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yep - I have to be careful, as if they feel too much pressure, they can turn on a dime to kick or strike out with their front legs. She's terrified of people.. She has not long come out of the wild, running with a herd of totally wild horses and her mum. She will be good. All my horses end up loving me.

Journeyman Geek

hah. I had bribes. That little... ;p

it ate a sugar cube out of my hand. Then bit me. Then glared ;p

user310756

lol little minx

user310756

10:06 AM

yeh I get close to them through food

user310756

my big girl Cleo - is such a darling horse. she comes up and naps when I'm at the paddocks, she feels relaxed enough to take a break when I'm around. She's the lead mare and takes care of them all. I tell her how good she is. She gets lots of pats and hugs.

user310756

user310756

I love this pic

user310756

I'll stop spamming the Tavern with horse stuff now :/

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:)

SmokeDetector

10:57 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Has Anyone Heard of Bitcoin Trader? by Virtual on bitcoin.SE

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Sonic Wizard

I figured out an interesting tactic: whenever suggesting an edit, make an obvious typo in any added text. Thus, it's likely to be approved faster because it's reviewed by just one user who Improves it and fixes the typo, as opposed to by two users. If it's not noticed and just approved, just suggest another edit to fix the typo, and then you earn double rep.

user202362

@YvetteColomb that ... that ... looks like a mule :x

Journeyman Geek

.....

user202362

unimules, unite!

Journeyman Geek

11:06 AM

until people get mad at you for gaming the system

I mean, we do actually have more than one reviewer for a reason

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And you've get pwnd by the SE machine

Gaurang Tandon

11:21 AM

sorry for the interruption, I need a bit of help: is there anything I could do to save this FR from Roomba? I'm sorry for not having explained my FR properly in the beginning, but it looks like adding more clarification hasn't really changed anything (+2/-9 to +4/-11). What should/can I do? Thanks!

user310756

@TelKitty gasp a mule :D

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One could snark with: "Let's start with Qualirty"

user202362

@YvetteColomb yeah, feral horse X a feral donkey ~_~

Journeyman Geek

@GaurangTandon that links to a chat transcript

Gaurang Tandon

@JourneymanGeek sorry, my bad. this FR it was

user310756

11:29 AM

@TelKitty take this

user310756

they were both sleepy and dozing

user202362

fluffy <3

Journeyman Geek

hah

IN THEORY I could save it if I could fix up that incoherent ramble of an answer I have there

Sonic Wizard

@Shadow @rene chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309597/…

Journeyman Geek

11:34 AM

aww

I kinda think that question has a little more value than that

but oh well, whatever ;p

Gaurang Tandon

@JourneymanGeek please do, 33 days to Roomba! :-O

Journeyman Geek

@GaurangTandon removed the chunk that was terrible

its not a great answer but its workable.

rene

@SonicWizard added all the dupes I could find ...

user310756

This foal is called Padawan

Gaurang Tandon

11:39 AM

@JourneymanGeek hey wait, I didn't even notice you'd already posted an answer two days back. You deleted it within minutes of posting it seems :P

Journeyman Geek

ya

see the history

the earlier version was terrible

Its merely meh now :(

Gaurang Tandon

Wait, it doesn't seem to even answer my question :(

I agree with all what you posted, but then I'm asking for a new feature

Journeyman Geek

;p

SORRY!

But I think the feature isn't that useful!

and these are reasons why!

Gaurang Tandon

So none of the cases you stated would apply

Journeyman Geek

:(

ya. Its terrible

Gaurang Tandon

11:41 AM

Well, nvm

I'll just let it go

Journeyman Geek

I don't even know how to fix it and it should go away

Gaurang Tandon

Well, then delete your answer, and let it be roombaed, I'll archive it later for safe keeping

Journeyman Geek

Someone else has gotta answer?

Gaurang Tandon

No worries

Journeyman Geek

nodnods

will do

I'll see if I can write something better - but I think my attention's diverted by the new stuff going on

actually looking at it, I don't really think its answerable outside a status declined/accepted answer from TPTB

Gaurang Tandon

11:46 AM

Yep, that's right

Sonic Wizard

@rene chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309572/…

Gaurang Tandon

Though i was more hoping of an answer, from the community, along the lines of "this feature could be very useful, and here's some more elaboration on why:.." or that "this feature is useless, and here's why...". All the current comments seem to focus on the abuse potential offered by the current system, so they're off topic, or at least appear as so to me, as they don't focus on the feature request itself.

Princess Luna

@SonicWizard It's not a dupe

This question is a question about UI inconsistency between locked and historically locked posts, it's not asking what it is

Gaurang Tandon

Whoops, the bump got it another downvote. Seems like it is entirely a lost case, unless of course, a new answer is posted. No worries though. And thanks for the help. I really appreciate it!

Sonic Wizard

@PrincessLuna In the linked (faq) target: "The 'historical significance' lock reason works differently"

Princess Luna

11:53 AM

It still doesn't explain what looks like a bug. It doesn't at all mention why, when voting is locked on both posts, why one shows the voting buttons and one doesn't

Sonic Wizard

In fact, that's why we have two separate FAQs on the topic.

Journeyman Geek

the current abuse potential is why I think its a bad idea

and that I'm not sure how it makes the site/network better

Sonic Wizard

Speaking of inclusivity, maybe it's time that this declined (by Jeff) FR be reconsidered:

694

Q: Allow an edit to notify downvoters: "I think I've fixed the issue now - please check"

To me, a downvote usually indicates a problem with an answer. When I downvote it's to mark the answer as having a problem, not the person. If the answer is fixed, I want to remove that downvote - but it's tricky to keep track of all the questions I've looked at over the last few hours. I don't a...

SmokeDetector

12:16 PM

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Aaron Hall

12:30 PM

> Overall, for mentored questions, there was an increase in the
amount of good questions asked, and reduction of
bad questions asked by Stack Overflow standards. - http://chrisparnin.me/pdf/chi18.pdf

hey

It'd be surprising if otherwise.

Aaron Hall

The Awakening by Joseph M. Martin (Full Song)

►

hey

Like, what were they doing if mentoring made it worse...

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Aaron Hall

Like, it might not have "initially scaled" but what were the ongoing costs of running it?

Were there hidden costs?

Were people helped who became more "sticky" that we'd had rather not became stuck on us? Stuck Overflow, if you will?

SmokeDetector

12:46 PM

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Aaron Hall

> Novice participants self-selected into the mentorship chat after composing a question on Stack Overflow.

Selection bias?

Journeyman Geek

presumably!

Aaron Hall

Maybe the mentorship did no good?

Journeyman Geek

I think they kinda want to get the same effect with adding questions to prompt

hmm

prompts to asking questions?

Something like that

Aaron Hall

Here's a better rendition of The Awakening, I think...

I sang it with FSU's Chorale Union.

John Dvorak

12:55 PM

Stack Exchange wants us a Clippy! D-:

Aaron Hall

> Give me questions I can't answer, not answers I can't question. - Dr. Richard Feynman

Journeyman Geek

CLIPPY IS OURS!

You can have rover.

Aaron Hall

This is a really great paper and more people should see it: chrisparnin.me/pdf/chi18.pdf

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John Dvorak

1:04 PM

Going the way SO is going, we'll soon have even more questions you'll be able to answer. I'm not saying want to answer, but that's a personal problem of those who care about a nebulous undefined "site quality" more than they do about the tangible rewards the system objectively rewards to them. Maybe the term "rep-whore" is banned because that's what we're actually supposed to do? /s

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@John Well, they killed Vlad. Those bastards.

hey

1:24 PM

If I got suspended on SE.... probably no one cares :D

Journeyman Geek

eh

@JohnDvorak or basically help other folks with being better users where its possible

hey

Replace all Q&A with a chat room

Aaron Hall

So, regarding the mentorship program, I think people want to help, so if Stack Overflow can match them up with people who need help, it'll help more new questioners, and improve the site overall.

Journeyman Geek

@AaronHall or even within the current framework, comment (asking for clarification), edit (as needed)....

Aaron Hall

Don't forget downvote and vote to close.

Journeyman Geek

1:37 PM

true

hey

Just like writing papers, some professors are likeable, some aren't. Will there be any "rule-of-conduct" requirements to be a mentor? Also, consider "bad day"...

Journeyman Geek

but that's janitorial work, not mentorship

hey

Hmm, ratings and reviews for each mentor (uhh...)

Aaron Hall

It's hard to teach a class when someone's running a vacuum in it.

Journeyman Geek

It makes the site purely pleasant for other users

Aaron Hall

1:39 PM

Assuming no selection bias, according to the paper, the mentorship program decreased "bad" questions by 20% and increased "good" questions by about the same percentage.

Journeyman Geek

I guess the big problem there is scalability

What's the incentive for mentors? How do you mass match mentors and new users?

hey

And users deliberately trolling mentors

Aaron Hall

What's the big problem if it doesn't scale?

Journeyman Geek

hmm

hey

(like some "live chat" button on some websites)

Aaron Hall

1:41 PM

If the goal is to help marginal users, it will help some marginal users.

That's a marginal improvement.

Journeyman Geek

if you have folks trying to get mentorship and failing, in some sense it may end up worse

and just cause something works on a small scale may not work on a broader scale

@Undo minirant time?

Undo

Easy enough to turn it on/off on whatever criteria we want.

Aaron Hall

'sorry, no "mentors" available at this time, would you like to publish now or wait for a mentor? expected time for an available mentor is 20 minutes'

Journeyman Geek

@Undo I actually like the template idea better

Undo

Imagine a system that really pushes mentorship if you’ve already asked a bad question. Less volume, more benefit to the site and the user.

I definitely want templates. It’d be a great thing to get out of this

John Dvorak

1:44 PM

What if I know even before my first question that I'll need a mentor?

Journeyman Geek

Or SO will certainly get it

John Dvorak

(the most likely scenario)

hey

'while waiting, do you want to watch how mentorship works and helps you?' click... watching YouTube videos demonstrating a successful mentorship case

Undo

@JohnDvorak Button can still be there, just not red and flashing.

Aaron Hall

@JourneymanGeek "Hate bad questions? Uncle SO wants YOU. Join the mentorship battalion! Get your mentorship badge! Earn real-world reputation as a helpful person, today!"

Journeyman Geek

1:45 PM

@AaronHall oddly enough? I have a lot of reputation

and maybe a bit of a Reputation.

Undo

@JohnDvorak I challenge the notion that folks who don’t bother reading the /ask interstitial will actively seek out mentorship. Some, perhaps, not a majority or even close.

Journeyman Geek

And on the rare occation I get sucked into a bit of mentorship I feel badly prepared for, but seems to work anyway ;p

@Undo I do think the multipage FAQ is a mistake

John Dvorak

@Undo agreed. But what about those that do care?

Journeyman Geek

have for years

Undo

@JohnDvorak Give them a button, but don’t emphasize it. It’s pretty easy to tune a UI to attract whatever users you want.

hey

1:47 PM

@JourneymanGeek we actually need multipage question wizard page, not FAQ...

Undo

this is all just me spitballing, if we can scale mentorship to handle first-time askers in bulk that’d be awesome. Otherwise, focus on the places that can most use the help.

John Dvorak

more mentors, more chatrooms

hey

on mentorship.stackoverflow.com domain

~~(and tv.stackoverflow.com)~~

Undo

@JohnDvorak SO gets a ridiculously huge number of questions, remember.

John Dvorak

And yet they whine they don't get enough newbies

Undo

1:50 PM

I don't think you're going to find enough mentors to handle it. But hey, if we do, awesome

John Dvorak

Drop the end part, and have just a bunch of chatrooms with askers and answerers?

Undo

afk. Minirant will come if I think about something to rant about

Journeyman Geek

more that prospective newbies find the place challenging

John Dvorak

And if the chat provides something useful, then ask a lasting question

Journeyman Geek

heh

that's interesting

My first SU post was an answer

and my first 3 questions are closed. And the 3rd and 4th deleted

Aaron Hall

1:53 PM

A good question and a good answer are two things.

hey

Hmm, yeh, what should mentor do if the mentee wanted to ask obvious off-topic question...

Journeyman Geek

my early posts feel like neither in hindsite

@hey I think its pretty clear you don't like this idea ;)

hey

@JourneymanGeek not really, I just have a doubt since I usually consider myself the most negative person in the office thinking all possible bad cases that could happen...

Aaron Hall

@hey if you read the paper, they dealt with that problem.

John Dvorak

"mentee" might be my new favorite word

Journeyman Geek

1:56 PM

in a sense though, someone telling someone they shouldn't ask OT questions and getting listened to saves everyone a lot of time and grief

Aaron Hall

@JourneymanGeek in every sense

John Dvorak

The new issue is newbies whining that they got told by mentors their questions are OT, and asking anyways, getting smacked and whining even more. I wouldn't worry about it, but I still expect it to happen.

Journeyman Geek

hence the in a sense

but then they arn't listening

and just want somewhere to post questions

Aaron Hall

@JohnDvorak That's not really an issue. They can't even complain that they were misled or had their expectations mismanaged.

John Dvorak

agreed

hey

2:04 PM

eating Mentos now...

just read the paper... do they have some details in mentees's cultural background, like... spoken language?

maybe I missed it somewhere

user202362

I am overdosing in coughing medicine - recommended dosage does not seem to work

hey

err... check respiratory instead?

user202362

don't want to wake up 3 times by coughing again tonight

user202362

2:25 PM

nothing wrong with my respiratory system ... just some coughing THAT ANNOYS ME AT NIGHT!!!

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sd why

SmokeDetector

@πάνταῥεῖ [:6902149] Post - Bad keyword cheap in link text

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sd tp

sd poof

@SmokeDetector tp

sd poof

WELZ

@πάνταῥεῖ I'd say it's a fp

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2:41 PM

Lets wait until the airline link appears again.

rene

2:51 PM

@ShadowWizard did your sock escaped here?

Princess Luna

@πάνταῥεῖ it's a fp

Don't flag answers as spam when the question is asking for recommendations

if you did that, most of the answers on softwarerecs would be spam

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@SmokeDetector fp

sd poof

Princess Luna

And if you add - behind the feedback (fp-) SD doesn't post messages you need to poof afterwards :3

hey

@SmokeDetector why-

yep, it works

Princess Luna

Lol, didn't know why was affected xD

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3:10 PM

@Princess My - key is sticky today

Shadow Wizard

3:26 PM

@rene lol no, more likely sock of this user. ;)

@πάνταῥεῖ what made it sticky? o_O

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sweets of course

Shadow Wizard

lol

Princess Luna

@πάνταῥεῖ spilling sugar on it? :P

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free candy for everyone

user315433

sigh snow/rain mix. I wish the weather would stop being so... hostile.

Princess Luna

3:37 PM

Isn't there a word for snow/rain mixes in English?

user315433

sleet

Noun: sleet (countable and uncountable, plural sleets)

(chiefly Britain, Ireland) A mixture of rain and snow.
Rain which freezes before reaching the ground.
(firearms) Part of a mortar extending from the chamber to the trunnions.
sleet ...

Verb: sleet (third-person singular simple present sleets, present participle sleeting, simple past and past participle sleeted)

(impersonal, of the weather) To be in a state in which sleet is falling.
I won't bother going out until it's stopped sleeting.

user315433

Precise meaning varies by region, so I wouldn't use it. No ice pellets here, just droplets and snowlumps (not individual snowflakes)

user315433

> I'm facing the same issue in GoDaddy. Http is redirected to https, but for the naked domain (https://naked.com) I always get a certificate error. Any help will be appreciated.

user315433

I'm sure this is a perfectly good example of a naked domain...

Princess Luna

lol

hichris123

4:03 PM

Princess Luna

Does anyone know if Meta is broken?

user315433

Okay, sleet. But the weather forecast never uses the word. It's "frozen mix" or some such

Princess Luna

Guessing it's an uncommon word?

//shrug

user359686

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hichris123

@bro Yeah, typically the US "true" definition of sleet is only for ice pellets formed like that. So if it's a mix of that and snow, it's a "wintery mix" or "frozen mix".

user315433

4:06 PM

You answered 7 Earth Science questions in April 2014, got appointed a mod, and answered 1 question since.

user315433

ಠ_ಠ

user315433

Are chat rooms still shown in the sidebar of SO homepage / question pages?

hichris123

Yeah, I'm the least active mod in posting. But I do handle a lot of flags.

Princess Luna

@bro Periodically

hey

huh, which chat rooms?

> Where to look for C# projects with details instructions to start for a new bee like me?

user315433

4:15 PM

The most active ones, which I imagine are SOCVR-related and JS/C++.

user315433

But I don't see that myself, as I'm hiding a lot of content.

user315433

Looks like a partial solution to the chat drama would be to not show the chatrooms there. They are useless for new users anyway.

user315433

More room for ads, hot questions and whatnot.

hey

Just show more neutral chat room like Tavern on SO... erm.....

user315433

Tavern on SO had "to register a complaint, press Ctrl-W" in its room description.

user315433

4:19 PM

Could be a site-wide banner.

user315433

But it kind of excludes Mac users, so probably not,

hey

so not inclusive...

user315433

4:38 PM

On my way to/from work I pass open basketball courts, for anyone wishing to play. Yet to see a game between women there. Why?

user315433

Could it be that some games are appealing to some demographic groups more than to others?

user315433

(It's not like the courts are always crowded; they stand empty for stretches of time.)

user315433

If you're from SO leadership, you try to solve the problem by changing the rules of basketball to make it more like synchronized swimming.

hey

Like 5 players controlled by only 1 controller...

user315433

4:55 PM

> It stoped being welcoming when “subjective” questions were removed. Removing preomammer jokes was the worst mistake! -- Pop Catalin at 9:46 AM - 29 Apr 2018

user315433

Because those jokes were so inclusive...

hichris123

@bro But a better analogy would be that you hear some women (as well as some men) complaining about how the basketball courts aren't inclusive, as the experienced men insult those who are just starting out.

user315433

Nobody is defending insults. I'm talking about the process of looking at survey data, seeing low % of women, and deciding it's necessary to cry and vomit because of that.

user315433

It's pretty clear that any kind of quality control can be perceived as hostile: votes, edits, comments, to say nothing of close and delete votes. And people with vulnerabilities of sorts are affected by perceived hostility more.

user315433

So if their perceptions are to shape site mechanisms, there should be no quality control.

hichris123

4:59 PM

But if you take a survey of those on the basketball court, find that it's mostly men, and hear women talking about how they want to play on those courts, doesn't 2+2=4 there?

user315433

By surveying a large enough group of people one can find evidence of anything, including bigfoot and UFO.

John Dvorak

stack overflow for women? (not serious, please don't hurt me)

3

hichris123

@bro Sure, and voluntary response bias exists. But it seems likely enough that the small percentage of respondents who were women is significantly different than the percentage of women in the entire industry.

user315433

Yes, for any number of reasons. How about this: household chores not being divided equally, women in tech have less time left to participate on SO.

user315433

Or: women in tech have to deliver 150% to get the same compensation, so they can't afford to spend work time on SO.

user315433

5:07 PM

Or: women in tech see their position in the organization less stable (not a member of in-group), so cannot risk to be perceived as being off-task on company time.

hichris123

Okay, conduct an experiment, see if that's true. Likely some effect there. But when people are telling you their personal experience of why they don't participate... listening can solve their issue. Sure, maybe they're not representative of all $group. But it's at least something.

John Dvorak

Why do woman programmers get less salary?

@hichris123 nobody seems to care why I no longer answer anything

I'm in the "cares too much about site quality but unable to answer the good questions" minority

hichris123

Yeah, I hope this effort by SE will focus on both becoming more inclusive and weeding out low quality questions. Both are issues facing the community.

rene

@JohnDvorak that is not limited to programmers sadly and weird enough

John Dvorak

If anything you'd expect women of equal skill to be paid more, not less...

Maybe a form of prejudice where women are perceived to have less skill than they actually do?

user315433

5:42 PM

There is stuff written on the topic... my point is, if gender bias in tech industry exists at all, then surely SO does not hold monopoly on it. And whatever bias is present elsewhere can manifest itself in SO survey data.

Princess Luna

@JohnDvorak TRIGGERED :p (not really :P)

user315433

6:16 PM

Let's see... what in the transcript of this room would make the best Twitter outrage thread?

user315433

Probably something involving a cat and sunglasses.

hey

6:53 PM

@JohnDvorak welp, this. I lose more time to answer everytime I get more privileges to moderate the site...

It's relaxing to not care about the site's quality...

user315433

Everclear - Everything To Everyone

►

user315433

New Stack Overflow model

user315433

I think you like to be the victim // I think you like to be in pain // I think you make yourself a victim // Almost every single day

user315433

7:13 PM

When a comment is flagged, do moderators see whether the flag is by the author of the post being commented on?

user315433

Knowing this would help in evaluating the situation: if a comment is something that's only useful to the OP, and they read it already, it's obviously NLN.

Shadow Wizard

7:35 PM

@JohnDvorak why you no longer answer anything?

See? I care. :)

John Dvorak

2 hours ago, by John Dvorak

I'm in the "cares too much about site quality but unable to answer the good questions" minority

I wish I could provide a more detailed explanation

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak need translation to plain language... you mean you don't answer the "easy" questions out of principle, and let others do it instead?

John Dvorak

I don't wish anyone to answer those questions that I refrain myself from answering.

Should I change my ways and start answering more?

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak if you just want rep then yes. If you want to do your small part in the endless fight of raising SO quality, then no.

I agree that nuking/not answering low quality questions will lead to better quality in the long run, but there's a line somewhere... and I have no clue where that line is being drawn.

Shog9

Don't answer dups. Edit everything else that you answer. The notion that you shouldn't answer even when you can because the question is crap ignores the primary advantage of SO over traditional forums: editing.

Shadow Wizard

7:48 PM

@Shog9 I think he means crap that can't be edited into good shape.

John Dvorak

I do

Shadow Wizard

e.g. some "this code isn't working, show me why plz", which is likely most of the "easy" questions.

Shog9

Such as...?

Specific example

Shadow Wizard

or even without "isn't working", just "I need to do X, plz guide me how to do that, I have no idea where to start".

Shog9

Gotta be a question you could answer, and would answer save for your desire to not answer crap

John Dvorak

7:50 PM

Here's a quick sample from the SOCVR room stackoverflow.com/questions/50089890/…

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 sec, I was about to answer one earlier today, let's see...

0

Q: Getting form’s select list values before form’s submission

I want to get the values from selected “select list option fields” in a form, before submit the form, and use them as variables in my web page. For example: I have the form bellow: <form> <select name="test"> <option value="111">Something</option> <option value="222">Something</option> <option ...

javascript vbscript asp-classic

this isn't crap, but obvious "do this for me".

user5389107

@Shog9 I've found the problem with this is by the time I'm done editing and start writing my answer 3 other people have already written theirs and then I don't have a chance anymore

Shadow Wizard

> I learned that what I need can be done with JavaScript, but unfortunately I am completely ignorant with JavaScript. Could anyone guides me?

See what I mean? ^

user5389107

I guess your strategy works if you're planning on making an excellent question and really excellent answer out of it.

John Dvorak

Then there are questions like these... stackoverflow.com/questions/50090640/…

Shog9

7:52 PM

@ShadowWizard that's a question you'd want to answer?

John Dvorak

@Shog9 that's a question that's answerable and not a duplicate, yet nothing we'd want to answer

user315433

@ShadowWizard So, what else is left after "do this for me" is removed? "Find a bug in my code?"

John Dvorak

... I don't want to answer "please find the missing bracket in these 300 lines of code" either

not a dupe either

user315433

What do you want, then?

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 I can answer by giving full code, yes. Think I should do it?

Shog9

7:54 PM

3 mins ago, by Shog9

Gotta be a question you could answer, and would answer save for your desire to not answer crap

@ShadowWizard if that sounds fun...

John Dvorak

@bro I wish I knew

user315433

I recommend a turkey sandwich with cranberry sauce.

user5389107

@Shog9 Would you be okay with people doing that? Answering low effort derivative garbage because it's fun for them?

user315433

Or maybe I'm just projecting.

user5389107

I'm pretty sure I'd get raked over the coals if I answered every "Hey I can do this homework thing I might even enjoiy it" question

John Dvorak

7:55 PM

This one's really easy to answer but I don't feel like it should be: stackoverflow.com/questions/50090665/…

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 it is... will take me ~10 minutes or so to write decent code, 15 if I want to test it before posting, but it's pure spoon feeding. We really want this in SO?

user315433

@user5389107 I answer low effort garbage when it's fun for me.

user315433

Haven't been suspended yet (well I was but not for that)

user315433

So, apparently it's okay to do that.

user5389107

Sometimes I see SQL question where I think "That could be fun, but it's also a no-effort homework problem and if I tell OP how to solve this I will have done a disservice to their education and add another inconsequential unhelpful piece of writing to the site"

John Dvorak

7:57 PM

Maybe answer with general advice that leads to the solution but stop short of actual code?

user5389107

Like what would be a frame challenge on IPS but for SO? Interesting

Shadow Wizard

@bro actually no, what is left is a pretty common AJAX usage. Anyone who spent few hours learning AJAX will be able to reach the same answer I was about to write by themselves.

user5389107

@ShadowWizard Out of curiosity from an AJAX newbie, put a timer and periodically put forth an ajax request with the currently selected value and process the response?

user315433

@user5389107 Maybe begin to care less about asker and more about what's fun for you?

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