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Shadow Wizard

8:00 PM

@Catija sure, but they make the majority of askers, I think.

Shog9

eh...

Catija

What if you could flag but you didn't get one of the default options, you had to write a custom explanation?

Kevin B

"someone downvoted my post plz halp"

Shadow Wizard

@Catija that would deter many, yeah... but still, pretty sure 90% would write "this comment is rude"

Catija

Part of the problem I've seen is that y'all obscure who flags comments... so unless we use a script, we can't even tell that it's the OP who's flagging.

Shadow Wizard

8:01 PM

@KevinB hehe, or this, yeah

@Shog why you ask anyway? Any change planned?

Catija

@KevinB And that's easy to dismiss - from the flagging dialogue.

You don't even need to look at the comment or the chain, it's easily, obviously, dismissed.

Shadow Wizard

hehe, and to think @Cilan said this room is boring.... :D

Magisch

I would think a metric ton of flag misuse

Shadow Wizard

!!/blame flag misuse

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's ThiefMaster's fault.

Shog9

8:05 PM

so here's what I'm thinking: custom flags ONLY, and mods get to see who raised the flag

Catija

@ShadowWizard Well, think about it - SE needs to be more welcoming. -> new users need a way to feel like they have a voice if they feel attacked -> we specifically prevent them from flagging anything until they have 15 rep -> How can we let them flag in some cases but still reduce the likelihood of abuse? -> Let them flag comments on their own posts? This requires that they have posts...

Shog9

and then we review after a month & see how many are "waaaah, they close-voted my post and I hate editing!"

y'know, like we did for user-profile flags

...did i ever tell that story?

Catija

@Shog9 Making that the default for all custom comment flags would actually be good... and might be easier.

Shog9

I meant to

Magisch

@Shog9 I think that has a signposting problem

I think most OP's aren't going to know they can flag nor what that entails

Shog9

8:07 PM

@Catija easiest would be "mods see attribution on all flagged comments"

Catija

@Magisch Yeah, lots of even high-rep users I've seen aren't aware that comment flags are a thing.

Shog9

what with y'all working around my careful restrictions with insideous userscripts

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 no. When could we flag profiles???

Magisch

SE in general has signposting problems

Catija

@Shog9 Well, your own userscript (intentionally?) breaks the show flagger script, anyway :P

Magisch

8:08 PM

feels like you need a degree in meta to know how the fine print works on here

Shog9

@Catija WIN!

Catija

What would the rep levels for MSE be for different degree types? Now that's a fun thought experiment.

Shog9

@ShadowWizard ...it was live for ... a month maybe

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 when?

Shog9

looking

...good grief, how long have i been working here, dredging up emails from '13

canon

8:10 PM

What's the process for community-wikifing all of my posts and disassociating myself from them? Custom flag/email support/sacrifice a chicken in the middle of a hand-chalked pentagram?

Kevin B

?

Catija

2011

@canon Why?

Magisch

@canon I would guess support ticket

canon

@Shog9 the shog has always been

Catija

CW and disassociation are two different things.

canon

8:11 PM

@Catija just curious

Shog9

november-ish 2014

Catija

It's pretty unlikely that you'd be granted that request. It'd be easier to just ask for your entire account to be deleted.

Shadow Wizard

Catija

Disassociation is something that's pretty rarely done.

Shadow Wizard

Replace "$" with rep ^^

Shog9

8:13 PM

quoting verbatim from an internal email I sent on 7/11/2014

Shadow Wizard

According to this, @Shog is a Doctor!

Magisch

if you ask for all your post to be disassociated they'll probably just tell you to delete your account

Shog9

> During my week handling these, I saw *very* few legitimate reports. Those that were reasonable fell mostly into two categories: spammers and trolls. With only one exception, the latter were already handled by site mods by the time I processed the ticket; the former we should probably just be handling automatically. The rest of the tickets ranged from seemingly-arbitrary profiles (including the system's Community user) with no description of any problem, to problems that were difficult to diagnose because they concerned a specific post rather than the user, to folks just upset because the …

Magisch

afaik disassociation is a manual process

Catija

Eh, 75k for a bachelor's seems a bit steep

canon

8:13 PM

sexist

Shog9

@ShadowWizard i sure don't make 100K

Catija

But you have 300k+ rep.

Shadow Wizard

1 min ago, by Shadow Wizard

Replace "$" with rep ^^

Magisch

I dont even have a degree

Shog9

yeah, but that's spread out over 10 years

's like the idiots who talk abou t how everyone's a millionaire because you can make that in a lifetime

Magisch

8:15 PM

seeing SE's salary calculation numbers, do CM's make a lot less then devs?

Seems like it'd be the other way around

Shog9

oh yes

Shadow Wizard

@Catija yeah it's bit too linear

Catija

Well, my question wasn't about rep/year... it was rep accumulation... also, some people miss out on a bunch of rep because of having CW posts.

Bart

I still can't get used to a Bachelor title being something that gets you a job. Granted, I did Uni right before we switched to Bachelor and Master in NL, but back then you would have been seen as someone who quit Uni.

Shog9

ok. So...

I got a job literally shoveling shit with no credentials at all

Magisch

8:15 PM

I'm pretty sure CM is more difficult and stressful then dev as a role

speaking as a dev myself :p

Shog9

Then I wanted a job putting food into boxes. I had to get a GED for that.

Catija

... I'm guessing Nick must be paid well considering the amount of LEGOs he assembles.

Shog9

Then I wanted a job typing in code. I had to get yet another piece of paper for that.

Since then... Jobs have been based on what I did before I got the job.

Magisch

even the DPO thing is less stressful then even only the public parts of CM work I see

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 well written!

Shog9

8:17 PM

Lesson is: if you want a job that doesn't involve literal feces, you have to have a piece of paper with words on it. What goes into getting that doesn't much matter.

Magisch

maybe my perspective bias is showing but dealing with people seems to be a less straightforward thing then writing code

canon

@Shog9 isn't that this job? :P

Magisch

code doesn't complain and has no emotional needs

Shog9

@canon figurative shit

canon

:P

Bart

8:17 PM

My code complains all the time @Magisch

Catija

So figurative shit needs papers literal does not... good to know.

Shog9

@Magisch people who want code have both attributes

Magisch

idk though

I'm really surprised CMs make less then devs

dev seems like an infinitely more generic job

Shadow Wizard

in Shadow's Den, 27 mins ago, by KennyBOT

~ 💩

Shog9

CM is not what you'd call a "well-defined role"

Magisch

8:19 PM

based on what I see you do on a daily basis, I'd not be upset if you'd make twice as much as me, given that I'm a dev

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch programmers always earn more

Magisch

considering that my code does not cuss me out or insult me on a regular basis

Catija

Well, teachers make a lot less than sports stars or Hollywood celebs... but that doesn't really mean you can compare them.

Shadow Wizard

Think it's more of historical tradition than something that makes real sense.

Magisch

@Catija might be perspective bias again, but I think developer is actually a really easy job for what you need to do with it

you're basicly solving logic puzzles with a couple rules all day

Catija

8:20 PM

SE has to fight with some of the top companies in the world for great devs... most networks don't actually care about the quality of their community management, so SE can get great people at lower cost because there's not a lot of competition...

Magisch

maybe I'm just shit at software dev

Catija

Or maybe you're amazing at it, which is why you undervalue it.

Shog9

in CoGro Musings, Aug 19 '16 at 23:15, by Shog9

It is a job that should consist mostly of listening to the people using your software, but often ends up being a Benny Hill routine of alternately chasing and being chased by them.

Magisch

the dev portion of my current job is just about the least demanding thing I can concieve of that I could be paid for

Catija

People who do things with ease tend to assume that everyone feels the same but, in reality, it's probably that they have a special ability making it easy and the people around them find it very difficult to perform at the same level.

Shog9

8:21 PM

hey, that's why I did dev work for about a decade. more time for sleeping and drinking

Magisch

adhering to coding standards and documentation is more work then the actual logic

Shog9

It's... really astounding the kind of shit you can get away with as a software dev

canon

@ShadowWizard lol

Magisch

this is a bit embarassing but sometimes I get assignments where they expect it to take a week but in reality I just bum around on stack for 3 days and then do the entire assignment before lunch on day 4 and spend another day and a half prettying it up unnecessarily to make it look like I'm actually working for my money

Shog9

@Magisch y'ever read that "Dilbert" cartoon?

That's why I got out of dev work

Magisch

8:24 PM

maybe I'll install and read how to write a webapp for fun because I need some variety that isn't making reports for ERP systems

Shog9

I was becoming Wally

You get to a point where you realize that everything expected of you takes maybe 3 hours a week, and you can bullshit through even that if you don't feel like doing it.

Magisch

Thats also why I wanted to get into SE moderation so badly ... it's something work acceptable I can do at work that is also interesting

@Shog9 it is rather peculiar. Yet the employers think they're still getting a bargain

Shog9

@Magisch because if they hire a consulting company they get billed for 10x the price for 10x less work

Magisch

I know the entire spiel about nonlinear productivity but I can't help but think if I could motivate myself or be pressured into spending maybe 70% of my work week productively I could x10 my output

canon

address parsing breaks my brain

Magisch

8:26 PM

makes me feel like a fraud most days

I'm literally doing almost nothing and still get positive reviews

canon

screw your address... give me the lat/long/elevation of your door

Shog9

I did that bit too. There was a point where my only opportunity for advancement was managing an offshore team. I had... Like a 1 hour window in which I could talk to them. They didn't know how to write code. Or read code. Or any time in which to do either one. I'd ask 'em to do something, and they'd come back with.. a very verbose nothing and lots of excuses.

They were very nice people, mind you

desperate, people

but nice

just... completely unable to do any amount of work

Magisch

mhm

Shog9

I went back to writing code for 3 hours a week and counting my employer lucky for getting even that

considering they were paying my salary to a consulting company for 3 programmers and getting a big fat nothing in return for it

Magisch

I shed a lot of that attitude already but when I started my apprenticeship I got lots of pangs of guilt over spending a lot of time bumming around between assignments

Shog9

8:28 PM

but it's not healthy in the long run

Magisch

constantly afraid about being discovered as the fraud I am

Shog9

it's not good for humans to not be working

we're not built for idleness

Magisch

thats why SE feels nice to contribute to

something you can pour energy into and do something with it on your own terms

can't think of another reason why I'm sometimes really aching to solve some rando's sql server query formatting issue #4432923444

Catija

Yeah, well "on your own terms" doesn't necessarily apply to Shog.

Magisch

sure, but shog has a lot more interesting options in doing stuff

Catija

8:30 PM

You assume that... have you asked?

Magisch

I'd kill for access to some of these statistics and the DB to query and make things with

rene

@Shog9 I once had the image of the mockup screen that was in the functional spec implemented by an offshore team. They literally hosted the image in a JSP page...

Magisch

I know quite a bit about the background and mod workings

I could probably spend weeks just analyzing voting patterns for funsies

Catija

If there's anything I've started to learn in the last day... it's that what we assume the CMs do and what they actually do... isn't necessarily the same thing.

Magisch

SEDE gave me just enough of a taste of it to really want to get into it

@Catija Had an interview?

Shog9

8:32 PM

@rene I once gave an off-shore team the code for implementing a small hover pop-up window. They ignored it and stole the code it was based on from CodeProject, stripped the comments, and sent it back to me. And it didn't do what I'd asked for, which would literally have required changing two lines in the code I'd sent them if they'd been willing to read the comments that I'd added.

rene

oh boy ...

Magisch

ehh

sounds like people who didn't even want to pretend to do their job

Shog9

...you see how that becomes demoralizing? When the time it takes to send an email is greater than the time it would've taken to do it myself and it still ends up being my responsibility because the fuckwads that we hired don't know how to read code?

...that's why I quit programming. It's not a good place for people with limited amounts of patience.

Catija

So how do they get hired in the first place if they're incompetent?

Magisch

the idealist in me wants to say go to the managers and show them and hope they do their jobs and get better contractors

Shog9

8:34 PM

@Magisch you got three levels of execs to drill through, and the top two don't care.

Magisch

the realist in me wants to just do it myself and write off the contractors as dead weight

manage expectations and all that

rene

@Catija off-shore is cheaper, in direct labor costs, That counts in the Excel sheet that is used to budget the project.

Competent is not a factor that fits in the Excel sheet

Shog9

@Catija Read up on Cognizent or Infosys at some point. Essentially, these large consulting orgs work by selling the cheapest consultants to folks who pay to train them, then selling them again to slightly less cheap clients who pay to train them more, then finally sell them to discerning clients for the small window of time between them becoming competent and them quitting.

Magisch

apropos excel. A big credit insurance company (think multibillion multinational) a acquaintance of mine works for uses a excel 2010 worksheet with a boatload of macros to track big industrial credit risks

Catija

If you're paying for crap and expecting gold, you might want to find someone named Rumpelstiltskin to try spinning it... you have a better chance of success.

Shog9

8:37 PM

It's a gold mine for extracting money from orgs who have no idea that there's any skill involved in any job and are willing to negotiate for the lowest price on warm bodies.

Magisch

how do corps like that stay in business?

surely paying a boatload of cash for people to do nothing irks on the bottom line at some point?

Catija

If they don't know that they're "doing nothing"... what's there to complain about?

rene

Governments are happy to gave a 60M euro overrun of an ICT project

Magisch

the lack of actual things getting done

software products are tangible in that it is self evident if they fail to materialize

Shog9

@Magisch Imagine you have a 100-year-old business. With thousands of clients, world-wide. A sales team that dwarfs small cities. And an insane cash flow...

Magisch

8:41 PM

@Shog9 mhm

Catija

You could actually be up front with your employer... do the work in three hours, make it look good, turn it in early and ask for something else to do... anyone in your position could...

Shog9

...And by "you" I mean "a version of you who somehow got a CEO role in this org despite not having the slightest inkling of what it does or how it got there"

Magisch

@Catija I tried that and got told "write docs and test it"

Shog9

So how do you do what's best for you?

Magisch

I fail to see the utility in continuing to document and test something for 37 hours that got fully and feature completly done in 3

Shog9

8:41 PM

You negotiate a compensation package based on stock price.

Catija

... Um... that's important stuff, from what I understand? Shouldn't you be doing that anyway?

Magisch

yes, that's included in the 3 hours

Shog9

you sell off all the wings of the company that exist only to support the core (money-making) org

Catija

Then show them the unit tests and the docs and say "already did it".

Magisch

this works with managers who know what either of these things are

Shog9

8:42 PM

you fire or lay off all of the expensive people who know how to build the stuff that keeps up the company's reputation, or support those people

Magisch

or can tell them from markov chain word documents

Shog9

And then, when the next quarter's profits roll in... You retire with a massive nest egg based on all the money you "saved"

Magisch

it's not too bad. I have support helpdesk work and the data protection stuff to sink time into now

Shog9

Nevermind that you've now set the entire organization, hundreds of thousands of people, back at least a couple of decades

Magisch

idk I don't value money over personal fulfillment that much

I couldn't be a CEO I don't care enough about getting boatloads of cash to put that kind of emotional work in

being malicious is stressful and not easy

Shog9

8:44 PM

There's no emotional work. There's just boatloads of cash.

You're able to stand up in front of those thousands and thousands of people, and talk to them as though they were nothing.

Catija

Depends on the CEO, I would think.

Magisch

presumably you can't just say "Hello I have no idea about any of this anyway's i'll proceed to mess it all up fully well knowing"

Shog9

And then retire on your massive pile of cash.

Magisch

how do you overcome the massive guilt of knowing what you're doing?

rationalizing away being a jerk is also hard emotional work

Shog9

You're able to take what once was a family-owned business and run it into the ground for your own gratification at the detriment of literally thousands of families and sleep at night.

Magisch

8:45 PM

it's easier and less painful to not act like a jerk

Catija

I'm lead to believe that the money helps... and some people just don't feel guilt.

Magisch

I'm not sure getting a couple millions would be worth not being able to look at myself in the mirror anymore and knowing what I did

What am I gonna buy with that? More therapy?

Catija

But you feel guilt, have a conscience... that's sort of the point... lots of people don't.

Or they don't see the harm they're causing.

Kevin B

the american dream

Magisch

I act like a jerk from time to time despite my best efforts not to but doing so with full intent seems to me to be a lot of work to fool my own conscience

Shog9

8:47 PM

Travis J

@Shog9 I have seen that happen in person to many business in my industry.

Magisch

If you have no conscience or consideration for others what is your point in even existing then? If you took that away there's not a whole lot that it's worth even working towards left

Kevin B

you're the one that worked hard to put yourself in that position, you deserve every penny

Catija

@Magisch Self gratification.

Magisch

I'm sure I'm capable of extreme scumbaggery given the right motivation, but money doesn't seem to be it

the right motivation, that is

Shog9

8:48 PM

@TravisJ I got to watch it happen to three business that underpinned the town I was born in. One of which I happened to be working in at the time.

Catija

@Magisch And there may not ever be one for you. I don't think I could ever do that, either... but I've never been tested.

Magisch

I didn't think I could willingly hurt people physically either until I broke someone's nose with full intent at age 12 :p

Shog9

rename Magisch Ender

Magisch

I felt bad about it later but not when I was doing it

Catija

Some people have things they want - money (and the things it buys/allows), renown/fame, love (or the semblance of it), "winning"...

@Shog9 Well, we're assuming the person isn't dead, though... I hope...

Magisch

8:51 PM

I'm actually magisch's ghost confirmed

living through my own personal purgatory

Catija

No, the person you punched...

or whatever you did to break their nose.

Magisch

no he isn't, but he got expelled from school

Travis J

@Shog9 - We (my company) worked on a shared site. They sold roses. They were bought by a consulting firm. The firm proceeded to then take deposits for an extra year in advance, lay off 70% of the employees, slowly distribute and sell their inventory, and then lay off the remaining 30% over the period of 18 months. The company had done the inaugural rose production for the white house for 50 years.

Magisch

but tbh my intent at that time was to just punch with as much force and malice as I could think of

so there but for the grace of chance am I not a murderer

Travis J

It is almost more prevalent in tech, where firms are bought, all general staff is laid off, any talent is attempted to be moved to the umbrella company, and all the IP is moved.

Magisch

8:54 PM

thats what firms want when acquiring startups

they want some of the talent and the IP

canon

sometimes the only thing stopping you is that consequence slideshow flickering through your rage

Magisch

or just to shut it down to prevent competition

@canon meh, I'm pretty sure I was seeing red at the time

emotionally unstable is probably an understatement

Shog9

@Catija well... It's not like Magisch would know...

Catija

He wouldn't know if he did but he seems to know that he didn't... which is the same, for this example, I think.

Magisch

The guy got expelled from school for what he said to me that led to me punching him

Shog9

8:59 PM

"I was told they were expelled..."

Magisch

and I got no grief from his parents

Catija

But did you ever see him after the punch? Alive?

Magisch

I'm also a massive wuss and pretty sure I couldn'T kill someone in a punch if I tried my best

yes as we were in the principals office

he had a bloody nose and was moaning about it being broken

Catija

I suppose he could have gotten a blood clot and died a week later.

Magisch

I don't know 100% actually if it was broken

I probably would have heard about that, he didn't move afaik and it's a small town

Catija

9:01 PM

... I'm starting to guess that you haven't actually read Ender's Game... You should consider it. It's an interesting book.

Magisch

I didn't talk to him again after that though. Actually I'm still not sure if I could do that without yelling or getting aggressive

11 some years later

I did not

gonna add that to my list

Shog9

It's like...a Bible for a bunch of geeks who excel in the art of missing the point

canon

:/

Shog9

But it's also a fun story, if a bit dated now

Magisch

I'm pretty adept at that myself

what is it about SE that efficiently dries out my cynicism that I carefully cultivated over years of internet

Shog9

9:05 PM

we're just so full of love and unicorns

...or maybe, uh, even more acerbic cynics?

Magisch

maybe I just need a different kind of cynicism

almost disappointing disagreements here are so objective. It's easier to dismiss people when they're insulting you

here you gotta entertain the arguments and consider them

Shog9

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Travis J

@Magisch So consideration is based on entertainment?

Magisch

@TravisJ no I mean. If someone makes a point respectfully and adhering to rules of etiquette and conversation ... you can't just dismiss it

You have to analyze it and consider its merits ("entertain it") and then come up with a conclusion

that's ... a lot more work and your opinions and stances change more frequently as a result

overall a good thing but also more work

Shog9

it's way easier to just tell a long, distracting story

Travis J

9:10 PM

> these aren't the droids you're looking for

Magisch

@Shog9 but also less fulfilling. If someone insults you you can dismiss them with all the righteous indignation and feel good about it

Think of yourself as so sophisticated and objective ...

Travis J

@Magisch mmhmm, common courtesy, I like it

tell us a story @Shog9

Shog9

last week in Lake Woebegon...

...a bunch of bachelor farmers got all riled about a sidebar

...that's not a very good story. Sorry, I'm distracted. Got like 4 bikers here right now, begging me for cinnamon rolls

Magisch

you have an interesting life

Travis J

lol

Catija

9:26 PM

I wish I had time for yeast breads.

Shog9

the nice thing about yeast bread is that most of the time... you can be doing something else

Martin James

It never fails. No matter what site/room I look at, if I'm hungry, some ......users will be talking about food:(

Kevin B

there's no food in js chat

Catija

Yeah, well... the nice thing about working from home is that you're right there for the 10 minutes you do actually have to do something.

Not all of us have that luxury!

Magisch

I still hope you'll be the new cm @cat

Catija

9:40 PM

HAHA. Thanks. :) Me too... then I can make more yeast breads. :P

Sorry I sort of ignored you earlier... I'm not really sure how much I can/should talk about it.

Shog9

@Catija get hired already, dammit

Magisch

@Catija I figured

Catija

Yeah, well... that mod newsletter sure makes it sound like I'm fighting against a lot of great candidates... so. :/

Shog9

you are

FIGHT HARDER

Magisch

you just need to be better :p

Catija

9:42 PM

Hey... I went and started looking at MSO... that's got to say something.

... something other than "I really like Teams and want to help make it better"... which is true but...

Shog9

✓ glutton for punishment

Catija

Those Teams patches are really awesome, by the way.

Shog9

yeah... Now i gotta get a jean jacket

curse you, '80s!

Catija

Do they do that for all of the product launches?

Letterman jacket instead?

Shog9

imma remake the "born in the usa" cover w/ a Teams patch instead of a hanky

Catija

9:45 PM

Looks like a hat.

Shog9

really? It's been a few years. Anyway, gonna be a Teams patch now

Catija

You're talking about this:

Shog9

ah, yeah... I guess it is a hat

Catija

I want to buy a nice bottle of whisky/bourbon for Andy... any suggestions?

Travis J

What type of whisky?

Catija

9:56 PM

Nothing too peat-y

Travis J

Only scotch has peat, so a non peated scotch?

I would suggest a 12 year glenlivet

18 year if you want a fancy one

Catija

Dunno? He's not super picky, I think, except for that. The stuff I have gotten a lot is Willett... It's lower ABV, I guess, and smooth. And has a cool bottle... but they don't usually actually have it in stock.

> Receiving a 90 from malt advocate and a gold medal from the san francisco world spirits competition this bourbon doesn’t disappoint. Very drinkable and smooth with notes of vanilla and creme brulee throughout. It has a long finish introducing flavors of maple and oak.

Travis J

I don't really have any bourbon suggestions :( That one looks good though

Catija

He likes them both... he used to drink Macallan a lot, I think.

Travis J

I would suggest trying to make sure that the bourbon is aged though

Macallan is lightly peated

It is good scotch, you could go that route too, especially if that is what he likes

Catija

10:03 PM

It's such a struggle. :/ Thanks for the suggestions, though. :D

Travis J

On a scale of 1-10, how nice were you thinking?

Shog9

@Catija 291 rye is pretty good. Local distillery

Or stranahans from Denver

Wisers Very Old is a good Canadian blended

Travis J

@Shog9 Single year aged whiskey is a serious drink

Shog9

angel's envy is a pretty good value for bourbon

@TravisJ their unaged corn whiskey is amazing

Travis J

O.O

Shog9

10:08 PM

Speaking of which... This stuff is good, cheap, and comes in attractive oil cans

Catija

@TravisJ Under $100 or so? Welcome home/father's day present.

@Shog9 I'm guessing they probably don't have it here... but if I have more time sometime, maybe I'll see if I can order it.

Travis J

Are you in Houston?

Catija

Austin.

Travis J

I was going to suggest going to Vom Fass, but yours was closed :(

Magisch

10:26 PM

You could get a cat and have it wear a collar that says "In lieu of whisky, enjoy this companion"

Travis J

@Catija specsonline.com/shop/spirits/macallan-malt-15yr-fine-oak ?

Catija

10:38 PM

@Magisch I wish. We'll need to wait for the house renovations to be done before we get a cat... and then we need to find one that Andy's not allergic to.

Travis J

Non allergenic cats are hard to find. If you can stomach the hairless ones...

Catija

He wasn't allergic to the one we had before... it was from the pound. I have a vague recollection that cats have several different types of dander... or something... and people are often only allergic to one or two of the types, so you can find a cat with a different type... or something.

Travis J

Hm, didn't know that.

Catija

... dunno if it is... just something I remember hearing... and... well, you know how reputable that is. :P

Travis J

Got it, pure canon, the sole definition of truth, the pillar of which all other truth is built on.

Catija

10:45 PM

:D Pretty much.

Travis J

Refiner is freaking hard to get (Edit and answer 50 questions (both actions within 12 hours, answer score > 0).) That anyone made it to Illuminator (500) is ridiculous.

Catija

Does the order you edit matter? Half the time I edit the question after I answer it...

Order doesn't matter

Happy hour!

in four minutes.

11:03 PM

Happy hour always coincides with me having to fight traffic for 90 minutes :(

Catija

:( Sorry. At least you're going home? I'm still at work for another hour.

bjb568

It took me more than 90m to get to work today because there was a stopped train blocking all the RR crossings.

… which subsequently caused gridlock on the adjacent road.

Catija

The one good thing about my job... 15 minute commute... So, I may not be working at home but at least I'm not stuck in that. :/

John Dvorak

90 metres to work is no distance...

Aaron Hall

Happy study hour!

Fabby

11:14 PM

@Catija You roll out of bed straight onto your computer??? :O

Catija

Huh? I don't follow.

Journeyman Geek

Morning

Fabby

15 minutes of commute, slightly exaggerated...

:-) :-) :-)

Journeyman Geek

@Catija that you have gotten this far clearly shows you have some qualities they find useful in a cm. You can do it :)

Fabby

@Catija (I work from home so my commute is rolling out of bed on top of my computer...)

Journeyman Geek

11:17 PM

@Fabby that sounds painful. I work sitting on a chair, not lying on a computer

Catija

@Fabby Oh. :) Yeah, I roll out of bed to my phone because SE pings.

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek Erm... Actually...

@Catija :D :D :D

@JourneymanGeek I work lying down...

Nice thick carpet, pillow under my chest, computer in front of me...

Now that I think of it... I got approached by security in our Amsterdam Data Center because for half an hour, they could only see my feet through the security camera.

(the only way of installing a switch was to put it on the BOR because the TOR switch was full.)

crawling on top of the same rack half an hour earlier to dump 16 pairs of fiber cables down the top didn't help...

:D :D :D

Journeyman Geek

I find a reasonable chair essential

I currently have a ikea one but I've been eyeing a secret labs

Fabby

Meh... I've given up on most worldly posessions: a hol ein the ground with a tent on top, hot and cold water, an Internet connection >=16 Mbps and a decent laptop constitute my "bare essentials"

Journeyman Geek

Hah.

So... Leeta's accommodations with ulkesh?

Fabby

11:26 PM

@JourneymanGeek nice! I like it! secretlab.eu/products/titan

@JourneymanGeek :D >:-) :D

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