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another excellent story to read, I bet it's 100% fiction, as most, if not all, HNQ on that site. Probably most are written by the same person. If it was real question, the OP would at least bother to visit the site again to read the comments and answers (just read, not talking about taking actual part), but the OP submitted the question and vanished.

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@SmokeDetector tp-

Shadow Wizard

11:16 AM

@Shog any chance for manual edit ban on this user? He keeps suggesting bad and useless edits, including to your own posts, which sometimes get approved.

(Well, most of the times)

Mgetz

11:59 AM

@ShadowWizard Imagine being 14 years senior your youngest sibling and having to take care of them in public. That happened to my mom... not once... but twice effectively because my Aunts are about 10 and 14 years younger respectively

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Well, same happened to my brother.

Our age distance is over 20 years.

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ that's almost a different generation

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He was in charge to take me to a barber shoppe, and I hate haircuts 'til today. I don't begrudge him ;)

@Mgetz It leveled out a bit since we're both old now.

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ Did he give you lessons in shouting at kids to get off your lawn (sorry bad joke)

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LOL

No, these lessons I took from my neighbors these days.

Shadow Wizard

12:13 PM

@Mgetz I don't doubt your story, but you don't come out and ask on a pubic website in a very well formed way. And I bet you would come back to read and reply to comments and answers. That's my point.

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard Yeah I would return

I was just making a random comment about how that actually happens quite a bit

Shadow Wizard

I just keep seeing drama stories pop in the HNQ sidebar, as if taken from a good reading book, and they're always posted by a new user who then vanish into thin air.

As if they were posted for the sole reason of reaching HNQ, and nothing more.

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard might be worth doing some IP address tracking

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I can think of many people doing such things over time.

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz @Catija can, think she once told it's all "legit", but a clever person can easily use different IP for each post. But technically speaking, even if several posted by same person, it's not breaking any rule.

It just appears bad for me, maybe others.

@πάνταῥεῖ whoa, that's a lot! "only" 12 years in my case. (diff between my older sister and me)

πάντα ῥεῖ

12:19 PM

I am the youngest among 7 (alive) siblings

Loads of drama stories to tell, but I am not after HNQs

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ do you have nieces and nephews the same age?

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I've got 2 (alive) nieces, both ~20 years younger than me.

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ The fact that you have to append (living) is sad, people shouldn't die so young

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Yes.

The oldest (3rd) of my nieces died in a car crash at the age of 18 or so.

John Dvorak

12:56 PM

Which of the following does NOT count as a violation of the GDPR?
1) Remembering information that you aren't allowed to remember
2) Not remembering information that you are required to remember
3) Remembering information that you are required to remember, and failing to demonstrate that you are required to.
4) Not remembering information that you aren't allowed to remember, and failing to demonstrate that you aren't allowed to.
5) Just giving up and showing an error message to everyone from Europe, then further ignoring GDPR.

Mgetz

@JohnDvorak 2) I Believe, but I think 5) counts as clear intent not to do business in the EU and would likely be ignored by regulators

John Dvorak

Wrong. There is information that GDPR requires you to remember, such as information required to heed the right to be forgotten. And yes, you do have to prove that you need to remember the information.

Mgetz

@JohnDvorak If you're not storing anything that is subject to RtBF then it's not an issue. That said it's in violation of other evidence retention laws

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ yup, most people have... sorry to hear about the car crash! :/

John Dvorak

1:11 PM

I'm just impressed just how many companies don't get what not being allowed to tie your services to GDPR consent means.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard I also saw that edit, clicked Skip.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Image by low-rep user: Interpreting significancy of the intercept in a regression analysis by Donsbol on academia.SE

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

...and it looks like the OP overrode the approval on that edit, so not a problem anymore.

Shadow Wizard

1:32 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog why? The reject reason fits perfectly: "This edit does not make the post even a little bit easier to read, easier to find, more accurate or more accessible. Changes are either completely superfluous or actively harm readability."

If one wants to test the suggested edit feature itself, they should say this in the summary, looks like that user sent the edit just for fun.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog true, but still... it means same edits are going to be approved in the future.

@TimStone any ETA when birthday field will be removed from SEDE profile page, if at all? /cc @rene (think you also started to contribute to SEDE code, no?)

Age is already blank of course.

John Dvorak

Wait, are you telling me that SE doesn't actually follow GDPR requirements?

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak how so? They did remove age and birthday from database

The actual data isn't there anymore.

John Dvorak

oh, ok

Shadow Wizard

SEDE use a different code, not sharing SE codebase, so must be edited on its own...

Surprising enough, they did remove it from Area 51 too by now. :)

rene

@ShadowWizard is that still on there?

Hmm, it is

Journeyman Geek

1:44 PM

well SEDE is not properly SE no?

rene

Needs to be dropped from the StackExchange.Data as well then

Journeyman Geek

Its an old FOSS project so... its probably when Tim Stone has the time

Mgetz

@JohnDvorak that's fuzzy, if your services require GDPR covered data and you can't provide them without consent it's legal

John Dvorak

You don't need consent if you need to remember the data

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek nope, it's nothing legal, just useless field. :)

Journeyman Geek

1:51 PM

ya ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak remember? You keep saying that.... do anyone these days have a reliable way to read people minds to prove they remember something they are not allowed to remember?

Hypnosis can work, I guess, but think it's not reliable enough, at least not for court.

Mgetz

@JohnDvorak questionable at best, I suspect a lawyer would require that you ask anyway (that's the training I recieved)

John Dvorak

You aren't actually allowed to send out an email asking for consent if you haven't received consent to remember said email address

Shadow Wizard

One good thing in the future world where AI robots would do everything is that we'll always be able to read their minds. :P

AI which will have forbidden knowledge can be shut down easily.

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard thought-crime is sadly already a thing

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

1:57 PM

@ShadowWizard No, as the +2 is revoked if the edit is overridden (not just merely rolled back)

Tim Stone

@rene I also was not really aware that it hadn't already been removed just because it had no value to begin with, heh

Mgetz

I'm now wondering if you make a form asking for GDPR sensitive data, but never actually even send it to the server or use it for anything... are you violating GDPR

Tim Stone

Anyway I'll make a note to do it either today or tomorrow when I can find the time if no one else does it first, it's trivial enough

rene

@TimStone yeah, I'm on it. removing a field is something I can do ...

Tim Stone

Yay, thanks!

Shadow Wizard

2:07 PM

@Mgetz huh. Where?

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog but it doesn't block future bad edits from same user

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard In the US, UK, and parts of the EU

even viewing some material even without intending to do so is a crime

or talking about certain things

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz any reference?

@Mgetz well, guess reading "top secret" documents with warnings all around them is indeed a crime... but other than that, what you mean?

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard lets say you're a computer tech that takes donated machines for a charity and you find unsavory images on one... you're legally responsible and can be convicted. If you destroy them then you're destroying evidence

Shadow Wizard

I was exposed to "top secret" stuff a bit during army service, it's hard to read it without seeing the warnings. :P

Mgetz

This has actually happened

Shadow Wizard

2:10 PM

I can imagine not reporting it can be illegal, same way not reporting a serious crime is, but it's not like it's yours.

Mgetz

In the UK you can get an ASBO for merely expressing opinions the court considers anti-social

@ShadowWizard Under the current law it doesn't matter, the possessor bears the burden of proof to show they aren't the owner. In the charity case they automatically are

Shadow Wizard

that's... sad.

Mgetz

It doesn't matter if you didn't put them there

Shadow Wizard

note to self: never take computers from people

Mgetz

Most charities don't these days for that exact reason

Shadow Wizard

2:12 PM

But same way you can say people can put guns and drugs in clothes they donate to charity. No?

Mgetz

because the last thing they want is the feds knocking down their door and saying "Hey that computer over there you accepted from _________ and did a DoD level wipe on... you're going to jail for that"

@ShadowWizard That doesn't have the same issues oddly

Shadow Wizard

Weird

Mgetz

and is easier to detect before you officially accept them

Shadow Wizard

Guns yes, drugs can be hidden well, even sewn into the fabric itself

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard Doesn't matter the Cops are still more understanding

Journeyman Geek

2:15 PM

@ShadowWizard hah

Mgetz

Remember you're also dealing with social prejudices too that cause it to be thoughtcrime

Journeyman Geek

the army! Where the TP is classified restricted

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek That's because if they didn't the privates would use it to TP the BOQ

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz huh!

@JourneymanGeek TP? Turbo Plaster?

But yeah, in the army almost every document is marked "sensitive", lol

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard you'd be surprised about what sort of intel you can derive from KP schedules

Shadow Wizard

2:18 PM

There are levels of data sensitivity though, think I had access to some documents with the third highest level, which is impressive, since I was ordinary soldier without any clearance at all.

I can just hope data is protected better these days in our army....

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard hahahahaha No

if anything it's much much worse

Journeyman Geek

Toilet paper

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz ouch!

Journeyman Geek

cause everything in the army is restricted at least

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek oh.... I wish we had this when I was in army. LOL

I was the TP provider of the unit, bringing from home.

Mgetz

2:21 PM

@ShadowWizard It gets worse, this is just the latest in a string of similar breaches that has been going on for years

Journeyman Geek

oh you always had your own stock

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yup.

Toilet paper and sweets.

Luckily, the army gave uniform and weapon, we didn't have to buy those ourselves. ;)

Oh, this somehow reminds me, @Journeyman you in Singapore, right?

Journeyman Geek

yup

Shadow Wizard

Are you excited from the upcoming summit?

Journeyman Geek

not really

Shadow Wizard

2:25 PM

Guess it will cause havoc all around, e.g. road blocks, no?

Journeyman Geek

oddly no

and I'm working about as far away as I can get sooooo

not much of an issue

tbh, I'm more excited over other stuff ;p

Shadow Wizard

Lucky! Here when important person in the scale of US president visits, they close all the roads they're going through.

Journeyman Geek

oh, they kind of did some roads

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard that's because you weren't an officer, they do have to buy all that IIRC. Although I think the army supplies firearms these days

Journeyman Geek

but that's the rich people area ;p

Shadow Wizard

2:26 PM

lol

Journeyman Geek

@Mgetz out here that's issued, and you have an annual allowance

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz only personal gun, which is optional.

Officers do get weapon, improved version usually.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek our tradition in the states comes from the british army, which requires officers to buy their own kit. Including swords

Journeyman Geek

@Mgetz Singapore dosen't trust anyone with weapons unless needed ;p

Shadow Wizard

2:27 PM

@Mgetz that's... that's.... funny, in a way. lol :D

Journeyman Geek

not sure about officiers

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard tbf the marine white tie uniform is awesome

they have capes

Journeyman Geek

(Matchmaking stuff on going. Think we found someone who looks like a really good fit. Hoping she contacts us back)

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz yeah, here it's the same, kind of. We copied many design related stuff from the US army.

Journeyman Geek

cc @Catija ;p

Mgetz

2:29 PM

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek us? Glad to hear your parents are in and helping you! :)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek tbf the swords aren't sharp, have to be bought from a very specific vendor and are only used in dress uniform

Journeyman Geek

they slightly halfassed it ;p

this young lady was the person who had the id that the friend's daughter we'd asked gave...

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz they look so happy, in the days before GDPR. :D

Mgetz

2:31 PM

@ShadowWizard USMC doesn't care about GDPR

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz looks like these days it's affecting any single human being. :/

Journeyman Geek

lol

@ShadowWizard more or less I need to bug them to keep me in the loop and to do things ;p

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard tbf the US Government doesn't seem to care about anyone these days (stopping right there)

Journeyman Geek

@Mgetz like what happened at the G7

Catija

Yay!

Mgetz

2:32 PM

@JourneymanGeek don't remind me...

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Catija no idea if they'll respond or how long or...

lol

Catija

In India?

Journeyman Geek

but other than two small details I need to confirm, she seems to be quite interesting

lol ya

speaks 4 languages, has a degree in french and apparently DIYs as a hobby

Catija

Wow. Nice. What kind of DIY?

Journeyman Geek

.... anyone with a degree in french in india has my respect

lol

I am SO going to ask if we talk

lol

Catija

2:34 PM

What other language?

Journeyman Geek

French, Marathi, Hindi and english, aside from tamil

Catija

Nice.

Journeyman Geek

(donno if she cooks - which is semi optional, and likes dogs, which is essential)

Catija

Does she work?

Journeyman Geek

in india? ya

lol

Probably would need to find a job here

Catija

2:38 PM

You had said your mom wanted someone who didn't, so I was curious.

Journeyman Geek

my mom wanted someone who did

I'm... not picky?

tbh I'm more concerned with personality

Cause anyone who moves over will need to start from scratch anyway, unless the company is super awesome, so employment in india dosen't mean she'll work here

and apparently they're trying to match horoscopes ._.

which I consider a waste of time but \o/

Somewhat Memorable Name

Too much SO influence... reading SO as "Stack Overflow" on IPS.SE never makes sense.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Catija

3:07 PM

Ah. I'm not sure how I got it backwards.

Journeyman Geek

lol

tbh, I had a "no internet matchmaking" condition everyone ignored

but ehhh

Catija

:)

rene

3:28 PM

@ShadowWizard do you have an MSE post to back that request? If not, do you mind posting one?

rene

3:51 PM

Anyway @ShadowWizard @TimStone PR is ready here

Shadow Wizard

4:12 PM

@rene nope, will write one soon

@rene thanks!

user392480

7:23 PM

hey guys! (human) community here

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o/

Shadow Wizard

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Q: SEDE doesn't age well (aka don't let users input their Birthday on SEDE and stop showing their age)

Stack Exchange has removed anything related to age from their live database recently, following the GDPR, in the database level, including in the tables used by SEDE. However, SEDE itself still let us put our birthday when editing our profile: More than that, when saving, age is actually ...

Did @TimStone also remove age from profile view?

(Missed that part before as I didn't think saving the birthday will actually work since SE removed the birthday column)

user392480

As if now, nope

Shadow Wizard

@CommunityNoDiamond. nope what?

user392480

data.stackexchange.com/users/28367/mulliganaceous

user392480

7:34 PM

The birthday part is still here

Shadow Wizard

@CommunityNoDiamond. I know, that's what the bug report is for... but Tim pushed a fix for the birthday input earlier.

4 hours ago, by rene

Anyway @ShadowWizard @TimStone PR is ready here

oh lol

> removed Age and Date of Birth from Edit and Show views to no longer render that field

Should read before asking next time, lol. :D

user392480

What about "Can this please be fixed so that SEDE is synchronized with Stack Exchange and not show/input anything related to age?" Will SEDE information be synchronized to the main sites?

rene

@CommunityNoDiamond. the way personal data is handled is synchronized, not the data itself.

user392480

okay. thanks

rene

That would add extra complexity for little gain

user392480

7:42 PM

How's ya day going, rene?

rene

It is going okay.

user392480

It is going fairly fine though.

user392480

I wonder what is with the deal with "pretending to be community"? My profile name and picture looks like the Community diamond user, except that I am not a community but a regular user

user392480

(I changed my name to Community No Diamond). Is "pretending" to be a community user" okay since it doesn't represent a user? I understand impersonation isn't allowed.

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Well, I am a trademark of my own :3

Undo

8:11 PM

Does anyone here know how the mechanisms around edits/rollbacks clearing spam/RA flags actually work?

I'm unable to get it to work at all

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sd why

Mithrandir

@Undo haffa mso testing thing?

Undo

@Mithrandir You can just play with any of my answers on (m)SO

You're unlikely to hurt me too much

Mithrandir

see, i can't edit on SO, so a CW sandbox would be nice

Undo

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A: Why was my custom flag declined? When should I use a custom flag?

I'm going to try to TL;DR Yvette's post. Note that I'm referring to post flags; comment flags are a different story and I mostly don't care about how you flag those: Do not use 'other' flags when it's reasonable to use a standard flag. It will not be handled faster, and there's a decent chance y...

Kinda visible, but no one's gonna complain

Or stackoverflow.com/a/14043216/1849664

3

A: iOS Settings screen ideas

A great site for backgrounds and patterns is Subtle Patterns. I have used this on several projects and love it!

Which I should probably delete anyway

Yep, no good

weiiiird

Mithrandir

8:16 PM

can you try rolling back now?

Undo

Doesn't work for me either

nope, still pending

Keep the flag around

...too late

nevermind

8:27 PM

Wanna roll this back, some uninvolved party? stackoverflow.com/posts/14043216/revisions

user392480

Just delete lorem ipsum. That is a community wiki post

Mithrandir

no, rollback

this is for testing stuffz

so... yeah

uninvolved party being not me, my sock, or Undo

user392480

hahaha

user392480

what are you working on rightn ow?

Mithrandir

Trying to see precisely effect of spam flags and rollbacks.

...prefer if it gets rollbacked before some SO mod not in the know comes and finds the case ;)

user392480

8:32 PM

Me just being a little busy on some candy crush analyzing software

user392480

Also, this is my first question: It didn't went too well since people will immediately see the question once it gets posted with no time to revise it later especially when it was very incomplete: stackoverflow.com/questions/49625536/…

Magisch

9:17 PM

@JourneymanGeek Is this your family? i.imgur.com/UTObI0i.mp4

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Shadow Wizard

10:16 PM

lol

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