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2:03 PM

@jadarnel27 I am honored!

@Derpy I... find it hard to follow subtle color changes. :(

@Mithrandir there was something like Hebrew Language proposal on Area 51, now it's totally gone... any idea what happened to it?

oh, Google found it. area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/102005/hebrew-language/… R.I.P

@TelKitty try chocolate coating, it can do wonders.

HTTPS

Apparently someone created Stack Overflow in my language, but the front page directly asked for sign in/up, then I closed the tab.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard I am somehow tempted to point out that it is a common meme that males can't tell the difference between similar colors.

rene

@Derpy well, to be honest, we can, it is just that we don't care ...

HTTPS

Just point it out: XKCD

Shadow Wizard

@HTTPS ?

you mean SO clone?

SO real site also asks people to sign up...

It got better, it was more than half the page for a while, lol

HTTPS

2:14 PM

But I couldn't see any questions before doing that.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy I can see the difference, just can't name it. :)

@HTTPS oh. Link?

HTTPS

@ShadowWizard pertanyaanku.com

Masuk = login, Daftar = register

Worse than "the hyphen site" :/

Shadow Wizard

@HTTPS well.... calling it "Stack Overflow" is.... verrrrrry far fetched. The only thing in common is that they put upvote/downvote arrows, as far as I could see. e.g. here.

Everything else is very different, full with huge ads, and as bad as any non-SO programming forum out there. :)

Sonic Wizard

Could be an SE clone

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard no it's not, unless you think the upvote/downvote is SE patent, which it isn't.

There are many clones which copied SO design almost perfectly, but that's not one of them. :)

This one reminds me of the programming forums we have in Hebrew, which are all REALLY bad, both in design and in content. Totally useless is an understatement.

HTTPS

2:24 PM

@ShadowWizard hmm... okay... plain, but if it works for them, then so be it~

Shadow Wizard

@HTTPS works for who? Those who created it? With such bad UX and general design, I doubt they will be able to pay the bills much longer.

but who knows... :)

Feeds

Just tell me everything you're thinking about in order from most important to last, and then we'll be friends and we can eat apples together.

HTTPS

> Normal Human

user315433

Yes, that's how my small talk usually goes (the last panel)

user315433

@Feeds s/last/least/ or is this intentional?

user315433

2:34 PM

Not every language/culture practices greetings-in-question-form.

user315433

Is Randall saying they are not normal? or not human? :/

Shadow Wizard

hmm... are you called "International Space Station" also? @SFTP

user315433

No.

Shadow Wizard

oh, OK

HTTPS

@ShadowWizard that's the most important you think about SFTP?!

Shadow Wizard

2:39 PM

@HTTPS of course, such a name has lots of weight

user315433

@Feeds Hi X! Is X your real name?

user315433

There, problem solved.

Catija

@SFTP Yeah, because that never causes problems...

17

Q: How to recover from being falsely seen as a racist?

So here is the story: It was a Saturday night and my wife and I were sitting outside, drinking. We've already had a few drinks and we were talking, listening to music, in a good mood if you will. I see about 5 or 6 houses down from ours (we live in townhouse apartments, so the houses are stacked...

rene

@SFTP sounds like an X-Y problem ...

Shadow Wizard

@Catija the XY problem?

Catija

2:53 PM

@ShadowWizard Asking people whether their name is actually their real name. The only people I do that with are the call center staff who are always named "Bob" but sound very much like they're Indian... but I don't really even do that any more.

user315433

Good. That may be falsely seen as racist. Or heard.

user315433

I did consider adopting Bob or some such for coffee shop orders.

user315433

Given that the real name seems impossible to parse.

Catija

Starbucks employees will still happily spell it incorrectly.

Shadow Wizard

3:06 PM

@Catija lol... well, this can be done as joke once you get to know them for a while, but yeah, otherwise it's pretty rude.

Like asking for age/weight/salary etc. :)

Shog9

3:36 PM

@ShadowWizard yep

bjb568

3:49 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ chomp

Magisch

Metasmoke got trolled today

Catija

@Magisch Are you sure the tense there is correct?

Magisch

@Catija If it's still going on it started off weak and got even weaker

Catija

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 17 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user '13294025' created

Catija

4:15 PM

@Shog9 you have a doppelganger: stackexchange.com/users/13294179/shog9

HTTPS

and no listed account :/

hichris123

@bjb568 Depending on your choice, you'll have to let me know -- I'll be in LA for college.

user315433

4:45 PM

I imagined you'd end up at Claremont after you said it's a SLAC

user315433

More specific guess would be Pomona.

user315433

Is this approximately correct, @hichris123?

hichris123

@SFTP Yep, got it.

user315433

So far, exactly one of my coauthors was an undergraduate at the time the paper was written. And he was a Pomona student.

hichris123

5:03 PM

Yeah, it should definitely be an interesting 4 years.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

5:34 PM

@ShadowWizard @Sha what is your age-weighed salary?

@Catija dead doppelganger

user315433

@Feeds s/apples/spiders/

user315433

> How's your internal skeleton today?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

How many spider apples have you eaten @hic?

@SFTP I would prefer to be asked about my intestinal bacteria

user315433

0

A: Is higher or lower resistance wire able to heat up more? Are there other factors?

cant belivie tht i have superpowers everytime i act like i throw suminthe light go in and out but at frist i thought it was the hosue but no i did it again and happens and when i and i hold out my hand a feel heat and sometimes a little smoke

user315433

Some people have the superpower of correct spelling, but they are rare.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

5:47 PM

@SFTP well, the guy's hand is smoking and what-not, so they can't really type

user315433

Has to type wearing oven mittens to avoid burning the keyboard.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Poor mittens

user315433

Nicolas is designing a 1-flag regex for ruSO but I don't understand his approach...

user315433

He took the 50 most common words in NLN flagged comments and regex-golfed them into

вопрос[ов|а|ы|ом|у|e]*|ответ[ов|а|ы|ом|у|e]*|спасибо|код[а]*|комментари[и|й]*

user315433

That is, question, answer, thanks, comment with their inflected forms.

user315433

5:55 PM

... of course a lot of comments contain "question" or "answer". That doesn't help in deciding if they are useful.

John Dvorak

Are you ... questioning their approach?

user315433

From the safety of the Tavern. I deleted my ruSO profile long ago.

Adam Lear

well, that ... answers that then

user315433

6:30 PM

-2

A: If a person were to die on the Moon or Mars, would the body decompose?

Doesn't matter your dead anyway and the body just a vessel of the soul.

user315433

He has a point.

Catija

And he used the wrong form of "you're".

John Dvorak

He also missed "is" in "is just"

Catija

So... NaA and an f on their grammar quiz.

HTTPS

6:50 PM

i went slept, good mite

user315433

7:36 PM

Went to Physics building to take a look at their exhibits on the first floor.... Physics department definitely has more to show than math.

user315433

An exhibit on the concept of mass says

user315433

> People talk about "loosing weight" when, in fact, they want to loose mass.

user315433

Something about a log in one's eye...

Catija

They're also using "loose" when they mean "lose".

user315433

That was my point.

Catija

7:38 PM

Ah.

Well, there you go, then.

user315433

> The clock displayed here looks like a pendulum clock but it's timekeeping device is a quartz oscillator.

user315433

Grr. Trying to live up to the physics nerd stereotype?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SFTP I don't want to loose at all. It's typically painful

user315433

user315433

I was puzzled by this display of wood... is all this for docking boats?

user315433

7:45 PM

(Port Jefferson, Long Island, NY, USA)

user315433

If so, how do people get in/out of their boats?

user315433

Valet parking, I guess. Not in season now, there were no boats to see.

rene

They buy a yacht ...

user315433

To me it looks like a cemetery of trees.

Shadow Wizard

8:03 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 777,777

@Shog9 nice! So can you please do that to the OP of this question? @Glorfindel and @Mithrandir say it's a long time troll who post this same off topic question on several sites, then delete their account shortly after. Guess you can use your tools to prove this as well, if their word isn't enough. :)

user315433

Survey of users to judge quality and culture of an SE site?

user315433

Hm. Define "users" first.

Shadow Wizard

@SFTP people who use the site?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ on the contrary. When it's loose it's not painful.

user315433

Most of those use it to look up an answer to a specific question and close the tab. They are not here to take surveys.

Shadow Wizard

@Catija how did you find that?

@Catija huh? What does it mean?

Is this related to Shog's blank clone? :)

Catija

8:19 PM

@ShadowWizard it's one of the accounts that's trolling Charcoal.

Shadow Wizard

@Catija but what you mean "trolling Charcoal"?

I'm not really active there so not sure what you mean.. if it's chat, doesn't it require 20 rep to take part?

SmokeDetector

Reports blocked for 3600 second(s) in room 65945 on stackexchange.com.

Catija

8:37 PM

@ShadowWizard ... this morning they were creating dozens... not sure how many... SO accounts and then creating MetaSmoke accounts for them.

user315433

Which is fine, because it's something that doesn't affect main sites at all.

Catija

The Charcoal team fixed that issue, and then the troll found a way to do something that created thousands of new account requests... which has had the side effect of creating a very long backlog of Smoke Detector messages in their chat room, (new users added to MetaSmoke create a chat message in CHQ)... and there's thousands of them... interleaved with real spam reports.

... and with the 20 second rate limit, the end result is that smokey is way behind in reporting spam and posting spam response from the people who respond to them.

@SFTP Other than the SO mods having a ton of new accounts to kill...

user315433

They don't have to do anything with those accounts unless accounts do something, and then it's business as usual.

Shog9

@ShadowWizard yeah, I did that hours ago.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SmokeDetector great

user315433

8:48 PM

0

A: Can I get a university teaching job with only a bachelors degree?

I go to a decently ranked university and some of the lecturers for the first year computer science classes only have bachelor degrees.

user315433

That's what you get for choosing a university based on rankings.

user315433

That said, employing undergraduates as TAs (not primary instructors) is very reasonable.

Catija

I think it depends on the college you're in... the concept that professors have to have doctoral level degrees is sort of old for many of the "newer" subjects.

Heck, UT lets Matthew McConaughey teach film classes...

> Matthew David McConaughey (/məˈkɒnəheɪ/; born November 4, 1969) is an American actor, director, producer, writer, and co-teacher at the University of Texas at Austin, where he co-teaches "Advanced Producing: Script to Screen".

Sadly, he was not teaching there when I took that class.

user315433

9:04 PM

What's the oldest SE site outside of the trilogy SO/SU/SF?

Catija

Math Overflow apparently.

user315433

Hm. That table is not always right concerning migrated sites though.

Catija

Migrated?

user315433

For Sharepoint it gives "7y", based on 2011-04-07 migration to SE 2.0. But the site existed since 2009. sharepoint.stackexchange.com/posts/1/revisions

user315433

@Catija SE 1.0 sites that were created using SE-provided software, but eventually migrated to SE 2.0 platform that we know and love.

Catija

9:07 PM

MO is still older than that.

0

Q: Ignore this question

This question is a hacky way to create some tags for you to use. Move along.

ag.algebraic-geometry at.algebraic-topology ca.classical-analysis-and-odes ct.category-theory co.combinatorics

user315433

MathOverflow and Sharepoint both fall in this category. The age is correctly shown for MO but not for SP.

user315433

Doesn't exclude the possibility of there being a site that's older than MO.

Catija

Hmmm... Sounds like a high-priority bug. ;)

user315433

Luckily we have an authoritative answer regarding imported sites.

user315433

Sound.SE has a bunch of deleted "testing" questions 1-17, including sound.stackexchange.com/questions/17/how-the-hell-did

user315433

9:12 PM

The first actual post is from 2010.

user315433

ru.SO also started in 2010

user315433

Okay, looks like these are all extant sites that started before 2010: SO (July 31, 2008), SF (April 30, 2009), SU (July 14, 2009), MathOverflow (Sep 28, 2009), Sharepoint (Oct 6, 2009), Electrical Engineering (Oct 28, 2009), and Mi Yodeya (Dec 6, 2009).

Catija

... so... I was right?

MO is 2009, not 2010...

user315433

Thanks, these are all 2009, I mistyped.

user202362

user315433

9:18 PM

2010 saw the introduction of SE 2.0 model, Area 51, and all that followed.

user202362

for fish/oysters farming especially if you can see the ~~usb cables~~ lines and hooks on wood stump

Shadow Wizard

10:48 PM

@Shog9 thanks!

Catija

11:27 PM

@DanBron - In general, if I share my motivation then it can influence the decision making. I am not interested in it. If the reason is not obvious, then it is better to stay as it is. — Vityata 17 secs ago

Seriously... a 20K user on SO will not support their FR with any sort of explanation?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: HP laptop reboot BSOD code 0x00000124 by Caroline Mackenzie on superuser.com

user315433

An attempt to organize a comment-flagging campaign on ELU: Finding comments that are 'no longer needed'

nicael

11:43 PM

I am missing so much the notifications and achievements om the left

They absolutely don't look like they should

user315433

The site's got a heart but it beats on the opposite side.

Catija

HAHAHA.

nicael

status-burn-topbar

user315433

I hide it entirely with CSS.

user315433

And use keyboard shortcuts to navigate. And URL autocomplete in the browser.

user315433

11:46 PM

Loosely related:

nicael

My eyes are ultimately wrecked

user315433

106

Q: The cardiologist can't tell if my heart is beating!

I have found a... strange, to say the least, error on Stack Overflow. I was just browsing normally and I decided to open the error console, and I saw this: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'isHeartBeating' of undefined I thought that was a bit odd, so I found the line on which the error ...

bug status-completed javascript

nicael

I havent done my homework ready for tomorrow gimme a crying emoji

I couldnt even type that sentence correctly

I havent been deducked for years

Journeyman Geek

stop chatting start now?

nicael

Start wat?

im sleeping

!

John Dvorak

11:51 PM

Not wat, now :P

user315433

41

Q: Top-navigation choices

Stack Exchange Top Nav Choices ( install ) ( GitHub ) Top Nav Choices changes the new Stack Exchange/Stack Overflow top navigation based on the preferences you set. The preferences are accessed on your normal Stack Exchange preferences page1. Default changed top navigation on Stack Overflo...

script tampermonkey topbar navigation

user315433

You can rearrange everything with that tool.

Journeyman Geek

start your homework :p

nicael

@SFTP Not my position in my bed with iPad in my hands though

And also ima the best student in my class. Thats haos coming!

/startHomework

got 403 response!

Im missing 2014 when i had enough time to break thingz

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