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@SonicWizard Actually, I didn't even realize that quarata made a comment. I see people arguing about the singular they all the time and I thought I'd mention - somewhere other than that post - that it's totally fine.

quartata

reason why I said "wasn't worth arguing the semantics" is because frankly I don't think the answerer in questions cares at all

@Shog9 nnnh

how are you even supposed to read that aloud

Catija

shuh-he?

Shog9

9:36 PM

I think it's pronounced "zher"

quartata

z-zzap

Sonic Wizard

@Catija I use it all the time in standard speech, I don't have a problem with it, the point of my comment was to let the OP know that it's perfectly fine to use "they" in that case.

Catija

The duality of he/she is still exclusionary, which is why "they" is better.

Sonic Wizard

Even though they may have learned in school that it's not OK.

Shog9

also, it's older and less typing and there's no question of how to pronounce it

Catija

9:38 PM

What does snailboat always say... the 1400s?

quartata

@SonicWizard That's definitely not the reason why the OP was doing it

Frankly I shouldn't have bothered at all, it's gone now anyways

Catija

@Shog9 Can y'all even get data on this:

@vzn Sure. That's reasonable. That said, I don't think there's a huge correlation between chatting more and being flagged more. There's some data in chat... and Mods can see the users' suspension histories but more of the most active users of all time in chat have fewer than 10 all time chat annotations/suspensions than otherwise. chat.stackexchange.com/users ... but some of them have really problematic histories, too. :) We can't see to the granularity of flags, though, only suspensions, which would be nice to change. — Catija 44 mins ago

Shog9

Although I feel the versatility of the singular "y'all" is often overlooked in these discussions. In addition to every advantage attributed to the singular "they", it also pisses off southerners.

quartata

@Shog9 hahahahaha

Shog9

@Catija being flagged more in chat? Or on the main site?

Catija

9:40 PM

@Shog9 ? Wha? I use "y'all" specifically to avoid the confusion of the plural "you".

@Shog9 Chat.

user315433

"All" applies just as well to a one-element set. Or to an empty one.

Martin James

@Shog9 It's pronounced 'Sun Tzu'

Shog9

@Catija search the TL; I posted numbers on this a while back.

user315433

For example, one can address the ExpressionEngine® Answers users as "y'all"

Shog9

@MartinJames ah, yes. "Know your enemy and know yourself, and you can stop worrying about all the damn pronouns"

quartata

9:42 PM

@Shog9 some people might take that fairly literally

Shog9

@quartata what, like... Biblically? That's a dangerous gambit.

I don't know that Sun Tzu would approve

Catija

@Shog9 Any clues on what I should search for... if you're not aware, chat search is sorta crappy and I have to pick one word and your username...

user315433

Too bad stackoverflow.help got taken for Teams support (?) instead of becoming a "help desk" companion to SO.

Catija

... unless I've been searching chat wrong this entire time.

Shog9

@Catija my guess would be the name of one of the most-flagged chat users + me as author

Catija

9:46 PM

@Shog9 Ouch... October 2016? That is a while.

Shog9

...unless I'm thinking of the SO mod room...

Catija

Also, that's just suspensions, not flags.

Shog9

well, considering a valid flag comes with a suspension...

Catija

Yeah, the comment that lead to my response was possibly talking about all flags, even invalidated ones?

user315433

Stack Overflow for Teams Security Overview is an interesting article.

Shog9

9:49 PM

@Catija sigh...

Catija

It's OK.

Just ignore me.

I'm sure I'll get used to it eventually.

Shog9

they can ask on meta if they want. But I'll need a clear set of criteria, since querying chat is not... All that fun

Catija

I figured.

Shog9

Being... I donno, way more specific about "huge correlation" would be helpful.

I can tell you without even looking, there are very few people who get a ton of flags and post a lot.

If we weren't in a public room, I'd name all 4 of them

Catija

The question was more focused on comparing very active users who have really clean chat histories to those who have a lot of suspensions/flags. Many of the most active chat.se users are mods, who have perfect or nearly perfect histories but since mods can't be suspended, that doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have validated r/a flags.

Not necessary. I checked it already... I probably know who you'd say.

Shog9

9:52 PM

mods can totally be suspended, it just doesn't really do much

Catija

So a validated r/a flag will show up on their history even if they don't lose the ability to chat?

(I'm using r/a instead of s/o because... s/o can get confusing)

Shog9

well, it'll show up in their history. Maybe not as a suspension.

user315433

Someone already did, I guess Nicolas. (Oops, it's not about chat suspension).

Shog9

validate that.

@bro different in chat though

not in the general sense, but in terms of logging

come on, 4 more flags, y'all can do it

quartata

wait which message

Catija

9:55 PM

Haven't y'all always wanted to flag Shog??? Now's your chance! :P

Shog9

the one that sez "test this"

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

> The account is temporarily locked in order to let the participant calm down. The lock expires after 3 days.

Shog9

this saves me literally minutes searching code. MINUTES!

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

That's much better than the message on SO

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username: How do I find the right Guru? by Rayaz on hinduism.SE

Catija

9:56 PM

At this point, it may be slower... :/

quartata

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ "locked" is just a quirk of the translation I suspect

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Shog9 which message, goddamnit

Catija

@Shog9 This one

Shog9

2 mins ago, by Shog9

We could test this

Catija

It looks like it's got three now?

Shog9

9:56 PM

Also, more of you clearly need to earn 10K on MSE

LOOKING AT YOU, @SonicWizard

Don't look at me.

@Shog9 What?

Haha he can't see me

Are you being ignored?

Shog9

@SonicWizard flag the message that reads, "test this" above

Catija

9:58 PM

Ah, there it goes.

Shog9

there we go!

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I've been at 5k for like, 30 years

Shog9

I gave up on you

Catija

You're not even 30 years old.

quartata

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oi

that's my thing

where I say "x years" when I really mean like 2 seconds

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

9:58 PM

@Shog9 please review the Be Nice policy before coming back

Sonic Wizard

In fact, I've been constantly requesting RO privileges here so that I could see deleted messages posted by SmokeDetector

Shog9

Anyway, no suspension, just a flag with a "6" next to it in the flag history

Catija

Meh. I haven't requested them but I feel that I'm trustworthy.

So, the question is, in that query you posted in the TL, if it counts suspensions, ... that sounds like mods would be ignored?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

ROness requires awesomeness. I am overqualified

Catija

(for flagged posts gained while mods)

Shog9

10:00 PM

yep

Sonic Wizard

@Shog9 As a Southern Californian, I generally find myself using "you guys". Over there, the word "guys" is genderless

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It's genderless in a lot of places

Including the place I'm sitting on

Sonic Wizard

Mods can still post here even if they're suspended from chat. @Shog9 Remember when you suspended @Undo for 395 days?

Catija

Even IPS seems to have ruled it as being genderless.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Catija even? They didn't seem to be picky

Catija

10:02 PM

... because IPS is the font of all judgement of these things.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

But IPS was like the weirdest thing since Windows before I joined their chat

Catija

Was?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Crap, I'm talking to an IPS mod

rene

:D

Catija

You've just now realized that?

I'm pretty sure that IPS is still one of the weirdest things going... but weird can be good.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:04 PM

But it's still pretty weird that you get fewer "i haz relationz porblem" questions than "so this other day I was at my grandpa's and . . . " fairytales in comments

@Catija I'd keep awkwardly silent

Catija

If I stay silent, how am I supposed to surpass @JourneymanGeek in chat messages?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Ha, I'm in too

@Catija he doesn't count as a frequenter, so that seems like a fairer fight

Dogs never stop making noises

Catija

Frequenter of the Tavern? I'm actually talking about his total chat.se numbers, not room specific ones.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

This dog specifically has a problem with apostrophes

Sonic Wizard

You guys sound like another Techmoan comedy outro

Catija

10:08 PM

@SonicWizard I don't know what that is but @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ and I have been working on our banter for years. :P

Sonic Wizard

@Catija techmoan.com/comedy-videos

Shadow Wizard

@Catija huh? There's a competition? ;)

//status

:/

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard more like ://

Shadow Wizard

lol

//:

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Catija whoa then just accept defeat

Catija

10:10 PM

@ShadowWizard chat.stackexchange.com/users 342K messages and counting. Second only to Cerberus and Smokey.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I can't even find you

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ chair?

Catija

I'm right here, silly.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

y'all is right there, really

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Catija oh, there you are, the 77.4k lady

Catija

10:11 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Page five

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

hmmm... that y'all might need some adjusting

Shadow Wizard

@Catija buh... I have only 134076 messages here on chat.MSE :(

Catija

@FélixGagnon-Grenier I think you mean "y'all're right there, really".

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Catija Okay, this is more like Bennett taking on Lakers

Catija

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ He'll have help in October.

Shadow Wizard

10:13 PM

You even follow NBA? @Catija ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Catija . . . REALLY?! OMG

Catija

@ShadowWizard Hey, that's really good... all of those word association games.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

inb4 whomst've

quartata

I'm only page 2 :/

although just a pro tip: PulseMonitor is going to overtake everyone in about 6 months to a year

Catija

@ShadowWizard Follow, no... but I'm aware of it. I used to live in Seattle and the Sonics are pretty much a fact of life there.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:14 PM

Congrats @Cat! Unless I got you wrong, which would be super awkward

quartata

if you're playing fantasy chat bowling

Catija

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ :D No, you got it.

Shadow Wizard

@Catija nah, only 20k are from WAG

in Shadow's Den, Aug 13 '16 at 5:47, by Shadow Wizard

=== Word Association Game Leaderboard ===
1. FOX 9000.........................29403
2. Shadow Wizard....................17572
3. DroidDev.........................11446
4. ProgramFOX........................4665
5. rene..............................3698
6. CRABOLO...........................3100
7. Frank.............................3082
8. SPArchaeologist...................2859
9. SilentKiller......................2786
10. MysticMagicϡ.....................2441
11. berserk..........................1953

Catija

@FélixGagnon-Grenier At least mine is real :P

Shadow Wizard

Since then WAG became... slower, so not many new messages for WAG.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

10:15 PM

pfffff :)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@quartata I am superior to you, 116 k'er

quartata

not for long by my reckoning

Catija

I think my first messages in chat.meta.se were in the Den... I thought it was a general room and went there to ask for help... silly me. ;)

@Catija haha I wanna see the transcript

Shadow Wizard

10:16 PM

@Catija LOL.. that's funny... and means you can be pinged there... :P

Catija

Especially since I just went in. :P

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard Hasn't KennyBOT taken over FOX 9000 for WAG?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I think every new chat you enter, you should first and foremost search for private body parts

Like nose

user315433

in Shadow's Den, May 25 '15 at 7:02, by Catija

Howdy.... gents? Mind if I interrupt extremely briefly?

user315433

gents?

Shadow Wizard

10:17 PM

lol

user315433

What's with the gender assumptions.

Catija

It was another era...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

That works too

Shadow Wizard

@Catija was about to use those words exactly.... ;)

Catija

It also has a question mark, so I wasn't sure.

Undo

10:18 PM

@SonicWizard I managed to outlast that one. It was incentive to keep SR alive :P

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard nope, @Kenny is just a bonus for WAG, or backup when the site used by FOX is down.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ too many of those hiding now in Den, buried deep. Hopefully, never to be found. :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@bro too bad. @Sha + those two: conversation about body parts. @Sha + those two + ProgramFox: conversation about anything but body parts

Pro is such a killjoy

Catija

And, apparently my first WAG submission was "Bible"... that's... so unlike me.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard is your nose big?

Sonic Wizard

Yes, his nose is as big as mine

Shadow Wizard

10:23 PM

@Catija You were confused and overwhelmed, it's OK. ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SonicWizard is your nose big?

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ define "big" and I can answer. ;)

My nose is nosy.

Sonic Wizard

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Pinocchio

small nose ^^

10:24 PM

Cyrano de Bergerac?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ that's just "long", not "big".

Sonic Wizard

Now compare them

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard equal

Catija

youtube.com/watch?v=Z1nYEH6EDwM Where you going "big nose"?

Sonic Wizard

10:25 PM

My nose was paining a lot when I had my mask on in the Ano days

Shadow Wizard

omg... searching for "big nose funny" on Google returns some... disturing results. :/

(and no so funny)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I hate disturing things

What are disturing things?

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ many world leaders with badly photoshopped big nose, for example

One highly NSFW "nose".. etc.

user315433

Jun 29 '11 at 12:23, by The Journeyman geek

@Manjot: I do believe learning that is your first step towards enlightenment

user315433

Journeyman's first step toward ~~enlightenment~~ Meta.SE chat

user315433

10:27 PM

Still no Twitter outrage material in the transcript...

user315433

My expectations of Health.SE have been fulfilled though:

user315433

Oct 29 '14 at 5:34, by user259867

Imagining the pics of body parts tagged disease-identification... no thanks.

Shadow Wizard

@bro was this you?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard . . . I wanna unsee them.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ you should know by now.... never follow my search trail! :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:31 PM

Generally, wanting to laugh at how other people look feels like being a pr!ck

Shadow Wizard

The horrors I see are better not be seen by sane people.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ or a child... which is also normal. ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard stop looking at it, then

hichris123

The expectations for downvoters:

Thanks. And I would be very surprised if whoever downticked my question has a girlfriend. — RexOnRoids May 23 '10 at 6:29

Shadow Wizard

We all have our inner child inside us....

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ can't, it's too tempting

Catija

@hichris123 Yeah... great... let's leave ad hominem attacks around for most of a decade :(

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:32 PM

@ShadowWizard well, in a mature context, where children are expected to have been taught it's being a pr!ck

hichris123

@Catija Yeah.. quite a bit of that unfortunately.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ we try to teach our daughter those things now (she's almost 8), so far without success. Guess it's matter of personality, if one can ever understand it's "wrong". :)

Catija

> Last seen Sep 8 '10 at 8:07

Well, at least they're not still a problem.

user315433

OTOH my most recent 100 comments thing is yet to bring up anything exciting in several tries.

user315433

Just some boring programming talk.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:35 PM

@hichris123 was his question about marital status?

@bro "definitely, I agree"

@ShadowWizard are you role models for her?

hichris123

@bro Yeah, it mostly seems like there's the offhand snarky "joke" that isn't funny every once in a while but that's about all I've found so far.

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek @Undo As one who knew me back during my previous incarnation, how much have I changed between then and now?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Not in the slightest bit

You still haven't defeated Eggman

Like, once and for all. Just kill him

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ so far... but it will change soon enough. ;)

Sonic Wizard

My goal isn't to kill Eggman, it's just to stop him from taking over the world. He's helpful at times

user315433

10:53 PM

@derloopkat Just click the 'edited' button above and you'll see how you're simply a snake trying to look like a dev, it's frankly pathetic dude, and of course it does, it makes you look better, which is your goal right? — NGriffin 1 min ago

user315433

@derloopkat Dude, you're an idiot, it was always an array.. Just go away, thanks. You can see my revisions by clicking the edited link under the OP. — NGriffin 4 mins ago

Catija

I'm going to assume there are a bunch of deleted comments there.

user315433

Low rep OP is feeling unwelcome, it seems

Sonic Wizard

hahah, removing comments does not increase my rep, ok genius. I have removed them because they are not useful — derloopkat 5 mins ago

tl;dr yep.

yagmoth555

the OP merit a temp ban imo

user315433

10:58 PM

I can only flag the post because out of comment flags.

user315433

100/day cap is insufficient on the scale of SO.

Shadow Wizard

Probably all comments better be nuked.

yagmoth555

we should ban some that are rude to make them as an example of what not to do.

user315433

I don't see how that can be an example, are you proposing the suspension to be announced on Twitter or something.

user315433

I did suggest removing all comments in a mod flag but that queue is 1000+ or something long, so.

Sonic Wizard

11:01 PM

@bro In practice, my flags tend to get handled very quickly

user315433

Custom mod flags on SO?

yagmoth555

no, just that if there is no consequence to be rude then ppl need to stop the drama and live with the site as-is

user315433

Maybe you know to insert a secret word that mods pick up by some regex filter. Is that "shibboleth"?

Shadow Wizard

@yagmoth555 umm... it's being done already. Ask YCS, ask @πάνταῥεῖ and probably many more we don't hear about.

user315433

Vlad from Moscow.

Sonic Wizard

11:05 PM

@bro Yes

yagmoth555

@ShadowWizard I just wonder how many insult/comment was dealed with before that ban. and as mod are per site, who know how he act on other site

user315433

11:24 PM

> I took several pine cones that were not mine. I was rightfully chided by some angry squirrels. I am sorry, angry squirrels. You have made your point with your teeth and tiny claws and high-pitched screeching. Please stop. I only ate some of the pine cones. I will return the rest. -- A bear

user315433

SO users are not as receptive to criticism in general.

user315433

11:38 PM

Hi @TheAsh I kind of hope you don't plan on more blogpost-related meta stuff. Getting old.

user315433

I don't like the blog post either, but... it's just that, a post.

Shadow Wizard

@yagmoth555 guess that a lot.

Shog9

@yagmoth555 you wrote "ban", but from the context I feel like that may have been an autocorrect from "place heads on a pike"

yagmoth555

@Shog9 haha, yeah, Iam maybe to strict on that issue. but I like your idea I seen to limit comment, less drastic than my idea, hehe

Journeyman Geek

11:57 PM

@Catija It also helps I have a few years on you as far as chat goes. More time to talk ;p

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