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3:51 AM

@Catija Out of curiosity, have you ever eaten at an In-N-Out since they've opened in Texas?

They've abruptly shut down all of them

Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Currently? Are you sure that's not old news? statesman.com/news/local/…

Went once, didn't care for it... never gone back.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

4:56 AM

@Catija It showed up in my recent news feed.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:46 AM

@Shog9 Another careless use of that close reason. Fortunately, people voted the right way after I did. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/217635/…

Can you please close and reopen it, so that only one close reason shows?

chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/179924/… (@Shadow @rene)

rene

7:18 AM

→ 11 messages moved to Chimney

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog usually I'd close the other way around when there's official answer, but Shog's post isn't really an answer, so yeah... emerald used as requested. The answer in the dupe is much better than Shog's.

SmokeDetector

7:54 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected: How to calculate the enthalpy change of water? by bins on chemistry.SE

Fabby

9:07 AM

@ShadowWizard That's a link to a video, not a video... (and only read now, so too late to post a video of me in bed as I'm out of bed already) ;-)

Shadow Wizard

9:50 AM

The Best We Can Do - Interactive Reading with Thi Bui

►

rene

10:54 AM

@ShadowWizard do you know a better dupe for this one‌?

Shadow Wizard

11:06 AM

@rene nope, that's perfect fit. Hammered.

rene

ok

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/q/312310/158100

sd del

Somewhat Memorable Name

11:31 AM

🔨

Fabby

12:20 PM

First time ever I flagged my own question as a duplicate

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mgetz

@Fabby I usually delete my question if it's a dupe and doesn't have any upvoted answers

Fabby

@Mgetz I'm hoping the upvotes mine received will count towards the dupe for getting this resolved.

(one can hope...)

Mgetz

@Fabby tbf I so rarely ask questions it's usually not an issue

Fabby

Also: I'm a rep-whore... I'ts got 2 upvotes!

:-) ;-) :-)

Mithrandir

@Mgetz Don't!

Mgetz

12:23 PM

@Mithrandir when it's a complete dupe and it's on SO I'll delete it, it's not adding anything

Somewhat Memorable Name

We just only need better signposts

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby so why don't you actually close it? Click the "It solved my problem" button in the big banner you should now see on top of the question.

I can hammer it too actually...

Fabby

@ShadowWizard Done

@ShadowWizard Save the hammer for the people not listening and going into endless discussion why it's not a dupe whereas it clearly is...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh, on meta chat it doesn't show the entire site's rep...

(Sunday: Slow today)

Shadow Wizard

Somewhat Memorable Name

@ShadowWizard (Θ_=) I don't see any signs

Shadow Wizard

12:31 PM

@Fabby lol... got 20+ hammers per day, more than enough. ;)

@SomewhatMemorableName robot!!!!111!!!! starting the alarm

I knew I'll catch you off guard one day!!! :D

Fabby

@ShadowWizard Star bait!

Shadow Wizard

lol

But the bot got a point...

21

Q: "Images with street signs" CAPTCHA impossible to solve

I just got challenged (over on English Language) by the new "Mark all images with street signs" CAPTCHA. I must have tried a dozen times to solve it by checking all images that had street signs, but I never succeeded. Of note is a text input field without instructions of what to enter there. I ...

:P

Fabby

The one thing that amazes me is that an answer that includes a big red hammer doesn't get more upvotes...

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby lol.... well, it's just... too big! :D

Fabby

@ShadowWizard Well, at least it made one person smile...

Shadow Wizard

12:37 PM

And it's not free hand... I'd upvote anything with a Free Hand Red Hammer. ;)

Fabby

:D :D :D

Sounds too much like... work...

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby really?? Who? :D

Fabby

:P

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby nah... took me 10 seconds to draw this:

So you can spend 60 seconds and do better! :D

Fabby

@ShadowWizard That's a "T", not a hammer (critics everywhere, but trying to do a better job? Ooooh nooo!)

Shadow Wizard

12:41 PM

!!/hammertime

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard No such command 'hammertime'.

Fabby

>:-) ;-) >:-)

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby boo hoo

So that's a big T for you!

You can break nutmeg with such a T as well. ;)

What exactly is a nutmeg anyway?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard It's a kind of nut :)

Fabby

Nutmeg

Nutmeg is the seed or ground spice of several species of the genus Myristica. Myristica fragrans (fragrant nutmeg or true nutmeg) is a dark-leaved evergreen tree cultivated for two spices derived from its fruit: nutmeg and mace. It is also a commercial source of an essential oil and nutmeg butter. The California nutmeg, Torreya californica, has a similar fruit, but is not closely related to Myristica fragans. == Common nutmeg == Nutmeg is the spice made from the seed of the fragrant nutmeg (Myristica fragrans) tree. The spice has a distinctive pungent fragrance and a warm slightly sweet taste...

I use it for nearly every single dish in my kitchen.

Tinkeringbell

12:44 PM

We have some at home, but I don't believe we ever use them :/

Fabby

PeNu in my recipes means "Add petter and nutmeg"

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard i use 'em for b'samim at havdalla sometimes

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell Whereever you use pepper, use nutmeg too.

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby I'll keep that in mind for when I'm home alone again ;)

Mithrandir

@Fabby poor @PetterFriberg :P

Tinkeringbell

12:45 PM

It's just that we don't cook using pepper a lot either :P

Fabby

@Tinkeringbell and wherever you use cinnamon...

Somewhat Memorable Name

Hmm... I'm hungry...

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby Cinnamon goes in apple pie and cookies...

Fabby

@Mithrandir Thou speakest in riddles...

@Tinkeringbell try adding a whiff of nutmeg.

Tinkeringbell

@SomewhatMemorableName Hi Hungry!

Somewhat Memorable Name

12:46 PM

Hi!

._.

Mithrandir

@Fabby Well... I do.

Tinkeringbell

@Fabby Guess that's why the nutmeg is going unused there then. It's been a long time ago we made apple pie, cookies or a dish with pepper.

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby oh..... well, I just buy it as a spice, no need to break anything.... /cc @Tinkeringbell @Mithrandir ;)

Fabby

@ShadowWizard buy it ground up already: much easier.

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby I do! ^

(never noticed the English wording, lol)

Fabby

12:48 PM

Telepathy!

It has other wording?

I thought those were decorations!

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby it has, well, Hebrew name. (which sounds as "Muskat Nut")

Fabby

:P ;-) :P

@ShadowWizard I can recognize Hebrew...

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Ours are in a bottle with a little rasp included

Fabby

(not actually read it, but I have worked in Israel, and even if I wouldn't have, I'd still regognize it)

0:-)

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby whoa, nice! Guess that for most people it just looks like Gibberish... :/

Where did you work? For how long? @Fab

Mithrandir

12:50 PM

יפה!

Fabby

@ShadowWizard 1 looong 5-day week-end in Petah Tikva

View from the hotel was nice, but the view from the warehouse was crap.

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby ohh... I lived near Petah Tikva for about 30 years and worked there for... 10?

@Fabby warehouse?

Fabby

Software deployment for a very well-known three-letter logistics company.

0:-)

Or I'm having a déjà-vu or we've had this conversation before...

Kosher breakfast sucks: no meat...

It's really great for the first day, and the second, the third is like "duh" and the fourth is like I'm going to bite someone's arm!"

:D

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby or.... bug in the Matrix....

calling Neo

Fabby

@ShadowWizard :D :D :D

lower right corner...

Shadow Wizard

12:59 PM

best movie I've ever seen... though 20+ years later it does look old...

Fabby

The Empire Strikes Back...

Shadow Wizard

The only movie to this day I saw in the cinema more than once.

Fabby

(but that's also because it was the first film I ever saw all by myself: no parents!)

Shadow Wizard

(and 10-20 times on VCR)

@Fabby not even friends?

Fabby

@ShadowWizard Good idea! I should watch it again!

@ShadowWizard Nah!

Shadow Wizard

1:01 PM

hmm.... let me see..... Matrix is the one single movie I went to watch alone in the cinema.

Fabby

I was happy to be going to watch something no one else was interested in and being able to pay for it myself!

Shadow Wizard

hehe

wait, this expose your age.... sort of...

Fabby

I'm one of the ancient ones, like my Avatar...

I'm officially an old fart as @Mithrandir can see on my profile.

Shadow Wizard

lol

If you were about 15 back in 1980 this makes you Ancient indeed! :P

Good competition even for @πάνταῥεῖ!

Fabby

Did they delete the birth age field or just hide it @Mithrandir?

Shadow Wizard

1:03 PM

@Fabby hard delete

burnt to ashes

Nuked out of orbit

GDPR pushed them into panic mode.

rene

for SEDE profiles still pending ...

Fabby

Moderator tool ---^

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby exactly

Mithrandir

...no.

That's not the mods, that's the staff.

Fabby

:O I thought you had access to the email, age, ...

Shadow Wizard

1:04 PM

O:

Mithrandir

The mods are that beam.

Shadow Wizard

The staff tools are... mods? o_O

:D

Fabby

:D :D :D

Mithrandir

@Fabby Sure, I could see your email, but that's not a tool like the one in the picture ;)

@ShadowWizard exactly :P

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby age is no more, but yeah mods can see our email field

Fabby

1:05 PM

@Mithrandir So if you contact someone to let's say act less juvenile, you don't even know their age???

Mithrandir

@Fabby Since they removed the age field from the profile, that is correct.

And neither do SE staff.

Shadow Wizard

Even a 100 years old person can act "too juvenile"

Fabby

Yeah, but they should be chastised, because they lknow better.

Mithrandir

But people seem to think the mod tools are super powerful. For any really big things, we actually just ping a CM :P

Fabby

A 14-YO doesn't

Shadow Wizard

1:07 PM

nah.... age should not matter.

Person should be addressed neutrally.

Mithrandir

Yeah, that's a general rule of the internet. Age is irrelevant.

:P

Fabby

I disagree: a child is a very inexperienced adult, a teen is an inexperienced adult and according to one of my ex-GFs, I never grew up beyong a 5YO...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Shadow Wizard

Mod that sends a message "You act like a teenage boy, stap it" to a user if they know they're 40 years old is... not a good mod, IMO.

Fabby

@ShadowWizard That's why I'd never be a good mod..

Mithrandir

The point was that we don't really make allowances like "eh, he's a teenager" when it comes to policies.

Shadow Wizard

1:09 PM

Yup ^

Fabby

No, but you can put the kid gloves on!

Journeyman Geek

my ears are burning. ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby perhaps... but what about father? ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby I'd treat people the same no matter what

Fabby

I mean a 40YO should know better.

Journeyman Geek

1:10 PM

I've seen some mature 16 year olds, and some very immature adults ;)

@Fabby do they?

Fabby

@ShadowWizard those become like 5YO again!!!

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby but telling someone "You should know better" is... well, kind of rude.

Fabby

Buying toys, being silly,

@ShadowWizard I cannot be insulted...

so I just say things the way they are...

Shadow Wizard

hehe... aka you have kids of your own? @Fab

Mithrandir

I mean... you have absolutely no way of telling for sure if I'm actually 15 or not. And it doesn't really matter; what matters is the standard of behavior we hold users to, that is the same regardless of age, gender, location, etc.

Fabby

1:11 PM

... having a scientific education doesn't help.

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby hehe... you're one of your kind then! :D

Fabby

@Mithrandir I disagree: in some cultures, there is no concept of "no!"

I've travelled too much and made too many faux pas to still be insulted nor trying to be insulting

And I never apologize for anything outside my sphere of influence.

My boss acts like a dick?

He should apologize, not me.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Mithrandir Which doesn't mean that some behaviour is unacceptable everywhere,

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby also...

Shadow Wizard

hmm... @Fabby you really sound like @πάνταῥεῖ you know... suspecting sock :D

Journeyman Geek

Least with my dad, any bad behaviour he has gets excused by old age ;)

Fabby

1:15 PM

@ShadowWizard ~~Not that I know of~~ ;-) No, none.

@JourneymanGeek :D :D :D

Mithrandir

@Fabby That doesn't change the standard of behavior we expect here on this site. If you come from a nudist culture, that doesn't mean that you can walk down Broadway without clothes.

Journeyman Geek

You have a lot more things holding you in check as a younger person

Fabby

I'm a dinosaur: 1. my species is nearly extinct. 2 I've got a broad back and can carry a large load. 3. I've got a thick skin and don't feel the daggers in my back and:

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby lol, well, never too late you know.... :P

Fabby

4. I've got a very small brain: Don't overthink things!

Shadow Wizard

1:17 PM

lol

don't overthing thinks

Fabby

@ShadowWizard Probaly same cultural background and experience.

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby he's from Germany... you too?

Fabby

@Mithrandir I'm too ugly to do that nowadays...

@ShadowWizard I currently live in Germany, but no, not born there...

Shadow Wizard

Huh? @πάνταῥεῖ is suspended in chat?? Why this time? :(

@Fabby oh lol

Fabby

@Mithrandir Also In the unlikely case I would like to be naked in this chat room, no one would care...

;-)

Mithrandir

1:20 PM

That's not what I meant.

Fabby

so yes: you're absolutely right: Everything depends on context!

@Mithrandir that's why I added the ;-)

One of my disadvantages: Everything is funny!

(but the context is important)

E.G. Making Jewish jokes in Israel if you're the only non-Jew around is funny.

Making Jewish jokes when there is only one Jew in the room is not!

@ShadowWizard ---^ True?

Smoke! AFK

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby depends what jokes, but yeah... guess it can be true. :)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard erm, he seriously crossed the line and was being a bit creepy

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby no detector??

@JourneymanGeek probably got drunk.... unlike Shog he can't really hold back, or so it appears. :(

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard not an excuse

Shadow Wizard

1:30 PM

True

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek Huh?

@ShadowWizard I was having a smoke, but got to go fold laundry!

@ShadowWizard :-) A Man with a sense of humour!

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby eh, if you ever cross that line, I'll try to warn ya off ;)

Fabby

This world can do with a little nit more tolerance, a little less hate and a lot more laughter!

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby and respect for each other

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek Please tell me before so please explain now?

@JourneymanGeek that's included in tolerance... ;-)

Journeyman Geek

1:33 PM

@Fabby I think there's a difference ;)

Tolerance is putting up with people with grace. Respect is treating people with it ;)

Fabby

OK, my definition of respect is:

I'll give you as much respect as you give me... Respect is a mirrror.

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby he was trying, badly, to either hit on, or get a reaction from another user.

Fabby

;-) :-) ;-)

Journeyman Geek

I mean, you're familiar with how I do things ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby it's a long story, something between him and YvetteColomb - bottom line is that he made her feel uneasy one time too much, it appears, and wasn't nice to her. Better continue this in other room, not here, and probably not now.

Fabby

1:35 PM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, so if I get close to be creepy, please tell me before I do???

@ShadowWizard Ah!

Journeyman Geek

Oh, I totally do that

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek Cool! thanks!

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby I try not to kick people without a watning unless they post the most unsettling thing I've seen this year

Fabby

And that goes for everyone! (CC @Mithrandir) Tell me if I go off the deep end!

@JourneymanGeek I've never kicked anyone first!

(I have kicked back tough...)

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby you RO on chat rooms?

Journeyman Geek

1:37 PM

besides

You know how I do things :)

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek :D Yes, appreciated!

@ShadowWizard Read-Only?

Shadow Wizard

lol

Journeyman Geek

Room owner

In IRC parence, the holder of the great and mighty cinnabon.

Fabby

@ShadowWizard Yeah a few for support chat, why?

Shadow Wizard

RO is mini mod

Fabby

1:38 PM

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!

Journeyman Geek

(ROs can kick, move posts to other rooms... and a few other small things)

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby lol no no, meant in SE chat, as RO can kick users out of the room, that's what @Journeyman was referring to... (I think ;))

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby the RO system acts as a backstop for us mods.

Fabby

Like I said: I'd be a bad mod as I'd try to convince people to behave, never kick them.

I'm a pacifist...

Journeyman Geek

Especially when we want to/need to handle things in house

@Fabby I consider many situations where I need to kick people a failure

Fabby

1:40 PM

@JourneymanGeek Starred!

Shadow Wizard

I still think @Fab thinks you mean actual IRL kicks... @Journeyman. ;)

Fabby

(and a very good attitude! Congratulations! )

Journeyman Geek

There's a handful of times talking dosen't work

Mithrandir

@Fabby Generally people try talking first instead of resorting to the tools, but at times the the tools are unfortunately necessary.

Fabby

@ShadowWizard nope: Talking abut /kick now...

Journeyman Geek

1:40 PM

but practically - I prefer folks to have a clear idea of what we expect first

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby oh, good! :D

Journeyman Geek

Don't forget though, we're users first

and the goal for me is to make every chatroom I'm in the sort of place I want to be in p

Fabby

:thumbsup:

@JourneymanGeek My opinion differs.

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby hehe, no such command...

!!/kick @Fab

Fabby

I'd like all chatrooms to be full of rainbows and unicorns, regardless whether I like unicorns / rainbows or not

It's not about me: it's about everyone else!

;-) :D ;)

@JourneymanGeek (I know that's what you were trying to convey though)

Shadow Wizard

1:43 PM

kick ^

:D

@Journeyman do you get the kick option as mod too?

yup

cool

But why bother ;)

Not cool ^

Damn! the above line was supposed to be above yours @JourneymanGeek

Shadow Wizard

1:45 PM

@Fabby you're not RO here...

Come over to the Den and you can be there... it's free... ;)

Fabby

@ShadowWizard I've been a few times...

( we can suspend)

@Fabby ohh

lemme decamp...

THe thing with kicks is, its a quick way to get someone out of a room

and disrupt disruptive behaviour...

which can carry on elswwhere

Its a great way to deal with things on the short term

Shadow Wizard

1:48 PM

Or kick out of control bots... ;)

Anne Daunted

@ShadowWizard Stopping Skynet?

Journeyman Geek

well assuming the kicking works

I distinctly remember suspending a bot, and basically asking the owner to let me know if he's free to fix it

Shadow Wizard

@AnneDaunted yes! Idea for the next Terminator movie..... :D

@JourneymanGeek ouch

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard oh, no malice intended ;)

Shadow Wizard

And? They fixed it?

Journeyman Geek

1:49 PM

sure

Mithrandir

I once had a ghost bot - I had completely shut down the device it was running on and SE showed "last seen 3 secs ago". For about 20 minutes.

Shadow Wizard

whoa lol

Journeyman Geek

I don't want to sound pretencious here

Anne Daunted

"Ghost bot" sounds really scary

Journeyman Geek

but the single most useful tool a mod can have is folks having a certain degree of respect for ya

since that means you don't need the big stick a lot of the time

Anne Daunted

1:50 PM

Respect or fear?

Shadow Wizard

If mod don't use the stick often, it gives respect, IMO.

If mod use stick for everything, it cause fear. Also works, but only to a limit.

Anne Daunted

As far as I know, I never came into contact with a mod's stick

Shadow Wizard

Good for you!

Mithrandir

tries to remember the last time I actually used the stick for something other than science

Journeyman Geek

@AnneDaunted Well... its a bit like dog training

Shadow Wizard

1:53 PM

hehe, so I'm a trained dog now? :D

Journeyman Geek

Some folks believe you need to dominate your dog to get them to behave

I work with my dog.

I talk to him, I sometimes let him know he's being a pain.

@ShadowWizard dog wrangling and handling people isn't that different.

Anne Daunted

@JourneymanGeek Sounds like your dog is more clever than many people on the Internet

Journeyman Geek

But if you're constantly yelling at your dog, you end up with something neurotic

@AnneDaunted ;p

@AnneDaunted well, he's a dog.

That alone means he dosen't have to worry about our petty human problems ;p

But yes, he's a very clever little guy

But the fundamentals - that positive reinforcement works better than negative in most cases is universal

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek less so with humans, I'm afraid.

They have ego, to start with.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard See - negative reinforcement hurts egos

Shadow Wizard

1:57 PM

So any kind of training might hurt that ego and send them into defensive mode.

Journeyman Geek

When I was younger I used to hang out in this chatroom run by two older folks.

Anne Daunted

@JourneymanGeek Tavern on the Meta?

Journeyman Geek

One of them was this guy called Chevy, after the truck.

@AnneDaunted naw, IRC ;)

Anne Daunted

;-)

Journeyman Geek

He was very big on quality control and sometimes would kinda go off on folks and yell at em

which was ok...

until one day he chased off one of the room mods...

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