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Shadow Wizard

7:00 PM

@Shog9 lawyers don't break knees

Shog9

femurs would just be excessive

Shadow Wizard

lawyers break people by taking away their money

They keep their knees and other body parts, but have no money to live.

:D

Magisch

idk, the one lawyer i had to personally deal with was accomodating and made a good price for his services

family friend but still

worked on a flat fee thing (sort of pay x$ for the entire case) and would field questions from us when we had them)

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy it's not the features, it's those using them....

@Cilan good! Why did you both vanish from chat? :(

@Magisch that's very rare, they usually take like $1000 for hour, or in case of lawsuit bigger than $10000, they take half in case of winning the case.

Magisch

he was mediating between my parents for the divorce

I was like 5 when that happened

Shadow Wizard

7:06 PM

@Magisch so I'm sure he took more than he/they told you...

Magisch

they only had one lawyer for 2 people. I think he handled the paperwork. The divorce was mostly amicable.

I actually know it exactly because I asked my dad about it a while back

Shadow Wizard

oh

Magisch

was on the order of 1200 eur for the whole case

as I said, family friend

Shadow Wizard

So friend indeed.

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard You say that.... but mob lawyers may disagree. Tbf they don't do it personally

Magisch

7:08 PM

I have a somewhat positive disposition from that experience towards lawyers

especially since he used to go skiing with my dad

nice person all around

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz in all the movies I watch, lawyers just have suits and they never get their hands dirty, they hire goons to break the legs/knees.

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard That's because they know that trace evidence is a thing

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch well, that is a friend who just happens to be a lawyer, it's sheer luck. Can't really tell anything about lawyers in general. ;)

Magisch

Meh, I haven't had to deal with other lawyers

Shadow Wizard

Good!

Magisch

7:10 PM

Same as I'm generally positive towards police officers because none of them has actually annoyed me yet

they did a blood test on me once because I was swerving with my bike but they were polite and accomodating while doing it (allowed me to get my shopping home and drove me to the station & back)

Shadow Wizard

Well, you have to be nice towards policemen, otherwise you'll end up in jail... o_O

Magisch

meh

being rude to police isn't a crime here

flat out refusing orders isn't either, incidentally. You'll just get detained temporarily if you do that severely enough, but it's not going to be an extra charge

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch blood test?? You mean for alcohol?

Magisch

yeah

Shadow Wizard

Here it's just simple breath test, no blood.

Magisch

7:12 PM

They suspected I had something in (was new years eve and I was swerving with my bike on an empty road getting shopping home)

they had a breath test but it was negative

Shadow Wizard

Breathalyzer

A breathalyzer or breathalyser (a portmanteau of breath and analyzer/analyser) is a device for estimating blood alcohol content (BAC) from a breath sample. Breathalyzer is the brand name (a genericized trademark) for the instrument that tests the alcohol level developed by inventor Robert Frank Borkenstein. It was registered as a trademark on May 13, 1954, but many people use the term to refer to any generic device for estimating blood alcohol content. == Origins == A 1927 paper produced by Emil Bogen, who collected air in a football bladder and then tested this air for traces of alcohol,...

Magisch

I think they suspected something else then alc

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch oh, drugs.

Magisch

didn't really care to ask. I knew I was clean so it was just half an hour and done with it. I got a letter stating I was clean some time later

Shadow Wizard

And? You were clean?

@Magisch oh. Good!

Magisch

7:13 PM

mildly tired and taking advantage of the fact that the main road was entirely empty to swerve a little :D

Shadow Wizard

JasonC told about a friend of his who almost died due to some drug...

Magisch

drugs never held their usual appeal for me (well besides caffeine, but that's legal)

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch sure thing, can totally understand... bad luck there was police...

Magisch

could have been worse

on the order of magnitude of what can happen to you if you get stopped by police at the evening wasting half an hour of your life and no consequences is on the lower end of annoyance

Shadow Wizard

Yup

This reminds me, speed cameras in Israel are now on hold.

Someone hired top notch lawyers who found the cameras are totally and utterly not reliable, sometimes with 100 km/h mistake.

(i.e. camera says Bob drove 200 km/h while he actually drove 100)

Kevin B

7:18 PM

due to what moving part the camera catches?

Shadow Wizard

They got proof from the company who made them, dunno how.... maybe by breaking knees.... :D

Magisch

100km/h difference is a lot

Shadow Wizard

totally

@KevinB something with the way the camera works, which is old and unreliable. It got wires inside the road itself which measure the speed.

(i.e. not laser or anything like that)

Kevin B

weird

Shadow Wizard

Guess our police wanted to save money so they bought the cheapest thing possible.

Kevin B

7:20 PM

just install gps tracking on all vehicles and get it over with

Shadow Wizard

@KevinB privacy. People won't let it happen.

Magisch

idk I understand why people speeding is an issue

seems like every day you hear about some jerkface running over people because they though speed limits are suggestions

Shadow Wizard

Many in Israel oppose having biometric identity card as they fear the database holding their personal info will be hacked.

(example of privacy thing)

Magisch

I get that too

I'm exceptionally paranoid with my privacy online

SE is actually the only website i've ever signed up to with my real name on it somewhere

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch many here are, yeah

Magisch

7:23 PM

not publicly visible, but still

(well paypal but they need my bank account so)

Cilan

@ShadowWizard idk isn't he a mod on two sites

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch real name? Where?

Magisch

I replied to contact us emails before with my real name

Shadow Wizard

@Cilan maybe, but he's not here for long time.... :(

Magisch

and I use my real email on it

ArtOfCode also knows my real name and where I work in relation to charcoal

Shadow Wizard

7:24 PM

Nice

Kevin B

meh, i can care less if people know my real name online

Cilan

This chat is stale and everyone in it is a sjw

That's why I'm not actively in it

Magisch

ehh

first of all I'm a cactus

Shadow Wizard

@Cilan sjw? Shadow Jaw With (something)?

Cilan

And I'm a doorhandle

Social justice warhammer

Shadow Wizard

7:26 PM

@Cilan you can join Den, it got bots...

Kevin B

🔨

Cilan

It's an artifact weapon

Shadow Wizard

@Cilan better than your hammer

Your hammer trolled you

Cilan

Don't smuck the hammer

Shadow Wizard

it wouldn't stop

heh, kind of expected it's still installed. :P

Cilan

7:27 PM

Mr wizard memes die after 4 years

Shadow Wizard

meme is eternal

FHRC forever!!1!!

!!/welcome Cilan

SmokeDetector

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Shadow Wizard

And we have Smokey ^

Shog9

welkl

not "have"

Cilan

Charcoal website

Shadow Wizard

7:28 PM

?

Shog9

we are occasionally graced by its presence

Cilan

Didn't I make a charcoal app

Oyea I removed it cuz it used the stale charcoal algo

Smokey is better, but now I c it has an api

Shadow Wizard

What's "welkl"? @Shog

@Cilan it grew up a ton in the last years

It makes tea and coffee now.

!!/coffee Cil

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Affogato for @Cil

Magisch

Smokey is a wonderous Art of Code

wink wink nudge nudge

Shadow Wizard

7:35 PM

@Art got an admirer! :D

Shog9

@ShadowWizard i may've switched to malt liquor in lieu o f eyeglasses

there's a ridiculous amount of smoke in the air today

Colorado is burning

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 sorry to hear! But how it's related to mistyping? ;)

Shog9

everything is terrible

Catija

Is that near enough to Denver to affect flights?

Shog9

naw

unless you count passenger discomfort upon disembarking

Catija

7:37 PM

Andy's in Denver's airport on a layover... as long as he gets home, that's what's important.

Shog9

that's a shame

Denver's airport isn't as much fun as it used to be

Shadow Wizard

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Shog9

beer's gotten really pricey

Shadow Wizard

this? ^^

Catija

I think I've only been to it once, about 18 years ago...

I have cousins in Colorado Springs.

Shog9

7:39 PM

@ShadowWizard coemergency.com/2018/06/…

Shadow Wizard

@Shog so if you'll take alcohol test now, you'll fail? ;)

Catija

Woah, over 400 fires? That's horrible.

Shog9

hell no

I've been studying

Catija

Oh, it's called the "416 fire"... Interesting.

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 whoa.. lots of fires indeed!

Shog9

7:40 PM

yep

not as bad as last year yet, but... It's still early

we really need some rain

Shadow Wizard

All natural fires?

Shog9

naw, they pump 'em foull of hormones

best to buy fire at your local farmer's market for that All Natural Goodness

Catija

Or make your own?

Shog9

fire ban in effect. Don't be insensitive

Shadow Wizard

Here we get new type of terror, fire terror: they burn our fields with kites. haaretz.com/israel-news/… :/

Shog9

7:42 PM

I always knew kites were thinly-veiled instruments of terror

Those happy painted faces are a dead givaway

Shadow Wizard

lol

Guess anything can be used badly

Next they'll send suicide kittens... o_O :D

Catija

Birds, kittens... whichever.

Shog9

what was it, Sampson w/ the flaming foxes?

Shadow Wizard

Firefox

Shog9

tie three together w/ a torch on the tail

Shadow Wizard

7:45 PM

You know, someone suggested on twitter to send foxes with torches attached to they tails back on Gaza as punishment. And he was serious.

Let's see if I can find it.....

Shog9

that's plagiarism. Send the EU after 'im

article 13 and what-not. Solitary for life

Shadow Wizard

OMG

that's real.

biblehub.com/esv/judges/15.htm

Shog9

well, of course

read your scriptures

Bart

A scripture a day keeps the foxes away

Shadow Wizard

> So Samson went and caught 300 foxes and took torches. And he turned them tail to tail and put a torch between each pair of tails. 5And when he had set fire to the torches, he let the foxes go into the standing grain of the Philistines and set fire to the stacked grain and the standing grain, as well as the olive orchards

lol

Shog9

7:48 PM

kids these days, I swear...

Shadow Wizard

I thought that man was just mad

Shog9

well... could be both

Bart

Not mutually exclusive

Shadow Wizard

Often times, genius comes with being insane, yeah.... ;)

Shog9

if you're taking cues from someone who killed 1K with an assjaw, you may not be the calm, collected type

Shadow Wizard

7:50 PM

hehe

Shog9

anyway, point is: the Israilies kinda invented guerrilla warfar. Maybe not the best idea to mess with the masters.

Shadow Wizard

And for better news: Kenny's wipe watcher has been fixed!

Shog9

...what is a wipe watcher?

follow up question: do I want to know?

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 piece of code that watch when we run a !!wipe command and set turd count to 0. Duh. :D

@Shog9 probably not. ;)

Catija

"turd count"?

Shadow Wizard

7:53 PM

@Catija yup

Catija

Scatological humor... :sigh:

Shog9

Definitely no then

Shadow Wizard

in the code it's just named num though.

bot.oncmd.on('wipe', function(arg){
    if (arg.state > 1) {
        num = 1;
    }
});

That code didn't work before ^

Shog9

OK! Brainstorm, y'all: what could go wrong with allowing post authors to flag comments on their own posts, regardless of rep

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 100 of useless flags per day?

Shog9

7:56 PM

ignoring that

Catija

I think the benefits vastly outweigh the risks.

Shog9

what benefits? what risks?

no wrong answers here, just say whatever pops into your head

Catija

There's no worry about a r/a flag attack since 1-rep socks couldn't cast r/a flags on the comments to clear them... since it's not their post.

Shog9

(plenty of folks available to tell you what's wrong with them in cutting terms, no need to waste energy beating yourself up first)

Catija

Benefits are that new users who do get harsh comments on their posts don't have to depend on bystanders agreeing that the comment was rude in order to get attention to it.

Shog9

7:59 PM

what about misinterpretation?

Shadow Wizard

@Catija keep in mind that many new users consider any comment hinting they made something wrong as rude.

Catija

@ShadowWizard That's not limited to -15 rep users.

Shadow Wizard

so in essence, any comment trying to explain downvote or closure can likely be flagged

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