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user310756

12:01 AM

well comments won't be deleted as rude, unless they're rude

user310756

It becomes a little exhausting after a while, as you should well and truly know by now what will get you into trouble and what will not. You know the rules, if a mod has confirmed that the problem is not you, then don't worry.

user202362

My comments have disappeared a few times, they are not rude, they are just ... gone, it's almost like there is a stalker behind me stealing my comments :x

user310756

@TelKitty gasp comment theft!

user315433

@SmokeDetector That's the actual name of a library...

πάντα ῥεῖ

I politely asked about a clarification, and OP's reaction immediately was "Don't be rude ..."

And probably flagged so.

user310756

12:05 AM

@πάνταῥεῖ yeh - but that kind of stuff happens continuously

user310756

@πάνταῥεῖ so?

user202362

@YvetteColomb for you

user310756

if it's not rude the flag will not be validated

πάντα ῥεῖ

There was a lot of stuff deleted partly by mods, partly by myself.

user310756

@TelKitty :)

user310756

12:08 AM

@bro exactly - I don't understand the point of this discussion.

πάντα ῥεῖ

And at least that OP started to blame me at this meta post (you should take a look at the edit history)

I am also human only, and my patience is limited to some point.

Journeyman Geek

12:23 AM

If you're out of patience why not step back and let someone else deal with it?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek I did of course :-P

@TelKitty Seems I'm an official member in the troll community now :3

HTTPS

on some sites, you either get "harsh" comment, or no comment at all (but a closed banner)

πάντα ῥεῖ

I'm preferring the latter meanwhile.

user202362

@πάνταῥεῖ community is for lowly trolls, 1337 trolls form syndicate

user202362

just saying ... :x

πάντα ῥεῖ

12:36 AM

Does that mean I have to be fluent with 1337 speech?

HTTPS

But not all close banners provide suggestions for improvement to the OP, leaving them confused and well... think the site is rude :)

"the site"... hmm... it's like saying "the internet is rude"!

Journeyman Geek

Nope not really,

I tend to post comments there

also sigh. I have no idea how to deal with people who don't get SE works nothing like a forum

πάντα ῥεῖ

Similar case today:
> https://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/192668/abridgment-vb-net-code
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49959881/abridgment-vb-net-code

I politely made the OP aware not to cross-post (please)

Mentioned earlier in todays transcript as well

Journeyman Geek

ah

Also with comments

personally I wish we could have comment suspensions

it would solve so many problems.

πάντα ῥεῖ

I agree, but there seem to be edge cases. That's all of my point.

Journeyman Geek

12:41 AM

@πάνταῥεῖ not automatically ;p

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, such kinda stuff might disappear as soon my suspension is lifted.

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ didn't you get suspended more than once? ;p

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Yes, I've learned the lesson well I think.

Journeyman Geek

and wouldn't it be preferable to not to be able to comment to not to post at all? ;p

(also cough chat suspensions)

πάντα ῥεῖ

That might auto throttle heatenings, yes

πάντα ῥεῖ

1:04 AM

@userunknown Eine harte Nuss Du bist. Ja.

Wenn das mal nicht rüde oder gar unverschämt war!

Journeyman Geek

1:19 AM

hmm

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Journey To enlighten you:

@userunknown "Du bist aber auch eine harte Nuss!" vs. Yoda: "Eine harte Nuss Du bist." :-D — πάντα ῥεῖ 30 mins ago

user202362

The good thing about having your own business is that you can play strategy more with your opponents. Opponent is a rather an abstract term. It can be a specific person, the authority, or the mass.

user202362

I mean gaming websites can be fun, but playing strategy in real life is great in its own way - you win in real terms.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Good point!

Playing the SE game at least has a significant influence for my social and professional behavior.

So yes, there's an overall gain I believe.

HTTPS

1:46 AM

Rainy morning ._.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Paul McCartney - Good Day Sunshine

►

Heads up!

user202362

sun baked chickens are not baked at all :x

Sonic Wizard

@TelKitty Hard to tell you and @bro apart :)

πάντα ῥεῖ

It's way overrated yes

user315433

Put those SE site links with a few bits of trivia => blog post Moderatorship connections between Stack Exchange sites

πάντα ῥεῖ

1:51 AM

@SonicWizard I am probably the only one here not running a sock or bot aside

:-)

Sonic Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ Well, I'm not either (yet)

user202362

I don't use bot or sock on this site either ... unless I am scraping, but I have only scraped once in the past.

user202362

John Murphy - Sunshine (Adagio In D Minor)

►

πάντα ῥεῖ

^ That's nice

user202362

yeah, also the spaceship in that movie is awesome

πάντα ῥεῖ

2:04 AM

I'll take that to my dreams with me. Good night all you owls ...

user202362

laterZzz

user202362

My dog heard this, he's now a wolf.

user202362

need dogs to volunteer for the experiment

πάντα ῥεῖ

sd tpu-

user315433

aditya is persistent like a cookie

user315433

2:28 AM

21,520 votes up, 0 down. Like there are no bad questions in [r] tag...

user315433

> Any luck with this query?? I am facing the same issue with bobcat

user315433

Instead of data, query returned bobcat. Would not run again.

HTTPS

2:43 AM

bo~b cat

πάντα ῥεῖ

@HTTPS i.imgur.com/TFGbMCT.jpg ?

I have to admit I didn't gone to bed, yes :-P

user202362

3:39 AM

got my swag

Journeyman Geek

3:57 AM

Yay

HTTPS

Yay

I almost typed "8:00 UTF", confusing UTF-8 and UTC, and decided to use GMT instead ._.

user202362

@JourneymanGeek Sent last Friday?!!

HTTPS

You live in Wallaby?

user202362

4:13 AM

| != \

Journeyman Geek

4:23 AM

They do send it over courier. It's fast

user202362

Gaurang Tandon

Hello, I have a small question, if I put a bounty on this feature-request - meta.stackexchange.com/q/193061 - what are the chances it will be implemented by SE staff?

Journeyman Geek

Exactly the same as if you didn't

Gaurang Tandon

:(

alright

Journeyman Geek

4:40 AM

The point of bounties on meta... Kinda lost on me.

Just means you have rep to burn and want to get attention. Dosen't help your chances in any way.

Me? I think I'll help people and rack up a high score

HTTPS

The point of bounties on meta... is to increase reputation to the OP :/

Gaurang Tandon

oh well :/

@HTTPS "reputation" as in fame and not as in points?

HTTPS

point, literally :(

Gaurang Tandon

oh

Journeyman Geek

Also, at this point, no pun intended...

Its going to be very hard to get "fundamental" features like that in without a really good business arguement

I mean, say right now, SO Corp's focus is on Enterprise (and ~~channels~~ teams) in terms of development, and I assume making SO less toxic in terms of "soft" issues

Any FR outside that that dosen't directly impact SO corp's bottomline or reputation probably won't be a high priority.

HTTPS

4:47 AM

SO Teams is the answer to the inclusivity problem: prepare for "SO for Beginners" Teams

Journeyman Geek

One of the biggest problems with something that tweaks site mechanics is that Its worked fine so far

HTTPS

and increase ads by 500% on that team.

Gaurang Tandon

but really, how much time does that take to get that done? i mean, even if a developer sets aside two hours per week, they could get four such FRs done in a month, or more than thirty in an year

or maybe an hour per week, and two FRs per month

Journeyman Geek

@GaurangTandon that's a good question, as as an outsider I have no idea

Gaurang Tandon

@JourneymanGeek well, right. nevermind, i guess this is the reason

Journeyman Geek

4:51 AM

Lets also consider - SE is looking for the next thing

Docs sucked up a lot of CM and dev time and was a failure...

and basically teams needs to succeed in some fashion at this point

HTTPS

Last time someone pointed this answer

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A: Recent feature changes to Stack Exchange

February 2018 2018-02-14: Post owners can no longer delete their own question if at least one of the answers has earned a bounty. 2018-02-13: Bounty owners no longer get their bounties refunded on question deletion if the bounty awardee would get to keep it. January 2018 2018-01-11: The n...

Journeyman Geek

ah yes I was looking for that

HTTPS

wondered why there's no continuation after that...

Journeyman Geek

Oh yes, top bar redesign.

I think the current big, behind the scenes project, for example is the new "unified" site designs

(Which falls under the "most folks benefit, but ugh, I hope we do not lose some of the awesome distinctive aspects of current designs")

Gaurang Tandon

@HTTPS oh, feb 2018 :-O

HTTPS

4:53 AM

also this

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Q: 2017 TeamDAG project updates

Who is TeamDAG? What is the TeamDAG working on? Why are you working on that and not [insert favorite feature request here]. These are some of the questions that we hear regularly on meta.so and meta.se. In an attempt to answer them, we are kicking off regular updates from the DAG team. Thes...

~~waiting for 2018 version~~ oops, there is

Journeyman Geek

and heh

Also, its worth remembering that Q&A didn't really have a proper PM for ages

and for quite a bit, it was literally 3 devs hacking whatever was needed, including a founder/C level person ;p

Gaurang Tandon

o.O

Journeyman Geek

@GaurangTandon I've been here a while

there was a point where Jeff Atwood would probably literally go "this looks like a good idea" and do it ;p

but the network was a lot smaller then

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Q: Have an option to watch a question without posting

I'd like to be able to keep track of a post that interests me, while not actually posting (since I have the same question, and nothing useful to actually add.) Since I can get email notification of my questions and answers, would it be possible to add a 'watch this topic' option somewhere?

feature-request status-completed

Gaurang Tandon

@JourneymanGeek :P

Journeyman Geek

Even then, it took a while

Gaurang Tandon

4:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek hmm, interesting

Journeyman Geek

Software development ain't like dusting crops, boy....

That was literally my first MSE question ;p

Gaurang Tandon

hehe

Journeyman Geek

Also dosen't help that a good many of my FRs are for chat.

user202362

5:30 AM

How come M sized stackoverflow women's t-shirt is tiny but L sized stackexchange unisex t-shirt is gigantic??

user202362

should I start a meta question on this??

user315433

Definitely. The timing is perfect.

user202362

Perfect for what? Question ban?

user315433

For suggesting implicit bias on the part of SO employees, manifested in their swag choices.

user315433

Seeing as they are reeling in white male guilt already, they'll probably send you more swag in compensation.

user202362

5:45 AM

I don't need more swags

user202362

but it bothers me to assume woman are supposed to be slim and man are not

user202362

also I don't know why they would feel the guilt if they have not done anything wrong, very suspicious ...

Sonic Wizard

5:58 AM

Comments IRL

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user202362

emotional instability is drawback

user202362

speaking of which I have a friend who I suspect to have mental issues

user202362

she suspect that her house to be sneaked into and her stuff to be stolen and people are stalking her in real life but I and her other friends have never seen any concrete evidence ...

user202362

she would look at others with those weird looks and those people would return weird looks and she probably thought they were after her because people return weird looks

user202362

sometimes it's not the world, just you becoming hypersensitive ...

Journeyman Geek

6:11 AM

....

@bro there comes a point where a joke's somewhat overdone...

user202362

it's true though

Journeyman Geek

and it really feels like it.

I mean, yeah, this whole being accused of being toxic stings but ... arn't we just resembling that by constantly bringing that up?

user202362

I thought stackoverflow is big enough to not have to do self promotion like that

Journeyman Geek

@TelKitty I think they do it cause the community seems to love it

user202362

who are community?

Journeyman Geek

6:14 AM

and I'd like to think under all that fuss about making money, and enterprise and such...

@TelKitty you designed a silly hat to get a package of random branded items from a website...

I think you're community?

and I can't imagine google or facebook sending a user swag ;p

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek We frequently obtain such swag directly from company reps at recruiting events at my university

user202362

But I don't want to become a part of community, I only want to be a part of syndicate </trollololo>

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard sending

like individually

I'd point out, at this point outside new site swag (which seems to have stopped), most folks who'd get swag are already heavily invested in the sites. Its less advertising and more a certain degree of.. what's that word

acknowledgement?

Sonic Wizard

In fact, me and a lot of my friends here have made it a habit to stockpile company T-shirts

@JourneymanGeek Belt-tightening at work?

user315433

@JourneymanGeek Google does, and more than some stickers or t-shirts: topcontributor.withgoogle.com/?hl=en-US

Journeyman Geek

6:19 AM

@SonicWizard actually, partially site deisgned have stopped

hm, ok

Yeah, that is neat, and I guess I stand corrected?

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek How was your 20th birthday like?

user202362

@bro imagine you are a patient, and I am your psychiatrist, let's talk about your issues

Journeyman Geek

errrr

I don't quite remember

OH!

Was in the military. I think I had a ton of beer poured on my head.

Sonic Wizard

Legal drinking age is 21 here in the U.S., I imagine it's lower in SG?

user202362

I have scrapped google and facebook recently, I am only an amateur though ... and I have more important things to do so ...

Journeyman Geek

6:22 AM

I didn't drink any

I'm teetotal.

Sonic Wizard

I'm likely to become one

user202362

@SonicWizard you don't go over to mexico to get drunk?

Sonic Wizard

@TelKitty Haha no

user315433

6:33 AM

Opening Quantum Computing and aws.amazon.com in two tabs... hm, indeed. Does anyone else feel that the logo for this stack is too similar to Amazon Web Services' favicon?

HTTPS

I think Telkitty could get more swags by sending her SE-themed chooks...

user202362

let's start a conversation on how I am bullied on this site ...

HTTPS

@bro we have a precedent: What is Quora's logo doing on Stack Overflow's “2018 developer Survey” page as favicon?

user202362

Until last Thursday, I was the ONLY one on this chat that should but have not received a swag, and I was suspended on chat for NO reasons.

HTTPS

:O

Journeyman Geek

7:56 AM

@TelKitty you were suspended? 0_0

I'd say whoever did that clearly needs a stern talking to.

(or a pat on the back. depending)

Shadow Wizard

8:21 AM

I have clarified the question, now it should be clear enough to be reopened. — Shadow Wizard 26 secs ago

/cc @Sonic ^

@JourneymanGeek she got chat ban tons of times in the past, sure.

Think most after posting message like "pussy" out of context, then claiming she meant her cats and playing innocent.

Journeyman Geek

ah ok

26 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek

(or a pat on the back. depending)

Shadow Wizard

That's how she earned her Troll title...

user202362

8:38 AM

Once I posted a cat picture and it was deleted ... they deleted a cat picture, I don't know what to think ...

user310756

@TelKitty maybe they were chicken? :)

Shadow Wizard

@TelKitty the horror! Next they'll burn books!

@YvetteColomb rofl!

Journeyman Geek

@YvetteColomb that's... Dad joke level. And cunning linguistics.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard reminder:

Oct 28 '16 at 14:34, by Derpy

There have been some minor UI adjustment in the meantime, but the button is still there, waiting.

Sonic Wizard

8:58 AM

@Shadow You look too similar to Rouge :) (cc @PrincessLuna)

Shadow Wizard

@JNat another cross site spammer... sure spam here, looks like they spammed SO too according to their badges. Thanks!

@SonicWizard huh! Didn't think of that... but name is different enough. ;)

Dragon is also temporary, better than the drink, especially when we're having a cool weather so far this week. :)

(22-25 degrees)

Journeyman Geek

wait. @Derpy has a userscript to tell people they are Uncouth?

Princess Luna

@SonicWizard Hm?

@Derpy XD

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek whoa, you didn't notice yet?? He gloats about it many times.... :P

HTTPS

@JourneymanGeek incoming "you're so uncouth"

Princess Luna

9:03 AM

I need that userscript :D

Shadow Wizard

It was used in Den tons of times when he was active there, but in the past few years he used it here in Tavern too.

Journeyman Geek

ah ;p

Sonic Wizard

Princess Luna

@SonicWizard Again, ?

Sonic Wizard

By the way, it's time for another username change...this time no survey link, just freeform suggestions (but they must begin with Sonic ).

Shadow Wizard

9:06 AM

huh, 34 times! /cc @Derpy

Princess Luna

um, tf

Sonic Wizard

@PrincessLuna Check @Shadow's avatar (on MSE, hasn't synced to chat yet).

Shadow Wizard

yup ^

Princess Luna

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard Sonic Shadow?

Princess Luna

9:07 AM

@ShadowWizard oh wat, it loaded. nvm ^^' Aww, thought the userscript did more :D

HTTPS

I thought you have a good internet filter to... uncouth thingy...

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna something on your side is blocking something

Probably some fancy userscript you installed...

@HTTPS who have?

oh, @Pri?

HTTPS

yes.

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna like what? Auto flag? ;)

Princess Luna

I'm using tor. Tor is slow AF.

Sonic Wizard

9:09 AM

@HTTPS Quick, now that Norm's out, which username are you going to use?

Princess Luna

waffles

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna nah, better auto invite the user to the Sugarcube Corner for a forced re-education course. :P

@Derpy your Corner is about to freeze soon, you know.

@SonicWizard gone

HTTPS

@SonicWizard I already have an idea, but forgot to do it last week...

@ShadowWizard or a userscript to change all i.stack.imgur.com/ePLTw.png to i.stack.imgur.com/v0yRJ.png

Sonic Wizard

@HTTPS "sis"?

Shadow Wizard

@HTTPS nah, that one is for me. ;)

HTTPS

9:17 AM

no, too risky

Sonic Wizard

@HTTPS Who was that intended for?

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard rip

Shadow Wizard

@HTTPS you can use Jeff. i.stack.imgur.com/eTB4n.jpg (bit NSFW language used ;))

Admit it, you always wanted to be named Jeff, now you have an excuse! :D

HTTPS

no, too risky

Shadow Wizard

chicken!

:P

JNat

9:20 AM

@ShadowWizard all gone!

Shadow Wizard

@JNat thanks!

HTTPS

@ShadowWizard no, too crispy

Shadow Wizard

@JNat how you made the network profile itself to be gone?

JNat

@ShadowWizard I deleted it

Shadow Wizard

@JNat oh, so there's actual button to delete it? Nice...

@HTTPS beef!

JNat

9:21 AM

@ShadowWizard I don't think new users have actual SE profiles, but older accounts do, and those can be deleted

on newer ones, I believe we just need to let the system sync, and if there are no other per-site profiles, there is no network profile

I could be wrong, obviously: it has happened before

Shadow Wizard

hmm....

HTTPS

Welp, I changed my username and avatar

... only to realize that bro has changed his avatar again to avoid the similarity to Telkitty's -_-

huh, already updated!?

Mithrandir

hey, look at that

Princess Luna

Guess there's no more https for the tavern. Guess it's back to http :<

(yeah, I know your username isn't http, but since there's no https it falls back to http)

Shadow Wizard

@hey yeah it can be few seconds to one hour, never figured the exact logic

@PrincessLuna no, there is probably onebox to non-https image

Princess Luna

9:25 AM

ssh, don't ruin my already crappy joke :p

Shadow Wizard

@Pri this chat message cause the https to "fail" on modern browsers.

← 1 message moved from Shadow's Den

Princess Luna

nvm :3

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna Tor

Princess Luna

problem solved on refresh

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna hehe, but it's not joke...

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Q: Don't allow embedded images from HTTP sources in chat

Quite often I see a mixed content warning when looking at an SE chat room: This is typically caused by images linked in chat hosted on an HTTP source, not an HTTPS one like the SE Imgur account. Sometimes it is also caused by oneboxing of external content (this particular example is from a one...

feature-request chat images ssl

Princess Luna

9:27 AM

HttpsEverywhere ftw

But apparently not working with @hey :p

hey

You should use HeyEverywhere

Princess Luna

aw, it's not firefox compatible :c

Shadow Wizard

Hey You

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If I'd be part of the game, I'd totally change now to "You". :D

Princess Luna

lol

hey

or just... "everyone"

Shadow Wizard

9:36 AM

@eve... hmm...

oh, maybe "hmm". :D

user202362

Civciv ile şaka olmaz

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user202362

^ me and mods @ShadowWizard @YvetteColomb

Shadow Wizard

Everyone, Nagpur, India

101 2

@TelKitty civciv to you too!

hey

> I just hate the downvoters on SO so much, that I open an account just to upvote every question they downvote arbiturarily. -- from a user on SO who doesn't have enough rep to upvote

@TelKitty related videos are good too

user359686

@Derpy 'nuther princess is gonna join soon :3

Derpy

9:45 AM

@JourneymanGeek yes, I have. I was tired of having to find the picture url 6-8 times a day (thanks to @ShadowWizard&friends) so I automated the process. And since I was at it, I also throw in a Rarity-themed UI.

@SonicWizard Sonic... Screwdriver.

Princess Luna

:o

Arg, I hate the chat update delay >.>

Derpy

@Alisha Big Mac?

Princess Luna

She's slightly broken 'til the username update hits btw

user310756

@TelKitty lol so accurate... I miss you!!!

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