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Because closing those questions because they're about something that SE doesn't have any more doesn't make sense. They didn't go through MSO and close all of the questions about Documentation now that it's gone...

Sonic Wizard

Why is spam automatically downvoted?

yesterday, by Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek What do you think of my cookie blocking proposal?

Journeyman Geek

@SFTP I suspect the latter but I don't think anyone's cared to check.

Catija

@SonicWizard Because you want it off the front page/lower in the answers list, you want to show that there's something wrong with it and you don't want the flagging users penalized with "paying" for the downvotes (in the case of answers).

Sonic Wizard

@Catija Don't we explicitly remove posts from the homepage if they have three pending red flags (on most sites)?

Catija

3:39 AM

I've never heard that.

Sonic Wizard

@Catija It's in the FAQ. Also, I'd prefer that it show up higher, so more users notice it and flag it.

Catija

Considering how little gets past Smokey, I think that it's unnecessary to rely on users for flagging spam

Regardless, the emphasis is "this is not a good post". That's what downvotes mean.

Sonic Wizard

Also, we've had cases (e.g. Anonymous Teacher) where spammers/abusers voluntarily delete their own posts if they see it accruing downvotes, to evade SpamRam

And where trolls get satisfied if they see their own post being downvoted

Journeyman Geek

@Catija I kinda disagree on unnecessary

hichris123

@SonicWizard I believe it's the inverse of that causation loop, not sure a reference for this but I believe a score of -3 causes posts to be removed from the homepage (which would be typical of a post with 3 red flags).

Sonic Wizard

3:52 AM

@hichris123 Nope, it's -4 on most sites and -8 on MSE. However, I've seen spam posts with higher scores off the homepage. It's documented in the FAQ.

user315433

@hichris123 3 red flags OR score <= -4 for any reason

hichris123

Yep, looks like I mis-remembered.

user315433

> 3 red flags on a question: question is banished from the front page and all question lists except search results. meta.stackexchange.com/a/58035

Sonic Wizard

5:09 AM

Good morning @Shadow the Hedgehog

Sonic Wizard

5:31 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308768/…

Journeyman Geek

5:44 AM

-4

Q: I have Anatidaephobia - can we change the duck as it is always watching me?

Related to this question, is there an option to change the duck to something like a large purple Gorilla? I suffer from Anatidaephobia and it is realized when the duck is actually there, watching, always watching. No, stop, please, I didn't mean to spill my water. No, please, stop looking at me ...

._.

Might have been funnier a few days ago

user202362

Could have a question on the April first: 'What should I do? There is a duck in the corner stalking me!'

Journeyman Geek

6:07 AM

yup

I'd almost guess it makes more sense as an irrational fear

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308770/…

user202362

6:27 AM

Journeyman Geek

IT WATCHES!

rene

6:41 AM

@Catija sure

rene

7:12 AM

Can someone check if my comment here is about right or am I missing the point?

Journeyman Geek

7:23 AM

ah, sadly, I don't get enough of the answer to tell

Magisch

@rene Seems around right

rene

Well, it is an attempt to answer, so that is about it ...

Magisch

OP is asking if it's correct that SE leaves websockets open until further notice, and the answer says "But you can close them yourself"

rene

hmm, that is not what I get from their code but I'll accept that explanation

Magisch

Actually it's worse

OP is asking why SE leaves websockets open causing tabs to load perpetually sometimes (as far as the browser knows) and the answer is a complete nonsequitur about closing websockets in code

o_O

rene

7:32 AM

delv-pls 20K recruitment meta.stackexchange.com/q/308770/158100 /cc @Glorfindel @JourneymanGeek @ShadowWizard @Bart (needs 1 more)

Journeyman Geek

@rene already delvoted

rene

yeah, I assumed one of the votes was yours ... ;)

rene

7:47 AM

→ 5 messages moved to Chimney

nicael

1

Q: Is it okay to delete and re-ask an untouched question?

As asked in the question is it allowed to delete a question and reask it. It is worth noted that the question doesnt have an answer or even a comment. Here is the link to the question if necessary.

discussion

Anyone who could start a bounty for the question that user mentioned?

Or maybe no

xd

Shadow Wizard

8:32 AM

@SonicWizard morning!

@nicael what for? It's off topic, programming questions belong to Stack Overflow. Probably there are also some pending close votes there.

HTTPS

8:54 AM

@rene I think it's better to change cmd /c D:\\mytiff.tiff to cmd /c D:\mytiff.tiff (change the double backslashes to single) in the answer for general case.

Derpy

shouldn't VSCode default icon for the node_modules folder be a small black hole?

or at least a 16ton weight?

rene

@HTTPS done, thanks

@Derpy Joke already made: devhumor.com/media/node-modules-1

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy still less than the whole .NET system DLL repository... node.js has no GAC.

rene

9:15 AM

\o/ SuperUser rep

Magisch

@rene flower branching out to other sites :p

rene

All my answers on SU are accidents ...

SmokeDetector

9:45 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: What has snowboarding taught you? by William Castillo on sports.SE

Derpy

@rene I know, that is the very reason I asked for the icon.

rene

@Derpy create a plugin ;)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: How to detect if an address is a contract? by J dongkuen on ethereum.SE

HTTPS

10:59 AM

ouch!

sign-off from the office

Shadow Wizard

11:20 AM

@rene many great inventions are accidental... ;-)

Derpy

free spam flags - meta.stackexchange.com/users/387263/hostdens (user burination is also suggested)

Fawad

👍

SmokeDetector

11:40 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in answer: What courses would be useful for a DevOps Engineer? by Naveen M on devops.SE

HTTPS

12:00 PM

!!/report drupal.stackexchange.com/a/259242/35727 drupal.stackexchange.com/a/259239/35727 drupal.stackexchange.com/a/259244/35727

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Loading online videos even with flash / pepper [Ubuntu 16\] by shandireza on askubuntu.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 2 out of 3): How can I change the active theme programmatically? by Sankar on drupal.SE

Journeyman Geek

1:13 PM

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308783/…

user315433

MS links are broken... :(

Magisch

@SFTP Yeah, metasmoke is out of disk space

user315433

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 48 mins ago, by A J

Spam Wars: Undo Awakens :P

user315433

I see, we have to wait for device owner to do something.

user315433

I think Undo may have gone ~~fishing~~ college-shopping.

Shadow Wizard

1:26 PM

@Magisch why not disable the problematic parts until the trolling wave is over?

Magisch

@ShadowWizard this is independant of the troll wave

longstanding issue with the log rotation script

rene

that can be fun ...

user202362

1:42 PM

you know that youtube shooter from yesterday, what if she was an A.I. robot tested by google and the whole thing was a cover up?

user202362

or she could be an A.I. robot, but not from google

user202362

She does look a bit not naturally human look like in that picture

rene

You're much in the conspiracy business?

user202362

this is the female shooter

user202362

1:49 PM

user202362

this was one of google founder back in his young days

user202362

similarities anyone???

user202362

google literally based A.I. model on one of their founders fantasies

Sonic Wizard

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308784/…

(Voluntarily deleted)

Tim Post

I'm not sure about the conspiracy, but the part of my brain that sees faces in things found something to be very strange about her appearance. That actually bothered me a bit, as I couldn't explain why I found her appearance to be strange.

Journeyman Geek

1:55 PM

@TimPost I think its the expression

also her neck seems ... kinda oddly muscular

seemed?

Tim Post

Could be? I was worried because feeling negative things you can't quite explain can indicate the presence of irrational fear that you didn't know was there.

Journeyman Geek

Like a fear that a duck is watching you?

Tim Post

Ducks work for intelligence agencies, everyone knows that.

Journeyman Geek

but are easily paid off with bread.

Sonic Wizard

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308783/…

Fawad

2:09 PM

I am scared now. Her neck 😨

HTTPS

The uncanny valley...

bjb568

@hichris123 UCLA's expensive tho.

So I'm thinking either Berkeley or Duke.

Sonic Wizard

I think someone's serially downvoting me...let's see if the script reverses it

user315433

Imagining bjb's freshman comp essays with "tho" and "thru"

bjb568

Oh, I spelled those out.

Journeyman Geek

2:13 PM

as tho and thru?

bjb568

as in ugh.

I bet I actually used words that were too long. I got a personalized card from Duke and they seemed to slightly misunderstand my essay.

Journeyman Geek

tho and thru are spelled ugh?

bjb568

It'd also explain some of my rejections.

tho-ugh thro-ugh

user315433

I was thinking of freshman writing classes, where you also write essays, but are also graded on them...

bjb568

Oh, those. I think I can generally get by without comment using thru, I haven't pushed it with tho tho.

user315433

2:15 PM

@bjb568 Personalized as in "bjb, we are worried about you"?

bjb568

Thru is used on official signage on streets and stuff, but tho's probably seen still as a texting abbr.

@SFTP Pretty much.

Or more like "you got in, yay, we like you, you should consider this program".

They should be worried tho.

HTTPS

dough

bjb568

The application process is unhealthy and it's just getting worse as people are forced to apply to more schools and acceptance rates go down. If you want to go to a good school, you have to waste a huge amount of time with the app process and then go through being rejected a bunch until you win the lotery at one of the places you tried.

… if you even do. There's a lot that you can do or know to work the system better and there's a lot up to chance.

user315433

@HTTPS Now spelled "do", given that "donut" appears to have won over "doughnut"...

bjb568

It's in the top school's individual interest to do all this and try to keep increasing the size of their applicant pool, but it'll probably approach a point where people don't want to bother with it and instead of getting real talent, a good chunk of the talent will just be attracted to lower-ranked places where they know they can get in and get money.

user315433

2:21 PM

Like SFTP University

bjb568

Having a 2% acceptance rate sounds prestigious, but the real smart applicants are probably the ones that don't feel like taking the gamble.

user315433

<-- acceptance rate 48% (2015 data)

user315433

TIL Google has a search card for {college} acceptance rate.

bjb568

The worst of it is a place like UChicago, which is pretty good academically, but when I went there it seemed kinda gloomy. They're ranked #3 and they have a bunch of applicant pools: Early Action, Early Decision 1, Early Decision 2, Regular Decision + deferals, transfer, waitlist. They advertise heavily to get unqualified applicants to apply and drive down their acceptance rate. The regular decision pool, which is the largest, is useless for applicants since the class is mostly full by then.

Do people actually want to go there enough to sign an exclusivity contract a year before they'd attend? I doubt it, but that's what you need to do to get in.

user315433

UChicago has the reputation of being an unhealthy place.

bjb568

2:25 PM

I think it probably is, although people claim that its motto "where fun goes to die" has changed over the last decade.

Sonic Wizard

@SFTP My allergies are not conducive to cold air

bjb568

Maybe it's because they've been marketing themselves as a quirky intellectual niche kind of place. Their application is real unique and all because the main essay is supposed to be creative.

user202362

prestigious universities are all over rated, the fact that none of the humans has ever stepped on to another planet is the proof

Sonic Wizard

I visited their campus in September 2015, and their buildings look like Hogwarts

Journeyman Geek

hah

bjb568

2:28 PM

Every college tour says that their buildings look like Hogwarts. o_0

Sonic Wizard

FYI: The acceptance rate for Delta Air Lines' flight attendant academy is less than that of Harvard

user315433

Can confirm (the Hogwarts thing)

Journeyman Geek

@TelKitty putting people on other planets is actual rocket science.

@bjb568 better Hogwarts than the unseen university

Sonic Wizard

@bjb568 UT's buildings seem very modern in comparison, even the older ones (with the exception of Littlefield House)

user202362

prestigious universities probably can get you higher on human hierarchy, but consider we are a dumb race, that's not getting you far

user315433

2:29 PM

Moral: become a duck.

2

bjb568

I personally like Johns Hopkin's brick-and-glass architecture.

Sonic Wizard

UT has Plan II

Journeyman Geek

@TelKitty hehe, I have somewhat of a dim view of how people see education these days, but I don't want to discourage the youngster ;p

rene

> Only saving grace is if it could fool rene then it could fool a mod

user202362

@JourneymanGeek Don't get me wrong, I think getting broad education is good for anyone who could afford them. Universities do teach people a lot of useful things.

Journeyman Geek

2:37 PM

@TelKitty I kinda think in many cases - well people rely on them as a sign people know stuff too much ;p

Catija

2:50 PM

Thanks @rene :D

HTTPS

Gone with the petal~

rene

;)

Sonic Wizard

@Catija Speaking of colleges, just as a curious question, why didn't you enroll until age 24 as you said?

Catija

@SonicWizard ... enroll at UT... I had over 100 credit hours of coursework when I started at UT.

Sonic Wizard

@Catija From where?

If I may ask

Catija

2:54 PM

Three different community colleges across the country... a year in Seattle, a year in DC (Northern Virginia) and two years in San Antonio.

Interesting...

Interesting...

Interstating...

I took my motorcycle course at a NOVA Campus. They're actually extremely reputable

Maybe I'm biased though because I live in the DC area

Catija

@SterlingArcher Which one? They have like... five. I went to the Annandale and Arlington campuses.

Sterling Archer

3:08 PM

I've been to the Annadale campus, but my class was at the Loudon campus

The one off 7

Fawad

Sonic Wizard

3:27 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

@SmokeDetector delete

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Are Jews reptilians? by Rakesh on judaism.SE

Sonic Wizard

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Sterling Archer

Not gonna lie, i'm jewish and that's hilarious

rene

3:56 PM

Praise the patience of TIm Post. But my snarks probably didn't help.

Catija

You mean with regards to that "you should delete this answer" user from SO?

rene

No, wrt this

Catija

Ah... I admit that I feel like meta voters have a tendency to reach for the downvote button very quickly when it comes to people complaining about moderation... and as a mod, I appreciate the protective huddle but I wonder if sometimes it's not quite necessary.

Sterling Archer

I'm going to spite-upvote you now

Feel better?

@rene 95 H&I reviews X.x

So much... garbage.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: that can truly break up all your extra fat. by BonnGard on drupal.SE

rene

4:02 PM

@Catija I didn't vote yet (despite my comment) as I still don't know which users they mean.

@SterlingArcher Oh, I'm still in front, done 102 ..

Sterling Archer

YOU SAID YOU WERENT GONNA DO MORE

Oh it's go time

rene

I'll try to set me to it tonight ...

@SterlingArcher Maybe I lied ...

Sterling Archer

If you get sabotaged it wasn't me, it was probably Shog

rene

Oh that is for sure

Sterling Archer

Now I understand how people get so many flags. The late answer/first answer queue is full of NAA

rene

4:13 PM

yep. and you can watch Nato

user315433

Or you can do FATC (Flag All The Comments)

Sterling Archer

Que?

user315433

New Answers To Old (questions) is a chatroom on SO, a bot posts stuff there.

Sterling Archer

ah

user315433

They are usually NAA.

HTTPS

4:36 PM

@rene Tim being nice? Did he finally stick the key somewhere?

rene

could be

SmokeDetector

5:21 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Remove key from known_hosts by asshoe on superuser.com

SmokeDetector

5:39 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link following arrow in body, potentially bad keyword in body: AOL Mail Tech support by danial brown on photo.SE

user315433

By popular demand: top 50 SO flaggers

user315433

And no, I'm not doing that for other sites.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: Using first name in university email by cigikath on academia.SE

Andy

Booyah. Still #1

SmokeDetector

6:14 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: Why Jewish Mohel sucks the circumcised penis of a baby? by Ramesh on judaism.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Who said that little Tzfardeaim jumped out of the big one's mouth? by Adolf on judaism.SE

user315433

Weird idea of the day: New Voting Option: Per-tag Bad-Answerer by liliscent on meta.stackoverflow.com

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Why Jewish Mohel sucks the circumcision wound of a baby? by Ramesh on judaism.SE

user315433

Just say no to any kind of sideway voting...

SmokeDetector

6:29 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: For a student, what is the optimal usage of a solution manual? by Alina on academia.SE

user315433

> Thank you dear I think that will help.

user315433

You're welcome, honey. flags the comment, poof

user315433

-1

A: How do I select all pixels that match an exact color value in Adobe Photoshop?

what is the tool in pixlr that is used to select all items that are a certain color in an image?? It has to be nine letters , to fit in the crossword puzzle i am doing and the seventh letter is a

user315433

How come there is no crosswords.se site

rene

would it be full of questions like that?

Sterling Archer

6:39 PM

Man, judiasm.se is getting some hate today

Catija

I would think questions about crosswords would be allowed on puzzling.

@SterlingArcher Yes, it's a holiday for them, so many of their regular users and mods will be away for the next two days... so the trolls often come out to play at those times.

Sterling Archer

What holiday is it?

Catija

... Passover.

Sterling Archer

Oh shit

Crap i'm a bad jew

Catija

Dude.

:P

Sterling Archer

6:48 PM

I got screwed over so hard on my bar mitzvah. My cousin got a small paragraph of the torah to sing, and I had 2 and a half BACK TO BACK pages.

It took me 45 minutes to crack-sing it

Because who makes a 13 year old boy sing for 45 minutes? That's just mean

rene

I assume we can watch that somewhere on YT? Please share a link ... nor for laughs ofc ...

Sterling Archer

I mean that was 13 years ago :P

I didn't even have a phone with a camera until I was like 17

rene

Just re-master the super-8 will do ...

Sterling Archer

Will you attend the after party?

I'm a little bit bigger but I expect to be chair hoisted

Hoist me like one of your functions

Jon Ericson

@Catija I'm gonna be around, however, so please flag nonsense when you see it.

user315433

6:55 PM

(1) Hinduism; (2) Islam; (3) Judaism got hit in this order.

user315433

I guess it's not really a holiday thing.

Catija

@JonEricson Glad to hear. I'll let you know. I know Charcoal's keeping a close eye, too... though it depends on what gets picked up by smokey.

Jon Ericson

@SFTP Islam is amazing when Ramadan comes along:

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Q: The increasing popularity of Islam.SE

TL;DR: Islam.SE's traffic is high and growing rapidly. We might even overtake Christianity.SE in the near future. We can expect a large Ramadan spike in traffic. Unlike Christianity.SE, most of Islam.SE's traffic comes from outside the US. Our per-day rate of questions is higher than at most p...

discussion quality-evaluation

@Catija No problem. Many eyes make light . . . um . . .

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