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user5389107

6:00 PM

Having a team with a broad sample of perspectives on the world is a strenght

Adam Lear

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Bret did some of that on Aviation, IIRC

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@AdamLear Who?

Adam Lear

Bret Copeland. he's a dev

NobodyNada

@user5389107 Sure, as long as those perspectives aren't "downvotes are bad" -- a lot of people not experienced with the site have perspectives that would actively harm the site

rene

@AdamLear you've been there IIRC so I won't nominate you, don't worry ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:01 PM

Since they aren't elected as a mod, they must get elected if they wish to continue moderating once their employment ends, right?

rene

If proven sane the diamond may turn-out to be sticky ...

NobodyNada

Of course we don't want all the staff to be identical clones who agree on everything, but hiring a CM who thinks we should be yahoo answers doesn't sound like a great idea

There's a sweet spot in between

user5389107

Nobody said that

rene

@NobodyNada That was my pitch .. .. :(

canon

look, it's unlikely they'll even survive the murder-house on-boarding seminar...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:03 PM

I'd hire Makyen as a CM, because he provides detailed explanations.

user5389107

But getting someone with a outside perspective could be valueable. It's easy to develop blindspots if all your employees in a team are of completly like mind.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@user5389107 I kind of "defected" when others spoke negatively about April's Medium post

user5389107

I really didn't like that post for various reasons but I can respect the intent

Then again my opinion is irrelevant

NobodyNada

@user5389107 My misunderstanding, the idea of SE staff saying "we need a new perspective" set off my alarm bells after the blog post

user5389107

@NobodyNada SE staff didn't say that iirc

I brought that up

Shog9

6:05 PM

@user5389107 no danger of that

user5389107

@Shog9 nice to hear :)

maybe you'll have more time with more hands on deck

Shog9

The value of an outside perspective is simply that: perspective. Being able to see the forest for the trees, or to use another familiar metaphor: being able to recognize the elephant.

NobodyNada

@user5389107 Right -- "the idea of SE staff saying ..."

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@user5389107 this sentence is confusing

Catija

@rene Nominate? Are you offering to write their resume and cover letter for them?

Shog9

6:06 PM

The four blind men all had different perspectives, but none of them were accurate.

Sometimes, that's how we operate as a company: long, bitter arguments over the nature of something that we're all completely wrong about.

user5389107

Maybe together through discourse they can formulate one that's less inaccurate, though

Shadow Wizard

Blind men? wondering what I missed

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

:6951304 K

SD K

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ K

Catija

Blind men and an elephant

The parable of the blind men and an elephant originated in the ancient Indian subcontinent, from where it has been widely diffused. However the meaning as popular proverb which derived in the history from original is different from the each other country or domain. It is a story of a group of blind men, who have never come across an elephant before and who learn and conceptualize what the elephant is like by touching it. Each blind man feels a different part of the elephant body, but only one part, such as the side or the tusk. They then describe the elephant based on their partial experience and...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

6:07 PM

I dunno if either of them worked

Jon Ericson

@ShadowWizard The elephant in the room.

user5389107

Nobody is entirely right but if you have a huge sample of different opinions and perspectives it's harder to be egregiously wrong on most things

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ doubt it

canon

@Shog9 how much time is actually spent discussing Q&A versus other initiatives?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Not K

user5389107

6:08 PM

Since some of that cancels each other out and people take more kindly to suggestions and arguments from respected coworkers then strangers

Shadow Wizard

@JonEricson elephant?! Where?! running away in panic :D

Shog9

@canon I have no idea

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Catija SO is a grumpy elephant

user5389107

Thats what well meaning people mean when they say "diversity is a strenght" well it really is

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ !K

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

6:08 PM

@ShadowWizard JK

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ JFK

Jon Ericson

@ShadowWizard I wouldn't worry too much. I can't see it.

Shog9

@user5389107 that works extremely well when everyone is able to make a slightly-inaccurate observation. It doesn't work at all when no one is able to observe, or everyone's perspective skews in the same direction but to differing degrees.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JonEricson doesn't help. You're riding it!

user5389107

@Shog9 hence the diversity thing. Not just traditional diversity but diversity of opinion

It's good to have people you respect that you really don't agree with on a lot

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

6:10 PM

@ShadowWizard KFC

user5389107

It provides a good spot to hone your own perspective and make fewer mistakes ... it's easy to jump to conclusions and get things wrong in the meanwhile when everyone is looking at a problem from the same angle

The job description sounds like y'all will be inundated by hundreds of applications

Mgetz

6:25 PM

@Shog9 yeah I can see this being an issue, particularly about things like voting. Sometimes there are no good answers, the true genius is finding solutions to those problems.

πάντα ῥεῖ

So I'll take that last chat suspension as a hint, that debate about any particular person, even if standing in symbolically for a particular opinion or stance, is taken as inappropriate content. Right?

rene

@Catija if that is what it takes ;)

Catija

@rene HAHA. Have fun with that. :P

Shog9

@Mgetz yeah, voting is always fun to argue about because it lets you focus on a mechanic instead of a problem.

"These lawn darts are too dangerous; when kids throw them at each other, they get hurt."

...but why are the kids throwing obviously dangerous objects at each other?

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ yum

@JonEricson you need ~~glasses~~ @Bart

Catija

6:32 PM

@Shog9 Why are kids eating cinnamon or Tide pods?

Shog9

@Catija those aren't kids, they're Millennials - they're like... 30 or something now.

I blame the parents

Shadow Wizard

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Martin James's fault.

Shadow Wizard

^

Catija

I'm a millennial and I don't do that.

Kevin B

6:33 PM

i mean... i've shot bottle rockets at friends in the streets

Shadow Wizard

What is "millennial"?

Kevin B

same thing right?

Shog9

@KevinB naw, shooting bottle rockets at friends is what bottle rockets are made for.

Good fun for everyone.

Shadow Wizard

I shot paper balls at "friends" back in highschool

Shog9

Also, the intended purpose of roman candles is target practice involving pole-mounted transformers

Mgetz

6:35 PM

@Shog9 Well I would say it's a black hole of a problemspace, the issue is finding the solution space

Catija

> Anyone born between 1981 and 1996 (ages 22 to 37 in 2018) will be considered a Millennial

Mgetz

@Catija Sadly that would be me

πάντα ῥεῖ

Why exactly? I'd guessed born after 2000

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Catija shucks, I'm 1998

Shadow Wizard

@Catija missed it in 3 years. What does it make me?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

6:37 PM

@ShadowWizard Millennial+

Shadow Wizard

lol

user5389107

I'm a millenial ... barely

Shog9

Well, clearly the Tavern folk are suffering from a severe cinnamon and Tide-pod deficiency, no doubt resulting in alienation and feelings of detachment. Best get your supplements!

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard if you're before you're "Gen Y"

NobodyNada

@ShadowWizard born before the millennial "cutoff" makes you Generation X, after is Gen Z IIRC

Catija

6:37 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ Graduated from high school around the millennium and after (?)... I was born in '82 and graduated from HS in 2000. That's how I've always interpreted it... people becoming adults starting around 2000.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Shog9 I saw a post on Drupal the other day. On it

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz well, I'm not 19... would be creepy to become a father at age of 12. ;)

user5389107

A friend of mine tried the cinnamon challenge and had to go to the doctor because of incessant coughing

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It's great that Drupal covers lots of different topics with ease

Shadow Wizard

@NobodyNada what will come after Z?

Mgetz

6:38 PM

@ShadowWizard Gen Y is pre 1981?

IIRC

πάντα ῥεῖ

Ah, the graduation it is. I had something like that in mind. But don't underestimate the environments toddlers are grown up with.

Catija

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Foof, thought I'm slacking off

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz so Gen A is... 1800 or so? I don't really get all of this. :/

NobodyNada

@ShadowWizard shrug

Adam Lear

6:39 PM

@ShadowWizard the Excel model. AA, AB, etc

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard nor do I

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

So how long before my generation is blamed for world problems?

Catija

That image is from this article: pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/01/…

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ you will be great daddy no worry

πάντα ῥεῖ

So I'm with the "boomers"

Martin James

6:40 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ The world's problems are the fault of your generation.

user5389107

I kind of want to know how many applications they get for the CM spot

NobodyNada

@Mgetz Millennials are Gen Y, before is X

Shadow Wizard

@user5389107 6-8 of course

πάντα ῥεῖ

@MartinJames Popular trend is to blame the former generation.

Shadow Wizard

@AdamLear very simple

Mgetz

6:42 PM

@AdamLear so eventually there will be a gen YYZ

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz and XXX

when reaching ZZZ everyone will fall asleep.

Mgetz

@ShadowWizard The kinky generation

Shadow Wizard

@Mgetz oh yeah

:P

Shog9

For a while it looked like the Paperclip Machines would destroy us, since they wanted to turn the whole universe into paperclips, but they abruptly lost interest in paperclips the moment their parents' generation got into making them, too.

canon

is that, "generation fried shrimp?"

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

6:43 PM

@MartinJames but now I'm supposed to be controlling it

Something's broken here

user5389107

"The hovering ones" rofl

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 unexplained gap between 2162 and 2359

Time travel?

Or wet wipes? Both can explain anything.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

No, we succeeded in simulating an apocalypse

And since we're not bacteria, takes some time to repopulate Earth

Shadow Wizard

oh

Why bother with Earth though?

just old ruined planet.

Kevin B

because at that point it still has billions of years to go

canon

6:47 PM

Our Eden is out there...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard the other living beings know we're arseholes already

Shog9

@ShadowWizard Generation Omega harnessed the power of a supernova to extend its life indefinitely or until Rassilon lost a fight with Kirk

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ "other"?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard see what I mean? :p

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 you watch too much SF

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

6:49 PM

@ShadowWizard actually, you watch too little

Shog9

Mostly I just read the SFF site. But only for the spoilers.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Addicting innit?

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ it's more about quality, not quantity

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard so you only watch the trailers

Shog9

Spoilers are the best thing on the Internet: read enough of them and you can stop wasting all that time watching movies, tv, books...

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Shadow Wizard

6:50 PM

@Shog9 so how does it end?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ you got me :D

Shog9

@ShadowWizard Picard gives a long impassioned speech about recognizing the shared goals among us all while Ace wacks robots with a baseball bat.

Discrete lizard

@NobodyNada That is possible to give a warning doesn't mean they will. I do know the local relevant regulator in my (EU) country said that they would fine elementary schools in case they saw that nothing was done. Of course, this likely isn't comparable, but well, let's just say there are risks involved with a 'we will see'-attitude and I don't think size matters.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 Saves a lotta time (which is a spare good)

Discrete lizard

@Shog9 Easy way to get all those tricky pop-culture references.

Catija

@Shog9 MSE questions about spoilers in the HNQ would indicate that your view is not universal.

Shog9

6:52 PM

@Discretelizard it's the only way. I'm pretty sure 90% of memes are based on scenes that played while I was getting a soda.

@Catija people just don't know what's good for 'em.

canon

@Shog9 like a little tough love when they ask a poor question! ducks

Shog9

It builds character

user5389107

Any chance on picking the MSE town halls back up sooN?

Catija

There was a really great article written by a film reviewer... he'd written a review about Jurassic World and part of the review complained about there being too many leaps of logic... an issue with the plot not giving proper indication of a future event making the event seem sudden and nonsensical... when, it turned out, that he'd been out of the theater when that foreshadowing happened...

Shog9

Movie theaters really need a DVR function

@user5389107 predicated on hiring someone who wants to run them

Catija

6:56 PM

I think the goal was to point out the film reviewers don't necessarily do a film justice by staying in the theater and basing their reviews on the entire film.

user5389107

If I had more then a billionth of a chance I might apply

canon

@user5389107 yeah, if we need a rabbling outlet since we can't rabble at new users anymore.

Shog9

@Catija clearly they should review based on the trailer, since folks will tend to watch the whole thing through at least once. Also, the editing will probably be better.

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 sounds just right.

Catija

Everyone knows the funniest parts are always in the trailer, anyway.

Shog9

7:00 PM

Best movie of 2017: the trailer for Jumanji

Catija

You mean the new one with The Rock?

Shadow Wizard

@Catija not in Avengers, at least for me

πάντα ῥεῖ

Maybe there aren't any funny parts in Avengers?

Catija

Oh, there definitely are.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Spoil me plz ;)

Shog9

7:05 PM

I liked the Bob Ross trailer for Deadpool. Not sure how the movie can possibly live up to it.

Catija

I don't know... but I've got tickets to skip work and see it Friday morning.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Wait Bob Ross trailer? That "Bob Ross" (the painting teacher genius)??

Catija

Yes

Deadpool 2 "Bob Ross" Teaser Trailer

►

πάντα ῥεῖ

> Beating Satan off our brush

:-D

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ Giant Imp

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

7:12 PM

@Catija :( me no can see

Catija

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Sorry :(

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@πάνταῥεῖ the last film?

πάντα ῥεῖ

At least that Trailer is great :-D

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I used to rely on my VPN, they've found a way to block it

πάντα ῥεῖ

I'm not a very Avengers fan in general.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

7:14 PM

So I have no VPN for now

Mgetz

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ IPv6 IPSec tunnel?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Mgetz Yyyyyes? I love that car

πάντα ῥεῖ

But a very "Bob Ross" fan though. That guy (while denying anything else he said along what he was doing on the canvas) influenced me a lot.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

0-100 in 2.8 seconds

Mgetz

Nevermind

Shadow Wizard

7:16 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ what alternatives you have, if any? (to images, vids hosting)

Catija

He was like Mr. Rogers... such a positive outlook, welcoming, kind. Good person.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@πάνταῥεῖ Deadpool isn't an Avenger

That'd be relentless on the PG rating

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija Yup! And their techniques are just great and amazing.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard you mean an alternative to YouTube?

Catija

Deadpool is owned by Sony, not Disney. Theoretically, they could combine eventually but that'd be problematic for Scarlet Witch...

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:18 PM

He's got me started working with big brushes and palette knives.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I wonder, how long does it take for moderator flags to be handled on Meta?

Shog9

6-8 weeks

canon

@Shog9 alt+0153

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ well, any site that can host videos that you can watch

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ true, Avengers only kick butts, not showing them.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog it might be personal

I had a time when my flags took over months, so I gave up.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Here's one of that pictures I created using B.R.'s tecnique (Visual Archetypes, "Rectangle" (2002, acrylic color on canvas)):

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:24 PM

2 hours ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

No, I wish Shog would explain things very detailed much like Makyen.

Catija

I've always assumed it depends on the type of flag... some things are obvious and easy if there's a CM available to poke at them... but, for example, I have a faq-proposed flagged for review, which I can imagine would take some time to consider and review before following through on.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I have a flag from last month that still needs to be handled

Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog who is makyen?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Sometimes pictures tell more than a 1000 words.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 A user who always provides detailed explanations for everything and answers my questions literally.

Mithrandir

7:27 PM

Makyen

18.1k 8 32 54

Shog9

Then why wouldn't you wish for makyen to answer your question?

@πάνταῥεῖ nice

πάντα ῥεῖ

Ask particular users for answers.

Well known declined FR

Shadow Wizard

Well, Nick sometimes give answers with tons of technical details.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 I hope you get some of my background and mindset from that pic ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 Because he doesn't have access to the code

Can he handle moderator flags on Meta? No.

Mithrandir

7:31 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ sorta implemented in Teams

πάντα ῥεῖ

Sorta, yes. But I found that mentorship programme more suitable for a not that closed public audience.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard well, only crappy sites that host videos no one watches

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 Why did you diminish yourself that much in your recent tweet?

> Think you can do my job better than me?
>
> Well, you're probably right.

I believe you ever done a good job about that. Any self doubts?

Shog9

I think some people get intimidated and never apply to jobs like this.

They shouldn't.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Probably!

user5389107

7:36 PM

@Shog9 Probably for the best. Lest someone would need to skim my resume before binning it.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@πάνταῥεῖ context pls, for us censored peasants

Shog9

I'm an old C coder with no social skills; if I can do this, you can probably do better

user5389107

But it's not you vs me

Mithrandir

Think you can do my job better than me? Well, you're probably right. Wanna prove it? https://stackoverflow.com/company/work-here/1161802/community-manager

Tweeted by shog9 on May 14, 2018 at 5:24 PM

user5389107

It's me vs every other qualified applicant

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:37 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Just follow Shog at twitter if you like to. He's got something to say.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Oh, I thought you pinged @Sha

user5389107

You got this job through having proven yourself before

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@πάνταῥεῖ I can't

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 How did you survive without any social skills?

Shog9

It's not a cage match.

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:38 PM

???

Shog9

We don't break a pool queue and hire the last applicant standing

Mithrandir

Sometimes... being blunt can be an asset.

user5389107

The hiring process kind of is - assuming due diligence

πάντα ῥεῖ

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ What a pity.

Shog9

The biggest hurdle isn't the other candidates, it's you... Followed by whoever interviews you.

Catija

7:40 PM

@Shog9 Of course not... you just pull it out of the case and it's already in two parts.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@πάνταῥεῖ I don't know what it is, but it's pretty annoying

user5389107

For me the biggest hurdle would be getting an interview

I'm reasonably competent in interviews - even got hired at the central bank once, but getting there is the challenge

Mithrandir

goes to apply, realizes I can't be legally hired for the next two and bit years

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Mithrandir Ha ha ha

user5389107

I just realized I haven't updated my resume in 3 years

dear lord

Shog9

7:42 PM

For the folks here who've participated on meta for a bit, figure you've already written your resume. Your work is out there, speaking for itself; you just have to corroborate it.

πάντα ῥεῖ

If @Shog9,- or one of the other elephants -, might consider to confirm my recent question/self answer please:

1 hour ago, by πάντα ῥεῖ

So I'll take that last chat suspension as a hint, that debate about any particular person, even if standing in symbolically for a particular opinion or stance, is taken as inappropriate content. Right?

user5389107

I'd assume they'd still want to see a CV though

Catija

Pretend that they're hiring all the great candidates and go from there. Whether they're hiring one or twenty, it shouldn't diminish your qualifications...

Shog9

@πάνταῥεῖ I can't parse that

Mithrandir

@πάνταῥεῖ Targeting specific users is almost always discouraged. Talking about an opinion is different from talking about a person who holds that opinion.

user5389107

7:43 PM

Being brutally honest I'm unsure if I have what it takes, I'd love that job but I'm not sure if I'm cut out for it

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@πάνταῥεῖ you were objectively not nice

Catija

@user5389107 I've heard a lot of people say that today.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It wasn't a discussion aimed at stances, but people

user5389107

Probably because it's a one in a million job and nobody sees themselves as one in a million

Mithrandir

"people with strange characters in their usernames are annoying" is different from "people like @πάνταῥεῖ with strange characters in their usernames are annoying".

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

7:44 PM

Being brutally honest I'm unsure if I have what it takes, I'd love that job but I'm not sure if I'm cut out for it

@Cat ++

Catija

There are... two people... who I know of who will apply for this position without hesitation... pretty much everyone else seems to doubt themselves.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 I was kicked for 30mins because posting inappropriate content, mainly because mentioning a particular name most probably.

Shog9

@πάνταῥεῖ oh. Well, don't do that then

Mithrandir

@Catija Geek and Monica?

Catija

@Mithrandir Yup.

Mithrandir

7:45 PM

You should apply.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 That was what I expected, THX.

user5389107

@Catija That competition is a huge doubt factor, I'd wager

It's like in moderator elections

You're confident you can do it until there's 15 people who are on the face of it infinitely better qualified then you are

Catija

That's why I said to tell yourself that there are many positions... if there are several, whether the other people apply is sort of irrelevant...

@user5389107 I've seen very few mod elections where that's the case. Usually it's a matter of there being two slots and three good candidates.

Shog9

@Catija that's always the case. Guess what: we all doubt ourselves. There's no roadmap for most of this; when there is, it's drawn on the back of a napkin in crayon and no one's sure if "X" marks buried treasure or dragons.

Mithrandir

There are very few people aside from the current staff who put as much effort, time, and energy into SE like @Catija. You should at least get paid for it.

Shog9

7:48 PM

An awful lot of this job is just being willing to speak up when something needs to be said, even when you're not sure what to say or how to say it.

The rest is listening.

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Catija

@Shog9 I didn't say that it wasn't common. Heck, I've had to fight myself into applying for every job I've ever gotten... and I've been offered jobs where I had no clue I'd even been a contender... like when I got the offer to go from an internship to a paid job with the Casting Director... There were three other people I was interning with and I was certain that they'd all be considered ahead of me...

@Mithrandir I really appreciate the vote of confidence. :)

user5389107

You almost convinced me to give it a shot shog

Even if just to see the supposedly awesome rejection emails SE sends

Mithrandir

Don't fall victim to Imposter Syndrome.

πάντα ῥεῖ

^That goes quickly downwards, yes!

Mgetz

@Catija I wouldn't want to be an SE CM... I'm no good at slaying dragons

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:52 PM

@Shog9 That's probably one of the toughest parts I believe.

Shog9

I'm not gonna lie; this is not always a very fun job. You're constantly being pulled in multiple directions and a lot of the folks doing the pulling aren't very nice about it.

But... You get to work with a team of people who are all in the same place, and willing to support you when you need it. And that makes up for a lot.

And frankly... at the end of the day, it's a job - you get paid because it's work. If it sounds like work that you could live with getting paid to do, you should apply; if nothing else, it's an excuse to write a cover letter wherein you brag about yourself.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Good stance for a job to do (daily)!

Catija

You make bragging sound like a good thing... :/

Shog9

Hey, I'm a narcissist - talking about my self is my favorite pastime.

(spelling, OTOH...)

πάντα ῥεῖ

LOL

user5389107

7:56 PM

I might just apply for this, maybe I'll even get an interview