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Anonymous

12:06 AM

@TravisJ Stack Exchange's "attribution" policy has at times stretched beyond what's legally enforceable or consistent with the actual license they're using. There wouldn't be any issue mirroring it just because Stack Exchange's chosen attribution target no longer exists.

Anonymous

I've considered setting up a mirror myself at times but, you know, this network is actually really big.

Anonymous

There's enough content that it's not quite free to host.

Anonymous

So it doesn't seem worth paying for if there's no immediate need or potential users.

Anonymous

If we're going for a strictly archival solution, instead of trying to fork an active community, I'd be inclined to build something on top of IPFS.

Anonymous

Anybody could chip in towards hosting it with either hardware or money (assuming FileCoin actually takes off soon), it would be snapshottable and cachable, and accessible through the web gateway or the P2P network.

Journeyman Geek

12:13 AM

lol

its about 60gb?

Anonymous

if Stack Exchange stopped compressing their data dumps, it should eventually be possible to build as an IFPS frontend application backed by an IPFS replica of the official data dump torrents, but that's probably not a good idea for the typical case.

Anonymous

~53GB compressed. Much more if decompressed into some kind of naive structure like I was trying, since we can't serve from compressed 7Zip.

Journeyman Geek

hm

Anonymous

Not a seekable format, sadly.

Journeyman Geek

ya

and I'd guess you want it from XML to some sane database

Anonymous

12:16 AM

A lot of that data is history and metadata that you don't need. If you went through and aggregated the data you need for each page, and scrapped the rest, it might help.

Journeyman Geek

(while its tempting to go "why not save it as a shedload of static files...)

Anonymous

This all still gets back to "why bother at this point?"

Anonymous

If you're going to include deleted posts, that's a unique value proposition that could warrant existing, but requires even more work.

user315433

Because you want to look up that post on Startups or Productivity...

Anonymous

Ah. I guess "why bother" is "site is being deleted". Of course.

Journeyman Geek

12:18 AM

and there's probably other approaches to it

yup, but sites get deleted cause there's not enough interest, and if there was interest, they wouldn't be deleted, and who would be interested in a site there's no interest in? ;p

Anonymous

Mirroring all of the deleted sites is a reasonable project.

Journeyman Geek

I suspect though, its literally 90% about the tooling? then, I donno, people can mirror what they think is useful?

user202362

Just as I got bored, Trump picks up a new fight.

user202362

Trade war, recession/depression (developing news)

user315433

@JourneymanGeek Not enough interest in moderating != not enough interest in reading.

Anonymous

12:24 AM

so if we have have an archive, what do we do for the multiple versions of startups?

Anonymous

/startups and /startups-2 ?

Journeyman Geek

@JeremyBanks wouldn't it make sense to sort of concatanate the two?

Anonymous

/startups-2018

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek Maybe, but then you'd have to deal with generated new non-conflicted post and user IDs for any references, which would make it harder to fix old links.

Journeyman Geek

@JeremyBanks stick a prefix on em?

user315433

12:25 AM

Startups v1 content is available at brightjourney.com so maybe exclude it.

Journeyman Geek

But it makes sense, from a "person who is looking for information" to have em in one place

Anonymous

13k posts? This isn't too bad.

user202362

has SE thought about writing A.I. bot to close duplicate? >_<

Journeyman Geek

... ugh?

more seriously, I think someone was working on machine learning duplicate detection

Anonymous

if only it weren't in fucking XML

user315433

12:40 AM

Maybe drop unanswered questions. An unanswered question as a static page is less than useless.

Anonymous

@FTP reasonable. maybe noindexed would make sense.

Anonymous

so you can still find it if you like have the ID

Anonymous

1:38 AM

@FTP https://collapsed-stacks.github.io/startups-2014/questions/1/

Anonymous

version 0

Anonymous

doesn't even have a question index, so it can't be indexed yet, but we'll get there.

Shog9

1:59 AM

@TravisJ what?

Which one?

I think the process is to go back in time and volunteer to moderate it

Also, send me winning lotto numbers

That's not part of the process, but while you're there...

user202362

sending you winning lotto numbers before or after the draw?

user202362

difficulty can alter drastically during those few minutes

Catija

Wouldn't you need to go into the future for lotto numbers?

Journeyman Geek

2:19 AM

@Catija not if you are in the future

Catija

No... if you're in the future, you send the numbers and get someone to buy a ticket... so he should be asking for Travis to buy a ticket with the winning numbers from the superball on it.

user202362

I am willing to sell current lotto number to anyone in the past

Tim Stone

@Catija I think he meant send past-him the lotto numbers, paradoxes be damned

Catija

Ah. That makes more sense.

Though, clearly, if it were possible, it'd have already occurred and there'd be no paradox. ;)

Tim Stone

We'd presumably at least get a divergent timeline in which Shog was too busy enjoying life to spend time on Meta to get hired to be here to make the suggestion ;)

user315433

2:30 AM

I'm all for closing more sites, but some middle step between routine "call for moderators" and final "YOU ARE DEAD" notice would be nice.

user315433

Or maybe not.

Catija

How long do you want? I think there was something like a month between the two.

user315433

Yes, but one is a routine thing in the sidebar that I, as a site user, assume is being handled by someone. No sense of urgency.

user202362

can always call for moderators to moderate multiple sites, it's like invest in stock portfolio - some shares/sites will grow, while others will be dead

Catija

@TimStone Without Shog, Meta and SE probably would have ceased to exist. :P

@FTP I think there were several calls.

The thing is, if people aren't on the site and actively using it, sending them all emails to get them to come back and volunteer to moderate or just use the site... it's really just delaying the inevitable. If they wanted to use the site... they'd be doing so... and if they wanted to moderate, they'd be volunteering when they saw the opportunity.

user315433

2:38 AM

@TravisJ I think you mean Worldbuilding, poisoning whole cities doesn't seem to be in scope for Community Building

user315433

@Catija It was like on Productivity now: productivity.meta.stackexchange.com/… Post 428: Moderator Positions Open - Nominations Needed. Post 429: Personal Productivity Stack Exchange will be closing on March 6th

user315433

Yes, there is a month between posts. But if a sidebar thing isn't new, I'm probably not clicking it.

user315433

Kind of tired of Gmail sending Google-originated email to spam folder. Like Scholar Alerts coming from scholaralerts-noreply@google.com. Can't they talk to each other?

user202362

2:56 AM

Washington: In 2000, Melania Knauss, a Slovenian model dating Donald Trump, began petitioning the government for the right to live permanently in the United States under a program reserved for people with "extraordinary ability".

user202362

In March 2001, she was granted a green card in the elite EB-1 program, which was designed for renowned academic researchers, multinational business executives or those in other fields, such as Olympic athletes and Oscar-winning actors, who demonstrated "sustained national and international acclaim".

user315433

I got EB-2, but I didn't have to date Trump to get it, so I call it a win.

user202362

so did my relative

user202362

user202362

3:12 AM

Country	Total Population[2]	Total Net Migration Net Migration Per 1,000 Inhabitants 5 Year Period (2007-2012)

Australia	22,728,254	1,023,107	45.01
New Zealand	4,408,100	7,265	1.65
United States	314,102,623	5,007,887	15.94

Ano

@Catija My previous MSE account's deletion actually took place during a time when SE actually did reconstitute accounts under certain cases, and I have an example of such a reconstituted account (belonging to someone else). In 2014, when they introduced the 24-hour deletion timer, they changed their policy to not allow that.

Actually, it was changed in December 2013, one month after user215114 was deleted

user315433

Australia wins because of promotion on Stack Overflow...

user315433

> A koala wearing sunnies hanging from a palm tree on an island is a 100% accurate and dangarang representation of Sydney

user202362

so like ... US has 7 times as much immigration as Australia but less total number of rich ones

user202362

I respect US sense of equality amongst people of course ...

Travis J

3:22 AM

Or at least we did.

@Shog9 - Ugh, fine, but while I'm there I am going to need to fix several other errors as well.

@TelautonomousKitty Current administration notwithstanding...

user202362

5:06 AM

multiple people commented on my baby chicks and called them ugly :'(

HTTP

They just didn't understand the beauty of the chicken...

HTTP

5:28 AM

I just witnessed 15 comments vanishing when clicking "show more 15 comments" XD

user202362

magic

Ano

WARNING: Do not click in Edge: Revision history of a certain answer in the Formatting Sandbox

Ano

5:49 AM

@Shog9 I need your help in reproducing a bug. Can you please act as a regular mod and edit the edit summary of this revision to "This edit summary was edited by a moderator."?

Journeyman Geek

8:07 AM

(actual city of LA job ad, posted on their facebook page ;p)

Princess Luna

Lmao

user202362

@JourneymanGeek lemme guess, some part is designed by those who has a salary of $46,708 per year, some is by those who get paid $103,230 a year

Journeyman Geek

I suspect that whistling sound is the joke going over your head ;p

Travis J

8:29 AM

But those overlapping boxes though

Journeyman Geek

IS GRAPHICS!

(almost wonder if its a reference to Mondrarian, but that would be too clever)

Travis J

So I replied to that add and asked what type of graphics environment they use. I got this in response.

@JourneymanGeek Mondrian, is that the name that style? Cool, TIL :)

And the artist that inspired it, Piet Mondrian...Dutch. Bonus.

Journeyman Geek

artist actually! I didn't realise it was a style

user202362

8:47 AM

user202362

god as designer

user202362

sometimes, you are like: wtf?

user202362

here, has a look at another god's design:

user202362

Journeyman Geek

God as a software developer....

makes perfect sense?

user202362

9:45 AM

user202362

weekend's entertainment ...

HTTP

in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, Jan 18 at 13:47, by Bartek Banachewicz

python is like the lowest common denominator

like, "Lounge is like the lowest common denominator chat room in SO"?

oh, wait, wrong definition...

Wow, I think I should lurk Lounge more often to ~~find entertainment~~ improve my knowledge on ~~trolling~~ C++...

Journeyman Geek

10:03 AM

@HTTP isn't that that notorious chat room?

rene

1:16 PM

@JourneymanGeek meh, that is just what curly braces do to you ...

HTTP

1:26 PM

So, you have to curly brace yourself...

Journeyman Geek

1:54 PM

I C

user202362

{Kitty}

rene

3:39 PM

sd k

user315433

4:43 PM

> Try buying a crate of solar panels in Shenzen and shipping them to Africa.

> Buy Bitcoin. Try "BitOasis" to get started.

> Invest in a good business idea.

user315433

Such a diverse mix of options, from oddly specific to generic.

rene

7:35 PM

→ 14 messages moved to Chimney

SmokeDetector

7:51 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: What non-metal is attracted by a magnet? by user186919 on physics.SE

user315433

9:10 PM

10,000 footballs being distributed to French soldiers on the Western front- 6 months without fighting have made troops "bored & lazy".

Tweeted by RealTimeWWII on March 4, 2018 at 8:08 PM

user315433

Some meta sites are like that. If 6 months goes without fighting, people get bored and don't read meta anymore.

user315433

Uh oh. Does this mean we won't be able to use SEDE anonymously after 03-31?

user315433

Because it doesn't look like there's a lot of spare capacity for upgrades in that area.

ɥʇǝS

@FTP It just means that version of reCAPTCHA is being deprecated.

user315433

9:17 PM

Sounds like it's being shutdown, not just deprecated.

ɥʇǝS

I guess I'll take a minute to remind @TimStone again that SEDE will die at the end of the month if he doesn't update the captcha :P

@FTP Yes, that is what I meant. Sorry.

wait a sec, you mean you can bypass the captcha by logging in?! haha, I never knew that..

Never could get my SEDE account to work well.

Ano

@ɥʇǝS "all anonymous users must solve a captcha"

ɥʇǝS

@Ano yeah that's what prompted the question

user315433

It doesn't keep me logged in. I have to choose between logging in every time, and solving captcha. The latter is easier.

Ano

I guess "stop spam, read books" is now forever gone

And the original basis for the name "reCAPTCHA"

user315433

9:25 PM

Google still claims "reCAPTCHA makes positive use of this human effort by channeling the time spent solving CAPTCHAs into digitizing text, annotating images, and building machine learning datasets. This in turn helps preserve books, improve maps, and solve hard AI problems."

user315433

But I haven't seen anything that's not a road sign for a long time.

user315433

Which is unfortunate because I read a lot more than I drive.

Ano

Duplicate of something, can't find it: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307582/…

user315433

And I don't expect self-driving cars to become viable in my lifetime.

Tim Stone

@ɥʇǝS Oh wait it wasn't the beginning of this month? Fantastic!

ɥʇǝS

9:35 PM

@TimStone lol >_>

Tim Stone

I haven't set up SEDE since installing Windows 10, which is the roadblock…but I can certainly do that before then, I thought I already missed it and got demotivated >_>

I guess I'll write better setup instructions while I'm at it 🤔

user315433

Can confirm: Windows 10 is demotivating. I don't know if I'm opening the start menu or a shopping website.

user315433

(got it recently with my new office PC)

Ano

9:52 PM

@TimStone It was previously March 1, but Google extended the deadline

Tim Stone

10:08 PM

They know me so well

John Militer

10:24 PM

The tags of this room: bug crickets discussion excuses support waffles seem a bit outdated

user315433

So is the wheel of blame. So is the description, chicken stuff is mostly forgotten.

user315433

Having outdated description is a long-standing tradition of the Tavern.

user315433

Also, we'll always have crickets.

John Militer

@FTP When will the tradition about having outdated stuff be outdated?

user202362

10:48 PM

go.claim-bitcoin.info

user202362

lol

Ano

Also, what happened to Yi Jiang?

SmokeDetector

11:03 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: What are the reasons which make intron detection uncertain? by abhaynigg3r69 on biology.SE

user202362

11:21 PM

@JohnMiliter half of that are food for chickens

user202362

just need a bit grass

user202362

you can start a earthly ecosystem on Mars

John Militer

@TelautonomousKitty I'll just need about ten zillion dollars. You can pay for that, and I'll be happy to start a earthy ecosystem on mars

user202362

dollar is only a currency for human that does next to nothing for other organism on earth

user202362

for example, you can't kill all the ants or roaches in your neighbourhood even if you are super rich

user202362

11:34 PM

for the same reason, if you don't know how the mars ecosystem work, giving you all the money in the world, you will not succeed

user202362

so statement on starting an earthly ecosystem on Mars is more abstract, to bring an abstract idea into life, there might be a long long road

SmokeDetector

11:59 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body: Hash map without collision check by CodeSandwich on softwareengineering.SE

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