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12:00 AM

Oh, weird... This user has ~101 on a couple of sites... they must have deleted the account that earned them the Association Bonus? stackexchange.com/users/7430675/jimmyjimm?tab=accounts

12:15 AM

@Catija yeah, might be even on SO itself, looks like it's OP of this question.

So user deleted their account, then when creating new account with same credentials, association bonus granted.

@ShadowWizard How did you figure that out?

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Q: Association Bonus not removed upon account deletion

Recently a user asked a question on Meta asking about his deleted account (I won't draw attention to him or his question unless it is really necessary but shouldn't be hard to find - at least until the question gets deleted1 as I don't know if it is relevant to this question). However, while loo...

support user-accounts linked-accounts deleted-accounts association

@Catija found some reference in chat, closed the tab now

Ah.

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Journeyman Geek

2:02 AM

@Catija ... Yeah, they do get old quickly.

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Sensible Alexander

5:44 AM

@JourneymanGeek self-preventing joke?

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Journeyman Geek

6:02 AM

@SensibleAlexander maaaybe!

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Journeyman Geek

7:29 AM

@iDebug - ping. Someone somewhere else kinda let me know that apparently Jnat edited out his name on a MSO post so... might be a good idea/nice to nuke that comment ._.

7:49 AM

@JourneymanGeek I deleted just now.

Journeyman Geek

cheers

[cv-pls] Blatantly off-topic: meta.stackexchange.com/q/306833/350567

Journeyman Geek

lemme clean up too ^^

Sensible Alexander

Did SE remove their whole staff listing page? Because I can't see why the question really matters if it's still there

(I assume yes, after the downsizing)

Journeyman Geek

@SensibleAlexander yes

after someone compiled a list of people who were let go ._.

@iDebug heh, thew it the first one I think, or at least the second close vote

Sensible Alexander

8:02 AM

umm... I ate slightly moldy brownie :/

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Sensible Alexander

O well, probably I will be "under maintenance" today

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10:42 AM

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Journeyman Geek

10:58 AM

user image

@iDebug ^ that's an (early) swag shipment I got from SE ;p

11:38 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: iOS 10, Messages has bifurcated chat history with my wife by steve connor on apple.SE

Sensible Alexander

12:31 PM

I survived...

1:22 PM

@JourneymanGeek you're using your virtual nick name for IRL shipments?? lol :D

@SensibleAlexander survived what?

Sensible Alexander

5 hours ago, by Sensible Alexander

umm... I ate slightly moldy brownie :/

@SensibleAlexander yeah, when they fired many people

Think it was done few hours after that, when they realized 30% or so on that page were no longer relevant

@SensibleAlexander oh. But you see mold... you should also notice different smell.... so why did you eat it?? :/

Sensible Alexander

@ShadowWizard no smell at all, and the mold was just appeared

@SensibleAlexander oh.. so you saw it only after eating?

Sensible Alexander

yeah

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3:32 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Can using moisturiser make acne worse? by Jane Clarence on health.SE

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard apparently did!

3:49 PM

@JourneymanGeek What's Ash's actual name?

Journeyman Geek

@Catija Ash ;p

(and there's famous Ashes around)

I think he was an Ashley when we got him

:/

4:17 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How to reduce the output video size? by user52215 on blender.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: How to download games from pc game center? by user23251 on boardgames.SE

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6:24 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How to calculate the bitcoin tx fees? by Bitcoin Promotion on bitcoin.SE

7:00 PM

@JoeFriend Can we stop supporting IE10? It's been outdated for a while, only runs on Windows 7 and original Windows 8 (EOL since January 2016), and is itself no longer supported by Microsoft.

user315433

7:43 PM

Zypher was SF Valued Associate #2, i.e., second SRE hired.

user315433

There is a spam comment under the blog post about his hiring but... Disqus.

user315433

But I was seemingly able to "report user" (who has 6 spam comments on the blog) without an account. (?)

7:59 PM

If a feature request asking that the polyglot be restored gains traction, would you (Joe) consider putting it back?

@Ano what makes you think it's supported by SE?

@ShadowWizard "Last two versions" of IE are supported. This includes IE10 and IE11, by definition.

@Ano IMO it means Edge and IE11.

@ShadowWizard No, Edge is a separate item in the list.

We rarely get questions about it because Windows 7 users have mostly upgraded to IE11, and Windows 8 users mostly upgraded to 8.1.

Well there won't be IE12, right? IE11 is the last... so it makes no sense to support both IE10 and IE11 forever. The "last two versions" is not set in stone, that statement was made years ago when new versions were released often.

8:05 PM

@ShadowWizard Yeah, but it's an official post, so I'd rather not edit it without official confirmation from SE.

Now that IE is officially dead and replaced with something else, at some point SE should stop supporting it at all, even IE11.

@ShadowWizard IE11 is still supported as long as Windows 7 and 8.1 are, since those can't run Edge.

Edge is IE, people

Heck, Microsoft added a wholly redesigned "new tab" page to IE11 in 2017...

@JohnDvorak nah, they finally made it different. Not saying "better" though since I never bothered to really test it.

8:08 PM

Is it further from IE11 than IE7 is?

How 'bout IE1? Still? Really?

@JohnDvorak was there IE1?

checking

@JohnDvorak Its user agent attempts to fool websites designed before Edge came about into thinking it's Chrome

@ShadowWizard Yes

Doesn't everyone pretend to be everyone else these days?

@JohnDvorak Yep; IE11 removed "MSIE" from the user agent, so websites don't serve it older "compatible" code, but now that's coming back to bite it

Mozilla(like gecko; compatible, actually IE12, codename Edge but it's pretty much Blink at this point)

8:11 PM

@JohnDvorak They wiped out much of the old code, it no longer supports things like ActiveX-based plugins

That's a plus. How about web extensions? AKA, uBlock and tampermonkey?

But that's besides the point. SE should definitely stop supporting IE10.

@JohnDvorak Yes. I'm running Tampermonkey in Edge right now, in fact.

And AdBlock

(not Plus)

nice

Well it doesn't matter how they call it and how different it is, many people (myself included) stopped trusting any browser made by Microsoft long ago. I will never use it as my main browser.

when I tried to get Vivaldi to do webExtensions, I couldn't find a way

8:13 PM

"not Plus" because they actually made an IE extension for that

@ShadowWizard I only use Edge because I frequently use my touchscreen, since it's the only browser (along with Immersive IE in Windows 8/8.1) that was designed with proper touchscreen support. Otherwise, I'd use Opera or Chrome.

@Ano oh, nice

@Cai I advised the virus scan due to the 100 "Fatal Error" popups with weird message. Looks like a virua/malware to me.

@ShadowWizard I actually got such a virus some time ago, and I had to do a complete system refresh to get rid of it.

@Ano yeah, that's bad.... and glad you didn't get a "virua", that's even worse. ;)

8:32 PM

"United Nations Office of Information and Communications Technology, Enterprise Applications Centre Vienna (EAC-VN)" - I think someone just won the prize for the longest company name on Stack Overflow.

@ShadowWizard oh right lol.... that's just the image on the software recs error page

softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/error

@Cai omg... blush

:)

Well. still... OP was already logged in so quite obvious another log in would fail.

9:12 PM

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Q: Bring back the 404 polyglot

A couple days ago, the Stack Overflow 404 page was changed to no longer contain the polyglot program that had been present since at least 2009. The given reason, according to Why was the 404 page changed to not include the "program"?, was to simplify and unify the codebase across the different im...

discussion feature-request design 404-not-found

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11:23 PM

@Shog9 If the guidelines for Triage are that it should only be used if someone else can make edits to the question to improve its quality, and that the question is otherwise on-topic, why do the guidelines on the review queue itself say something different?

@Ano people get hung up on who is making the edit when they should be asking who can make the edit.

Perhaps it would be better to ask the reviewer if they can fix the post

@gparyani Yes, the meaning I think is "Requires Editing for questions where edits by any user could result in a question that is clear and answerable", specifically mentioning the author is the problem — Nick A 1 min ago

I think so, and so does this other user

> To a new reviewer, Requires Editing seems like a viable option to most of the questions asked; after all, if the OP would edit the question to make it on-topic, then that's better then saying the question is unsalvageable, right?

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Q: Change triage guidelines for "requires editing"

According to these posts: here and here (and some other posts around Meta), the following guidelines for Requires Editing in the triage section are misleading: Requires Editing for questions where edits by the author or others would result in a question that is clear and answerable Since th...

Also, see this request @Shog9, which made it into Hot Meta Posts on SO:

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Q: Triage "Requires Editing" Notification to New Reviewers

I have noticed quite a bit of very low-quality questions in the Help and Improvement review queue. Most of the blame is that triage fails to properly explain to new reviewers on the use of the Requires Editing selection. To a new reviewer, Requires Editing seems like a viable option to most...

feature-request review triage help-improvement

What do you think?

11:42 PM

0

A: Triage "Requires Editing" Notification to New Reviewers

So... We had this idea, back on about three years ago, that the Help & Improvement queue would be sort of a mentoring system for new users. Not, "hey, here's where you fix code formatting" but rather "hey, here's where you add clarity and apply some socratic method to get folks to think about th...

@Shog9 How about the next one?

pretty sure it's a duplicate but I can't be bothered to look right now

as I said in the answer I just posted, asking reviewers to estimate someone else's skill has not traditionally gone very well

heck... Asking folks to guess at their own abilities is problematic enough; had someone complaining earlier about a moderator declining their flag - asked why the moderator didn't just edit the post and mark it helpful. Well, why didn't the flagger themselves edit the post?

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