Tavern on the Meta

12:00 AM

By the way, the game features an achievement for "correctly flagging all mines except one on an expert board, and then detonating it".

bjb568

Sonic Wizard

1:42 AM

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309165/…

bjb568

Hmm, my hit rate with colleges is 4/15, but I'm 3/3 with jobs so far.

Catija

You're already getting acceptance letters?

Sonic Wizard

It's two weeks until one has to submit enrollment deposit...and about the same time of the year that I submitted my deposit to UT

@SmokeDetector fp-

Sonic Wizard

2:05 AM

Anyone else have strong memory recall from 2013? I could have sworn that before the closing overhaul of 2013, if you RC flagged to migrate a question, it would show in your flag history as "off-topic; belongs on [site]". Now, those just show up as "off-topic", and older flags' display was changed retroactively.

HTTPS

Meanwhile, is the "linked" question behavior changed? I remember posting a link to another Q/A will add a permanent entry to "linked" questions despite they gets removed afterward (well, cluttering "linked" questions), but now, removing the post with that link will remove the "linked" entry too? (Or I'm really bad at memorizing thing...)

Sonic Wizard

@HTTPS Yes, it did work that way in the past:

in You Are Here on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Sep 1 '14 at 17:37, by mindcorrosive

@damryfbfnetsi: another question linked to the aircraft lavatory one appeared in a comment on a deleted answer on the other one

@Shadow chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/222410/…

bjb568

2:35 AM

@Catija For first-year apps, early ones are due Nov, regular Jan, hear back Mar, choose Apr.

Nog Shine

-1

Q: User was removed

Initiating a generalised post. Whenever you see a user of interest was/is removed, you may edit this post. 17-April-2018: An actively voting user got deleted today. Many people have reputations loss due to that. Which User got removed? & also Why (if anyone knows)?

HTTPS

2:57 AM

Are those guys on Hinduism gonna revolting?

Nog Shine

There is always such atmosphere.

Users want to know which user account was deleted, why a user is suspended etc., which are between moderator and user.

This is not the first time. There have been posts in the past too hinduism.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1034/5212

I was said that moderators review the account deletion while deleting the account but this didn't happen in this case. Some lost even 500 rep

HTTPS

I think shog's answer on this MSE post is relevant?

Nog Shine

3:12 AM

Yes, it is relevant but it was not very clear to me. That made me ask a question which is finally closed as dupe of this :)

Catija

@NogShine not mods. CMs. Mods often aren't even told a user has requested deletion.

Nog Shine

@Catija Ohh!!

Sonic Wizard

Would you guys support an FR that allows moderators to see if an account has an active deletion timer on it?

Catija

We can...

Sonic Wizard

Can you cancel the deletion timer on a user's account?

Catija

3:16 AM

@SonicWizard nope

HTTPS

"You can join, but you cannot quit!"

Sonic Wizard

@Catija By the way, what do you think of my proposal about Smokey in the tavern? Did you fill in the survey?

cv-pls site specific: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309170/…

Nog Shine

Thanks @JonEricson for addressing that question.

Jon Ericson

@NogShine Sure thing.

user315433

3:55 AM

@SonicWizard I would not. If a user quits the site because of a moderator's actions, there is no need to give the mod the satisfaction of watching their success unfold.

Sonic Wizard

@bro Rare edge case, though

Plus...

41 mins ago, by Catija

We can...

user315433

Well, it's less rare than the actual need for the feature.

user315433

Given that it already exists though, the point is moot.

bwDraco

4:49 AM

We need CM attention in this chat room. It looks like somebody is digging up messages to flag.

Nog Shine

@bwDraco There were only two messages flagged. Not many

bwDraco

Looks like it's being taken care of.

in Rational Thinkers on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by Undo

Stop flagging old stuff

HTTPS

Considering I can't flag from transcript... then the flagger was in the room?

Nog Shine

@HTTPS I can flag from the transcript. I did many times.

HTTPS

Ah, I looked at the wrong place (the shortcut icon on the right, not the dropdown on the left)

Nog Shine

4:57 AM

I found one message as offensive. On message called a religion hateful. I think that is not "Be Nice"?

bwDraco

It's borderline, but a user should not be digging up old messages to flag.

HTTPS

@NogShine I.... think so...

but if this the case, I'd recommend to bring it on to meta, but with current heated situation... ugh

Nog Shine

@HTTPS Which meta? Hinduism meta? You know how it is.

bwDraco

in Rational Thinkers on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 24 secs ago, by bwDraco

This was flagged, and it was off the page at the time of the flag. You'd have to load older messages or flag from the transcript.

HTTPS

Do we need CM to handle the conflict on Meta Hinduism? It looks like a ticking time-bomb to me.

user315433

5:07 AM

At a glance it looks like one user is in their hyperactive phase, which will pass as those things tend to do.

Nog Shine

He keeps meta busy.

@bwDraco Only if this spirit is there in Hinduism site....

user315433

This too shall pass should be engraved somewhere on every meta page.

user315433

Could it be that someone simply revisited a room after some absence, clicked "load to my last message" and read from there.

HTTPS

7:05 AM

I'm curious who is User9125 on Hinduism.SE :)

Nog Shine

May be post a meta about it? It will not be closed as off-topic. ;)

HTTPS

The "Does that make any difference @username?" reminded me of Shog...

Nog Shine

Another Good Friend of Shog?

HTTPS

All of Shog's friends are good ;p

~~But if he's a Good Friend of Shog, then the mystery is solved!~~ waiit, "another", uhh...

Nog Shine

I am Shog's friend already. No one will take my place.

Nog Shine

7:48 AM

> I understand that you can't think like the way some of us do because u are not an active member. You are a member over 1 year now and i am seeing u for the 1st time here in these comments.

So, even if a CM comments, reply will be like this because they are not active on the site and posting comments for the first time. :)

John Dvorak

A CM diamond symbol would solve this issue, but alas we focus on content and we don't care who gives it.

Nog Shine

Exactly. That is the point missed there.

HTTPS

> Do we do everything to help the site here?

Best joke of the day. I'd ~~print and put it on my wall~~ set it as a desktop wallpaper.

HTTPS

8:13 AM

@SmokeDetector ignore-

Derpy

8:24 AM

Morning.

Are question closed as dupe taken in account by the automated question ban scripts?

Nog Shine

Are the scripts still active?

Vogel612's Shadow

heya @ShadowWizard I took the liberty to add some more stuff to the chat design bugreport

rene

8:45 AM

@Derpy yes

Derpy

@rene then we have another option:

> because someone you don't know is putting you closer to question ban because he think your question is a dupe. Which, sometime, can actually be true.

rene

@Derpy good point. I didn't consider that

Derpy

@rene My point is that before automatically assuming that all the rants are made from "crybaby users" (like some of the other answers and comment seems to imply just to create that nice denigration "I'm better than you" climate that is the basis of every productive discussion...) one should ask himself if those users ranting had a reason to rant in the first place.

I wouldn't be surprised is many rants that are dismissed as "Meta drama" are actually made by user which question were indeed closed without a valid reason.

But, for some reason, I think that the opposite question on meta would have drawn a lot of hate, downvote, closure/gold hammer closures as "non constructive" and such...

Does anyone with some spare rep to waste want to test this theory?

Try to post a question like:

"why does pointing out that a question was improperly closed as a dupe cause so much salt to the users who closed it?"

Journeyman Geek

9:03 AM

salt?

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek it's an expression commonly used in gaming and such "to cause salt" is to make someone "angry". Probably it was originated because putting salt on a wound makes it hurt / burn more. And salt in the eyes causes tear/burn too

This originated many taunts like

"Why U so salty"

Journeyman Geek

ah

Nog Shine

@SmokeDetector spammer returned.

rene

delv-pls 20k repeating meta.stackexchange.com/q/309190/158100 /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @JourneymanGeek @Glorfindel

delv-pls 20K spammer meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309188/…

Nog Shine

9:48 AM

Should we care about serial voting happening on the site?

Journeyman Geek

@NogShine personally? Its hard to tell (even as a mod, you need to know to look) and if its bad enough, you can let the system deal with

rene

@NogShine only if it is not reversed by the script

Journeyman Geek

Despite folks claiming its spottable - I'd say "eh, give it a shot and see" but you'd really need to have that flag find the right mod

Nog Shine

@rene Not to me but to other users.

@rene Votes reversed by script are one or two less than than cast votes

@JourneymanGeek Yeah. I think I am sure.

Serial voting and vote reversal for three or more days in past week.

Journeyman Geek

10:05 AM

ow

HTTPS

@SmokeDetector gone gone gone gone gone

rene

@NogShine if there is a pattern of this occurring all the time then sure, flag for mod but make sure you have enough evidence you can link to.

HTTPS

The deletion watcher got solar-flared?

Derpy

@HTTPS You mean @PrincessLuna's sister blasted it?

Vogel612's Shadow

@SmokeDetector gone

Journeyman Geek

10:13 AM

→ 12 messages moved to Chimney

Princess Luna

@Derpy It was more a collaborative effort between me, her and Twily :>

HTTPS

@rene or.. call @Magisch

rene

10:30 AM

true that ...

Princess Luna

@Derpy Did Celestia take all the credit again?!

Derpy

10:59 AM

@PrincessLuna Nope (hides a bag of "I ❤ Celestia" t-shirts and other merchandise behind a bush).

Princess Luna

I KNEW IT! YOU took my credit cards!

HTTPS

"Why is Stack Overflow so positive recently?" but I just awoke from a nap.

rene

Heh, I'm trying, okay?

Derpy

@PrincessLuna (hides a larger bag full of muffins behind another bush)

Princess Luna

banishes @Derpy to... um... a cloud?

Derpy

11:12 AM

@PrincessLuna an angry mob of Derpy's fans is heard in the distance, with loud war-pipes and drums sounds

Princess Luna

11:23 AM

gets Twily to get rid of the mob

Derpy

Twily used "None of us claimed to be perfect" (see season 7...)
It was not very effective.

Princess Luna

11:40 AM

Sssh! I haven't seen season 7 yet! It's not on netflix ^^'

@Derpy Princess Luna used "Spawn every single pokemon ever" on the mob. It's super effective!

Angry Mob was defeated

John Dvorak

11:56 AM

Unfortunately, it also destroyed the space-time continuum.

starting with Japan, then slowly creeping across the landscape.

Wait, no, that's just the Sun.

Derpy

12:11 PM

@JohnDvorak can't be worse than a thermonuclear catsplosion

John Dvorak

can't you just herd the cats to one spot, atom smash them with a drawbridge, then euthanize the cat owners?

Derpy

> A thermonuclear catsplosion is only possible by modding, but is nevertheless possible with off-the-shelf parts and is rated by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to be a Plaid level of terrorist threat.

> A thermonuclear catsplosion is started by assigning a ridiculous standard thermal temperature to the cats' homeothermy in the amount of 40000 degrees Urist - 30032 degrees Fahrenheit, 16666⅔ degrees Celsius, or 16939.81667 Kelvin—which is equivalent to over three times the surface temperature of the sun.

It was originally triggered as soon as you "started the game". So, you had no time to react.

John Dvorak

no issue, really. Just use a heat-resistant drawbridge.

Preventing your dwarves from dying in a 1-AU radius of any cat might be tough, though.

HTTPS

> I'm aware that it doesn't have a specific obligation [for SE to advice on where to get someone's question answered], but I would argue that shutting down a question and offering no help at all violates the "be welcoming" clause of the Be Nice policy.

John Dvorak

Yeah, a kitten at 17 kilokelvin is kind of an issue...

HTTPS

12:21 PM

I think people have too many different expectations of what SE community should have done to welcoming a user...

Derpy

I meant that the most "fun" way to cause a nuclear catplosion was to start a new settlement and chose the highest possible amount of cats during the embark phase.

Journeyman Geek

hmm

yup

Derpy

Basically, the world would we generated, you see the settlement, the explosion starts immediately and...

> your settlement has crumbled to its end

CAAAAAAATS

►

John Dvorak

According to some, anything short of pointing at the exact line they need to change is outright rude. While we can't even see their code because of NDA issues.

Princess Luna

12:47 PM

@JohnDvorak the newspaper?

Princess Luna

1:17 PM

sd why

oh. There was an answer ^^'

Nog Shine

@rene Evidence like?

rene

1:45 PM

@NogShine several reversal events in the reputation history of several users?

Nog Shine

@rene only one user

rene

Oh.

but several reversal events?

Nog Shine

Yes, there are events

rene

Ok. You can flag for that. Saying: this user is being targetted with serial voting continously. This is not accident, it seems on purpose.

Nog Shine

not targetted with DV. It's the other way.

rene

1:49 PM

any serial voting really.

It doesn't matter if it is up or down

Any non-natural/non-organic voting is subject to investigation

HTTPS

2:33 PM

My action spawned 2 MSO post, yeah... >_<

Well, not the first time I got called to MSO though~

Feeds

2:46 PM

The wars between the "OTHER PRIMATES OPEN THEM FROM THE SMALL END" faction versus the "BUT THE LITTLE BIT OF BANANA AT THE SMALL END IS GROSS" faction consumed Europe for generations.

D.Hutchinson

3:03 PM

@SonicWizard do you have a Sega Genesis?

Sonic Wizard

@D.Hutchinson An emulator

Nog Shine

Don't we get a reply if we contact the SE team anymore?

D.Hutchinson

@NogShine I thought the same thing - but I've heard they are very busy recently. So, I accept that they'll get around to my message but perhaps not reply back.

@SonicWizard what's an emulator?

Princess Luna

@D.Hutchinson it's a device simulator made to create a localized instance of a specific device without having it physically. I.e. an Android emulator is a program you run on your computer to create a virtual Android device without necessarily having it, and it's able to run stuff the original OS can't

Nog Shine

@D.Hutchinson I used to get a reply (I thought it is an automated one).

HTTPS

3:08 PM

@rene sorry, but may I know the conclusion from this MSO post? Did the OP of the HNQ question changed the accepted answer to other answer? Because I noticed the previous accepted was gone... and I was super confused why the question is not rolled-back instead

D.Hutchinson

@PrincessLuna ah, that's awesome ...

@NogShine I see ...

Journeyman Geek

3:37 PM

@NogShine there's an auto reply iirc

rene

@HTTPS this is all I have: i.stack.imgur.com/cFJzv.png

Can't see the history of accepts/unaccepts

Taryn

@rene please clear your notifications! ;P

HTTPS

@rene how about the deleted MSO post, any conclusion from that?

rene

@HTTPS nope, you're the last commentor

@Taryn I like the green ... for obvious reasons ...

HTTPS

@rene last, is there a deleted answer with very high score and long comment thread?

(or last edited more-or-less 1 hour ago)

rene

3:42 PM

@HTTPS here: i.stack.imgur.com/6vKoh.png

@HTTPS yes: i.stack.imgur.com/zzImR.jpg (but I captured the whole page)

HTTPS

@rene thanks...

(darn, I really messed that up)

D.Hutchinson

@Taryn can I ask you a question about the Interpersonal Skills site :)

Oh, I saw that you're no longer in the role of a CM, so perhaps anyone can answer ...

does a site such as IPS does seems to have more drama than ... teaching / learning ... get shut down by Stack Exchange?

I think Shog said something about there being attempts at launching an IPS site in the past ... which have failed ... and were shut down ...

^ I'm not 100% sure if that's exactly what he said ...

HTTPS

4:04 PM

I think you see "more drama" because of HNQ and its Meta? Some of low-visibility questions are probably more useful. And personally, IPS is still not that bad since it's still actively moderated.

Err... I just realized you're quite a regular on IPS. Well, as long the site is still moderated, then I don't think it will disappear. Some experienced users might leave, but new users would come too.

John Dvorak

"Some experienced users might leave, but new users would come too" doesn't do good to Stack Overflow.

Sonic Wizard

4:26 PM

We were all new users once. At least some of those new users would fill in the gap.

John Dvorak

I was a new user once, and a minigun answerer

HTTPS

I was a new user twice, but I had enough privileges on the second playthrough

John Dvorak

speedrun strats

Sonic Wizard

4:57 PM

@HTTPS Same with me

Anonymous

5:09 PM

Anonymous

Well that's a bit weird. Just got messed-up error pages trying to log in a few times in a row, then it worked.

Anonymous

I blame caching.

John Dvorak

The auth server got too tired to resist

Anonymous

The sectarian clique acts as a roadblock to free expression with their downvotes and votes to close and their duplicate hunts. They and a few others are swimming against the tide - fighting modernity. The site gives off an odor of being sick because of these folks. — S K Apr 14 at 10:22

Anonymous

yay politics and religion

John Dvorak

5:13 PM

I thought those were supposed to be the peaceful folk?

D.Hutchinson

when describing my time as part of a user acceptance testing team, should I capitalize User Acceptance Testing?

doesn't seem necessary ...

hmm ...

Anonymous

My gut says CAPITALIZE! but I'm not sure whether it's right.

Anonymous

It may just be hungry.

D.Hutchinson

hahaha

I see ...

I'll capitalize ... it looks nicer ...

thanks :)

Anonymous

Cheers

D.Hutchinson

5:20 PM

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe like this: "I was a part of a USER ACCEPTANCE TEAM, working with developers to improve ... "

^ like that?

John Dvorak

Of course, factions immediately sprang up in favor of '~*~sTaR tReK iNtO dArKnEsS~*~', 'xX_StAr TrEk InTo DaRkNess_Xx', and 'Star Trek lnto Darkness' (that's a lowercase 'L').

Anonymous

@D.Hutchinson Maybe not like that. :P I'm not sure...

Anonymous

I see User Acceptance Testing capitalized like that <--

Anonymous

I'm not sure whether "User Acceptance Team" fits the same pattern.

D.Hutchinson

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe ah, I see

ok, thanks :)

Journeyman Geek

5:41 PM

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe he's an atheist in a religion site :o

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

6:30 PM

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe I wonder if there's any truth to it

Sonic Wizard

6:42 PM

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309203/…

@Shadow @rene chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/58842/…

(Deleting guidance is different now, plus the answer there is very old and based on the old close reasons)

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Q: What is the purpose of nonsense posts?

On Stack Exchange, jibberish posts that contain no intelligent content are considered Rude or Abusive and may be flagged as such. Why do people make nonsense or jibberish posts? When it comes to many other problematic, flaggable posts, such as Spam, hate speech, new questions posted as answers, ...

discussion offensive

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:01 PM

^I'm still nodding, yes :-P

user315433

> If you have record data for model training and couldn't care less about individual users, only to join 2 sets of data and see if the model got any better: the GDPR is an expensive, crippling, pain in the ass. -- Nick Craver at 11:58 AM - 18 Apr 2018

user315433

I suppose it's something like Providence, matching ads to anonymous users based on their activity over a period of time....

πάντα ῥεῖ

sd k

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ I couldn't help it but had to smile ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

:) Somehow smiling and nodding, yes ...

Not drunk enough yet :-D @rene

Sonic Wizard

7:16 PM

Have we had any documented pay-for-rep scandals on any site?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SmokeDetector K

@SonicWizard you mean like voting rings being paid to upvote someone?

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ I realize it is early. I assume the temperature is as good as it is here? Can you have your beer outside on the patio/deck/garden

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene It's fantastic spring weather these days :)

rene

It is crazy, tomorrow it gets even better

πάντα ῥεῖ

I hope it'll hold on until friday, when I have a day off.

user315433

7:27 PM

@SonicWizard Social currency, probably: the expectation of upvotes from colleagues/subordinates in a company

user315433

Hard cash, unlikely. Too messy to set up for little gain

πάντα ῥεῖ

I plan to have a nice trip with my daughter to near austria.

@bro Could be they're running a bet at their company :-D

@Sonic Your answer is clearly flaggable as NAA at least :-D

Anonymous

@SonicWizard I'm not sure it's actually happened, but we've had a few interesting things come up.

Anonymous

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Q: Selling Stack Overflow accounts

I was just asked if I was willing to sell my Stack Overflow account. Of course, I won't agree to do this, but I was just wondering if there is any official rule regarding this. Do you guys pretty much hand off our accounts to us for us to do with them as we please? Or is there an official guid...

discussion support user-accounts

Anonymous

143

Q: Is it legitimate to "buy" Stack Overflow reputation?

Saw this earlier on Freelancer, and wondered what the consensus was? https://www.freelancer.co.uk/projects/Javascript-jQuery-Prototype/Build-Stack-Overflow-reputation.html One view point would be that you shouldn't be able to buy rep, but on the other hand if that person is willing to pay some...

discussion reputation accounts

Anonymous

7:37 PM

Those both point to apparently-real offers.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe How would these correlate to nonsense posts?

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ where you are I already call near Austria. Do you mean nearer to Austria ...

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:53 PM

@rene It's only about 25km to these wonderful places like Walchsee (where my Daughter wants going to) or other sweet spots in tyrol.

"Close" might have been the better wording.

@RobertColumbia Accepts won't make that question better and more substantial in any ways. If you have really noticed a "significant frequency", post SEDE statistics or other resilient data please. — πάντα ῥεῖ 9 mins ago

Sonic Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ What answer?

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard think he meant my answer

NAA on purpose

πάντα ῥεῖ

we could post a counter question "What makes people accepting nonsense answers"

@ShadowWizard Aww, I was really confusing you two :-P

Sorry (!!!) for that.

Sonic Wizard

Anyone posted on Google Answers or Amazon Askville back when they existed?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Aahrg! I got that postgres shit and pgadmin installed and running at my lame laptop here right now. Looks promising now :)

Shadow Wizard

8:06 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ lol all good

Though our avatars are very different by now ;)

user315433

The word "pubic" appears in 586 SO posts

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ Walchsee seems nice.

user315433

Although while we're on the subject, this one looks like a higher priority.

Shadow Wizard

@bro afraid to ask, but.... what made you perform such a search? ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene It's great. We're used to rent a boat there and a badeleiter (she likes to get into the water regardless of the temperatures)

user315433

8:12 PM

Reviewed a suggested edit that corrected that typo, and wondered how many more are there.

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ awesome!

Shadow Wizard

> In Britain, New Zealand, and Australia, it can also be used as a neutral or, when used with a positive qualifier (good, funny, clever, etc.), positive way of referring to a person

user315433

Aww, SnarkOverflow twitter project was abandoned early.

Shadow Wizard

So might be used with innocent intentions

rene

I'm sure the twitter community will not care about innocent intentions. This place if filthy!

user315433

8:18 PM

> (I have no idea how this question was answered - it was only posted in the basic group and appears to be asked in Latin?! stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/19478264

Shadow Wizard

@rene heh, my message was about the word "cunt" being used by programmers in their code. :)

user315433

TIL one can use double backticks for inline code.

user315433

What to do if your inline code begins and ends with a backtick?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Anyone aware about a good (free) Postgres DB modeling tool including
- table scheme definitions
- modeling simple ERD diagrams
- immediate DLL script display
- SQL syntax highlighting and auto completion

I believe I already had one, but lost it right now (probably it's still on one of my VMs at my workplace, but I can't access there right now)

Shadow Wizard

@bro out of luck

@πάνταῥεῖ pgAdmin??

oh, probably not

rene

8:24 PM

@ShadowWizard doesn't change a thing ;)

Shadow Wizard

@rene SnarkOverflow doesn't sound innocent.... ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard It doesn't really fulfill all my requirements stated above. To tedious to create a table scheme in the GUI.

OK, maybe I have to choose a different view :-P

Gotta get more familiar with the GUI philosophy it seems ...

Shadow Wizard

Why not SQL Server Express? @πάνταῥεῖ

user315433

And it's not just double, any number of backticks works as long as it's the same on both sides.

Shadow Wizard

The SSMS is powerful

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:30 PM

Our company is in BIG troubles to change from the (formerly Sybase, ISAM based) DB system to a "real DBMS".

Shadow Wizard

@bro in the rare edge cases where code really begins or ends with backtick, one can just use code block, not inline code.

also, raw markup might work.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Wordk

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ oh

πάντα ῥεῖ

SQL Server Express doesn't really allow me to do what I want, and also 10GB isn't enough to solve our customers' needs.

Shadow Wizard

throwing working word on @M.A.R. and @Yvette

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:36 PM

It's even worse. The developers used a "free table" model, and some of the relevant informations are encoded into filesystem directory structures. It's really a challenge to cover up with that mess and migrate it to something reasonable.
Well, I planned to smoothly get retired with that company in a few decades :-/, so I'm motivated to get that right.

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ oh my. Sounds like you have lots of work ahead of you then!

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard At least better than being "bored out" ;-)

I want to setup a little experiment to auto generate appropriate table views, based on that info encoded in the directory structures and generate these automatically based on triggers and stored procedures. Hence that stuff I installed here.

We have to convince our colleagues that there are viable alternatives for what they're just used to right now.

user315433

An interesting post Beyond Markdown by MacFarlane

Anonymous

I regret that the world settled on a standard developed my a man who doesn't want to be a standards author.

Anonymous

Jeff should have stuck to his guns and called it Standard Markdown.

Shadow Wizard

8:50 PM

Jeff has guns?

Anonymous

Don't make concessions to people who are opposed to you and will yield nothing themselves.

user315433

The 7th day of creation should have been spent writing documentation instead of resting.

Anonymous

@ShadowWizard of course he does

Anonymous

We have officially reached peak Nerf. This thing is *amazing*, ratio of loading / pew-pew-ing off the charts https://www.amazon.com/Nerf-Rival-Nemesis-MXVII-10K-Red/dp/B01MG5QHC1/?tag=codihorr-20

Tweeted by codinghorror on August 16, 2017 at 6:30 PM

user315433

IPS now has 5 moderators

Shadow Wizard

8:54 PM

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe huh!

Anonymous

I saw that at Wal-Mart the other day and was tempted, but the balls are probably even more of a pain to clean up than the darts.

user315433

> Popular Item: Popular with customers shopping for "nemesis nerf gun"

user315433

I don't see this public keyword-product association leading to any trouble at all...

user315433

9:20 PM

@SmokeDetector edit suggested

user315433

Best variable name ever! — Mitch Wheat Nov 3 '14 at 3:57

Jon Ericson

@bro ಠ_ಠ

Thanks for the edit.

user315433

Sometimes I worry about fixing this in SQL. select count(*) from Users as count works in SEDE, but probably still isn't a good practice.

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:43 PM

sd k

Sonic Wizard

10:39 PM

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe Just out of curiosity, have you read my post on how to get attention for old, unaddressed meta posts? If so, what do you think of it?

Anonymous

@SonicWizard I think we've previously discussed this, and I said something kind of cynical and nihilistic like "it's fine advice but it's still unlikely to make any difference".

Anonymous

ah, yes:

Anonymous

Mar 25 at 22:46, by Jeremy Banks

It seems like good advice, but realistically most posts won't get addressed.

Sonic Wizard

Sorry, forgot for a second you were Jeremy.

Anonymous

I forget who everybody is in here.

Sonic Wizard

10:45 PM

Tell me, what was I named before?

Anonymous

Ano because you made edits anonymously before joining.

Anonymous

but if you have a different non-meta name, I have no idea what it is.

Sonic Wizard

There's a very easy way to check

Anonymous

Meta rep isn't worth much once you're past 10k, and bounties are an acceptable way to bump posts, so I do that a lot. But I don't expect much unless something has changed and the request is simple.

Anonymous

Ah. I had seen the name gparyani before, but yeah, I'd forgotten that that was you.

Sonic Wizard

10:48 PM

What do you think about my advice (actually Tim Post's) to contact SE regarding unaddressed meta posts?

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe Seen that from this past December until now, or back in 2013-14?

Anonymous

I saw it recently, but it seemed familiar enough that I think I also saw it before. But I have poor memory and can't say for sure.

Sonic Wizard

Also, did you fill in the survey in the second pinned message?

user315433

It seems the best way to get some reaction is to stir up something on Twitter.

Anonymous

@SonicWizard That seems pretty extreme.

Sonic Wizard

@bro That's a better way to reach Nick Craver, right

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe The only reason it's in my post is because Tim Post suggested it, otherwise I wouldn't have put it there

In fact, I stated that my personal opinion was that doing so is abusing the form.

Anonymous

10:52 PM

If you want to contact Stack employees directly, I'd consider that more of a one-time thing than anything that would be routine.

Anonymous

It might be reasonable if you have some very particular angle that you have clear reasons to think are important, but it'd be hard to frame as a general principle.

Sonic Wizard

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe I actually only used the name "gparyani" from signing up in March 2013 to February 2014, at which point I switched to "damryfbfnetsi" (which I still use on Area 51)

Anonymous

I mean, I emailed Haney personally to get the Data Dump fixed. That's obviously different since, you know, he was my manager for a year, but I think it might have been a reasonable time to do it despite that, since the Data Dump is such a key manifestation of Stack's values and I (correctly) assumed they'd want to fix it if they knew.

Anonymous

But that also requires that you know who to email about something, which most people would not, and if you email a random employee you may well be ignored.

Sonic Wizard

Tim Post's advice is just to use the generic contact form to create a support ticket.

Anonymous

10:55 PM

shrug

Anonymous

If you have something that requires an official response from the company, and is urgent in some way, that may be appropriate.

Anonymous

Most feature requests and bugs wouldn't fall into that category.

user315433

It will be read by aniJNat who are unlikely to escalate if it's just "please pay attention to this FR".

Sonic Wizard

I'm sure less experienced users unaware of Meta who find a bug go to the contact form to report the bug

Sonic Wizard

11:59 PM

@Shadow reopen-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/152080/…

And then please VTC as off-topic, no longer reproducible

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