> then that she will have a complicated life if the dogs happen to look at my children. And by complicated I mean hell complicated. Like afraid to leave her apartment complicated.
That is advocating a direct and in most jurisdictions illegal threat of violence
@ShadowWizard Reductio ad rediculus? Again? Do you really think that "gender pronouns people use " is equal to someone who writes "I think all women are stupid and should never work in programming"?
I said it before and will say it again. We have people that advocate racism on the chat and in answer. We have people that post content that is gender discriminating, advocates illegal behaviors, is homophobic (at the very least) and so on. Yet very often we lose our minds on "minor" thing like "Why user A said 'he' when speaking about user B? A assumed B is male! Discrimination! Burn him!!!"
This "Be nice witch hunt" so far has done little to remove some of the bigger issues
but has created a nice "fear" climate on the chat
which has already scared away some users
@JourneymanGeek "afraid to leave her apartment complicated.". That ix plain threat of violence. You are not "afraid to leave your apartment" because... cops.
@Derpy Well.. I actually feel that a certain degree of respect for others is essential on chat. But but... if someone crosses the line you're free to speak up
or flag
or meta
By framing this as a "be nice witch hunt" you're kinda feeding the narrative that there's some kind of big conflict.
Personally? If someone isn't going to respect the folks around them, and can't be part of civil society, there's nothing wrong with suggesting they go elsewhere. I don't agree with aspects of SE's approach, but be nice, and civil has been a cornerstone of SE's policies on how we interact.
@Derpy I haven't been around for that long, but I've seen that attitude before the whole 'be nice' push started. And I honestly think that push should go both ways, and handle that kind of behaviour as well....
@JourneymanGeek No. I mean that there are people that probably could have changed their ways that have instead taken the road of self-removal. While the repeated offenders are still here
It turns out the the recent question regarding the misuse of rm -rf in Ansible was actually just a hoax (English) in some kind of viral marketing effort. It become quite famous on various media and gathered a large number of views.
Since I don't think we should allow ServerFault to be abused in...
It's basicly ignoring the posed questions (What about that comment rule enforcement) and is like "We should have no standards and this is all because of liberalism and this is how trump won and we shouldn't expect civility at all anywhere"
@Magisch Having the position that no standards should apply is a valid answer to should rules be enforced. I give you that I hope it will not become a popular position ...
@Magisch nope. Though it's strange he did it almost in same time as @Telkitty, who also deleted only her MSE account. Maybe those two are related somehow.. no idea.
More likely it's the dark cloud hovering over SE though.
@Magisch it's a mystery. I thought he was just fooling around by deleting and recreating his account just like usual, but... no. He didn't come back to MSE anymore.
@ShadowWizard "Let's moderate grammar instead of moderating meaning" still must be somewhere in the middle ^_^'. Which obviously is a really wise decision, especially if the userbase isn't exactly 100% English mother-language in the first place
@Magisch 29:( That's bad in a country that builds long, thin greenhouses with open ends, runs rails through them and calls them an 'S-Bahn station' instead of 'passenger-cooker'.
@Tinkeringbell Maybe. Shove 'em in containers and cycle them through a glacier. As the bun-containers and mammoth carcasses emerge during the thaw, keep up with the receeding glacier, Maybe with a gas BBQ on wheels.
> one day... one day yer old friend Deborah Kurata will discover powerpoint presentations can have other background colors and not just eye-burning white. Until then, may the FLux gods be on your side.
I've just been alerted to a company which produces board games - you design the game, artwork 'n all, and upload the assets to them. They produce the game and sell it in their store, taking half the profits.
I'm a big board game fan (1), and would love to help design a board game around Stack Ov...
> one day... one day yer old friend Deborah Kurata will discover powerpoint presentations can have other background colors and not just eye-burning white. Until then, may the FLux gods be on your side.
and frankly... i'd find it offensive if someone did that to me. If my comment is against coc i'd expect it to be deleted, and enough of them result in a mod contact or a warning in my inbox.
Based on my experience of how mental people get over single downvotes, I don't want to know what a person with a short fuse and some retrograde beliefs will do if I tell them to cut comment insults
I can imagine this getting extra shitshow in chat where people have more tribal mentality
As for recommending stack overflow to my friends, I'm not sure (but not because of this). This site has incredibly high standards for people who stick around but not really for fire and forget askers. "Expect to be held to the highest standard of behavior while the people you're interacting with aren't" is a tough sell on my friends, who already distrust stack overflow in general due to recent events. Mind you, I've gotten quite a bit of flak both on here and offline for even being involved in certain stack communities that are percieved as too concerned about niceness. Idk — Magisch6 mins ago
I have trouble parsing this thought into constructive feedback, any ideas?
TBH, I never recommend SO to my friends. I only recommended once to a friend, but he was just lazy to write the question (no other reasons), so I did that instead (the only question I posted on SO).
@Magisch so, the flak you're getting... Is it because those people feel the internet is allowed to be harsh, or because they think you're too soft for being in a place that tries to be nicer?
Hmmm. And the fire and forget part? Are the fire and forget people actually less nice, or is it more the long term commitment part that requires more patience?
@Magisch That's probably a problem no policy will ever solve... But it may be eased by having nice people around you that focus on compliments and small successes ;)
So, you're basically trying to say that the new coc won't increase the chances of you recommending SO to your friends, but that's because of your friends? ;)
I lost contact with some acquaintances because the whole debate brought out really ugly sides in them
And I'm just generally exhausted justifying my participation here to friends in the context of the whole "You're supporting this culture of hypersensitivity" kind of thing
The fire and forget users more relate to a flaw in my argument as to why it's worth spending time here
Like I said, it seems like new users (because stack has no influence on them) don't really have to consistently adhere to the CoC. But you have to. It's a tough sell.
@Magisch New users are under the exact same obligations as established users. The difference is simply that new users don't know what's expected of them when they first arrive (or, in some cases, just refuse). This results in established users knowing the rules, and on the whole abiding by them, while new users don't know the rules, and so break them, and then they are informed of the rules.
@Mithrandir Which lends itself to the perception that rules are only for established users and new users are free to ignore them (because they are. Unless the misstep is egregious a warning is all they'll get and gleefully ignore in many cases)
@Mithrandir And point of Magisch's story: after they are informed of the rules they still don't care or you never see them adhere to it, since they're one-time askers
The only positive I can see is 'you never see them adhere to it because they're gone'... I get that isn't very satisfying because there might always be a new horde storming the gates...
But in a way, it's like the ants I just burned... They're gone, won't be coming back, because they realised their attitude isn't welcome?
And out of everyone who I know in real-life, I only knew 1 colleague (who sits beside me) who asked on SO rarely, and he went so-so (no negative scored posts at the moment)... so....
I'd probably never recommend SE to my friends... but that's mainly because my best friends right now have totally different interests and don't speak English that well
(So they aren't interested in reading anything in English)
