bit my umbrella and they were surprised that there was someone walking to the station at that time: 'Oh, we can usually walk him at this time, there's no-one around' :/
and the only alternative is putting it down
That's... kinda not fair to the dog; the dog needs walking. Not giving the dog what it needs is liable to make things worse.
and you can eventually help dogs like that
Just takes time
@Mithrandir The people live along the road to the station, those houses have pretty big yards.
9:47 AM
@Tinkeringbell dogs need a lot of walking
So it's not like the dog would lack excercise if it remained properly locked in the yard.
my small mutt takes between an hour or two
@Tinkeringbell Maybe the dog though you were about to assassinate it?
and walking outside gives them a chance to get used to people
ash isn't a small mutt :(
9:48 AM
@Magisch he is small. And totally a mutt <3
(cause mutts are the best dogs. ;p)
I'm not especially a dog person (my other is deathly allergic, so I try not to get near them often, and my father has dog phobia), but... dogs do have needs, such as a real walk/run.
(also rather fat)
Just... if this one ever manages to do so much as make a dent in me, I'm seriously considering filing something official... It's not against the dog, but it's also the owner's job to make sure they can control the dog
@Tinkeringbell ya, that's fine and within your rights
I cannot walk Bailey any distance ATM. It's too hot. Just going round the field behind us is too much, even with a drink from the cattle-trough at the far hedge.
9:51 AM
Of course, here everyone lets their dogs just run loose and they form packs. A couple kids have been bitten. :/ Owners just don't know how to take care of a dog safely.
I got bit by a dog once
In the dog's defense I reacted poorly to being greeted enthusiastically
I've never been bitten by a dog. My dad's been at least twice
But I'm really good with them and the owners and respect their space even when they're totally adorable
Actually lies
I got bitten by a dog once. ;p
We do have a problem with Bailey and smaller children. He will knock them over, given half a chance, in his enthusiasm for play. Yeah - he doesn't understand, but we have to restrain him:(
(Ash used to grab people's feet ;p)
@MartinJames What breed is bailey?
9:53 AM
@MartinJames heh, that's common with bigger puppies ;p
grab with his mouth?
they don't realise their size
@Magisch and needle sharp baby teeth
I'm usually pretty good with other people's dogs... just not this one :P
@Magisch Labradoodle, (mostly lab).
@JourneymanGeek Baby ash sounds adorable :D
9:54 AM
@Magisch he was... funny looking ;p
@JourneymanGeek lol
@JourneymanGeek Awesome grin:)
I think this was about at 4 months?
also super skinny ;p
Journeyman needs some scooby snacks
10:37 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: Your first guess is wrong by John on puzzling.SE
see "show 15 more comments" on the question, tempted to flag...
Puzzling's a bit more lax on the comments
I guess so... even with the messy rot13 comment threads...
Q: Automated ROT13 spoiler comments

AlconjaAbout Spoilers get used pretty heavily on Puzzling.SE, and people have taken to using rot13 in comments (and chat) since there's no official spoiler mark-up outside of questions/answers. That's annoying, but this script will make your life easier. Features Add rot13 spoilers to comments W...

Actually, this is my concern ;)
Q: Using ROT13 in comments

JonMark PerryI didn't used to mind the odd ROT13 comment, but this: Code Movie Wall (in answers - Community Wiki) is getting ridiculous. Can't these discussions be held in chat? Or just dealt with professionally somehow? whfg zl gjbcrapr

10:51 AM
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11:03 AM
git hate intensifies
new command: git hate?
11:24 AM
git blame git
I think that the fact that a question as simple "We have a bug in our app, we need to check if the same bug is found in the code we had a week ago" can generate 5 different, contradicting answers on SO should tell enough
Clone the repo and do a checkout for the specific commit! No, don't do that, create an anonymous branch and then merge the specific commit on it! No, they are both crazy, you need to detach the head, do the hokey-pokey, insert the Konami code and then use git sellYourSoul!
Time the same thing would have required if we hadn't moved the repo to git just "because everyone uses it and they can't all be wrong" and kept the old TFS based one: 5 seconds?
Because... you know, you chose based on trends, not real benefits for your specific use case.
And whatever you do, don't dare to ever consider the possibility that switching to git would probably require git usage courses for your devs.
Yep, I am a little "angry" now.
11:49 AM
@Mithrandir huh?
@ShadowWizard rot13'd
@Derpy I would think that checking out the specific commit would be the only sensible thing to do ....
12:11 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: What is the maximum power consumption of the Arduino Nano 3.0? by Nomi on arduino.SE
@rene Get specific version
@Derpy Huh? Why'd you get a training course if the necessary commands are on SO? :P
Did you manage to figure it out already? Or is it still broken...
12:28 PM
@Tinkeringbell simple: because no one want to "yep, you can try this command you found on stack but will be considered responsible of any damage it may cause"
@Derpy Are you afraid you'll do damage?
I use stuff from stack all the time I just make sure I understand it before using it
that is an option when you are doing "simple" stuff like this.
I wouldn't take module level complexity code 1:1 from stack
I dont trust anyone on stack that much
Now switch your needs to "I need to cherrypick this changes, push them to the other branch, commit some code, merge only some files to the original etc"
12:41 PM
@Derpy First step would be to make a fully copy of the entire repo setup and try on that
oh, yes, I know, but you will probably agree that adding the complication of switching your team to arbitrary-differe-source-control-model on a project that was late-on-schedule even before starting it.... all when your team doesn't know the new source control framework.... isn't exactly desirable.
Especially if the only reason to do so you provide is "all the world uses git"
@Derpy "ways to shoot your project progress in the foot: 101"
@Derpy Not true. I'm still stuck on subversion for the next two weeks :P
@Tinkeringbell do you remind that old Dilbert strip about databases?
@Derpy we dont use git here. We use SVN
I like svn
12:47 PM
didn't dilbert onebox once?
oh, well, you can see it here
@Derpy Yep, I know that one ;) I once read all the way from the first to last Dilbert strip on my commutes ;)
> dilbert.com refused to connect.
wasn't the dilbert guy in the crossfire for his political views some time back?
@Magisch yes, he was openly supporting Trump
I was trying not to mention specific politics, yes.
1:05 PM
I guess I finished reading before that :P
Ahh... the joy of Git... I lost count cloning repos from scratch...
1:26 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: How to reduce weight-caused man boobs (psuedogynaecomastia)? by Zuch on health.SE
@rene Yeah, turned out it was manually unpinned. (Not here)
@Catija Have you pinned down the culprit?
Can a pun be pinned to a pen?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: How do I find the transaction ID of what I just transacted? by Abhishek Bhardwaj on bitcoin.SE
@Mgetz heh, Jason was ranting about it over a year ago.
(how people shove away others only because they support Trump)
Feb 10 '17 at 4:16, by Jason C
And if I'm sitting down in the break room and 6 people are talking about how much they hate Trump or whatever, what do I do? Do I participate and disagree? Or do I cut myself out of the conversation and sit there in silence, not getting to chit-chat with coworkers during a break? Or do I go somewhere else? That's the tension I'd want to avoid.
Poor Jason...
@Tinkeringbell no pin, no pen. :P
oh, there is pun.
@ShadowWizard You could technically pin that to a chicken pen :)
@Tinkeringbell we don't make pens out of chickens here! :P
though pen made of meat would be.... interesting idea.... :D
@ShadowWizard You could just eat the meat, and use the feathers? :P
@ShadowWizard Maybe that really dried meat. So you can nibble on your pen!
@Tinkeringbell ewwww
@Tinkeringbell yummy!
1:38 PM
You don't like chicken meat?
@ShadowWizard Really bad invention. I would overeat every day!
@Tinkeringbell I don't like feathers in the meat.... ;)
@ShadowWizard That seems workable! :D
@Magisch :/ har har. No. I don't think that's possible without asking staff.
@ShadowWizard But... that's the tastiest part? :P I meant slaughter the chicken properly first of course..
750 out of 2500! yay!
1:41 PM
@ShadowWizard Huh?!
@Tinkeringbell feathers?? turning away slowly
@Tinkeringbell import
when done I can finally start working on fixing the bugs....
@ShadowWizard Slow import? :)
about 2-3 per second
1:44 PM
I'm happy I'm not you :P
I'd actually miss the end of the workday if I had to wait on that! :D
oh wait, that's only the display refresh rate... actual import might be faster.
1200 now
@Catija Didn't enjoy my pun? The flat and really bad ones are my speciality
1:59 PM
Just curious, how many users use userscripts? Does anyone know?
Lets just count
Do you want a show of hands?
Not sure what 2 means here ...
@rene so script injection via various malicious means is getting more common, and I was curious before I suggested getting more serious about CSP to block it
2 hands! :D
The next person will have a problem :P
@Mgetz Lots. Lots and lots.
I have like 30 myself.
2:03 PM
@Tinkeringbell -1
> העלאת נתונים הסתיימה
@Mgetz I run mainly scripts I wrote myself or where I have access to the source code, which I checked before running
@ShadowWizard I'm sorry. It looks very pretty but I can't parse it! :)
(And google isn't any help either) :P
> Uploading data has ended
@Tinkeringbell FOX can do it!
in Shadow's Den, 7 mins ago, by FOX 9000
@ShadowWizard [Powered by Yandex Translate] > Upload data is over.
Translation Bot
Odd, Google worked fine for me.
2:13 PM
@Catija maybe @Tinker tried to search...
My Search terms were: translate העלאת נתונים הסתיימה
@ShadowWizard Yeah, I usually do that :P I should've copy pasted into translate maybe
@Catija Mine too :( Select text, right click, search google for and then add translate to the search terms..
Hmmmm... dunno
@ShadowWizard Hmmm.. I might take a looky at that later :)
@Tinkeringbell anyone is welcome any time in the Den... just watch the pings.... :P
2:19 PM
I'll ping everyone! :D
(It's a habit I need to break anyway)
@Tinkeringbell pro tip: do not get into ping war with @PrincessLuna - you can't win. :D
She is... unstopable... when it comes to ping fight. :D
@ShadowWizard Challenge accepted. Never tell me to not do something!
I've never had a ping fight. What are the rules?
@Tinkeringbell ping
@Tinkeringbell ping some more
2:22 PM
@ShadowWizard pong?
Hahaha okay. That does sound annoying XD
@Tinkeringbell Don't you like the ping sound how it sounds so nice heh

Small taste of a ping war

Dec 21 '17 at 9:00, 17 minutes total – 57 messages, 4 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 6 secs ago by Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell ^
@Mag I don't mind the ping sound here. I barely notice it (since it's turned off :D)
@Shad I'll add it to the reading list :)
2:25 PM
FYI... poor @Tobias was never seen again... :D
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this one warbles
I hate the one in main chat
@JourneymanGeek I do too :)
This one is like a nice little bleep... main chat is like 'KABLOING!'
2:34 PM
To each his own, but the ping sound here is like glass screech for me, and I already have an over-sensitive ear condition..
in Shadow's Den, 22 secs ago, by FOX 9000
@ShadowWizard [Powered by Yandex Translate] வணக்கம் உலக
Is it correct?
@ShadowWizard how should I read that O_O
@SomewhatMemorableName oh... thought you know Tamil... so what language(s) you know except from English?
Hindi != Indonesian :/
(though it might be close on the drop down list)
@ShadowWizard That bot speaks several languages? Does it know Dutch? :)
2:36 PM
in Shadow's Den, 10 secs ago, by FOX 9000
@ShadowWizard [Powered by Yandex Translate] नमस्ते विश्व
@SomewhatMemorableName Hindi for you ^
Nice :)
@ShadowWizard Dat betekent dat ik dan nu dus gewoon Nederlands tegen je kan praten? :P
Tell @ProgramFOX, he made the bot... think he might even be paying for using the API, not sure though.
@ShadowWizard errr... not Hindi either... I speak Indonesian, a little bit Japanese, and Java.
@SomewhatMemorableName whoops
@ShadowWizard no
2:38 PM
(who starred that... was that a misclick...?)
@JourneymanGeek :(
@ShadowWizard It's Tinkeringbell's fault.
Blame the Dutch ...
2:39 PM
The world is used in the sense of 'of the world' like world trade center or world bank
@Tinkeringbell easy!
in Shadow's Den, 17 secs ago, by FOX 9000
@ShadowWizard [Powered by Yandex Translate] @ShadowWizard That means that I now simply English you can talk to? :P
@ShadowWizard Ugh... that's horribly garbled! :P
But makes @Some sense at least..... :D
Looks fine to me
"Yandex" makes me think of "Yondu" from Guardians of the Galaxy.
2:40 PM
@rene There's whole books full of those nice translations. Wasn't Dick Advocaat known for making such wonderful statements in English? :P
Oh, not Yonex...
@Tinkeringbell I think also Louis van Gaal?
@Tinkeringbell ... someone on American late night TV was making jokes about his name meaning... something funny.
@Tinkeringbell so when you're ready, come to Den, ping @PrincessLuna and brace yourself. :D
2:42 PM
உலகம் is more correct in context
@rene A bondscoach at least... don't expect me to know enought about sports to say which one :P
@Catija The last name translates to 'lawyer' :P
Yeah, I know. :P
@Tinkeringbell they both were so you're on track
@ShadowWizard I might. I'm going to pack up the laptop and go home first. Wish me luck, so I don't have a three hour long commute like this morning? :D
@Tinkeringbell car or train?
@rene train... But I also have to face the NS buses around Zwolle
Oh, good luck then ...
Haha thanks, I'll need it :P
@Tinkeringbell good luck!

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