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user315433

12:42 AM

@SonicWizard "Stack Overflow", "Server Fault", "Super User", "Webmasters", "Game Development", "Cross Validated", "Geographic Information Systems", "TeX - LaTeX", "Ask Ubuntu", "Stack Apps", "Unix & Linux", "WordPress Development", "Ask Different", "Software Engineering", "Electrical Engineering", "Video Production", "Graphic Design", "Database Administrators", "Code Review", "Programming Puzzles & Code Golf", ...

user315433

... "Drupal Answers", "SharePoint", "Software Quality Assurance & Testing", "Computational Science", "Mathematica", "Computer Science", "Chemistry", "Raspberry Pi", "Salesforce", "Robotics", "Magento", "Tridion", "Blender", "Stack Overflow em Português", "Arduino", "CS50", "Craft CMS", "スタック・オーバーフロー", "Emacs", "Vi and Vim", "Stack Overflow на русском", "Computer Graphics", "Stack Overflow en español", "Sitecore", "Internet of Things", "DevOps", "Bioinformatics"

user315433

And Meta, for testing.

@SFTP Evidence?

user315433

function handle(data) {
  console.log(data.items.filter(s => s.markdown_extensions && s.markdown_extensions.indexOf("Prettify") != -1).map(s=>s.name));
}
$.get("http://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/sites?pagesize=999&filter=!.UDMsnSo7kGvw(N8", handle);

@SFTP Is there already a question on MSE asking this?

user315433

12:43 AM

This lists all sites, including metas. The version with metas filtered out:

user315433

  console.log(data.items.filter(s => s.markdown_extensions && s.markdown_extensions.indexOf("Prettify") != -1).map(s=>s.name).filter(t => t.indexOf("Meta")==-1));

user315433

Oops, should have .join ed the array.

user315433

Not that I know of

user315433

There is one about MathJax, which incidentally could be answered in the same way, replacing "Prettify" by "MathJax".

user315433

Stack Overflow
Server Fault
Super User
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Webmasters
Webmasters Meta
Game Development
Cross Validated
Meta Super User
Geographic Information Systems
TeX - LaTeX
Ask Ubuntu
Stack Apps
Unix &amp; Linux
WordPress Development
Ask Different
Software Engineering
Electrical Engineering
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user315433

12:46 AM

^^ everything including metas

user315433

One may observe that some sites have prettify on main but not on meta.

user315433

Usually because whoever enabled it forgot about meta, and nobody ever asked.

user315433

Oh, rene's answer about MathJax already has a snippet of the same kind.

user202362

2:29 AM

The biggest page on Facebook purporting to be part of the Black Lives Matter movement was a scam with ties to a middle-aged white man in Australia

user202362

always watching in amazement when idiots following social herding without using their own brain, as smart as a fish that can not resist any baiting

2:44 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body: How to take screenshot Boot Camp by Suv egc on apple.SE

user315433

3:08 AM

Grr. The term "penalized NNLF" is impossible to Google, all results are about penalties in the NFL. Adding "statistics" does not help.

Why does searching "32" on chat room returns Q/A onebox?

user315433

A hidden chat feature!

user315433

Searching for "42" was not as enlightening as I hoped.

user315433

@HTTPS It searches HTML markup, which contains <img width="32" height="32" class="user-gravatar32" ...

user315433

Reminds me that we don't have HTML user here.

user202362

3:26 AM

we are all HTML users ... if you are on the internet, you are a HTML user ... by reading websites that contains HTML

user315433

I prefer the websites that have only CSS.

@SFTP not globally supported, but possible

2 hours later…

user202362

5:07 AM

Still no swag in sight :'( either unloved or surname starts with a letter too far down the alphabet

5:37 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Engadget Like most commented plugins by Waah.pk on wordpress.SE

5:47 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: What is the SEO too, for wordpress? by Waah.pk on wordpress.SE

user315433

6:15 AM

The best part of using Dark Reader is visiting a new site with an image like this.

user315433

user image

user315433

The message comes across so much more forcefully.

LOL AHAHAH

user202362

nothing beats an albino with black teeth

user315433

And grey beard. An aging vampire... For comparison, the original is navistone.com

user202362

6:31 AM

do you do much other than stalking people and websites?

user315433

So many people and sites, there's little time left for anything else.

@TimPost Am I one of the fastest to earn privileges here on MSE?

user315433

SEDE can determine that, for some definition of fastest.

user315433

Fastest to 3K?

@SFTP Yep

user315433

6:51 AM

The query says it's ChrisF and it's strange that I don't see you there, and it's too late here and so I'm not going to investigate...

Does it count the MSE/MSO separation?

user315433

I see, it has WHERE U.Reputation>5000 to prevent timeout.

user315433

@SonicWizard After fixing the query, it says you are 47th fastest to get 2500.

user315433

It does not have you on the list of 3000 users, either because SEDE is stale or because the rep-count based on votes is approximate, or both.

user315433

There is no historic reputation data in SEDE, so the query re-calculates it based on votes. It does so carefully, but we know rep computation is something... else.

6:59 AM

@SFTP Tied for 46th actually

user315433

Of course, when MSE was MSO the level of activity was different here.

So... if it's filtered further to just include users after the MSE/MSO separation?

user315433

The metas split on April 16, 2014. So one can simply ignore the users who got the rep before that.

user315433

The fastest is a certain duck...

that recurse infinitely...

user315433

7:23 AM

User	          Got 2500 on	After days
Infinite Recursion Dec  2 2014 	82
HackerKarma	   Aug 29 2015 	85
Matthew Haugen	   Jan  6 2015 	94
Sonic Wizard	   Mar 31 2018 	111

user315433

Fastest modern-day MSE gainers. @Sonic ^

@SFTP and olden days?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer: Limited FaceBook friends show up in Contacts app in Mavericks or Yosemite by Tim on apple.SE

7:39 AM

Kind of missing her... the last non-moderation she did was commenting on MSO

(and I cringed on some low-rep commenters...)

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308914/…

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308915/…

8:05 AM

@HTTPS <sarcasm>wait, I see an upvoted question saying that users are sometime too eager to close / delete... weren't those claims identified just as rants?</sarcasm>

8:49 AM

I just saw and realized Sports.SE's tour which has (unnecessary) nested-indentation on-topic o_O

This is awesome

aaron-os-mineandcraft12.c9.io/aosBeta.php

> This is the preview of an application being developed with Cloud9 IDE

What's awesome about it?

Cloud9 like Shog9?

user202362

I kind of wonder where are the other 8 shogs

They were closed as opinion based ...

@TelKitty they were socks so I merged them

9:05 AM

An interesting SEDE query I ran: who'd have the highest candidate score here on MSE. Unfortunately, as three of the badges have to do with per-site metas, the maximum possible candidate score here is 37. There are only three users with a candidate score of 37, of which @Shadow the Hedgehog is one

Shadow for the ~~president~~ mod.

Shadow for Master Emerald holder

@ShadowWizard linky?

I was gone while it happened

lol, searching "meta stack overflow toxic" returned this this user (already gone), and the cached version returned this question (cached)

cached by Google 1 minute after posted... :O

but perhaps it's a different post...

WayBackMachine has allowed for manual archiving for just a little while now

9:24 AM

toxic has become such an unuseful term

9:42 AM

Don't you know that you're toxic... [turns around to face moderators] I love what you do

@TelKitty assimilated into Shog

user202362

sho9

@SonicWizard I'm surprised! ;)

Who are the other two?

@TelKitty Shog9 without the G?

user202362

yeah ... like a imposter :p

user202362

sho9g

9:48 AM

@Magisch webcache.googleusercontent.com/…

@TelKitty Gosh9

@ShadowWizard I miscounted...there are four. The others are Martijn Pieters, hims056, and Glorfindel. data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/query/561548/…

@SonicWizard squidi.net/three/entry.php?id=12

user202362

@ShadowWizard that works too

@SonicWizard I think there was at least one game that actually did that.

@SonicWizard huh, nice. Think hims isn't active anymore though.

9:49 AM

@ShadowWizard hm

That wasn't that entertaining

@Magisch of course

Questions with -20 rarely are.

@Derpy For what?

@ShadowWizard Dominic Cronin... where have I seen that name... ahh! (rhetorical question)

12 hours ago, by SFTP

Taryn nuked today's source of meta entertainment. It wasn't rich, but now we have nothing...

@HTTPS hmm?

9:50 AM

I was expecting something entertaining. This was dull even for mso standards

@Magisch "entertainment" ==> Drama

This is what passes for drama now?

Because that person was the one who defended SO on the Twitter thread

oh

I didn't read the full thread, only random parts by now

tbh this is more of an indication of just how technical and uncontroversial SO is

9:52 AM

@Derpy Did you check my Puzzling question?

if this is what passes for interesting and entertaining drama here :D

@SonicWizard exactly, that was a reference to your question from yesterday. Hidden image data was already used to encapsulate save data for some games.

@Derpy Except the data's visible in your case, in my case it's not visible to even a normal image viewer (only to Fireworks)

I know, but in my case the fact that the data is visible is actually preferred.

I think I even remind a dungeon crawler that allowed for custom armors that could then be shared by sending someone the picture of the image

The image would be the custom graphic of the armor...

so, basically, the picture of the "mod" was the "mod"

@Derpy Isn't there a whole encryption technique about hiding text in grayscales of images in a way the human eye can't see?

9:56 AM

worse, it's even possible to embed a music inside a picture

5

Q: Hidden message embedded in image

There is a hidden message embedded within the below image just below the graphic of Shadow the Hedgehog that cannot be viewed using a normal image viewer. Can you find it? Hint 1: Hint 2: I'm looking for an answer that also clearly explains the trick I used to obscure the text and why it...

visual steganography

@Magisch @HTTPS

@Magisch that's was part of the idea. The picture was the armor as it had been drawn by its creator in the game item creation editor. Then, its stat were added as "hidden data" (never investigated how it was done). As a result, if you posted the image online on a site, anyone could download it and import it in the game.

(on an unrelated notice, this could be a nice idea to improve nethack / dwarf fortress UI)

Searching "april wensel stack overflow" is not for a weak heart, but I already dived in deep...

user202362

selectively ignoring people is a skill

10:12 AM

ignoring skill is selective people

user202362

april weasel attack overflow

10:35 AM

The one thing I don't get is all of this "You disagreeing with me makes me right even more" that is going on in every single comment chain regarding this

Nobody is even attempting any form of argument. It's all just "See how bad all of these people are?! They even disagree with me here

@HTTPS worse, it can be used by terrorists. /cc @Derpy

@Magisch indeed

@HTTPS to be honest, looks like she's using this to get more attention and become more famous.

It is worth noting that she runs a competitor product

So if you want to be cynical about this all of this can be dismissed as an attempt to undermine the (superior) competition

@Magisch it's the standard argument to "toxic users" defending their site, no matter where. I believe there's a specific term for that fallacy.

@ShadowWizard isn't that a little redundant? I mean... I am not surprised to know that anything can be used as a secret code to indicate something. Especially if the two parties can agree on such code beforehand.

@Magisch TBH, not sure if it's a competing product. Looks more like a tutoring community, which is definitely not what SO is.

10:43 AM

@ShadowWizard Almost everything can be used by terrorists

100% of all terrorists consume water at least once a week

Even a simple spam message posted on the meta site could be an hidden "start DDOS attack" signal. There is no scoop or big news

@Derpy redundant? How? Passing it as encoded message is way more risky.

user202362

how can you home brew google safe proxy servers?

@Magisch and how can water be used for terror attacks?

user202362

@ShadowWizard as the after product of a hydrogen explosion? Or as an ingredient for an chemical attack.

10:47 AM

@ShadowWizard By keeping fighters alive

@Magisch not if they're toxic

Any form of secure information transmission can be used to ... securely communicate. That can also be used by people who you'd like to not securely communicate

The same line of reasoning lead the british government to outlaw encryption without a backdoor

Before presumably the responsible MPs got sat down by an expert and told that outlawing math is impossible

Well, one could outlaw some specific fields of education, and leave only the members of a close group of enlighten people study the forbidden arts...
(the above message was brought you by the Illuminati Secret Agency associate #19546834996622806)

@ShadowWizard toxic water is kind of terror attacks...

@HTTPS in some places, that is a synonym of "tap water"

10:56 AM

@Shadow Will you help me test out a bug?

In the age of the internet, any enterprising high school student can learn how to implement a known encryption algorhitm. Some of these attempts are bound to produce actual encryption at some point. There'd be no point outlawing this in say the UK when a potential terrorist cell can trivially write say their own messaging app.

@ShadowWizard Delete that message

done

What's the bug? @Sonic

@ShadowWizard Reproduced it successfully

@ShadowWizard It's a loophole to allow a certain user to keep seeing a certain message, while hiding it from others

Have the user quote your message, delete your message, and then have them delete the quote.

@SonicWizard keep seeing? Like saving it to local disk before it's deleted?

@SonicWizard can't see any bug here. One can see own deleted messages.

10:59 AM

Allows you to see others' deleted message

@SonicWizard I don't think that'S a loophole

You have to have seen the message prior to deleting to quote it with this strategy

You mean you expect a chat message reply onebox to be auto deleted when the original message is deleted? That's totally not a bug, it's a feature request. @Sonic

in Shadow's Den, 2 hours ago, by TheLittleNaruto

I hope you can read deleted message. ^^ @SonicWizard

user image

@Derpy but why

11:00 AM

(from twitter post here)

@Magisch wish I knew.

@Shadow Can you help me test out another behavior?

SE doesn't like to retroactively updating something when something is edited/deleted, including username change on @reply

@HTTPS Can you help me instead?

@Magisch draw attention. Those can be just tap water in there.

Unfortunately not, time to continue coding since my code has done (read: failed) compiling

11:04 AM

@HTTPS what error? ;)

@ShadowWizard Error: code not found.

@HTTPS -1, not enough code

:D

The fact that my deleted message is a reply to another message, and the message it was a reply to, is still visible to the public

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body: Exchange - send notification to other email when a new message comes by cs9112 on serverfault.com

@SonicWizard visible how? All we see is "(removed)".

11:05 AM

@ShadowWizard On mouseover

Only message author or RO/mods can see their history.

@ShadowWizard oh, the background color on the message hinting the direction of the reply

@ShadowWizard Mouse over my deleted message stub. Is your deleted message stub highlighted?

@HTTPS oh... right! Well that's worth reporting, though pretty minor.

@SonicWizard yup ^

2 hours later…

1:01 PM

one-more-close-vote-needed meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308916/…

@ShadowWizard chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308920/… as duplicate of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/56161/…

@SonicWizard umm.. it's totally clear. What isn't clear to you? I'll vote to reopen if it gets closed.

@ShadowWizard Ping the other close voters too, then?

@SonicWizard no idea who they are.

I'll know when it gets closed.

@ShadowWizard Once it gets closed?

@SonicWizard no

1:12 PM

@ShadowWizard Why not?

@SonicWizard the faq doesn't give full explanation, in this case FF bug

@ShadowWizard But the fact is, it's unsupported, which is pointed out in that post; plus there's your answer

@SonicWizard feel it's stretching the line too much.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I unclear VTCed mainly cause I felt it was a terrible question ;)

it's clear, and yeah, it's a fact that SE doesn't have the best UX

But everytime the UX is improved, someone's workflow will be broken~

1:29 PM

@HTTPS Like when the order of off-topic close reasons was changed, so I had to reprogram my muscle memory

actually,

user image

2:22 PM

@Shadow chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308922/…

@Catija Just one more answer in comments and you'll have your first tag badge

Answering in comment!? bah! ;)

*another

//netStat

user359686

@SonicWizard The server is offline.

@SonicWizard I have lots of tag badges...

3 mins ago, by Sonic Wizard

*another

2:42 PM

@SonicWizard again, too far fetched for a hammer, IMO.

@ShadowWizard Read the last section

Of the proposed target

@ShadowWizard I agree.

3:17 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: bch transfered to cashadrrs instead of legacy by denzil4321 on bitcoin.SE

@SonicWizard not relevant, the faq title is "Who are the diamond moderators, and what is their role", so question about list of moderators can't be dupe of that. Maybe edit the faq to be "Who are the diamond moderators, what is their role, and where are they listed?" but it looks too... broad.. to me.

@ShadowWizard Don't we close questions as dupes of faqs if the answer is contained there, even though the questions aren't the same?

@SonicWizard yes, but we can stretch the "aren't same" part only to some extent.

3:53 PM

@Catija Remembered what you said to me about not being a programmer...well, I'm not a musician: puzzling.stackexchange.com/a/63649/44852

@SonicWizard Do you have to separate it at the bar lines? When you cross over the bar line with a "tie", the note is sustained... so the two quarter notes (the second and third notated notes) actually aren't played separately, they're played as if they were a half note.

@Catija The OP said in a comment on the question that all ties were to be interpreted as slurs. In fact, I had it that way in the initial revision of my answer.

@SonicWizard Why do you call out sharps when there are none?

it's just a note. It's either C# or D♭, the same either way

@Catija Necessary for proper MIDI interpretation; each constant has an internal number that represents its order in the enum, and a piece of code at the bottom makes use of that.

4:01 PM

And since the "song" is in F, all B will be B♭

@SonicWizard Except that he "fixed" the image.

All of the ties across bar lines seem to be correct... the only thing that still confuses me is the tie across the sixteenth notes.

@Catija He says it doesn't matter to the puzzle how it sounds like. Did you look at the original code?

@Catija I think he just fixed that one that I pointed out, but meant it for all of them

Well, according to OP, they are all legatos, not tied notes.

@SonicWizard But he says the length of the notes is important... and something being sustained for five beats instead of 4 plus 1 is completely different things.

Those ties over the bar lines are unnecessary otherwise.

user315433

The "voters" page lists only those who cast > 10 votes in the given period, right?

4:05 PM

I agree those are unnecessary though

user315433

I initially took this empty page for a bug but apparently it's just that nobody is voting.

@SFTP seems correct, I only see at least 11 votes

user315433

Idea: rank the sites by the number of votes cast so far in 2018

user315433

elementary OS would be near the bottom

4:21 PM

Well, sites without new questions are hard to vote... Augur & Community Building

user315433

Please, no comment review queue...

user315433

Just subtract 2 rep points for each comment made.

user315433

But Jon Skeet would lost 160K in reputation... he's 2nd by the number of comments. data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/306276/…

user315433

Or wouldn't, depending on how it works with rep cap.

Comment review queue? Isn't that what mods are?

4:30 PM

- Failed Mortarboard: Lost at least 200 reputation (the daily maximum) in a single day
- Epic Fail: Lost 200 reputation 50 times
- Legendary Fail: Lost 200 reputation 150 times

Selfie Tim Post

user315433

> We need a better way of making incoming comments visible to the community so that problems are caught and acted on sooner, and in such a way that scales with what elected moderators can handle. Is that a community review queue for new comments on old posts, comments by new users, or all comments? I don't know, but I really think something is missing here.
> Better comment review might also allow us to ease restrictions on posting comments in certain places, cutting back on a source of frustration for new users and reducing the number of non-answers posted to the site.

user315433

Go home (see full text), you're drunk.

user315433

Source: Brad Larson

user315433

@HTTPS The picture makes all the words in that answer redundant.

@Braiam There will be a blog post in the relatively near future with some numbers, our data team is working on some insights now. The latter is very interesting when 'acting upon' it means we never see them again, and the 'rudeness' was something that many people might not think was worthy of flagging. It's extremely hard to not get distracted when looking at it, but we'll have something out soon that we think makes enough sense for others to start looking into. — Tim Post ♦ 5 mins ago

either could appease some, or could be a Twitter drama fuel

4:46 PM

It's my birthday in about two weeks

user315433

animuson's birthday was recently, hope he got the movie I picked off the wishlist in time. ("Terminator 2 (4K)" seemed the most fitting choice.)

@HTTPS let's hope for the latter ... wait ... for the best, for the best ...

user315433

5:03 PM

Sites by vote count in 2018

user315433

moderators 226
augur 242
windowsphone 252
ebooks 289
beer 378
expressionengine 378
productivity 439

user315433

And we know how it went for Productivity...

user315433

Some surprises at the other end too. RPG votes more than ELU.

user315433

@Tinkeringbell Not that I'm aware of. It's been about 1-1/2 years since renewed Q&A development has been just around the corner, so I have to back away from this and let someone more in-the-know answer. — Robert Cartaino ♦ 2 hours ago

user315433

Or was it 6-8 weeks?

user315433

5:09 PM

@ShadowWizard Don't know. It's been about 1-1/2 years since renewed Q&A development has been just around the corner, so I have to back away from this and let someone more in-the-know answer. — Robert Cartaino ♦ 2 hours ago

user315433

Duplicate comment detected. Maybe it's Robert's new comment template.

user315433

Is the inclusion of "me right now" selfies a new way to humanize the interactions in this toxic inhumane wasteland?

user315433

> I'm writing this recursive Python function, and I'm all like this by now: [photo]
> This is me looking at your code: [photo]

while searching 'toxic' on other site's just for ~~fun~~ science, I found this, which if thinking about it, it's actually true

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A: How can we solve a problem of newcomers getting unexplained downvotes?

One thing to be aware of is that "newcomers who have a bad first experience" are a tiny minority. They only seem like a larger percentage because of the usual perceptual warps we humans experience, where events associated with negative or strong emotions are much more prominent in our memories, ...

almost no new users who don't have a rough start will post "Stack Overflow is a welcoming site" on MSO...

user315433

6:02 PM

Human, All Too Human

Human, All Too Human: A Book for Free Spirits (German: Menschliches, Allzumenschliches: Ein Buch für freie Geister) is a book by 19th-century philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, originally published in 1878. A second part, Assorted Opinions and Maxims (Vermischte Meinungen und Sprüche), was published in 1879, and a third part, The Wanderer and his Shadow (Der Wanderer und sein Schatten), followed in 1880. The book is Nietzsche's first in the aphoristic style that would come to dominate his writings, discussing a variety of concepts in short paragraphs or sayings. Reflecting an admiration of Voltaire...

@HTTPS Perhaps they're a Britney Spears fan too

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6:47 PM

productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/translate/…

Talk Talk - Such A Shame

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308940/…

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