@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I think you need a good pair of Bart if you are mistaking beautiful gray ponies for recolored hedgehog that were purple-ish and now are bright pink.
According to the Be nice policy:
Language likely to offend or alienate individuals or groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. will not be tolerated. At all. (Those are just a few examples; when in doubt, just don't.)
I have recently flagged a comment that was saying...
@user5389107 the hinduism site just has too much drama :(
also, I think we mostly get along
I think vaishnavites are awesome and the smaller temples in my part of the south have this lovely tradition of telling folks who walk in about the local deity
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog do you even need a disguise? During SA1 they were basically having a pajama party on the egg-carrier and he almost didn't notice it.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog that is the company that said that Knuckles and Sonic stories in Sonic & Knuckles happen at the same time. They don't seem to understand reality, go figure now what "canon" is in their vision :P
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog does "Let promise the old man a weapon of mass destruction in order to achieve my revenge against the world" count as "working for"?
@JourneymanGeek understanding is second thing. If someone says be nice, others say don't divert the topic in the name of rules and policies. What can we do with it?
@JourneymanGeek You once claimed here that you never had to provide any sort of explanations to your actions. Did you do that in real life too, if I may ask?
@JourneymanGeek Do we do everything for helping site? - This is actually a comment on meta. There are many things people are interested other than site.
I thought of something scary about SOfT. Is the private Q&A really private, without any periodical monitoring from staffs? What if a syndicate of drug dealer uses it?
If you don't know an answer, why don't you simply pass-by?
Your meta-question (quoted above) is based upon the assumption that the question you asked on the main site meets our criteria for what a valid question is.
IF you asked a question that is:
On-topic,
Answerable (with something oth...
@ShadowWizard the obvious and easy line is a drama/controversial tweet from a user with 1000 or more followers that got retweeted over 50 times. The rest is "play by ear" :(
@SmokeDetector if my onternet is good, I saw this post got nuked at -2. Curious if it's done by a mod or a staff... (which, either way, they recognized this kind of trolling?)
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@user5389107 Solution: find emails of the management team and send your complaints directly, so the CMs don't need to unfairly bear the burden.
> I would like tips or help for the processing of the American visa. They recommended an office in Guadalajara but I do not know if someone has already done business with them. This is the page: American visa Any help?
Or well, that's what they claim... I don't know, maybe I don't know what's spam anymore, but I thought it required someone trying to sell or advocate something
@πάνταῥεῖ yeah, I usually refrain from editing a message when there are ping targets, because those who use desktop notification could get annoyed with... those notifications reappearing multiple times every time it gets edited ._.
(and that's also the reason why I seldom pinging in general)
@Catija Well, if not for the 1st comment be it any, anyways. My point is that we should encourage users to answer questions, instead of asking for more clarification in inappropriate ways. There's already a close reason for this, and the text shown to the OP is under control of a community consensus. If a comment really helps the OP and they change their post, and it receives a positive score afterwards, I am open for all kinds of refunds as mentioned.
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@πάνταῥεῖ I'm pretty sure that I've already mentioned that I think your idea is arbitrary and... just not good. Charging only for the first comment makes no sense to me. — Catija6 mins ago
@Catija I could even think about a doubling charge for each comment left in an exponential manner :-D. In the spirit of avoid long discussions in comments.
But there needs to be done something mechanical and additional instead of plain flag moderation.
Comments aren't those 2nd class citizens anymore, the company promoted them years ago.
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't really think that charging for comments is the answer we need. I'm going to really be interested in seeing whether changing the "ask a comment" text will help.
Tem havido bastante conteúdo no Stack Exchange no meu ponto de vista no minimo polemico.
Ora vejam:
"Stack Overflow Isn't Very Welcoming" especially [...] marginalized groups?
Does Stack Exchange have an ethical responsibility to address global discrimination and marginalisation?
Moderator ba...
minirant of the day: At SO scales, technical changes are the best - and possibly only - way to effect social changes. Moderators have always been pretty rough on this kind of content. We can draw a slightly harder line, but it's not going to be the huge change folks need.
Acho ótimo que nós estamos, finalmente, admitindo que o SO tem um problema histórico com diversidade e inclusão, e fazendo alguma coisa pra lidar com o problema. Já tinha passado da hora.
Espero que o SOpt siga o mesmo caminho.
Demorou bastante pra empresa dar todo o apoio necessário às equipes...
Broadly related to the blog post in a "what even can we do?" mentality. Conclusion I always come to is that any purely social change isn't feasible. Gotta put up technical rails first.
Like better comment tooling, or question templates.
I tend to agree with what I've heard a few people say in here... it's not going to be possible through completely technical or social changes... either are only half of the problem... for example... we have flags for comments... how many people actually use them? I get lots of comment flags on IPS because we repeatedly tell people to flag stuff.
So, the social change is getting people to act and making sure that the moderators are on the same page when it comes to what an acceptable comment is...
but the technical solution already exists... though it could be improved, too.
@Catija Yep. Figure out what social change you want (which we still have to do, IMO), then figure out what you need to build to get there
@Catija Comment flags simply don't scale on SO. Tooling works fine on smaller sites, but it just doesn't work when you're staring down 200+ comment flags.
It relies on opening each post individually to get context. No one has time for that on SO, though it works fine when you have two or three comment flags a day.
@Undo That is problematic, sure... but if there's a wider flagging society in place, many more comments will be flagged by sufficient users to not need moderator intervention at all.
SO is pretty good at getting at least one flag on a bunch of nasty comments. Trick is whether they get a flag on all the bad comments in a thread - we only see that one comment, so if we don't open the post... you end up with stuff left over
@Undo And that's where the mod info is lacking... only the CMs can see that data. We really need an admin page for comments - user deleted, flagged (by reason), self-deleted, most flagged users... etc.
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't think that's true... when the link you're looking for usually says "add a comment", you're going to notice that it says "suggest improvements" instead...
And that may take a few months to actually see... many users are used to years of the comment text reading the way it does... but it's like a mantra... the more you see it, the more likely it is going to change your thinking (even subconsciously) about what comments are for.
I didn't say anything about second class citizens?
I think that, even internally, the value of comments is recognized. The "second class" nature is more about how we're not really picky about deleting comments that aren't useful and less about comments being useful.
And this isn't IRC or Slack, where none of those comments are public and most of 'em become inaccessible after a short time. 90% of comments remain visible to anyone on the 'net
@rene for the rest of the network:
PctDeletedComments PctFlaggedComments PctDeletedCommentsFlagged Site Name
------------------ ------------------ ------------------------- ---------
11.532263168913 1.989882612992 16.359875031664 Super User
6.927017085496 1.137887173845 13.912324234904 Server Fault
13.207547169811 2.156334231805 14.285714285714 Stack Apps
12.244086662691 2.219571987013 16.720779220779 Cooking
7.500385369183 1.662592763867 21.25660598943 Home Improvement
Getting rid of comments entirely is a horrible choice for SE because it leaves us no way to ask for detail in a question or get clarification in an answer... it'd lead to something worse... people using answers for it...
Um...the comment un-hiding button on IPS still refers to them as "comments". On Area 51, it shows as "show [x] improvement suggestions". Is IPS going to get that fixed?
@Shog9 I think the one thing that this doesn't show (unless your headers just don't give the info) is what percentage of deleted comments were deleted by flags without moderator involvement? So, single rude flags or three+ NLN/rude flags?
@Shog9 No, your last post is totally different. Your second-to-last post is about it, but it doesn't explain why the button to un-collapse comments shows as "show [x] more comments" instead of "show [x] improvement suggestions" as it does on Area 51.
I've been assuming that it's something they'll change eventually, if the test is considered a success and they start rolling it out more widely. I'm not sure that all sites will want the change but making it network-wide may be more effective.
According to the Be nice policy:
Language likely to offend or alienate individuals or groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. will not be tolerated. At all. (Those are just a few examples; when in doubt, just don't.)
I have recently flagged a comment that was saying...
If you don't know an answer, why don't you simply pass-by?
Your meta-question (quoted above) is based upon the assumption that the question you asked on the main site meets our criteria for what a valid question is.
IF you asked a question that is:
On-topic,
Answerable (with something oth...
Tem havido bastante conteúdo no Stack Exchange no meu ponto de vista no minimo polemico.
Ora vejam:
"Stack Overflow Isn't Very Welcoming" especially [...] marginalized groups?
Does Stack Exchange have an ethical responsibility to address global discrimination and marginalisation?
Moderator ba...
Acho ótimo que nós estamos, finalmente, admitindo que o SO tem um problema histórico com diversidade e inclusão, e fazendo alguma coisa pra lidar com o problema. Já tinha passado da hora.
Espero que o SOpt siga o mesmo caminho.
Demorou bastante pra empresa dar todo o apoio necessário às equipes...
