Tavern on the Meta

> Nonetheless, browsers didn't disable WebRTC, and the feature is still enabled by default in all major browsers —except the Tor Browser, Edge, and Internet Explorer.

(referring to the WebRTC bug)

(So I guess that's why when I did the leak test with my VPN enabled, it tested negative for leaks, even though my VPN was listed as one of those that tested positive)

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek probably helped that I started in socvr

which is also an anomaly compared to normal chat

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch heh, SU main, SU chat, meta in that order

HTTPS

@JourneymanGeek perhaps it's because I'm not really a fast reader... so I enjoy more slower pace but still active like Tavern. I got lost when there's Town Hall Meeting...

Journeyman Geek

and a lot of my early interaction was people saying my answers were good but my spelling sucks...

OH WAIT...

Magisch

Well "started" on the main site. I just joined chat shortly after reaching 3k

Journeyman Geek

8:13 AM

NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

Magisch

Rethinking about it I didn't join chat much at all until I had 3k

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard So there is one single bug/security leak that does not affect Edge and affect other browsers... it does not compensate for the hundreds of other bug/leaks that other browsers fixed long ago and Microsoft never bothered. This is probably just pure chance, not something Microsoft did on purpose.

Sonic Wizard

The setting "Hide my local IP address over WebRTC communications" is checked by default.

@ShadowWizard The cause is different in Edge and IE. Edge hides the local IP by default, while IE doesn't support WebRTC.

Shadow Wizard

So they did on purpose... still.... doesn't compensate for the other bugs/leaks they don't bother to fix.

Sonic Wizard

IE11 added WebGL and SPDY, but for some reason those were only enabled on Windows 8.1, not Windows 7

Shadow Wizard

8:17 AM

@TelKitty your Big GIF room is going to freeze soon...

HTTPS

seems migrated to the Chicken Coop

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek Reading that there's a point to it

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Sonic Wizard

delv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308473/…

Magisch

Never questioned it until now, but answering is always at least a little uncomfortable

fear of missing something, being wrong, wasting people's time, all of that

In a way it's putting your best shot forward for all the world to judge and criticise. You know they will

Sites like SO are really a high pressure environment

Journeyman Geek

8:29 AM

Well balancing quality and newbie friendliness is hard.

Especially with high volimes of newbies

HTTPS

I guess personality also plays a role... like a certain mod (not in Tavern) using emoticon to soften the critic and suggestion...

and it worked.

Shadow Wizard

@HTTPS Grace? (Note)

HTTPS

8:47 AM

@ShadowWizard no, a German mod...

rene

I have to go afk, I'll leave this here with the message that it might get resposted on MSO. Maybe some of you can handle it when/if it arrives there. (I wanted to add this as well: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/148167)

user202362

9:08 AM

@ShadowWizard last time it stayed inactive but not frozen for 13 days

user202362

but thanks for notifying me ~_~

Shadow Wizard

@HTTPS Bart?

@TelKitty my pleasure!

HTTPS

@ShadowWizard I... never see Bart using emoticon when criticizing on main (I assumed, SO) site... I dunno >_<

Journeyman Geek

@HTTPS that's pretty essential for mods

HTTPS

@JourneymanGeek yeah, and that's why I won't be a good mod ;p

Journeyman Geek

9:18 AM

@HTTPS well, I feel there's many entirely contradictory methods of being a ~~good~~ effective mod

Shadow Wizard

@HTTPS that is because @Bart has the power of Hidden Emoticons!

;-)

Journeyman Geek

You sometimes need nice folks, sometimes you need to politely crack heads.

Derpy

9:33 AM

oh, nice, more meta reports of offensive users profile pages that will get ignored.

Journeyman Geek

hm?

Derpy

This

and the whole "we like people to be creative, profile pages aren't very visible" thing.

Journeyman Geek

Its alex tho

cough

Mr upsidedownunicornhat?

But eh, he should flag the user and it would get handled. No need for a meta post.

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek To my personal experience if the picture is on the profile page the first rule of moderation inertia will make it so most of the times your flag will actually be declined.

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy eh, depends on the site?

Maybe my site is quieter but I'm sure it would either be a quick reset and mod message or mods discussing it on SU

Derpy

9:44 AM

maybe... yet, I somehow still think that I don't need this (open at your risk, depending on your tolerance level may be nsfw, somehow chauvinist or just plain bad joke) in a profile page, yet it was keept. That's why I no longer flag profiles and / or offensive avatars - we must have very different metrics on what is acceptable on a professional site.

HTTPS

Yeah, we have this user on MSE...

Derpy

@HTTPS the subtle line between "We are grown-up users, we have the right to expect that people do not post offensive content" and "We are grown-up users, we have the right to expect that the other users don't run crying to the teacher when we post offensive content"

Derpy

10:01 AM

@HTTPS btw, out of curiosity. I assume flags about that were already raised and declined? Or you just never tried in the first place?

HTTPS

@Derpy been there, didn't try...

Derpy

? "Been there" -> you already had the same experience of declined flags before?

Sonic Wizard

Why is this review item no longer reviewable?

Journeyman Geek

10:20 AM

@Derpy there's nothing to flag tho

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek ?? Sorry, either you all are playing "confuse the pony" or I am more sleepy than usual today, but I don't get you. What should have been flagged in the first place? Are you referring to the picture I posted? Or the user HTTPS linked?

HTTPS

@Derpy the user. they don't have anything to be flagged

Derpy

again, this brings us back to the "we have different metrics so I will no longer raise flags that you will dismiss" conclusion from before. To me, using an offensive message as your user name is not acceptable - if the community is happy with that... not my windmill. Not anymore.

HTTPS

10:38 AM

@SmokeDetector flag ahoy...

user202362

I am paying for a service to violating the internet :x

user202362

maybe I will get penalized ... but I like to live dangerously

user202362

nobody gets hurt ... it's only the internet

HTTPS

@TelKitty how many followers did you buy? ;p

user202362

not followers, I don't really use social media

user202362

10:42 AM

I can't tell you what, but last time I saw some really amazing results ... before penalized

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy lets say mr rude username was in SU...

and you linked his profile on chat

I'd do something about it

Likewise if someone had a NSFW user image, it would probably be handled

I think I did it to someone with a pair of bare boobs as his ava

HTTPS

they're not meat buns?

Derpy

Wait a second - "they don't have anything to be flagged" means that you don't have a way to flag the user? Again, sorry. I assumed you meant "that user is fine, there is no need to flag".

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy exactly!

If someone brought it up on SU chat I'd go "wait you should flag... oh, nothing to flag, lemme take care of it"

Derpy

But please, understand me. Never I would expect that one would dismiss flagging an offensive user profile because there is nothing yet to flag.

since... you know... you could just flag one of your own post with a custom moderator flag and explain that they probably should remove that user in the flag custom text?

Journeyman Geek

10:49 AM

@Derpy I suppose

but but...

SU's relatively quiet

while the flag will work, the slightly more direct approach also makes sense.

Anyway

That is something I'd take a look at, and very likely act on, as a moderator on SU

Derpy

the user HTTPS linked is on MSE, not SU :P If one really wanted to, there are plenty of methods to report him - that's why I miss-interpreted your and his messages.

Journeyman Geek

I can't do anything on MSE ;p

Well, post related sure

but not full scale great maul of modhammering.

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek I somehow remember a reply along the lines of "don't mass flag offensive / spam users profiles because the have low visibility and thus not worth the work"...

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy oh, mass flag

Wasn't that Robert about the...

Several thousand spammers?

Magisch

We don't have a lot of methods to deal with profile spamming

Derpy

10:59 AM

then I do remember something about a dog ranting about a flood of spam user profiles on a site he moderates.

^ do you happen to know him by any change, @JourneymanGeek? :P

Journeyman Geek

;p