I'm looking for opinions on the Be Nice policy. Suppose person A posts the comment "Then you should throw that book out. The author doesn't understand what he's talking about." where "book" refers to "Cracking The Coding Interview". Person B replies with "We should throw your answer out. [explanation of why B thinks A's statements are incorrect]". Did either of these users violate the Be Nice policy?
@Catija It's on regular StackOverflow. And I thought "No longer needed" is the wrong option because the technical correctness of the answer is being discussed.
I'd flag 'em both & write something to the effect of,
> this book has a bad reputation for many good reasons, including those suggested here in this answer. Of course, you should make your own decisions - sometimes bad situations call for bad advice. Consider this all just an aid to help you make an informed decision.
It's rude... yeah... I don't disagree with that but I also don't know how successful a r/a flag would be... I've had several of them declined for worse.
@Shog9 Thanks for the opinion. Spoiler: the second was me, I deleted the comment. At first I thought it was fine because it's just using their words, but I had second thoughts.
Yeah I suppose, but I really don't like technical incorrectness getting by. I've removed my reply to that comment, since it didn't add anything technical.
@pkpnd The edit to that answer should not be there, either. People can not trash other users in their posts. I've suggested an edit to remove that part of the answer but I have no SO rep to fix it really... Next time, if it gets to that point, back away and do something else. The answer is downvoted already, you've said your thing. No need to drag it out.
Once someone gets entrenched, you have to move on. They're not going to change their PoV.
Let your first comment or two stand and trust that others will read them and see the score of the post.
Eh, but you shouldn't trust me to fix code formatting. :P Plus, it gives me a way to earn the rep I need to DV on MSO... which I'm only six points shy of at the moment... and one more approve vote will get me a third of the way there.
Well, no one can vote on it, either... so the answer will stick at -2 until the lock releases (they're sometimes timed, not sure what he set it for)... At this point, you've done what you can. I know XKCD is a big influencer but it's time to go to bed, if you will ;)
@Catija Well, "well" is just a well accepted filler to give you an introductory time to form some reasonable and comprehensible sentence. I've got a colleague who starts literally every sentence with "quasi", should I take them serious? I've filed that being a tic, and I am well experienced with tourette people coming up with way worse wording behaviors.
When I'm typing, though, I don't need "filler". :P I've spent x amount of time drafting the message and then posting... it's sort of a residual filler to attempt to replicate speech patterns in a written situation... which, I suppose, since this is called "chat", makes sense. Much of the fluff added to messages here is such filler.
Goes straight for playing the Theremin and producing harmonic (whatever this is considered) structures ;)
If we would really get able to export our wetware's powers to AI in a reasonable way, I'd suspect it would still just suffer from the deficiencies (regarding performance, false positives or false negatives) we already experience. And I am not sure that quantum computers might get to be more efficient, because IMO we are kinda quantum computers already.
Probably something to discuss with Grady Booch, Noam Chomsky or any other of these guys.
You can consider Computer Programs being specialized idiots, or like autistic savants.
It'll be a hard job to simply love them, because of the lack of feedback.
I myself suffer a bit from an Asperger/Spectrum syndrome, and always been lucky in gaming :3
This question is mostly an excuse for sharing some research I've been doing. It essentially replicates the data Shog gathered a few years ago. I think the results suggest some systematic and social solutions to our ongoing problems with question quality on Stack Overflow (and increasingly other l...
TL;DR:
With so many platforms that provide chat rooms for people that can be made private, why do people persist in complaining about the code of conduct set for this network?
This post is for anyone using or interested in using these sites. Whether they actively participate or passively sear...
please notice that while the first line is pure nonsense...
The second one in the TRUTH
but somehow it seems people don't like that simple truth, ie that they don't own the site and they don't get the final word on how the staff want to moderate it
I'm not salty, but the way she presents the meta posts was usually not really diplomatic, but rather confrontational... where she almost always acknowledged it on the comment (e.g. "please edit the post if the wording can be improved")
> A funny effect of the recent push to be nice is... some of my users are worried if they'd get penalised for the occational use of language - something we're effectively handled without punitative measures.
But yeah, after that blog post: rude users could change their behavior into better one (the one SE wanted). But some of existing non-problematic users also got worried if their behavior is also considered rude.
@SomewhatMemorableName maybe. But after about... 5 years? of repeating the same old concept even I sm starting to believe that perhaps some users aren't interested in friendship. In which case... maybe a chat room isn't the best place to hang in?
@Derpy Uhh.... not sure about SE chat for friendship, at least not me. I respect many SE users & chatters, but I don't think they're considered... friends?
To be fair, I expect that my definition of friendly is somehow close to what @Magisch meant by be civil and not rude. That said, what really changes is the underlying feeling.
@Derpy If we dispense with pretense for a second, a lot of people here and elsewhere aren't nice because they want to be, but because the social consequences for not being so are not worth it.
I'm not universally exempting myself from that.
I've had situations here where I just wanted to cuss someone out
@Magisch oh, it would be worse yep, but that doesn't mean that is the solution. That is only the workaround because we aren't smart enough to.. just leave peacefully.
my point was that right now many users don't seem to have understood why it would be desirable to be nice... but only that they have to otherwise the staff will smite them
Adblock is blocking adverts on SE, even though it's disabled on these sites. I've restarted, uninstalled and re-installed, but that did not work. Is this question off-topic on the main site?
In this screenshot it shows a custom comment flag. What does a no-longer-needed and a r/a flag look like? Is that similar? And is that screenshot when a mod visits a post or is that the comment mod-flag-queue?
@ShadowWizard basically the EU is a few steps away from de-facto banning all user created content on the internet via requiring sites such as stack to have automated and perfect copyright filters and penalizing them severely if they don't
given that google can't get this right on youtube it basically means that user created content will be dead in the EU
The irony is that the independent artists and musicians that the bill is supposed to help will be the ones most hurt by it because they will get no exposure if it passes unless they go through traditional content gatekeepers (which is what the gatekeepers want)
The European Parliament JURI committee will be voting on 20th June on reforms of the EU copyright laws (full law proposal). According to a Creative Commons article titled 'Act now to stop the EU’s plan to censor the web':
The final copyright directive will have deep and lasting effects on the...
@ahorn SE isn't serving the ads themselves, they're using external host. You should white list doubleclick.net domain in order to the ads to show, as far as I can tell.
@TelautonomousKitty still claiming that the Adventure Time clip with Jake explaining how laws came into existence is pretty on topic. But I won't link it after someone comments from the last time I did..
This question is mostly an excuse for sharing some research I've been doing. It essentially replicates the data Shog gathered a few years ago. I think the results suggest some systematic and social solutions to our ongoing problems with question quality on Stack Overflow (and increasingly other l...
> An exception is if an answer is deleted from Low Quality review queue by "Recommend Deletion" reviews, without three trusted users voting to delete, then it can be undeleted by the author.
I'm a developer at an agency and there is a photographer who works in office.
She often has trouble with her computer, accounts, the internet, etc. so she comes to me when she needs assistance with things such as clearing cached files when she needs more space, downloading files, finding a file ...
How can a post be deleted?
By a user:
The author can typically delete their own posts at will; for exceptions, see When can't I delete my own post? below. To delete a post, just use the delete link below it.
Moderators can delete any post instantly.
Users with reputation ≥ 2k (more precisely, ...
@OptimusPrime If you're looking at the employee list of our company, you'll find those paired last names all the time :3 (not to mention that there are more, just not married (yet))
I am watching out for new female employees all the time. But most of the time they're simply too young for me.
Jarrod has implemented animuson's suggestion:
Now that we have that new "disputed low quality review" flag, can we use it for this purpose? The OP undeleting their answer is like disputing the reviewers, so whenever this happens, why not raise an auto-flag so that a moderator can take a peek ...
So, apparently it's too infrequent to do anything more about than just flag it for moderator attention...
I'm not saying it does occur often... but I'm guessing that at least part of why it doesn't happen often is because we don't tell people when their posts are deleted. If we did, they'd know to go back and they'd see the "undelete" button there.
the "mod delete locks undeletion" behavior is almost unnecessary at this point; there's one little edge-case that kinda still requires it, and it's an important edge-case... But we should probably just fix that edge case and drop the mod-deletion behavior.
It's essentially a weak deletion. There's no technical reason why most of the answers should stay deleted, but in practice most of them do because they were only ever posted because the authors didn't know any better.
... not on IPS... no one uses them... largely because the deletion reasons in those defaults are irrelevant to IPS.
... and I've personally rarely used them on any of the sites I use because, again, they don't fit. On AU, they fit because it's a technical site... I don't use technical sites.
I translated "How to use Web?", but after I translated the result back into English, it is not the same as the first text I put in.
TL;DR:
With so many platforms that provide chat rooms for people that can be made private, why do people persist in complaining about the code of conduct set for this network?
This post is for anyone using or interested in using these sites. Whether they actively participate or passively sear...
The European Parliament JURI committee will be voting on 20th June on reforms of the EU copyright laws (full law proposal). According to a Creative Commons article titled 'Act now to stop the EU’s plan to censor the web':
The final copyright directive will have deep and lasting effects on the...
Jarrod has implemented animuson's suggestion:
Now that we have that new "disputed low quality review" flag, can we use it for this purpose? The OP undeleting their answer is like disputing the reviewers, so whenever this happens, why not raise an auto-flag so that a moderator can take a peek ...
