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Jhoverit

8:05 PM

What's up with the invalid cert warning when coming to chat.meta?

Catija

Odd... says the cert is valid in the info box.

Jhoverit

It does say valid actually

It just says site not secured for an unexplained reason

I initially saw the full page warning for the cert, proceeded anyway and now see

Kevin B

chat always has that problem, usually due to avatars, feeds or other random images

Jhoverit

Shadow Wizard

@Jhoverit images from non https source.

Catija

8:07 PM

It's just this server, too... the SE server is fine.

Shadow Wizard

@Jhoverit that's NOT invalid certificate. It clearly says Valid.

Catija

So... it's just this room, maybe.

Jhoverit

@ShadowWizard Uh yeah, we said that

Wait this is the room that's anti cussing my bad

Shadow Wizard

@Catija any room with images to http:// source, yep.

Catija

So, the Fire Department is fine, so it's not even the entire server... So... now we have to figure out who's the culprit. :P

Jhoverit

8:09 PM

You can sort by protocol in Network

Kevin B

several stack imgr links aren't https

Jhoverit

Err, Scheme*

Atm my only non-HTTPS is cdn3.spiegel.de/images/image-1302902-galleryV9-nmhv-1302902.jpg

Kevin B

My SO Dark Chat + theme is pulling in several over http

Jhoverit

Man that's a bad warning from Chrome just due to an HTTP served image...

> Proceed with caution. Something is severely wrong with the privacy of this site’s connection. Someone might be able to see the information you send or get through this site.

The explanation for the specific error message shown

Yeah, nothing is "severely" wrong with that lol

Shadow Wizard

@Catija this:

Image is not secure.

Jhoverit

8:14 PM

Anyway what I came here to mention is that user reps are broken on all User searches exchange wide that I have found

Shadow Wizard

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Q: Don't allow embedded images from HTTP sources in chat

Quite often I see a mixed content warning when looking at an SE chat room: This is typically caused by images linked in chat hosted on an HTTP source, not an HTTPS one like the SE Imgur account. Sometimes it is also caused by oneboxing of external content (this particular example is from a one...

Kevin B

wha

Catija

@ShadowWizard But that image isn't in your den, is it? I guess it must just be triggered by something else.

Jhoverit

This is how user searches appear on 6 networks that I checked

If someone feels like reporting a bug.

Catija

Have you earned any rep this month on those sites?

Shadow Wizard

8:15 PM

@Catija Den? No, it's here in Tavern. When it will be buried, warning won't show.

Jhoverit

I do not care for this place and will not raise my voice, you get in trouble when you help out here

@Catija Probably. DOes it only show changes??

Catija

@Jhoverit That rep is only for the amount of time in the tab you're in... you have to click "all" if you want their total rep for all time.

Kevin B

user search works fine for me, i made 103 rep this week

Jhoverit

Hah, what a weird search then

I'm searching for users not rep changes. Confusing UX is not bug

Catija

Eh, it catches me sometimes, too... but then I just click "all" and it's good.

Kevin B

8:17 PM

?

Jhoverit

Well at least nothing's broken

Just horribly designed haha

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

oh well. Less snarky comments, more questioners that formulate pretty much how they want, more thanks under posts. Yeah, everything's gonna be just fine.

Catija

When I click on the "users" tab, I actually want to see recent reputation gains.

Shadow Wizard

@Catija exactly.

Jhoverit

@Catija You do?

Catija

8:19 PM

That's actually why I go to that tab... to see how I'm doing compared to the other slackers in here... ;) Have to keep myself up in those leagues.

Jhoverit

Ah you meant that you use it for what it does.

Shadow Wizard

@Jhoverit one thing I'll support changing is for the users page to remember our last selection, i.e. if we see "all time" reputation, show it next time as well.

Jhoverit

I meant... Why in the hell would you expect it to do that?

Kevin B

there's a tab that is selected that says "Reputation"

Jhoverit

And I ignored it. First time searching by username for someone

The use case must not be searching for specific users, more of a communal activity log

Shadow Wizard

8:20 PM

@FélixGagnon-Grenier you talk about recent blog post by Joe?

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

yes

Kevin B

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

> 57 employees provided 13,742 ratings of “fine,” “unwelcoming or snarky,” or “abusive,” on random comments on SO

Catija

@Jhoverit Well, I see a lot of people complaining that the page is entirely useless and shouldn't be included in the sidebar at all... so... I guess somewhat useful but not what I expect is at least... better?

Jhoverit

Sidebar? Hah.... Who uses that Teams Ad

Not me

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

8:22 PM

interesting. I wonder why they did not like... I don't know, ask the community, even random new users, what's snarky. It mostly looks like they want to decide what's what. :/

Catija

@Jhoverit I'm on two teams...

Jhoverit

Do you like Teams?

I feel like it would just become a lot of noise in my organization. If you had the right group it could be useful

I'm still convinced no company in the world has a "right" or "good" group tho, jus 2-3 decent people per every 20

Catija

I do like it, quite a bit. I don't know that it's the best solution for everyone... if you already have an active internal wiki/documentation manager, you may not need it... but it's very helpful.

Jhoverit

How large are your SO teams?

Feel free to roll eyes but I want to say "Why didn't Tim follow up to his own Post?" on the blog post...

The glorious pun would get missed and I'd be banned tho.

.....

Tim didn't post the original unwelcoming blog post? I'll see myself out...

Kevin B

lol

Catija

8:29 PM

@Jhoverit Well... one is about 400 people and the other is about 60.

@Jhoverit No, Jay did.

Shadow Wizard

@Jhoverit reload now, it should be secured without warning.

(non secure images are gone)

And... CM list is down by one.

Catija

Yup.

Shadow Wizard

Only 10 are left.

Catija

That was expected, though... Ana tweeted about it a month ago or more.

Shadow Wizard

8:45 PM

Yeah, better than the fate of the other employees few months ago who got it out of the blue.

Catija

Hard to believe it's been six months since then.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

such curiosity

Shadow Wizard

Yup

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

very want to know

amaze itchy

Shadow Wizard

@FélixGagnon-Grenier know what?

Catija

8:46 PM

What curiosity?

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

I see my doge memeing is not quite on point

Shadow Wizard

You just sound drunk. ;)

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

I meant, I'm not sure I understood what you were speaking about.

Shadow Wizard

Ana

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

yeah, the six month earlier out of the blue thing

Catija

8:47 PM

JNat edited the list of Community Team members to remove Ana.

@FélixGagnon-Grenier The layoffs back in November.

Shadow Wizard

@FélixGagnon-Grenier ohh.. when SE fired many employees all of a sudden, e.g. Oded, Jeremy, and more.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

right, now that you mention it

Shadow Wizard

It's all in chat transcript, feel free to search.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

curiosity was fulfilled, I'm not so intent on having the gory details just now :)

Shadow Wizard

They removed the page listing their employees as a result. :/

Catija

8:50 PM

I mourn the loss of the fun gifs, even if their demise was inevitable regardless of the page's death.

Anyway, presumably they'll be adding to the Community Team list sometime in the next month or so.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

Were there like... reasons or something for the slackoffs?

or mostly "we don't air laundry in public"?

Adam Lear

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A: What happened with the Stack Overflow layoffs (11/2017)?

Because our users do so much to make SO what it is, "Default public" has been one of our core philosophies at SO since the early days. And that hasn't changed, so I'm happy to share thoughts on how the difficult changes we made last week fit into our current outlook, and what our current focus is...

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

dayum.

thanks for the link.

on that, laters o/

Shadow Wizard

9:36 PM

@Catija the gifs were dead long before the page

Catija

Shhhh... let me live in the dream.

Shadow Wizard

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Q: Would like to see more employee animations

There was a recent change in the design of the team page, removing all animations. This request has become irrelevant due to this. Thanks for all the supporters! In the team page, 40 employees got a cool animation, e.g. Geoff animation. However, looks like no new animations were created...

feature-request stackexchange.com stackexchange-team

status-sad

best ^

Catija

I like Jarrod's

Shadow Wizard

:)

Catija

10:53 PM

Looks like it's going to be another exciting Happy Hour in the Tavern!

Somewhat Memorable Name

ugh sleepy morning...

Shog9

Some whisky'll wake you right up

Catija

Hair of the dog?

Shog9

I read that as "half of the dog" and thought, "yeah... a leftover hot dog with whiskey would go just fine"

...I'm hungry. I've eaten a cinnamon roll today

it was a good cinnamon roll, mind you

had walnuts in it

and a sour cream frosting

Catija

... pecans are better.

Shog9

11:01 PM

expensive

Catija

Have plans for dinner?

Shog9

not really

I mean... I'm going to bake a couple of strawberry rhubarb pies

but that's not a proper dinner

Catija

Are they? They're the state tree of Texas, so they're everywhere here... we never bought them growing up because we just got them out of the yard.

Shog9

yeah, they don't really grow here

they're easily obtained shelled, but then you're paying for someone to shell 'em

hence the expense

Catija

Walnuts have to be shelled, too...

Shog9

11:03 PM

yeah, but they're relatively easy

well

not black walnuts

those are a pain

user168476

This reminds me I still have my giant bag of chopped walnuts, I should...do something with them

Shog9

they're really good in oatmeal

that's why I keep 'em on hand

Catija

Did you ever make those Brave Tart Brownies I linked you to?

user168476

(My uncle acquired a....very large box of chopped walnuts. I got a very large (5 lbs) bag out of the box)

Catija

Wow, nice.

Shog9

11:04 PM

growing up, we had hickory nuts and black walnuts

hickory nuts are tedious - not a lot of meat per nut. But they crack relatively easily. Hard, but very thin shells.

Catija

They don't call for nuts but I'm sure you could add them pretty easily... if you like nuts in your brownies... I know lots of people don't.

Shog9

You just spend a lot of time picking out the meat

user168476

@Catija I do, so I should do that :)

user168476

Maybe I will make brownies AND madeleines this weekend as I have more time than I thought

Catija

I don't think I've ever had hickory nuts.

Shog9

11:05 PM

Black walnuts... Those shells are like rock. You can smash 'em with a hammer, but woe betide you if you hit it wrong and it goes flying at you.

@Catija they're like pecans, but better

and smaller

Ended up using a rig my grandfather built, with a hydraulic jack, to crush the walnuts. Then the meat could be extracted, assuming you split them on the right axis

That was after dumping them in the driveway and driving over them for a few weeks to break off the outer fruit

Catija

@Ash Absolutely. You can bake since I never can any more.

user168476

@Catija Deal. Now if I could only share it with you.

Catija

Yeah, I think getting it here would be a bit of a challenge.

user168476

Brownies don't fit in the interweb tubes so well

user168476

I suspect the madeleines wouldn't either

Catija

11:09 PM

Probably not. And those sound really good, too.

@Shog9 that sounds... laborious.

And amusing to watch.

Shog9

it is. But, they're delicious once all is said and done.

so good in oatmeal

with some dried apples

and a little bit of brown sugar

just a pinch of salt

and a drizzle of heavy cream

Catija

any spices? Nutmeg, maybe?

Shog9

naw

all of those other ingredients... the oats, the apples, the nuts... the bit of molasses in the sugar... they're kinda earthy flavors. Good, but subtle. A bit of salt brings 'em out.

but I don't trust myself to spice subtly in the A.M.

Catija

Yeah, nutmeg is easy to overdo... but it would match those flavors, I think.

user168476

Oatmeal is one of those foods I want to like but never quite do

Catija

11:14 PM

But, it'd probably be great without it.

I loved it when I was at camp... and nothing has ever stood up to it since then. I think making it in huge batches is somehow different than single-servings.

But the oatmeal cookies I make are probably my favorite cookies... oatmeal, dark chocolate mini-chips, currants or dried cherries, and pecans... so amazing... amusingly, they have nutmeg in them.

user168476

11:26 PM

Yum! I made some pretty great oatmeal coconut cookies the other week.

Shog9

oh... I use steel-cut oats too

you can cook them longer, more slowly

helps develop flavor without an overly-gluey texture

I use rolled oats in my cinnamon rolls though

Catija

Yeah, we have a method for steel-cut that involves boiling them quickly the night before and leaving them on the burner (off) overnight... and then cooking them in the morning. It actually works pretty nicely.

Shog9

I just throw everything into a pot, bring 'em to a boil then drop the heat to a low simmer and cover

it cooks while I make coffee, drink coffee, and grouse at whoever pinged me over night

Catija

The overnight version works well for people who don't loaf around their houses all day.

Shog9

...oh yeah; stirring is very important

I stir once right before I cover, and then once again right before I serve

If you don't stir, it'll stick

if you stir too much, it'll get all gluey

it's pretty good cold too

Catija

11:55 PM

Well, at least it's inexpensive enough to mess up a few times, since getting the stirring just right seems very complex.

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