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7:01 AM
how many upvotes on SE are fake?
 
At least one, I bought it from John.
 
@JohnDvorak for this we have to first decide what "fake" means, since it's not just a view. If you mean made by bots, I believe the number is very low, well below 1% of the overall votes. If you mean voting blindly or not based on content (e.g. just to get badges), well, the number might be pretty high.
 
votes provided as a reward for a financial transaction
 
hehe
We can't know this... but I want to believe that at least 50% of the overall SE votes are "real", and to the point. :)
Also there's HNQ which plays major role in non-SO sites.... so it's interesting question to ask if votes which are only the result of question being HNQ are "real" or not. I mean, if one would just stumble over the question they likely wouldn't bother to vote, but seeing it in HNQ, they say "hey, this is good!" and upvote.
 
7:06 AM
dream on ...
 
We can A/B test removing the HNQ
 
Can't we ban avatars that depict food?
 
I argue that your avatar depicts food as well :P
 
@rene it's yummy food!
And brown
3
 
@JohnDvorak I don't want to be included in the non-HNQ group >:(
 
7:07 AM
@jadarnel27 would love my new avatar!
buh bad typo day
 
yes, yummy brown food
 
@HTTPS exactly
brown usually means chocolate... and chocolate is yummy.... :D
 
FR: Add to the room tags.
 
browniesssssss
 
Chocolate!
 
7:09 AM
And @Uni is purple!
@Unitato yeah, on me for the time being!
 
Ahh, my tail and horns are purple
 
(until Passover is over in few days ;))
 
And I am an albino potato
 
@Unitato lol, I ate purple potato chips not long ago... was tasty!
 
Your avatar looks like Nutella 😋
 
user202362
7:11 AM
Shadow's avatar reminds me of chocolate pizza, it was delicious ...
 
For some reason it's called "blue" but it's actually pure purple. @Uni ^
:D
 
That's fine, my dad (a potato) was an asshole, so I have no compassion for potatoes ;)
Maybe the manufacturer was colorblind
Maybe he is half-bull. Bulls cannot see the color red.
🤔
 
@Unitato it might well be, dunno what chocolate spread was used... can take my own pic with real Nutella at home though. :D
@TelKitty blasphemy! Pizza is not Kosher (for Passover)!! ;)
@Mithrandir you eat מצות? ;)
 
@ShadowWizard 0_0
cause leven?
 
?
context? @Journeyman
And what's "leven"?
 
7:15 AM
cause its yeasty risen dough?
I probably mispelled the hell out of it
 
What are the various species that inhabit stackoverflow? I know unicorns, ponies, waffles, and some hoomans
 
only robots, including Skeet
 
unicorns are robots??
 
@JourneymanGeek oh, the pizza not being passover-kosher? Yeah, because it contains wheat flour.
@Unitato wizards
 
7:17 AM
Now I'm in the phase of Matza Wizard, but still, a Wizard. :D
 
Arent wizards hoomans technically?
They are a separate species?
 
@Unitato nah, not really
 
Matza Wizards. They are made of meat wheat...
 
@Unitato flowers
 
7:32 AM
Ahh
Yes, flowers too.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ you've been caught here
 
exposed
 
exposed is fine with me
 
Hi
 
Not you haha
I meant @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ
 
7:35 AM
Does anyone know why I still get issues with trying to get to chat.stackoverflow.com
but can access chat.stackexchange.com fine?
 
What kind of issues?
 
My proxy blocks it, more specifically
But I think they only use a blacklist of words from the url to stop a website
I can't access any 'game' related websites for example.
 
@rene I don't think it's possible? I believe any votes are anonymous, until they're revealed by the system?
 
But I can access anything from stackoverflow fine, except chat.stackoverflow
I get "ERR_TUNNEL_CONNECTION_FAILED"
 
@HTTPS yeah, they are not in SEDE either
 
7:37 AM
Oh well
 
@Albzi you are using HTTPS right? is the certificate you got correct?
 
I am @rene
Access to that website is restricted haha
 
well, curse talk to the sysadmins of that proxy ...
I admit chat.so is a doomed, dark place ;)
@Albzi this is the thumbprint of the cert you should have for chat.stackoverflow.com 63fe7abfeb1456756505dbc6c6c370b21df72af9
 
@Albzi
Also @rene why are you a blurry flower?
 
7:42 AM
@HTTPS cross reference question votes and user rep with enough detail and you may even identify downvoters. At least on low traffic sites.
 
@Unitato because I lost focus long time ago ...
 
Yoga might help you restore it ;)
 
Turning the proxy off does nothing
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: Re-installing windows caused connection reset error. by dassy on superuser.com
 
Ok
So
I'll just hang here instead
They won't unblock it
 
7:51 AM
@rene pfft
You can't touch me on chem
 
And quite honestly if they found out this one was working it would get blocked too lol
 
@Unitato he doesn't want us to see his murderous face expressions
 
@Albzi yeah, those enterprise sysadmins and their pet-peeves ...
 
to sysadmin hell with them all!
 
@rene I just realized all flowers are nude
 
7:52 AM
O_o
That are my new clothes
 
So is this just a general chat. Like an off-topic, or is there an actual topic to this room?
 
@Albzi the topic seems to be MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS AND CHICKEN!
 
Yeah
Which is my fetish
So just wondering what's going on here
 
The topic is hence, mostly just starring @Bart's messages
 
Nice
 
7:55 AM
@Albzi Unicorns, Ponies, Waffles, and Jon Skeet are the most discussed here
 
Nice
I can talk about at least one of those things.
 
Sometimes unitatoes too
 
I used to skip my unitato classes at school, so I don't know much about those.
 
Unitatoes are yuck
 
To eat, yes.
While potatoes are delicious, my furry tail and horn are revolting to the tongue
 
7:57 AM
@Unitato but full of protein, so you can be turned into powder for astronauts
 
But pulverising my horn and fur releases toxins.
 
Come here, I'm not gonna hurt you
 
xD
@Albzi Oh, and looking at the tags, crickets are apparently discussed as well
Havent seen much talk about them tho
 
@René oh, forgot to wish you Happy Birthday few days ago! So... Happy Birthday! How it feels like, to be 422 years old? :D
René Descartes (; French: [ʁəne dekaʁt]; Latinized: Renatus Cartesius; adjectival form: "Cartesian"; 31 March 1596 – 11 February 1650) was a French philosopher, mathematician, and scientist. Dubbed the father of modern western philosophy, much of subsequent Western philosophy is a response to his writings, which are studied closely to this day. A native of the Kingdom of France, he spent about 20 years (1629–49) of his life in the Dutch Republic after serving for a while in the Dutch States Army of Maurice of Nassau, Prince of Orange and the Stadtholder of the United Provinces. He is generally...
 
Whoa
I never knew that coordinate systems were invented by a flower
 
8:01 AM
@ShadowWizard he looks like a dork
 
@Albzi hey! Another familiar face from the past..... like @Unitato! Glad you still use my unicorn! :D
 
I remember him to be cooler
 
@Unitato of course!
 
Descartes not Floweres
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nah, that's the common face back then. :D
@JourneymanGeek noooooo, that would turn me void.... the horror....
 
8:03 AM
So dorkery is ancient
 
@rene with pants down?! :P
 
@ShadowWizard hey, you're not a celebrity without a real, juicy scandal
I'll give autographs in the end of the show
 
ending show
 
doodling on @Sha's face enthusiastically
Yes, a mustache is my autograph
 
I remember you Shadow
You're my idol when it comes to this chat room
 
8:08 AM
@Albzi yeah, something is off with your SO chat profile, on SO side, not yours. For example your chat profile is not synchronized with your main profile, see the different avatar. Ask a mod to reset your chat profile, this should fix things for you.
 
Everyone remembers Shadow
 
I stupidly tried to click that link you put in there to see my profile.
Of course it's blocked ha
 
@Unitato you don't discuss about "crickets", you wait until you hear "crickets" here ;)
 
your rep there is also "stuck" on 11k, while you have 13k now, @Albzi
 
@Albzi shedding light on @Sha, killing him
 
8:09 AM
But thank you I will get in contact with a mod :)
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ hey leave my face alone! :D
@Albzi lol! blushing
 
@Albzi half of the sites are blocked. Some kind of a browser you got there.
 
Ur so slow @Sha
 
@Unitato ...or sysadmin
 
It's not my browser lol
It's the proxy settings I think
I can access it on my phone
Because I'm not using the work proxy there
 
8:11 AM
Too slow? Says the one who took 17 minutes to respond to the ping here XD
 
That's me blushing:
 
I just went on my phone to 'update' maybe?
 
MAR just needs his daily dose of ping..
 
Thats not a blush
 
It looks updated now
 
8:12 AM
That looks you had a cyanide overdose
 
@Unitato and @M.A.R. sometimes vanish for weeks!!
 
But can't access the site still on laptop
 
I know where he vanishes tho ;) @ShadowWizard
 
@Unitato tell me! :D
 
@ShadowWizard it goes without saying that I'm so cool, I should be addressed with a plural verb
@Unitato don't think you need an overdose to be killed by cyanide
 
8:15 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ because unlike humans, they got nothing to hide! :P
 
You need an overdose to kill @ShadowWizard
 
killed by a laughter
 
lol
worst laughing can do to me is wet my pants :D
 
@ShadowWizard funny, if you think about it, their dick is on top of their head
 
I have detected @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 's presence here
This is where he sneaks away XD
 
8:16 AM
@Unitato huh, will keep that in mind!
 
Shall I?
 
While Gaurang is still curious what reason did MAR chose to close...
 
@Derpy maybe @M.A.R. want some time off, so yeah, don't hold yourself...
 
@Derpy post it, I dare ya
 
Think he means the other button. ;)
 
8:18 AM
@HTTPS um . . . Rise against the flow?
@ShadowWizard pants?
 
Later guys (and gals) gotta eat lunch.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ now that one deserves the button you thought of originally!
 
@Unitato Guys and gals would starve if they didn't
Even later ones
 
Late guys and gals don't have to eat
Unless they become vampires.
 
8:20 AM
Watches vampires movie yesterday, with my kids. :D
Why didn't you just report it? @Journeyman
 
@ShadowWizard oddly enough, I don't use smokey.
 
Why didn't you just report it? @Journeyman ಠ_ಠ
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
@JourneymanGeek you.... what?!
 
@JourneymanGeek ಠ_ಠ
 
8:22 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ
 
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8:23 AM
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@ShadowWizard I don't actually get involved in smoke detector much
It quite literally isn't how I prefer to work
 
@Derpy what... is.. that?
 
It looks like a hipster from 1980s
One with a burned face
 
@JourneymanGeek I'm also not involved "much", but still use it to report spam and flag across the network sometimes. :)
That said, I don't like the auto-flag scripts.
 
8:26 AM
You people are so conservative
 
@ShadowWizard Well, more or less
 
Even if they 99.99999999% accurate, even if it help to reduce spam time, I just prefer to not have bots flag spam.
 
Automation is the future
So is the apocalypse
 
Report spam is OK, but not do actions with actual consequence.
 
@ShadowWizard I'm convinced faster TTD is worth it
 
8:28 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ takes lots of imagination to see that, kudos!
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Turbo Tea Delivery?
 
Ur face is kudos
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ not yet, they're still flat with brown smears
hehe, you just reminded me of Jason... he would say "ur mom is kudos" :D
 
@ShadowWizard Time To Dance
 
@JasonC first mom reference! You still alive?? :D
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Dance Dance Authentication?? That's so 2017
 
@ShadowWizard sometimes we might need a little old-fashioned
 
8:42 AM
@ShadowWizard ^ assuming the formatting of the original one went wrong on your monitor because reasons.
if it already looked as the above picture, then .... you must be blind :P
 
Well, I'll add this to the "things that @Derpy says, that I'll never understand" list. It's ever growing.... :D
(unlike other things, can't Google this in any way, so it's really a dead end :))
@Derpy oh, it's a pic. Well, 100% the same as what I saw originally. No idea what it is, it looks like some random ASCII art without any shape or meaning.
 
@ShadowWizard weird. You say that you didn't notice that is an ascii version of Pinkie Pie face?
 
@Delpy
 
@Derpy ohhh... wait.... the contrast is really too bad.. but looking really hard yeah, this could be.
 
9:05 AM
@ShadowWizard ... I blame your monitor ^_^
 
oops. too big
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ugh, bad choice, I think...
 
@HTTPS knight with a sword?
Really short knight. Like a dwarf
 
@HTTPS answer
 
@Derpy no
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ yes
 
9:13 AM
@ShadowWizard nes
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ tea
 
@ShadowWizard ice
 
@HTTPS metroid
 
@Derpy zero
 
@HTTPS Ground :(
 
9:18 AM
@ShadowWizard Sky :)
 
@HTTPS Mountain top :|
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ snake
 
@ShadowWizard N900
 
@rene T-1000
 
9:30 AM
@Derpy I'll be back
 
@rene Beatles
 
@Derpy Bugs
 
@rene Hugs
 
@ShadowWizard Kisses
 
9:47 AM
@ShadowWizard Macross Missile Barrage
 
@Derpy Humongous Mecha
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: How to help a postgraduate student to write a book? by a deleted user on quantumcomputing.SE
 
!!/lastword
 
@ShadowWizard No such command 'lastword'.
 
buh useless WAG bot :D
@SmokeDetector why
 
9:58 AM
Post manually reported by user *Glorfindel* in room *Charcoal HQ*.

This post would have also been caught for: Bad keyword in title
Title - Position 1-52: How to help a postgraduate student to write a book?
 
postgraduate is now a bad word? ....
think someone is bit... overly eager with spam filters.
@SmokeDetector fpu
 
@ShadowWizard Registered question as false positive.
 
@Glorfindel how exactly is this spam or offensive??
 
@ShadowWizard Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
should be big enough, galaxy level at least :P
 
@Derpy 52.8 billion light years (tall)
 
10:04 AM
@ShadowWizard of course
@ShadowWizard @JourneymanGeek *leaven
@ShadowWizard That's a known troll.
They've been posting that question on different sites verbatim for years now.
They also troll bounties on Literature.SE.
 
@Mithrandir can't know that, account deleted by now... even so, if a post is not spam or offensive in any way, we must not flag just based on who wrote it.
 
@ShadowWizard the account deletion is part of their troll attempts. It hinders the IP block. Anyway, I'm very confident flagging that as R/A, as it's that exact same content and MO repeated for years.
There are like a dozen deleted copies of that on Literature.SE.
 
@ShadowWizard that rule has exceptions
There's no way you could assume an honest mistake
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'm not, this is probably a troll, but still... that's a matter for custom flag, not spam or offensive.
 
@Discrete you just let yourself be trolled
 
10:18 AM
Probably best course of action is network IP ban, CM can do it.
 
@ShadowWizard if he doesn't see it removed, nothing's stopping him from filling the site with it
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ suspension will. and also stop them from deleting their accounts.
 
Every other option other than RA flag will take a long time
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ not if someone notify a CM, explain, and ask for network wide suspension.
 
Mods aren't ever present on most sites, which are quiet betas.
CMs hate pings
 
10:21 AM
Not sure how it works, but maybe they can do it for deleted account as well, based on the IP or user credentials, making it to be auto-suspended the next time they create an account, anywhere in SE.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ only those with blue feet.
 
Just flag the damn thing as RA, would you
 
Grrr, I thought shadows were supposed to follow wherever you go
 
I'm a rebel Shadow!
 
10:26 AM
@ShadowWizard we have a string of questions and the same user(name) posted this plagiarized answer on a bountied question which is another indication of this troll.
 
a bounty troller, like the one on Anime.SE before
 
Or a copycat, but a troll nonetheless.
 
the comment requesting the bounty is their trademark
 
Bounty troller?
 
@Glorfindel yeah, @Mithrandir told me already, but like I said before, this better be explained to a CM who can then put network wide suspension over the troll, stopping them once and for all.
Which makes me wonder... @Shog9 can a network wide suspension be put over a deleted account, based on the IP/email it used? To block trolls like the one discussed above?
(See @M.A.R., now I risk the wrath of Shog, just to make a point :))
In case Shog appears, here is the question that started the discussion: quantumcomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/1574/…
(saving him scrolling too much ;))
@SmokeDetector k
 
10:36 AM
Tbh that answer's link has pretty elaborate details.
 
TBH it's like, classickest spam ever
 
@Unitato so are all the "skin care" spam... they can be useful to some. They're still spam. :)
 
Agree
 
@ShadowWizard useful to vandals for dissolving statues?
 
Just saying, he had the chance to post a great answer. He missed it
Can Smoke detecter be modified for per site use?
 
10:39 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no mainly to people with skin problems, which are desprate enough to try anything. :P
 
@Unitato elaborate
You could run your own Smokey instance
 
@Unitato it already is, e.g. it doesn't report SO spam here
 
Wow
 
@Unitato unclear what you're asking
 
Chemistry.SE doesnt have Smoke Detector post in The Periodic Table tho
 
10:40 AM
@Unitato not many rooms do
 
@Unitato as easy as adding a line somewhere in its code, just ask someone from Smokey's dev team to add it
(probably need others in that room to agree first)
 
@ShadowWizard I'm probably all it takes to get to agree
 
Yeah, I have been slacking in ChemSE tbh, just reviewing and answering some questions.
Havent looked at the meta aspects at all
 
The others are more like . . . Puppets
 
10:42 AM
but of course, I'm allergic to meta, and downvotes
 
downvoting @Uni posts until he sneeze
 
brings out a lead-coated blanket to block from the harmful effects of downvote allergy
wraps blanket tightly
 
10:57 AM
Thanks for a free flag tho :)
 
11:16 AM
wondering.
Once upon a time there was a thing called "flag weight".
Many legends surrounded that, but most agree on its "shadow ban" effects - reach 0 weight and you flags would be dropped without notice.
now the weight is no more.
And with it should be gone the automated effect of declined flags.
Is this really true?
I did notice that the system does indeed point out when your latest flags were declined and advise you to review them before raising a new one....
 
11:49 AM
@Derpy legends say there are mystical creatures that can ban you from flagging
 
You can still get flag banned
 
oh, I was just wondering. I was discussing my "What is NAA" recent meta post with the users in the rpg chat room.
 
@Derpy Narcotic Astronaut Angels, obviously
 
As I said there, I am still a tad unsure about the "flag it, let the mod decide" approach. Especially if it can end up with someone receiving free ban points
 
user315433
12:04 PM
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A: Allow recovery from flag hellban

Shog9Update: Kevin Montrose makes it happen The hell-ban is no more! Long live the verbose, obnoxiously evident ban! Kevin has implemented (more or less) the system described below. Flaggers with a recent (past 7 days) flagging history consisting of at least 10 handled flags where >= 10% of flags we...

 
user202362
You skin grows thick pretty quickly ... I mean, I have seen plenty of thick skinned people. But from crispy thin to elephant thick, you sir, are the first.
 
user202362
would you like to enlighten us with your skin care method(s)?
 
user315433
0
Q: Exit strategy: where would people go without Chess.SE?

prusswanJust discovered that a good SE got shutdown recently due to "poor business": http://productivity.stackexchange.com I expect it is only a matter of time before Chess.SE suffers the same fate. So, this is the place for remaining users to share their thoughts on this matter.

 
@Derpy good to see that a huge percentage also follows darknet ...
 
user315433
@READ Personal Productivity is nowhere on your list of collapsed stacks
 
@rene and weapons too
 
12:40 PM
@JourneymanGeek yeah but the ban came out of the shadows
@TelKitty why you talk to your skin?
Does it help to keep it shiny and healthy? ;)
 
user202362
meh, my skin is always durable
 
user202362
quality hide :p
 
12:51 PM
@SmokeDetector tpu-
 
4 messages moved to Chimney
 
1:14 PM
@ShadowWizard I approve!
 
I guess my face grows thick then...
 
user202362
it's not because you two are conjoined twins, is it?
 
1:31 PM
@ShadowWizard That's violet, not purple. Twily is purple.
 
1:54 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: How to lose weight faster through running by DouglasStacy on fitness.SE
 

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