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Journeyman Geek

12:01 AM

@hichris123 the first one is a great comment written by someone who cares. The latter probably wears out his Ctrl C and V :p

@JonEricson Sent. I will say this though, it is hard not to react when a group is coordinating like this.

Journeyman Geek

@hichris123 I tend to inline images even if I close/downvoted

:p

Me too, copyediting first post review, then CV it

12:38 AM

@ShadowWizard :P

user202362

12:49 AM

@YvetteColomb looks awesome :) if you raise horses from baby, would they get more attached to you?

1:07 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, fairly good summary of it.

user315433

1:56 AM

Suggested edit changed the title from "I can't read or wright to the registry" to "I can't read or right to the registry". :-/

user202362

2:09 AM

@jon how come I have still not received swag, I should according to the Dec hat question ...

user310756

3:15 AM

@TelKitty possibly

3:50 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309303/…

user315433

4:08 AM

Please charge your battery — bro 26 secs ago

Journeyman Geek

@bro Ironically... he is in that image

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/q/309305/135565

sigh

user202362

4:23 AM

I want to find a gif to describe an action being too slow, but instead I found this:

user202362

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Journeyman Geek

Posted a comment with my alt account cause I'm convinced OP will get angry and cuss me out

Clearly at this point I should just get aibo deletion rights on SU and use that to VTD ;p

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6:08 AM

This post was made some three years ago: Triage and Help & Improvement review queues at sites other than Stack Overflow?

Are there some sites other than SO that use triage? (I gather that at the time of the post the answer was no.)

no

Journeyman Geek

still no

and I don't seem to think there's any plan to?

SO just has unique scaling issues

Thanks!

some sites have probably requested it on their meta sites, but still no

Indeed, I found this post by gnat on one meta: Is there a plan to test Triage review at Programmers?

user202362

6:27 AM

what if your horse turn into this? @yvette

7:44 AM

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Q: Should the "ask about own post" feature be enabled here on Stack Overflow?

In March 2016, a new feature was introduced to Stack Exchange sites: the ability for users without enough rep to participate in meta to ask about their own posts. When it was rolled out initially, it was enabled on most sites, but disabled on localized sites (due to a lack of translations) and he...

discussion meta new-users

πάντα ῥεῖ

Sounds like the idea to replace MSO as SOs kitchen sink :-(

^MSE

Oh god, please no! — Martin James 2 mins ago

@πάνταῥεῖ sink? That's optimistic... it doesn't smell...

Journeyman Geek

tbh, its something that makes a ton of sense to me

The ask about your own question is something very few super casual users would know about

and using it means they're engaged in trying to grok things

Back to balancing the need: how often it is succesful though?

πάντα ῥεῖ

You aren't very experienced with SO, are you? @Journey

7:55 AM

@πάνταῥεῖ I suspect he gets enough crap on "his" site as well. ;)

user310756

@TelKitty hehe they already are

Maybe not as much as on SO, but still... enough to know how it is.

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ no? :p

@Journeyman is experienced with User Overflow... :D

I agree it's considerably an ideal feature request, and I don't want to be pesimistic, but... when users don't read the tour/help center already, giving this feature will just make MSO busier...

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:04 AM

Aww, not that silly argument again:

Well been a rude person isn't good, i'm no longer need this ( Stack OverFlow or Code Review help since a lot of toxic people are around downvoting your posts and doing useless comments .. you can delete whatever the comment / post / account i no longer care. — Jada Developer 11 mins ago

yep

Imagine putting "ask about own post" on this question, will it end happily?

πάντα ῥεῖ

I won't suspect so, and even have doubts it will end happily at SECR, taken the OPs attitude into consideration.

Not to mention I had a bit of bad experience at SE German Language recently.

Journeyman Geek

8:21 AM

assuming they even know you can do that

the barrier of entry is that you need to know you can do that

user202362

I wonder, what's the kitchen sink to toilet ratio in most houses?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek Even when I don't, yes.

user202362

I mean, there could be multiple toilets in the house but only 1 kitchen

πάντα ῥεῖ

@TelKitty That's a rough assumption. There can be even more kitchens in a house, unusual though.

user202362

here, house code says only 1 kitchen per house/unit

8:24 AM

Apparently I misunderstood the feature request then. I thought it asked to enable on SO and inform new users about this feature when their questions got closed. Because otherwise, new users won't know about that already (and the barrier between "cannot post on meta" is only 1 question upvote)

user202362

but you can have as many toilets as you want, and from my observation, usually house price is proportional to the amount of toilets it has

Combine the kitchen with toilet... and also bedroom

Journeyman Geek

hm

I didn't realised it let new people know that there was such a feature

oops!

TBH, I don't know since I haven't tried it myself...

Journeyman Geek

hm

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:27 AM

@HTTPS In german that's called "Wohnklo". Popular amongst students :-D

Journeyman Geek

Nor do I

hah

I'm too lazy to create a new account and post an obvious off-topic question -_-

user202362

combining toilet and bedroom is common in prison cells

user202362

and you don't have to pay for accommodation

Journeyman Geek

naw

or answers. But my last sock HNQed

8:35 AM

I just read the underlying MSE post, it seems you're right that the entry barrier is to know the existence of meta and press that "Ask Question" button there.

Journeyman Geek

yup

;p

HOWEVEr

OH!

@HTTPS Please see edits to my question. Are those correct?

Hello, Omega

Journeyman Geek

Makes sense

@SonicWizard well, if I didn't misinterpret that MSE post... because it's talking about message on "meta participation", which I believe is never shown on main site.

Journeyman Geek

.....

I got captchaed.

On the internet no one's supposed to know yer a dog.

8:41 AM

Please see question edit. I don't believe users are actually told about this feature unless they actually attempt to ask a question here, and judging by the low (but regular) instances of questions about own posts being asked on MSE, I don't think it's a huge burden. — gparyani 6 mins ago

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:56 AM

Anyone of you aware where that could be asked?

@πάνταῥεῖ It’s because the problem was with my Bose headphones, rather than my Apple devices. — iProgram 2 mins ago

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ there's no consumer electronics site

so nothing that would work well

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from What is Quora's logo doing on StackOverflow's “2018 developer Survey” page as favicon?

(anyway, stumbled upon that question when searching migrated:yes is:q on MSO. I couldn't find anyone asking "~~how to improve my question~~ what'z wrong with my question!?!?!" on anywhere that got migrated to MSO in recent times...)

user202362

many industries has this incestuous frenemyship within ... I mean, I should know because I am on the edge of a few industries

So, the argument about "piling MSO" is probably a weak argument. OTOH, they re-asked their question verbatim on MSE, instead of asking "how/why" there though...

Journeyman Geek

9:19 AM

@HTTPS imo it's a non argument

πάντα ῥεῖ

sd k

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:33 AM

Today's "Earth day", aha. What else do they think it should be? Martian day?

user202362

Industry code has 5 digits on Australian company tax return ... I mean not every combination is used but still, it's an indication of how many industries there is ... there are pig farmers and colorectal surgeons, if anyone even has a brain the size of a pygmy monkey, one should copy and steal from a totally unrelated industry instead ...

user202362

also we have too many special days, it's getting too crowded, we need to convert them into special hours instead - like labour hour, earth hour, national hour etc

πάντα ῥεῖ

I think you got my point TK

Telkitty's Day

user202362

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πάντα ῥεῖ

9:41 AM

Awwww

@TelKitty I am living at that one earth, every day, every hour. And I mostly care to care ...

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πάντα ῥεῖ

11:32 AM

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Q: Let users refresh their chat profiles

How long does it take for chat profiles to update? says it can take up to an hour. This can be quite annoying for a new user who joins chat and then wants to customise their appearance. Please add a button where one can refresh one's profile using the same technology as what the moderators can us...

feature-request chat profile-page user-interface profile-sync

πάντα ῥεῖ

11:44 AM

I am a markdown wizard. He, he ...

@πάνταῥεῖ name-change-request :p

πάντα ῥεῖ

@PrincessLuna Certainly not. It's too good, and I will stay with it ;-)

I considered to change it to "Van Helsing" or such for a few seconds yesterday :-D

lol

πάντα ῥεῖ

12:05 PM

I'm awaiting a complaint like: "But our professor didn't show us how to do this yet."

"What I missed??" Stepping through your code line by line with your debugger. — πάντα ῥεῖ 2 hours ago

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2:03 PM

Looks like PPCG.SE wanted "refresh chat profile" feature so badly :/

πάντα ῥεῖ

@HTTPS See my recent comment :-P ...

@HTTPS "profile" on PPCG.SE main chat room

πάντα ῥεῖ

@HTTPS You're backpinging yourself? Well, that's a niche problem. And even to ask the devs would be a waste of time and efforts.

only to link related message to give context ;p

and yes, I agree it's a very niche problem, or even non-existential

πάντα ῥεῖ

2:20 PM

The latter probably

If such arises for me at my desk, that's a critical sign that the PM had failed to do their job :-P

2:53 PM

Hmm, did we just lose a chat server? Things just went read-only in a few rooms.

Oh... Apparently I've been booted, didn't get a message on that, my bad.

Journeyman Geek

Oo

Ah

πάντα ῥεῖ

snafu

Journeyman Geek

Iirc there's a message for being kicked tho

3:11 PM

"read-only in a few rooms"... I don't think "boot" means "kicked", but probably "force logged out"... but only apaul knows...

or, kicking from 1 room could affect other rooms?

(anyway, now feeling really sleepy, compared to yesterday's insomnia...)

3:29 PM

Is there a way to know which tags are merged and which are synonymised?

4:01 PM

Posted a question 15 minutes ago, last seen 30 minutes ago... O_O?

Gentle reminder on survey about Smokey's behavior on self-deletion after FP feedback.

Apr 15 at 14:53, by HTTPS

The Charcoal project wants feedback about SmokeDetector's behavior in the Tavern on self-deletion after FP feedback

Personally, I'd end this survey on Wednesday, 25th. (please unpin after that)

Otherwise, it's a waiting game and nothing is concluded.

user315433

4:33 PM

Yesterday we talked about the SO welcome email with "fear-free guide". Turns out Gmail has one too, but with a fake-personal twist, it's sent from "Andy".

user315433

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user315433

The SO version could be Joel-noreply@stackoverflow.email

4:55 PM

uhh.. Andy, the Android? (android... bot...) :/

Fortunately SE uses "Community" for their bot; community@stackoverflow.email ...

also, posting an answer on meta before sleeping is probably a bad idea... silenced the smartphone

user315433

I prefer to do just that: post and go do something else, not engaging in back and forth.

user315433

Learned it from Joel. :)

user315433

5:11 PM

Not deleted, just migrated spam.

6:54 PM

@rene chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309318/can-i-a-duck-back

Never mind, OP hammered it

good

someone upvoted that ...

7:14 PM

Some people love ducks

@rene long time no Chimney, is it abandoned?

Since there are only few Smokey reports guess it's not really fatal, it's not noisy. :)

@HTTPS don't you always silence it before going to sleep?

→ 113 messages moved to Chimney

@ShadowWizard nope ;)

@bro it's old... and Andy is real:

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This is Andy from Google. Human. :D

productforums.google.com/forum/#!profile/gmail/… (what's that weird hash?? lol)

7:51 PM

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Foggy night yesterday in Austin. You can just barely see the tower

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Normally I get a pretty good shot of downtown Austin and the Dobie tower from this spot, but...

user315433

\o/ 500 accepted answers on SO. Under 1600 users achieved that.

8:14 PM

@bro congrats

Apr 17 at 21:20, by Sonic Wizard

Someone please remind Peter Mortensen again about editing posts closed within five days (those edits push posts into reopen queue)

user315433

\o/ My Feb 22 NAA flag on elementary OS is now exactly 2 months old.

user315433

I'm not worried about +1 helpful flag, this is just interesting as an example of extreme (non) moderation.

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309320/…

user315433

What if Feeds fed the Tavern with new meta questions? There is an option for that.

8:19 PM

@SonicWizard I still lack the Steward badge for the reopen review so I'm not going to ask him ...

user315433

We'd know to go flag to close as OT / duplicate, or discuss if it's interesting.

@bro aren't we all by definition watching the active tab?

user315433

Like Wz's proposal for network wide title block. I think it makes sense, but the ROI may be low.

The magic editor has an feature to remove those tags from a title. But that is after the fact. It would help somewhat but it might also cause new pr0blams

user315433

My comment bot was dual purpose: it could comment on such posts and/or post them in a chatroom for review / voting.

user315433

8:25 PM

Unrelated: it's sad how stackexchange.com/about has 2015 data. Collecting dust and cobwebs...

user315433

Trivia: exactly one SE site has a comma in its name.

8:41 PM

@bro messages?

Anything to interrupt @Sha

@bro hey, that's a historical monument

Like I dunno, Joel holding a torch thingy besides New York

user315433

9:05 PM

I spent some time typing and erasing "tying" and "tieing", unable to decide which one is a word. :( Now neither one looks like a word to me.

user315433

a cheaper and more general heuristic would be: title consists of <=3 words one of which is doubt|issue|problem|query|question.

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sd tpu-

user315433

9:49 PM

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user315433

^ SE sites, joined if they share a moderator.

user315433

This is only the main connected component, the one with SO. It has 55 sites.

user315433

Excluding isolated sites, there are 18 connected components of sizes 2-55. They have 101 sites in total.

user315433

10:11 PM

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user315433

^ the other nontrivial components. Most notable: Languages component, Unix component, and Math component.

user315433

The fact that User Experience and SharePoint are connected is some cruel irony.

@bro Where do your usernames come from?

user315433

Through a convoluted process in my brain

user315433

The diameter of the SO component is 12: there are 12 degrees of separation between Space and any one of {Martial Arts, Fitness, Lifehacks}.

user315433

10:23 PM

However, the 6 degrees of separation holds in the weaker sense: the radius of the component is 6. Every site can be connected to Stack Overflow by at most 6 steps.

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@yvette Hmm, I had some bad recent experience with comments flagged for rudeness. It seems to touch a cultural problem also what's concerned being rude and what not.

> meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309321/…

> german.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1362/…

Guess who started blaming and complaints.

@HTTPS They've nuked that user now, THX for backing me up.

user315433

I think a logic similar to chat messages could be good. One validated rude-flag => a relatively short timeout from comments, to defuse the situation.

πάντα ῥεῖ

I've recognized the temporary part of the request

@bro Apparently some people receive even asking for clarification as rude or offensive.

user315433

It has to be validated...

πάντα ῥεῖ

@bro Mods are human :-/

There's space for failure.

10:38 PM

@bro What would you do if every time you changed your username, I changed it to the same thing, but with "Sonic" at the beginning? (e.g. "Sonic bro", "Sonic SFTP", etc.)

πάντα ῥεῖ

sd tpu-

user315433

11:10 PM

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user315433

Um... is this a good thing or a bad thing, WordPress?

user310756

11:56 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ well there is that. It's really not that hard for people to figure out what's rude - if people keep telling them they're being rude, perhaps take note of it ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@YvetteColomb I took note, but there wasn't any rudeness involved in that whole case from the beginning (mod discussion confirmed)

Now it's that OP themselves being rude, or at least offensive .

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