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10:00 AM

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rene

@JourneymanGeek anything you want me to add here?

Journeyman Geek

@rene yanno how they say if you have nothing good to say you should say nothing at all? ;p

Suraj Rao

@JourneymanGeek one of your lost puppies :P

Journeyman Geek

OH

I didn't see the link

ah

@rene quite literally nothing I can do for him

Sooo. no, nothing to add too

rene

10:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek I assumed so. Thanks for checking.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek What did you think?

Derpy

11:05 AM

do c# decimals secretly carry with them some info about the number of digits they were defined with?

Derpy

11:33 AM

^ if someone is interested, this is why I was asking

rene

11:56 AM

Marc's comment is all there is to say

hey

Why? smells like POB (j/k, or not)

But it seems to make sense for decimal to carry the information regarding the mantissa if it's used for currency

or following how decimal is defined in MS SQL

that said, I'm not a C# programmer

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shadow has been rescued from the clutches of Dr. Eggman!

Shadow Wizard

12:12 PM

Oh, good to see someone still remembers me! :D

How much drama did I miss here? ;)

hey

honestly, I really feel time flies...

Shadow Wizard

lol

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Amy flirted with me...twice. And I didn't like it.

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Amy is... @Princess? (the human one ;))

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard very little ;p

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

12:13 PM

@ShadowWizard No, that's Rouge...@Derpy is Amy

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog ohhh.. lol, didn't see that coming!

user5389107

@ShadowWizard I'm glad you made amends though

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shadow And to think, you and Rouge used to work for Eggman, until Amy mistook you for me

@Shadow I hope you received my apology

...earlier, for making those comments about you making a mockery of this and that.

rene

@hey yeah, I assume the C# decimal type is modeled similar as the MS SQL type to make mapping trivial.

Derpy

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I think you need a good pair of Bart if you are mistaking beautiful gray ponies for recolored hedgehog that were purple-ish and now are bright pink.

Princess Luna

12:20 PM

throw new ColorOverflowException()

Derpy

Must be genetic. After all the other one can't seem to distinguish a black hedgehog from a blue one. Perhaps hedgehogs can't distinguish colors?

(or spike shapes. Or shoes)

Princess Luna

//lmgtfy do hedgehogs see color

user359686

google.com/search?q=do+hedgehogs+see+color

Derpy

12:40 PM

@PrincessLuna does she also come with a //raiseTheSun command?

Journeyman Geek

PRAISE THE SUN!

user5389107

@JourneymanGeek praise dog

Journeyman Geek

woof!

Princess Luna

@Derpy It does now :3

user5389107

@JourneymanGeek also praise these

Mithrandir

12:42 PM

"no hotlinking"

Derpy

and that is another of the reason for not having automatic oneboxing on the chat.

Journeyman Geek

PRAISE THE PLACEHOLDERS!

Derpy

//raiseTheSun

user359686

NO!

Derpy

.......

that's not the MLP movie, you know.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

12:53 PM

@Derpy You're just wearing a disguise.

@Derpy Not even a "Silver" one.

Nog Shine

3

Q: What posts/comments fall under bigotry of any kind?

According to the Be nice policy: Language likely to offend or alienate individuals or groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. will not be tolerated. At all. (Those are just a few examples; when in doubt, just don't.) I have recently flagged a comment that was saying...

discussion

Anyone to answer? Looks at a pup with mod hat

user202362

what is 'Extension of indications' when it comes to new medicine does anyone know?

Journeyman Geek

sigh

I think I'll see what the local mods have to say first ;p

Derpy

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog the MLP fan in the Sonic universe is Eggman, not Amy

Journeyman Geek

Cause my first reaction is "WHY CAN YOU PEOPLE NOT PLAY NICE? THIS MAKES US LOOK BAD"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

12:57 PM

@Derpy She has a disguise so she can sneak out of Eggman's lair should she get trapped again

Nog Shine

Does anyone play Sonic Dash?

user5389107

@JourneymanGeek Consider that within the context of a religion, it's impossible for one sect not to percieve the other as bigoted

Journeyman Geek

@user5389107 the hinduism site just has too much drama :(

also, I think we mostly get along

I think vaishnavites are awesome and the smaller temples in my part of the south have this lovely tradition of telling folks who walk in about the local deity

user5389107

@JourneymanGeek By steering away from topics that divide us, I think

Journeyman Geek

@user5389107 Consider Mi Yodeya or christianity.

They seem ok

heck, judaism actually does very practical rules interpretation questions that work very well on the SE platform

user5389107

12:59 PM

With a herculean effort, strict topicality requirements, strict "No preaching" requirements and a metric ton of community moderation

Journeyman Geek

the third isn't an issue?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

meta.stackexchange.com/posts/256664/revisions

user5389107

none of those are

Journeyman Geek

Outside folk who want to pick and choose scripture

Derpy

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog do you even need a disguise? During SA1 they were basically having a pajama party on the egg-carrier and he almost didn't notice it.

user5389107

1:00 PM

it's just what I meant by "steering clear from what divides us"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Sonic Boom isn't canon, by the way.

user5389107

I don't envy tim post right now

His job just got increasingly more difficult balancing interests while being bashed from both sides

3

Journeyman Geek

@user5389107 or most of the CM team

SmokeDetector

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

see: hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/16251/…

user5389107

1:03 PM

must feel like being a playground monitor with 2 fighting kids

Journeyman Geek

yup

user5389107

except the kids have baseball bats and are grown adults

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek good! I guess...

user5389107

and you have a sign that says "please be nice to each other"

Shadow Wizard

@user5389107 thanks! You saw the tweet(s)?

Journeyman Geek

1:04 PM

@NogShine the problem with questions like that is they literally want an answer to bash people over the head with

user5389107

@ShadowWizard yah

Derpy

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog that is the company that said that Knuckles and Sonic stories in Sonic & Knuckles happen at the same time. They don't seem to understand reality, go figure now what "canon" is in their vision :P

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yup, got it

Nog Shine

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Sigh. Users don't know Be Nice policy there. That's the first reason.

Journeyman Geek

Know is one thing

But you actually need to understand why its important

user5389107

1:06 PM

@NogShine I'm pretty sure I know the policy by the word by now. Understanding how to apply it properly has proven ... challenging

Journeyman Geek

Yup

What's nice even mean? ;p

user5389107

I have a tendency to take everything literally so the nuance of it is trial and error based

Journeyman Geek

I mean, I guess I have it easy

I've seen what the opposite is, especially in positions of authority.

I've also seen exactly what I can be at my worst.

I just... do the opposite ;p

Derpy

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog does "Let promise the old man a weapon of mass destruction in order to achieve my revenge against the world" count as "working for"?

Nog Shine

@JourneymanGeek understanding is second thing. If someone says be nice, others say don't divert the topic in the name of rules and policies. What can we do with it?

Journeyman Geek

1:09 PM

@NogShine I guess people need to work out two things.

Does being right mean more than the overall health of the site

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Derpy Well, Rouge was really an agent working for G.U.N.

user5389107

@JourneymanGeek you see me when I get heated

Journeyman Geek

and why they're on the site.

@user5389107 true.

See? You get mad.

user5389107

room for improvement

Journeyman Geek

I get mad. or sarcastic.

user5389107

1:10 PM

I need to work on not actualizing that anger into comments better

Derpy

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog that took her time pursuing a different emerald than the ones she was meant to protect :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

I mean in real life.

Derpy

nope, she was there just for the gems.

Journeyman Geek

I hurt folks I cared about.

user5389107

In real life I actually have the opposite problem

I'm extremely non confrontational and will almost never speak up on my own

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

1:12 PM

@JourneymanGeek You once claimed here that you never had to provide any sort of explanations to your actions. Did you do that in real life too, if I may ask?

Princess Luna

//raiseTheMoon

user359686

Nog Shine

@JourneymanGeek Do we do everything for helping site? - This is actually a comment on meta. There are many things people are interested other than site.

Derpy

@PrincessLuna and..... she just stole your work.

Nog Shine

@user5389107 Same with me. I am more open on the internet.

hey

1:17 PM

I thought of something scary about SOfT. Is the private Q&A really private, without any periodical monitoring from staffs? What if a syndicate of drug dealer uses it?

Princess Luna

@Derpy You'd be surprised how little work you need to do when you have sock puppets ;)

Derpy

@PrincessLuna don't say you weren't warned when the little fillies will start playing with Celestia plushies during Nightmare Night then.

rene

@hey They wouldn't notice ... we use code words throughout ... wait ... wait ... no ....

Princess Luna

You apparently haven't noticed the //raiseTheSun command yet :>

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek A modified version of this post should be an FAQ:

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A: Remove upvoting on comments under a question, only allow downvoting

If you don't know an answer, why don't you simply pass-by? Your meta-question (quoted above) is based upon the assumption that the question you asked on the main site meets our criteria for what a valid question is. IF you asked a question that is: On-topic, Answerable (with something oth...

(See the deleted comment on that post)

hey

1:22 PM

@rene i heard some kind of flowers can be used as a drug >_> :p

rene

@hey yes, but I'm not cannibalistic ...

Martin James

@hey I understand that involves crushing them and then treating with toxic solvents. Some flowers may object.

Shadow Wizard

Well while away from MSE chat, I became pretty active on Twitter... still not sure what's my place there, but it's huge and interesting. :D

hey

@ShadowWizard be careful not to cross the dark side line...

Martin James

@hey Sounds like it's too late. Only an exorcism can help now:(

Nog Shine

1:29 PM

@ShadowWizard When I opened Twitter, there are many tweets... scrolled down for a long time to see tweets by others. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Only when I mess up

Shadow Wizard

@hey still not sure where that line is in twitter... ;)

@NogShine lol

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I tweet mostly boring stuff.

Since my cousin follows me ;p

hey

@ShadowWizard the obvious and easy line is a drama/controversial tweet from a user with 1000 or more followers that got retweeted over 50 times. The rest is "play by ear" :(

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Nope

Shadow Wizard

1:42 PM

@JourneymanGeek of, so only SFC stuff... I see... :P

@hey what about such tweets? I did reply to several of those, by local politicians. Am I doomed? ;)

Derpy

oh, well, question closed with a plausible dupe. Yet, the answer doesn't sound right to me, even if it is from Skeet.

rene

@Derpy you're welcome

Derpy

If that is the reason, then Microsoft does not understand arithmetic

because, for them apparently 0.00M * 0.00M becomes 0.0000M

user194636

Technically correct is the best sort of correct

Derpy

if they indeed had significant figures in mind.... that is really wrong.

like -very badly wrong-

Sorry, the question is closed as you wish, but I won't trust that answer I guess.

Feeds

2:37 PM

Mathematicians give a third answer on the vertical axis, "That question is poorly defined, but we have a sub-field devoted to every plausible version of it."

hey

@Feeds halp! i studied something that doesn't even exist D:

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I told them not to use the gravity drive. They wouldn't listen. — Tim Post ♦ 18 secs ago

(cc @Derpy)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username: How can I hide a second narrative within my story? (using time travel) by Anonymous Teacher on writing.SE

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: Rock song from album with greenish cover, muscle car, Apple Music A-List, 2017 or 2018 by jonas-schulze on musicfans.SE

Derpy

2:52 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog it's called "flux capacitor"

SmokeDetector

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hey

@SmokeDetector if my onternet is good, I saw this post got nuked at -2. Curious if it's done by a mod or a staff... (which, either way, they recognized this kind of trolling?)

Anonymous

3:13 PM

@user5389107 Solution: find emails of the management team and send your complaints directly, so the CMs don't need to unfairly bear the burden.

Journeyman Geek

._.

hey

._.

user5389107

@user1114 I doubt I have anything interesting or novel enough to say to be of value there

Anonymous

That doesn't need to stop you.

user5389107

what if I value my time and theirs?

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

3:15 PM

it's a net gain of time to post to a smaller set of people.

Journeyman Geek

Until they throw you into the the spam list ;p

Anonymous

firstname lastname @ stackoverflow.com will probably work for most of the people on this list.

user5389107

I don't intend to email SO management

hey

I guess my email got into their spam list since I contacted SE for buying Winter Bash hats

Anonymous

If you harass Bill Maher enough maybe he'll talk about it on his show.

Anonymous

3:17 PM

Nog Shine

@hey I don't know what happened to the mail I sent to them recently. :D

I expect reply in 6-8 weeks.

Journeyman Geek

sounds about right

spam-flags-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310035/…

hey

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310035/…

Derpy

@hey know that you weren't the only one. If after 5 years they still keep that line in the FAQS, to me it means that they like those mails.

Just try to be creative.

hey

@JourneymanGeek FYI, Charcoal HQ decided that it's not a spam though

Journeyman Geek

3:26 PM

0_0

Nog Shine

@JourneymanGeek There is a website included

Journeyman Geek

Its clearly spam.

._.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

It's someone asking in spanish for help in getting a US visa

Journeyman Geek

and a link to a site.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

... yes? and?

Journeyman Geek

3:28 PM

.-.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

;)

hey

Google translated:

> I would like tips or help for the processing of the American visa. They recommended an office in Guadalajara but I do not know if someone has already done business with them. This is the page: American visa Any help?

Journeyman Geek

If that was in english I'd flag?

hey

so, it's borderline

Nog Shine

@hey There is a link under American Visa

Journeyman Geek

3:28 PM

That's totally spam! Unless I've gotten rusty since becoming a mod.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

it's not spam!

estoy viendo la posibilidad de visitar US, soy Colombiano y vivo en mexico como residente.

They live in Mexico, want help on how to get that visa

Journeyman Geek

But that's what you'd say if you were a spammer trying to drop a link to your visa office

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

Or well, that's what they claim... I don't know, maybe I don't know what's spam anymore, but I thought it required someone trying to sell or advocate something

hey

By borderline, I mean whether this is an unfortunate lost user who desperately needs to confirm if that service is safe, or a smart spammer.

Nog Shine

@hey I would say latter

Journeyman Geek

3:30 PM

So sniff test? Would I nuke it if it was SU?

Probably.

Maybe the user too.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username: Chemical reaction , blue to red and again to blue by Anonymous Teacher on chemistry.SE

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

I... what, really?

hey

Unless it's on Travel.SE, surely it'd be nuked for whatever the reason -_-

Journeyman Geek

quite

Nog Shine

What is the user's history network wide?

hey

3:33 PM

first time poster, and first time link

[delv-pls] meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310035/… @JourneymanGeek @rene @ShadowWizard

Journeyman Geek

already done

Ya

πάντα ῥεῖ

3:57 PM

@hey nitpick, it's [tag:delv-pls] ;-)

hey

@πάνταῥεῖ yeah, I usually refrain from editing a message when there are ping targets, because those who use desktop notification could get annoyed with... those notifications reappearing multiple times every time it gets edited ._.

(and that's also the reason why I seldom pinging in general)

πάντα ῥεῖ

b-3

Aww it forces a lower case B

Kevin B

now it's a pirate

πάντα ῥεῖ

Arr then ;-)

rene

the discussion on the TOS doesn't get much friendlier: meta.stackexchange.com/a/310037/158100

hey

4:13 PM

from someone who requested the TOS to be translated (which I apparently upvoted it), seems.... pretty serious in concerning the new TOS...

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene Well, no warranties

rene

I didn't expect or requested any

πάντα ῥεῖ

Me neither

πάντα ῥεῖ

4:46 PM

@Catija Well, if not for the 1st comment be it any, anyways. My point is that we should encourage users to answer questions, instead of asking for more clarification in inappropriate ways. There's already a close reason for this, and the text shown to the OP is under control of a community consensus. If a comment really helps the OP and they change their post, and it receives a positive score afterwards, I am open for all kinds of refunds as mentioned.

Context

@πάνταῥεῖ I'm pretty sure that I've already mentioned that I think your idea is arbitrary and... just not good. Charging only for the first comment makes no sense to me. — Catija 6 mins ago

@Catija I could even think about a doubling charge for each comment left in an exponential manner :-D. In the spirit of avoid long discussions in comments.

But there needs to be done something mechanical and additional instead of plain flag moderation.

Comments aren't those 2nd class citizens anymore, the company promoted them years ago.

> youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:16 PM

@JoeFriend Have you considered leaving a witty comment on my question directly addressing you?

@rene Maybe you too, since you wrote the query I used to post the question.

rene

5:53 PM

The last witty comment I wrote almost got me suspended ...

Catija

@πάνταῥεῖ I don't really think that charging for comments is the answer we need. I'm going to really be interested in seeing whether changing the "ask a comment" text will help.

Anonymous

9

Q: Será que o SE está a impor algumas visões politicas com as recentes atividades no metão?

Tem havido bastante conteúdo no Stack Exchange no meu ponto de vista no minimo polemico. Ora vejam: "Stack Overflow Isn't Very Welcoming" especially [...] marginalized groups? Does Stack Exchange have an ethical responsibility to address global discrimination and marginalisation? Moderator ba...

debate comunidade

Anonymous

Google Translate works very well these days.

Anonymous

There have been times I've read an auto-translated page for half a minute before realizing.

Undo

minirant of the day: At SO scales, technical changes are the best - and possibly only - way to effect social changes. Moderators have always been pretty rough on this kind of content. We can draw a slightly harder line, but it's not going to be the huge change folks need.

Anonymous

6:01 PM

3

A: Será que o SE está a impor algumas visões politicas com as recentes atividades no metão?

Acho ótimo que nós estamos, finalmente, admitindo que o SO tem um problema histórico com diversidade e inclusão, e fazendo alguma coisa pra lidar com o problema. Já tinha passado da hora. Espero que o SOpt siga o mesmo caminho. Demorou bastante pra empresa dar todo o apoio necessário às equipes...

Catija

@Undo Does this minirant relate to anything in particular?

Undo

Musings in the bathroom at work.

Catija

You take yourself for walks?

Undo

Broadly related to the blog post in a "what even can we do?" mentality. Conclusion I always come to is that any purely social change isn't feasible. Gotta put up technical rails first.

Like better comment tooling, or question templates.

Catija

I tend to agree with what I've heard a few people say in here... it's not going to be possible through completely technical or social changes... either are only half of the problem... for example... we have flags for comments... how many people actually use them? I get lots of comment flags on IPS because we repeatedly tell people to flag stuff.

So, the social change is getting people to act and making sure that the moderators are on the same page when it comes to what an acceptable comment is...

but the technical solution already exists... though it could be improved, too.

Undo

6:07 PM

@Catija Yep. Figure out what social change you want (which we still have to do, IMO), then figure out what you need to build to get there

@Catija Comment flags simply don't scale on SO. Tooling works fine on smaller sites, but it just doesn't work when you're staring down 200+ comment flags.

It relies on opening each post individually to get context. No one has time for that on SO, though it works fine when you have two or three comment flags a day.

Catija

@Undo That is problematic, sure... but if there's a wider flagging society in place, many more comments will be flagged by sufficient users to not need moderator intervention at all.

Undo

Would need numbers on how often that happens; suspect on SO it's less than a percent of all comments flagged.

Catija

Heck, it works fine when you get 50 a day... which we do... most days.

Undo

On IPS? Wow.

Catija

But that's why I love Shog's script so much. It makes the context much easier to follow.

Yep.

Undo

6:10 PM

SO is pretty good at getting at least one flag on a bunch of nasty comments. Trick is whether they get a flag on all the bad comments in a thread - we only see that one comment, so if we don't open the post... you end up with stuff left over

Catija

@Undo And that's where the mod info is lacking... only the CMs can see that data. We really need an admin page for comments - user deleted, flagged (by reason), self-deleted, most flagged users... etc.

Undo

Fairly simple technical change, which would take a big chunk out of this problem.

Catija

If the flag page allowed you to expand all comments on a post without going to the post would that help?

Undo

Yep

I have some scripts that do that, but nowhere near as good as a built in solution

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija Well people don't read :-P

Shog9

6:20 PM

people don't read unless they have to

unless they think they have to

Shog9

On Stack Overflow, over the past 365 days, roughly 10% of comments have been deleted

roughly 1% of comments have been flagged

and roughly 12% of deleted comments were flagged

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Wrong nameserver set by resolvconf and NetworkManager by ookangzheng on askubuntu.com

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@Shog9 That's why I proposed to have them some cost. Unless such, they won't even think about if there was something overseen ...

rene

@Shog9 are those stats significantly different on smaller sites. Not talking about IPS and the religious sites

Shog9

parse error

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:35 PM

Signals

rene

undefined behavior

Undo

@Shog9 Is it easy to get stats on how many comments were community deleted without mod intervention?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene Nasal demons

Tweeted by hauckundbauer on May 9, 2018 at 8:08 AM

Shog9

@Undo 26% mod deleted

Undo

Huh, lower than I thought

Although I guess a big chunk of that other 74% is automated duplicate comment deletions and single-flag keyword deletions

Shog9

6:41 PM

68% deleted by their own authors

Undo

Ah, there we go

πάντα ῥεῖ

Anyways, if it's such a low rate, is the concern about toxicity legitimate or just a ghost figure?

Catija

@πάνταῥεῖ I don't think that's true... when the link you're looking for usually says "add a comment", you're going to notice that it says "suggest improvements" instead...

Shog9

@πάνταῥεῖ impossible to tell from these numbers

Catija

... at least a few people have noticed the change and wondered where the comment link went.

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:46 PM

@Shog9 That's a start :-D

Catija

The question is whether the change in text actually causes a change in thinking about what "comments" are for...

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija As mentioned, the 2nd class citizen argument doesn't seem to work out well anymore.

Catija

And that may take a few months to actually see... many users are used to years of the comment text reading the way it does... but it's like a mantra... the more you see it, the more likely it is going to change your thinking (even subconsciously) about what comments are for.

I didn't say anything about second class citizens?

πάντα ῥεῖ

But I did, and SE company did.

Shog9

remember, > 1 million comments / year on Stack Overflow. 1% is a lot. 10% is 10x a lot

Catija

6:49 PM

I think that, even internally, the value of comments is recognized. The "second class" nature is more about how we're not really picky about deleting comments that aren't useful and less about comments being useful.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 Yes, there should be less.

Shog9

And this isn't IRC or Slack, where none of those comments are public and most of 'em become inaccessible after a short time. 90% of comments remain visible to anyone on the 'net

@rene for the rest of the network:

PctDeletedComments PctFlaggedComments PctDeletedCommentsFlagged Site Name
------------------ ------------------ ------------------------- ---------
11.532263168913    1.989882612992     16.359875031664           Super User
6.927017085496     1.137887173845     13.912324234904           Server Fault
13.207547169811    2.156334231805     14.285714285714           Stack Apps
12.244086662691    2.219571987013     16.720779220779           Cooking
7.500385369183     1.662592763867     21.25660598943            Home Improvement

Catija

Getting rid of comments entirely is a horrible choice for SE because it leaves us no way to ask for detail in a question or get clarification in an answer... it'd lead to something worse... people using answers for it...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Um...the comment un-hiding button on IPS still refers to them as "comments". On Area 51, it shows as "show [x] improvement suggestions". Is IPS going to get that fixed?

Shog9

I answered that question on Meta IPS

Catija

6:52 PM

> 42.621605224652 14.981620927161 33.274721594239 Interpersonal Skills

Shog9

i PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ROUNDED THOSE NUMBERS TO SOMETHING

Catija

Wow, and here I was thinking TWP was bad... but we're ahead by 10% :/

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@Shog9 _"Master of raw data"_ [tag:badge-proposal] ;-)
You're doing a though job.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 I couldn't find it. Link please?

Shog9

search better. It's the last post I wrote there

Catija

6:57 PM

@Shog9 I think the one thing that this doesn't show (unless your headers just don't give the info) is what percentage of deleted comments were deleted by flags without moderator involvement? So, single rude flags or three+ NLN/rude flags?

Shog9

Correct, that is not included

I'm typing SQL while on a call and chatting here and in another room, don't expect nuance

Catija

You imply that I should ever?

Shog9

hey, I can be nuanced

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Well, throttling input was the idea. Don't answer "gasp" plz.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 No, your last post is totally different. Your second-to-last post is about it, but it doesn't explain why the button to un-collapse comments shows as "show [x] more comments" instead of "show [x] improvement suggestions" as it does on Area 51.

Shog9

6:59 PM

you were so close...

No other changes until the experiment concludes, @thunderforge — Shog9 ♦ Apr 27 at 17:00

Catija

I've been assuming that it's something they'll change eventually, if the test is considered a success and they start rolling it out more widely. I'm not sure that all sites will want the change but making it network-wide may be more effective.

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