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2:43 AM

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Evan Carroll

3:07 AM

Can someone migrate stackoverflow.com/questions/50356269/… to CS.SE?

I flagged a mod

You'd need a mod ;p

(Well technically or enough people with migrate votes if its a target)

Yup, totally needs a mod

Assuming that's a valid user migration target...

It isn't

Probably why the question is here... CMs are sort of mods. :P

Well sort of but they typically don't step into things like this?

3:17 AM

No. Certainly not...

and RC seems like an even better migration target but beta so that's not really a recommended option.

Nope.

4:02 AM

@Feeds deja vu

wut

oh, and err... morning?

Kevin B

ohhi

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:00 AM

Afternoon

5:13 AM

I actually wanted a response from SE about this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309913/…

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Why? I understand reporting it when it's occurring but why when it's over and back to normal?

Because there was no post-mortem report.

5:53 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Links to documentation in comments? by Girija on softwareengineering.SE

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog while good practice, stuff like that is for major incidents - not every single minor issue

6:14 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: What is the difference between CISM and CISA Certification? by user386948 on mathoverflow.net

6:47 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer: Is it possible to increase the resolution of an image without expensive software? by The Basics on superuser.com

@SmokeDetector f

@JourneymanGeek that latest SD report is no spam for me and the question kind of ask for these answers. Am I right?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: What is the issue my website is secure in firefox but not in google chrome? by Tarun Aarya on security.SE

7:02 AM

morning.

only two more

@rene looks borderline.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: What are the highest protein sources for vegetarians/vegans? by Megurin on vegetarianism.SE

@rene deleted as a link only answer. I should comment but eh. On my phone

7:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek okay

7:40 AM

oh, the joy of holding the Converter and then getting Guppy's Pawn in an item room...

Princess Luna

@JourneymanGeek SE said they were working on one though

8:01 AM

I don't see it there. This isn't the big outage of a few days back

8:12 AM

@PrincessLuna I believe the one that SE investigated was about full storage that affected the whole SO.chat, SE.chat, and SF ~~.chat~~ , not a single user getting logged out...

Yup

@JourneymanGeek My one gripe with deleting link only answers, is that from a google seo perspective, you are deleting pure search engine gold.

I mean, search engines love that type of connectivity.

Human created content that shows a link between human grammar, and a web site.

It pains me sometimes to see them deleted for the sole reason that there isn't a preview. Honestly, if there were one boxing for link only answers, it would solve the whole problem.

@TravisJ Wouldn't really, the problem is that the information isn't on stack (or in that question) not that it's harder to get to

Links break all the time

If it is a link only answer with a broken link, then it should be deleted.

Mithrandir

*~~with a broken link~~

8:24 AM

I agree that it should have more content than just the link, but is removing the link better than editing in the content?

I have found many deleted link only answers useful at Stack Overflow.

Isn't it ironic that in order to help the audience we would rather remove it entirely from them seeing it instead of editing it into place?

Mithrandir

ideally, anything should be edited. failing that... deleted

brokenlink.stackoverflow.com

@TravisJ I think the main problem is that links tend to not precisely answer a question. Often, when I encounter a link-only answer it is of the form "This 15 page document answers your question, somewhere". This simply isn't specific and makes it hard to evaluate the quality. If there is a short answer in the document, then write it out. If there isn't, the link isn't really a good fit as an answer.

"If you want to chat, go to Tavern on the Meta" vs "If you want to chat, go to that chat room"?

Your answer is probably on another castle

@Discretelizard It's true, the links are often not the best answer to a question. In fact, I would wager they are rarely the best answer and even less frequently accepted. However, that isn't to say they are useless.

8:34 AM

@TravisJ They can be useful, yes. But they simply aren't a good fit for this platform, I think. Similar to the case with questions: there are useful questions that aren't a good fit for the platform either.

@TravisJ I usually pair that up with a comment

@Discretelizard Or has our definition of "useful" strayed too far from what is actually of use?

@TravisJ sometimes you can fix up a post like that. This also kinda dosen't meet our standards for a software rec

Yeah... if it's useful, couldn't it be improved? Otherwise we're really just a replacer for search engine...

Yup

8:43 AM

@TravisJ Whether something is useful is mostly about the content. 'link-only' is a case of poor form that we usually don't tolerate, just like a post in French. Of course, it is the best to improve the form of the post if the content is useful. Unfortunately, the poor form makes it hard to check whether the content is useful.

If the content isn't useful, downvote it. I still don't see why the link would be removed unless it is completely unrelated to the topic. If the topic is simply generating a large amount of link only answers, then more than likely it is off topic.

must sleep, thanks for the thoughts @Discretelizard

Have a good night. And well, as I said, determining whether link only content is useful is hard when the content is somewhere in a 15 page document.

9:06 AM

@hey lately, this seems to apply to a lot of questions users have been making....

Q: Why did I not find out about the TOS change until now (two weeks later) and only from a Reddit post?

10:36 AM

7

Apparently the Stack Exchange terms changed two weeks ago. According to this the change went live on the second of May, and e-mails should have been sent "in the days ahead". Well, it's now two weeks later. The only e-mail I received from Stack Exchange recently is the one advertising Stack Over...

^ to be fair.... did anyone receive any for of email based alert and/or notification on the site?

18 hours ago, by user1114

Evan had spread the Good Word of Opting across Reddit.

@Derpy Planned: yes. Factual: no.

6-8 weeks >> 30 days.

Don't get me wrong, but this is something that they should really start to consider.

> You’ll get one of those annoying emails about it in the days ahead, but we wanted to give you a heads-up about it here now. -- 5 May, Original ToS meta post

I haven't gotten one either

> Well, it's now two weeks later
-- The post I just linked above

10:45 AM

I wonder if the original meta post is even visible now that it's at -235 and not featured anymore?

Was the TOS change actually in effect?

I thought it was planned.

Effect since 2 May, based on the original meta post

hence,

“This change is live as of late 2018-05-02” – Don’t you need to at least notify all users via email of this change? — poke May 5 at 12:43

oh boy

I didn't follow the continuation meta post, so I might miss if there's any update if it's postponed...

@Derpy I didn't

10:58 AM

now that I read it more carefully, how dark is this?

> In related news, I think our lawyer might be plotting my demise, if anything happens to me his name is a. -- Tim Post

@hey very dark

but yes, come to think of it, I have received a few emails regarding change of ToS from services that I use, but not yet from SO...

won't comment on the joke/stress outburst there, sadly I'm not in the position to give that any brain cpu cycles now.

I'll still stand my original statement. I understand they are now surfing a sea of pain and tears trying to sort this out.... but perhaps it would have been worth to complete the journey before enforcing the new ToS?

Maybe the new ToS doesn't allow them to send any more e-mails because you didn't get notified of the new ToS ....

something like that

There is a good joke in there

I think

You didn't allow them to remember your email, so they must pretend they don't know it

11:05 AM

Might need an edit

@JohnDvorak that sounds about right

@Derpy Their lawyers might have been like "this needs to be right at teams launch so either this or delay teams launch"

Which they may or may not be able to afford right now

(pure speculation)

@user5389107 which would only move the point to "that had to be sorted when they were planning teams launch"

hindsight is always 20/20

If that lawyer only told them that the day before Teams launch, the "didn't plan things out with enough time" problem is still there

@user5389107 nope, but don't try then to ignore you need eyeglasses

i can't pretend to know the timeline there

11:10 AM

What I mean is....

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/…

^ how many of these questions raising good concerns still haven't got not just an official answer but even a single "acknowledge the problem"?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Xbox 360 Open Tray Error After Replacing Drive by Joanne Clark on gaming.SE

Not sure

Maybe the lawyer they hired said: The EU? What is that? Never heard of it and why is it important.

Idk speculating about it isn't really productive

@SmokeDetector this Q&A site recently started spamming SE.

Let's spam our answers on there too (j/k)

11:20 AM

Best to stay put for now

@rene maybe he wasn't EU-social enough

@user5389107 but ... I'm good at it ... :(

@rene You can root your speculations in facts

Never though the day would come I'd say this here... but for once I am indeed the one not understanding what is so funny about the current handling the new ToS implementation is receiving.

We aren't laughing, are we?

11:30 AM

oh, so it was meant to be "resigned sarcasm"?

I wanted to lighten the depressed mood with a bad pun

It did not work.

11:43 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Bypass read-only SD card with missing 'Lock' slider by user905634 on superuser.com

Mithrandir

@user5389107 Next time try one that isn't so dark.

@user5389107 well, I guess I will return to my Destiny Board counter .

@Mithrandir A pun about rene's roots dark?

oof

12:10 PM

@user5389107 It is not Friday, no (f|p)un allowed

12:34 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How to remove personal data from PS3? by Geoff on gaming.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: How can components of a packaged food item exceed the net weight? by a deleted user on cooking.SE

1:06 PM

A nun carrying a bun having fun with pun under the sun? Better run because there's a gun.

(Now, where's my Friday?)

I'll migrate it to Iceland.se

1:55 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected: Shouldn't the electric field in a solid insulating sphere be linear with radius? by asd on physics.SE

2:14 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword in username, username similar to website in answer: How do I search all subdirectories to find one with a certain name? by Inter India Tours on unix.SE

2:49 PM

Can we know if a user got presented an Ask Question template? For example did they get one here? Or is that experiment on hold?

AFAIR, it was on hold after the experiment ended.

:(

Please 999999 upvotes and recover my reputation! — Dorian Niemiec 1 min ago

yeah ...

they also posted on meta

that is how I got there

I'm trying to be welcoming ...

Never knew it would be that hard ...

Just saw that NAA on meta... gave up after reading the comment thread .-.

3:04 PM

yeah ... I should have known. I've also edited out stuff were they claimed they were from Poland ...

3:45 PM

:/

That's a weird edit history.

Hey

Morning :D

How much longer am I going to have to keep track of you by your gravatar, anyway ? :P

I'm unsure if I'll change my name and ava back

Ever?

You could pick something new... a fresh start.

idk

3:48 PM

No pressure, though. :) Take your time to figure things out. I know there are a lot of feelings still around.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected: Where did this saying come from? " he/she wanted to know all the ins and outs of a cows backside" by user298962 on english.SE

@Catija I'm still a little sore and disappointed with myself because of the public ragequit

maybe... a more memorable number like user1774615...

JOHNNY RIVERS - Secret Agent Man 1966

We're just numbers here ...

Mgetz

►

3:59 PM

@user5389107 Yeah. I understand that. There's a reason that the saying exists "we are our own harshest critics"... take your time. I don't think you've done anything at this point that can't be undone and goodwill can be rebuilt with time and work. You've done a lot of really positive things for the network. You aren't perfect. That's OK. What's important is learning and growing. Next time, take time and think before acting.

@Derpy Well, it seems SE staff is at least aware that these issues need answering, even though they appeared to have been ignored so far. See the section "Thank you for your input regarding the new arbitration clause, though there’s still some confusion." in stackmod.blog/2018/05/…

If you did that already... take more time. :) It's all preventable if you give yourself the space to make rational decisions.

Anxiety is a garbage advisor

Mgetz

@Catija I have very few hard policies in my life, but one of them is "Never do anything you might regret tomorrow morning, until tomorrow morning"

I hate to say this, but the topbar in CM blog is... weird :/

4:03 PM

@user5389107 I went to a shrink and they told me after one session that I have bipolar/mood disorder. Though, I think they're basing that on my mom (who is definitely on meds for bipolar)... I also was in anger management as a kid... Based on what you've said recently about me, you'd probably be surprised to hear that... but I'm also 36... so I think I've had some time to come to grips with it.

If you have that you definitely don't show it

I like you because I can until now always count on you having a reasonable and rational take on any given situation

UNTIL NOW!!! ARE YOU SAYING THAT I'M NOT CURRENTLY BEING REASONABLE OR RATIONAL????

Hee hee... :P

I qualify almost everything

haha

Mgetz

@Catija Needs more cowbell

4:05 PM

even that

But I work at it... and I find places to vent. Andy hears more complaints about a site he doesn't use than is probably fair... and I talk privately with other people off site... it relieves the pressure and helps me stay level-headed... mostly.

4:24 PM

Joe is my Friend ...

I wonder how often he gets those sorts of responses.

The pun potential is endless

Friendly joe

ArtOfCode

he's not just any old joe