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9:01 AM

There are regular flags and moderator flags in chat. Does the latter bring the message to attention to the mods of the specific site which is parent site of the room, or simply to any moderator?

πάντα ῥεῖ

People! We're still participating an internet game, and everyone is bothering about changing the silly rulez of the game, instead of having more players and fun?

Martin

I have searched a bit in chat-flags tag, but I did not find information about this. (BTW is there a FAQ entry for chat flags on meta?)

πάντα ῥεῖ

Get sheldonized :-P ...

Take one little step back and see what it actually is!

Martin

Hm, probably it's moderator from any site - judging by this post: Make the “flag for moderator” tooltip in chat more accurate

πάντα ῥεῖ

Fun with flags ...

rene

9:08 AM

@Martin any moderator from any site (on SE Chat that is)

Martin

Thanks for the confirmation.

rene

SO mods won't see chatflags on SE chat (nor MSE chat) and vice versa

Martin

I was writing an answer on a local meta and I did not want to give there some misleading information, so I checked here.

Since it is a SE site, I don't think that SO/SE/MSE chat distinction is important enough to be mentioned there. (Most users there probably do not know that there are three different chats.)

rene

Yeah, true

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Martin "I don't think that SO/SE/MSE chat distinction is important enough" It makes a BIG difference actually, I you're left to know which :-P

Martin

9:15 AM

@πάνταῥεῖ Yes. You are the user who is among the most actives ones on ELL but cannot chat there.

Is that what you meant?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Yup.

And there are probably reasons for that ...

Martin

To clarify my previous message: "I don't think that SO/SE/MSE chat distinction is important enough to be mentioned in the answer on a local meta I just wrote - which is concerned with getting moderator attention for a specific chat message."

Is it better now?

rene

I can live with that

πάντα ῥεῖ

SO GOOD TO HEAR THAT!

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: How to solve a Run-time error 91? by Wendy Russell on gis.SE

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:19 AM

sd tp-

Mislead haeretics

We have to bring back the fun (Amy Fowler)

I have no clue how to teach people about sarcasm, I'm just a poor Asperger's person :-/

Wait, no. Poor is the completely wrong word.

Sonic Wizard

I'm on the autism spectrum but higher functioning than Aspergers

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SonicWizard Geez, we know that sonic!

Sonic Wizard

Just exemplifying it

πάντα ῥεῖ

What do you think I am trying to do the last few hours?

Sonic Wizard

I was just joining in, I don't always read transcripts

//echo !!/coffee PrincessCelestia

user359686

9:26 AM

!!/coffee PrincessCelestia

user359686

@SmokeDetector How can I //help?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SonicWizard As usual. Going outta context to quick, because others can't follow the associations.

Sonic Wizard

@SmokeDetector delete

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Historical data of Kraken (bid-ask) by Bertrand2222 on bitcoin.SE

Sonic Wizard

@SmokeDetector tpu-

!!/watch CryptoDataDownload\.com

SmokeDetector

9:28 AM

@SonicWizard You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2116 for you.

πάντα ῥεῖ

It's much like scrabble, you earn/loose points about choosing the right/wrong word.

@SmokeDetector tpu-

AI build by lower intellectuals. SQUEAK (says death of rats)

Sonic Wizard

@PrincessLuna approve-pls github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/2116

Shadow Wizard

huh? @Princess is Smokey dev?

Princess Luna

I have code privileges

Shadow Wizard

Nice!

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:32 AM

Cool

Shadow Wizard

Awesome!

Princess Luna

So I can do stuff like this :3

πάντα ῥεῖ

Not actually AI, but still pretty cool!

Shadow Wizard

so when @Smokey will get neural network and become AI? ;)

Princess Luna

When there are GPUs that can handle it XD

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:35 AM

@ShadowWizard If their human feeders overhaul the rats ;-)

Princess Luna

lol

Shadow Wizard

lol

πάντα ῥεῖ

At least two people seem to understand what I am talking about :)

lol

Shadow Wizard

a Princess and a Shadow, what else you need? :D

Princess Luna

A Princess Shadow? owo

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:37 AM

Yeah, that's really heartwarming

Sonic Wizard

Shadow the Hedgehog and Rouge the Bat

πάντα ῥεῖ

@skull narrow place you like to sit in

@SonicWizard Shadow is more like the hogfather, and princess is a witch story.

Sonic Wizard

A lot of people here are Sonic characters in my eyes

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SonicWizard Some people even have synesthetic associations

Sonic Wizard

True, but the difference here is that I'm consciously making the association

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:44 AM

You're looking so yellow to me

OK I'll give you some better choice: green, orange, light blue

Some of my fav colors.

We are still talking about how to encourage inclusion, do we?

I'll give a hell of my rep to achieve that actually.

Let aside poor english and interpersonal skills :3

Shadow Wizard

10:00 AM

No red? @πάνταῥεῖ

πάντα ῥεῖ

Patience seems to be a superior one, not that I'm known to be a patient person.

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ great, you scared the poor skull away.... :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard My doc discouraged me to take onto red. There are too many disturbing herring farms within that color focus :3

@ShadowWizard What do you expect with such profile statement?

TM

In a few years, as soon @jon delivered, we're going to have some good laughs about these little episodes.

My grandma told me, that Stack Overflow once was considered a toxic place, lacking any grain of salt or humor.

Hah

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ VTC We hate jokes.

Princess Luna

@Filnor Lurking here too? :p

πάντα ῥεῖ

10:09 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, that's one of the myths ...

Journeyman Geek

oh

a certain type of humour works

Princess Luna

@JourneymanGeek Like that one? :p

Journeyman Geek

Practically humour on its own, bad

humour with purpose good

But if you're a new user - sticking to the facts is helpful

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Empathetic souls work to gather together. Humor is just another kind of sand in the gears. Can be good can be bad, just depends how sleazy it is .3

Journeyman Geek

I disagree

πάντα ῥεῖ

10:12 AM

@JourneymanGeek Me too

Journeyman Geek

But you just said it.

A little appropriate humor, in the context of a post can be useful

but sometimes folks push it too far

like that guy who posts fake BSODs

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek That's why. Things need to be outpoken.

Journeyman Geek

But saying things just to get reactions kinda means the end goal is reactions, not resolutions.

;p

πάντα ῥεῖ

And not hidden in pages and another ton of pages of law-books. Just be natural human, and feel good with it.

@JourneymanGeek Agreed, but what AI should be applied for handling that?

I rather meant outspoken than ourpoken, but thinking about that further, the pun wasn't that bad :-P

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Unable to access to GMail with firefox by scottdavid0309 on superuser.com

πάντα ῥεῖ

10:19 AM

sd tp-

^See. Content not user primarily.

sd brave guy

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ more like "There was once a place called Stack Overflow, which was toxic".

@πάνταῥεῖ grave guy

πάντα ῥεῖ

The wastelands these times ...

Filnor

@PrincessLuna I'm everywhere and nowhere at the same time :D

Princess Luna

@Filnor :D

Shadow Wizard

lol what's going on with new/rare users coming now? Is the Tavern featured somewhere? /cc @Fil :)

πάντα ῥεῖ

10:27 AM

@Shadow You see: I am willing to change rulez radically to keep with the fun.

Shadow Wizard

?

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard discussion between me and him in SOBotics about some spam, the question was if it also showed up in here.

Filnor

@ShadowWizard No, we just wondered where SmokeDetector reports posts from SO. Looks like that's not the case here

Shadow Wizard

@Filnor only in its main room, afaik

And who are "we"? ;)

Filnor

@ShadowWizard Princess Luna and me, the "new/rare users"

πάντα ῥεῖ

10:29 AM

Not that much about gaining privileges in the game, but looking at the loosing side, and where you might fail other aspects of the (social) gaming. That could be a great source of education for behavior in real life.

Princess Luna

@Filnor I'm here often though :D

user359686

@Filnor me too

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Filnor You're OK, have a loads of hugs for attending!

user359686

gives hugs to everyone

πάντα ῥεῖ

@PrincessCelestia Not really helpful.

user359686

10:31 AM

@πάνταῥεῖ How can I //help?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@PrincessCelestia We're gonna sort that our my dear <3

user359686

@πάνταῥεῖ How can I //help?

Filnor

@πάνταῥεῖ thanks :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

Blamed the bot :-P, silly me

Filnor

//netstat

user359686

10:33 AM

@Filnor You need rank 3 or higher to use this command.

Filnor

@PrincessCelestia @PrincessLuna ^

user359686

@Filnor How can I //help?

Princess Luna

//promote Filnor 7

user359686

@PrincessLuna Rank for the user has successfully been updated

Princess Luna

There you go :D

Filnor

10:33 AM

thanks

//netstat

user359686

@Filnor The server is offline.

Princess Luna

It's site-specific, too lazy to find the network profile

πάντα ῥεῖ

@PrincessLuna Performance is a real thing to consider

@Sonic?

Sonic Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ What?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Performance!

Sonic Wizard

10:36 AM

What are we talking about?

πάντα ῥεῖ

PERFORMANCE!

Shadow Wizard

@Filnor lol... @Princess is far from being either "new" or "rare". She's a regular in MSE chat by now. :P

Sonic Wizard

Context please?

@ShadowWizard Which one? Rouge or Omega?

We have intrusion

Shadow Wizard

(the other one I was talking about is Mr. skull ;))

@SonicWizard the human :)

Sonic Wizard

You mean Rouge? (Omega's a robot.)

Rouge is a bat!

Shadow Wizard

10:38 AM

@Shadowclaw should we miss you? ;)

//promote Shog9 8

user359686

@ShadowWizard You can't promote other users to the same or higher rank as yourself

Shadow Wizard

//getRank SonicWizard

user359686

@ShadowWizard SonicWizard's rank is 8

Filnor

Bug

Sonic Wizard

//getRank ShadowWizard

user359686

10:40 AM

@SonicWizard ShadowWizard's rank is 8

Shadow Wizard

@Filnor ?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@PrincessCelestia You can talk from the gossip rhough

user359686

@πάνταῥεῖ How can I //help?

πάντα ῥεῖ

You can't

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessCelestia cut bread

user359686

10:40 AM

cutting @Shadow Wizard's bread

Sonic Wizard

//promote πάνταῥεῖ 7

user359686

@SonicWizard Rank for the user has successfully been updated

Filnor

@ShadowWizard Higher rank than yourself? It's the same one

Princess Luna

@SonicWizard Yep.

Filnor

//getRank πάνταῥεῖ

user359686

10:41 AM

@Filnor πάνταῥεῖ's rank is 7

Shadow Wizard

> You can't promote other users to the same or higher rank as yourself

Sonic Wizard

@Filnor It looks like you're not reading the entire message.

Princess Luna

I'm gonna fix that btw

Sonic Wizard

//promote SonicWizard 10

user359686

@SonicWizard You can't change the rank of users with the same or higher rank as yourself

Shadow Wizard

10:42 AM

Why? Think it's good.

Sonic Wizard

(test)

Filnor

@ShadowWizard oh, oops

Shadow Wizard

:)

πάντα ῥεῖ

I am not deserving a rank, also I hate military from the bones.

Shadow Wizard

//lick @Filnor

user359686

10:42 AM

@ShadowWizard Licks @Filnor. Tastes like shit

eww

o.o

@πάνταῥεῖ easy!

@PrincessCelestia Friendship ended

user359686

@Filnor How can I //help?

Shadow Wizard

10:42 AM

//promote πάνταῥεῖ 0

user359686

@ShadowWizard Invalid rank: NaN

Sonic Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ By the way, typing your name here is surprisingly easy: [@] [tab] [home] [delete]

user359686

@ShadowWizard Invalid rank: 0.0

Princess Luna

@πάνταῥεῖ That is not valid, You will SALUTE when you speak!

Filnor

What's null in Kotlin

user359686

10:43 AM

@ShadowWizard You have to supply a valid user ID/indexed username

Princess Luna

@Filnor null

@ShadowWizard without @

user359686

@ShadowWizard Rank for the user has successfully been updated

Filnor

//promote πάνταῥεῖ null

Shadow Wizard

lol

user359686

@Filnor Invalid rank: null

Shadow Wizard

10:43 AM

@πάνταῥεῖ done!

Filnor

lol

Shadow Wizard

//getRank πάνταῥεῖ

Sonic Wizard

//doge

user359686

@ShadowWizard πάνταῥεῖ is banned

user359686

         wow
            so user
         very fail
        so pro

Sonic Wizard

10:44 AM

//appul

Filnor

lol

user359686

@SonicWizard I LUV APPULS!

Princess Luna

//unban πάνταῥεῖ

user359686

@PrincessLuna Updated user status

user359686

@ShadowWizard πάνταῥεῖ's rank is 1

Princess Luna

10:44 AM

//doge ban, fail, @ShadowWizard, @Filnor, fun, APPHULS!!!

user359686

       very ban
  many fail
     many @ShadowWizard
             much @Filnor
          many fun
   many APPHULS!!!

πάντα ῥεῖ

You probably know @shadow. Military is quite a shit at your country. My druse friend liked to talk from teh needle cussions with me.

Sonic Wizard

The military in our country is pretty much me and whoever I draft

πάντα ῥεῖ

@PrincessLuna No, that would defeat whole of the thing ;-P

Princess Luna

lol

Shadow Wizard

10:46 AM

@πάνταῥεῖ to be honest, it's hard for those in it many times, feels unfair and unorganized, but in the end of the day, it works. Guess same goes for other countries. :)

Filnor

Is there a summary of chat flags (like the normal one) for chat.SE sites?

Sonic Wizard

For instance, I can draft @Shadow into yet another war with Dr. Eggman

πάντα ῥεῖ

I am having a voice, because of being utterly concerned. I don't want that.

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ didn't get the second part of your sentence, sorry... needle? cussion?

@Filnor nope, no such thing

33

Q: Can we get a Flag-History for chat's moderator attention flags?

I checked my Chat-Profile to see whether I can find something similar to the main-site flag-history for chat-flags, but didn't find anything. I recently had the (dis)pleasure of regularly having to deal with a user, that has been deleted multiple times. Whenever they show up (with the same nick-...

/cc @Filnor ^

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard A rough (and failed trial for quickness of response). "Aus dem Nähkästchen erzählen." Needs a better translation of course.

Shadow Wizard

10:48 AM

That said... @Vogel612'sShadow is too silent! :D

@πάνταῥεῖ so you really oppose army as a principle? What you suggest instead?

Flowers can be useful, in ideal world.... :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard He probably could help about proper translations and real time transposition.

Shadow Wizard

dang... my stomach just signalled it want food. cya!

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard I know all the details about defending melon fields ;-)

Shadow Wizard

//time Israel

user359686

@ShadowWizard Tue, 1 May 13:51:31.1890 2018 IDT (GMT +03:00)

Shadow Wizard

10:51 AM

So accurate...

πάντα ῥεῖ

Israel is great, just not always ...

Princess Luna

//time -get

user359686

Available timezones: [Africa/Abidjan, Africa/Accra, Africa/Addis_Ababa, Africa/Algiers, Africa/Asmara, Africa/Asmera, Africa/Bamako, Africa/Bangui, Africa/Banjul, Africa/Bissau, Africa/Blantyre, Africa/Brazzaville, Africa/Bujumbura, Africa/Cairo, Africa/Casablanca, Africa/Ceuta, Africa/Conakry, Africa/Dakar, Africa/Dar_es_Salaam, Africa/Djibouti, Africa/Douala, Africa/El_Aaiun, Africa/Freetown, Africa/Gaborone, Africa/Harare, Africa/Johannesburg, Africa/Juba, Africa/Kampala, Africa/Khartoum, Africa/Kigali, Africa/Kinshasa, Africa/Lagos, Africa/Libreville, Africa/Lome, Africa/Luanda, Africa/…

Princess Luna

//time Etc/EDT

user359686

@PrincessLuna The datetime zone id 'get EDT' is not recognised

user359686

10:52 AM

@PrincessLuna The datetime zone id 'EDT' is not recognised

user359686

@PrincessLuna The datetime zone id 'Etc/EDT' is not recognised

πάντα ῥεῖ

Same here, but who I am to mention politics ...

Princess Luna

//shrug

user359686

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Shadow Wizard

//time WET

user359686

10:53 AM

@ShadowWizard Tue, 1 May 11:53:12.4280 2018 WEST (GMT +01:00)

πάντα ῥεῖ

So lets focus back at SE's small world.

Shadow Wizard

what's that? @Princess ^^

Princess Luna

Western European Standard Time? /shrug

πάντα ῥεῖ

And teh rulez of teh gamez

Shadow Wizard

Gamez of Zrones

πάντα ῥεῖ

10:54 AM

:-D

Filnor

Tah gamez pls

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard Gamez of Scones :p

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shadow My step daughter recently forced to watch me Tributes of Panem recently. And I was positively incentived about getting her points of loving that story (One of my comments was: "Yeah, that show is Goebbels at steroids!", it took her some time and more sentences to flesh out what I wanted to tell her.). Could have mentioned "Brazil".

If we're diving into the absurd scenes we should be aware of humor and consciosness, or best both!

Journeyman Geek

err

is that one of the hunger games movies?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Yup!

Journeyman Geek

11:02 AM

odd. I've never heard of it

and my old workplace worked on some of em

πάντα ῥεῖ

Too much action around the real stories for my taste.

Journeyman Geek

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunger_Games_(film_series) ._.

did they change the title?

πάντα ῥεῖ

But hey, I've got into good contact with my daughter, and it went well and worked out.

What else could be better?

Journeyman Geek

yeah

Filnor

@JourneymanGeek Maybe the books and the movie are named differentely (Can't really tell, only read the books and the german title is "Tribute von Panem")

Journeyman Geek

11:05 AM

ah

the german title is different

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Filnor That, thank you.

@JourneymanGeek I translated backwards, which is oftenly prone to fail miserably :-/

Journeyman Geek

Oh its fine

the first book/movie?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek She gotta convince me to watch the 1st one so far yes :-)

Journeyman Geek

ah ok

Vogel612's Shadow

@ShadowWizard THOU HAVEST SUMMONED ME?!?!

"Aus dem Nähkästchen erzählen" is a mix of "sharing war stories" and "gossiping"

Journeyman Geek

11:10 AM

ah

πάντα ῥεῖ

They still don't get my point Anyone to propose better things is encouraged. "But it's the games established rulez ..."

Filnor

@Vogel612'sShadow My definition doesn't contain "sharing war stories", I think that's a bit too much 20th century

Vogel612's Shadow

it's more than just gossip though, isn't it?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Big horses, big blinkers :P

Vogel612's Shadow

Kaffeeklatsch isn't the same

πάντα ῥεῖ

11:12 AM

@Vogel612'sShadow Of course my friend ...

@Vogel612'sShadow No because "Kaffetrinken" is an affiliated assasin.

Vogel612's Shadow

in the original English he's named Teatime

tee-a-tah-me

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Vogel612'sShadow That's a good translation actually :D

Vogel612's Shadow

one of the many in the Pratchett novels, IMO

πάντα ῥεῖ

Beyond my avatars associations of course ;)

Not to mention the glasseye ....

Vogel612's Shadow

I should really reread those books some time...

πάντα ῥεῖ

11:18 AM

They are worth it ...

Vogel612's Shadow

~adds that to the ever growing mental todo list that he never gets to

Filnor

@Vogel612'sShadow You should, they are great

Vogel612's Shadow

you're "preaching to the choir"..

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Vogel612'sShadow I am darelingely missing that, yes.

Vogel612's Shadow

"trying to break down open doors" is the semi-literal german equivalent

πάντα ῥεῖ

11:20 AM

@Vogel612'sShadow These aren't as open as they make them looking as ...

Inclusion is a point, in any directions.

Vogel612's Shadow

I think I missed at least one mental jump

πάντα ῥεῖ

Inclusion of Asperger "disordered" persons still is a point, and seriously needs to be adressed.

Vogel612's Shadow

I can't follow your line of thought... just saying

πάντα ῥεῖ

I can't even tell if I am talking for a minorized group of people, who are constantly trying to be helpful, but fail because of such mental misunderstandings.

@Vogel Again:

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Otherside [Official Music Video]

►

Questionable who should "take on" first, the more experienced person probably. But a tough job of course.

Princess Luna

@πάνταῥεῖ On SE?

πάντα ῥεῖ

11:32 AM

@PrincessLuna I dunno TBH.

Well, we could outsource all of that to SE Interpersonal Skills, but I doubt that would come up useful in practice :-D

And to remind everyone again: We're gaming!

Playing games became a wonderful insight how to do teh real thingz and biz

@Joel is another small man, and we all know what short people are thought of in the public:

Randy Newman - Short People (Official Video)

►

I'm at 185cms/200lbs ATM

And I still remember how it was being a child without a voice.

His sentence (transponed): "Cheers to all the veterans, we no longer care about you, our business premise has to change, and we need to get a different view about the VLQ obstacle" is quite offending, and discouraging to volunteers, getting @Joel's bubble bath filled with comfy bubbles.

We aren't gods, and having more bandwidth at hand doesn't justify that attitude!

@Skull I appreciate a meaning!

skull

11:54 AM

of what? May I ask

sd fp-

@skull Life

Life is life.

@Vogel612'sShadow oh, now I finally understand what @πάνταῥεῖ said before. :D

@skull without meaning? :(

rene

@skull this one??

πάντα ῥεῖ

11:57 AM

@skull Just read the recent 3-4 pages of transcript and biased attention or engagement at SE please. I started with your profile statement. Mine is ™, but I'm not actually trying to run a business about it.

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ pretty solid!

skull

@rene exactly

rene

\o/

πάντα ῥεῖ

With some bottles of beer and a joint I am able to become so ;-)

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