So, I was going to post something and wanted to make sure I have this right... In this blog post stackoverflow.blog/2018/02/08/… it states that all question navigation will be moved to a left side bar as shown in the pictures. Is that correct?
"How will it impact important workflows like reviewing posts or answering questions?" Am I correct to assume that this design will be for every page, and not just shown for question navigation?
@Catija The question lists still have tab navigation, including "unanswered". We also hope to bring back some of the functionality of the New Nav experiment we did for several years on SO.
You're accusing them of (in future) getting rid of the top bar and moving the multicollider into the sidebar...
> What's next, moving the entire multi-collider into the side bar in order to make the links more visible? There is quite a lot of information in the multi-collider, why can't this approach be used for features?
I don't even know how site selection would work if it were in the sidebar instead of the top bar.
I think the intention there is to make more room for the sub-headings to have more choices, rather than being stuck with all three of those in the top banner at all times.
@ShadowWizard Yeah, but I feel like a lot of the objections people had to the new top bar were nitpicky, like this here, or that there, but overall most users were okay with moving forward on some type of top bar design.
They are removing a significant amount of screen space. Before it was just a change of like 16 pixels x width on the top, while the top scroll was 0. Now it is what looks like 10% x height, constantly.
I would probably not use the site until I designed a different face as an extension for the navigation if this happens. It would almost make sense to design an entire website just for navigating Stack Overflow instead of dealing with this type of change.
@ShadowWizard Yeah... I think that, right now, everything is in flux... and even between now and rollout dates, they're going to keep sharing with us updates so that we can see how things look.
@TravisJ I'm willing to admit that, as someone with a lot of interest in Channels who has no usage of SO at all, I share your SO integration concerns.
If there's going to be a hamburger menu in the upper right for mobile/tablet views... I wonder that it wouldn't be possible to integrate that for all versions of the site.
@bluefeet is there a section missing from the blog? The third bullet point seems to mention smaller screens... is that only referring to tablets and mobile devices, not computers with small screens?
> What about people using smaller screen sizes? Adding a vertical left navigation increases the page width, and how will we support people across a range of screen sizes and devices?
@bluefeet Is there any sort of indication whether the base website width for full site view is changing? Are they sticking with the current ~1k px width or increasing to allow for the new sidebar?
@Catija You'd have to ask a question about it on MSE. I'm not enough in the know to be able to answer that and if you have the question I'm sure others might.
I always view it as discussion for when an answer would be expected with ideas or responses and there isn't always a "correct" answer so to speak, support for when an answer would be expected with a solution to the question, and there is a "correct" answer for the most part, bug and FR seem a little more straightforward.
@Shog9 Why don't this and this show up in each other's Linked sections, despite the latter linking to the former? The link was in the original post, removed later, but reinstated due to a rollback. I then edited it to a longer form, but it still didn't add it.
@JoeFriend If the goal is to unify the design across the different implementations of SE, why not just put the program in the unified version of the 404 page?
@Ano Basic reason is that it isn't relevant or understandable for non-technical sites. Currently the SE sites don't use the new error pages, but ultimately we will need to unify things there too. There are a ton of moving parts right now and we are working hard to get them all in place.
@Ano Final details are still being worked out. If we support the custom pages in the future we need to do so in a way that is scalable and easy to maintain.
Joe Friend should get 200 rep on Project Management or something, to save metaSO folks the cognitive dissonance of having to listen to someone with 1 rep point.
@TravisJ It isn't one single thing. We are working toward greater unification across the board. Every little bit of forking that's done causes friction in the system and slows down work and flow of new stuff to the network sites. That's the impetus.
@Ano Hey, I'm good now. Now MSO folks just have to listen to someone with 101 rep.
What about the ability to use different technologies to solve problems or implement features at Stack Overflow (the company)? Is that also being removed in favor a single environment (.net)?
There was a blog post (trying to find it) about integrating technologies at Stack Overflow, and how developers were allowed to use technologies outside of the .net stack so long as they had usable endpoints - such as using GO in some cases, f# in others. I am having issues finding the post at the moment. That was what I meant though, is it only going to be c# going forward that is used in development?
Which isn't to say that new stuff can't be added to it if there's a reason, but ultimately it became more about keeping build machines more maintainable, not having to train people up on a ton of different tech or betting on tech that may or may not be proven yet
C# has been the primary environment since day 1. The SRE team primarily uses Go. There's a lot of R on the data science side.
We don't mix other languages (as far as I know) into the Q&A platform backend itself though
@JoeFriend Monica's mentioning that I'm off in my page width measurement... I've always understood that it's around 1k px, and that's what I put in my question but she seems to think it's bigger... can you clarify? You didn't say that my width count was wrong, so I'm curious.
It is exactly 1075 at present. Less than that is scrollbar, more is no scrollbar. Not sure where the 1300 number came from. It is certainly possible to have a 1300px wide document body while viewing Stack Overflow, but anything above 1075 will be horizontally scroll-less for now.
You can see that through the css declaration on body (and in other places), min-width: 1075px;.
@AdamLear would you be willing to check in on the lock timers on answers? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/131455/… Is this really still the case? I locked an answer on IPS and I don't think I changed the time away from the default 1 hour but I never saw a coundown on it and it's still locked over an hour later...
@Shog9 You tweaked something in the background; I refreshed before posting that message and it still didn't show it. Or is it just caching? If so, why was it so eager to remove the link, but so lazy to add it?
Probably not even intended to be a mod tool as such; in the early days when there were only a few mods, Jeff tended to just add anything that wasn't super-dangerous to admin tools instead of making things dev-only
IE11 is a big deal because many enterprises are slow to upgrade. One of the banes of my existence when I worked at MSFT was supporting really old versions of IE.
@ShadowWizard Banks can be a real shit show when it comes to upgrading tech. And yet they often spend the most money on tech of any industry. Been to lots of fintech offices in NYC and London.
@JoeFriend well banks in Israel spend their money on one thing in recent years: moving to digital banking, i.e. making everything via website or app. And they close their actual branches one after the other. Good for young people, bad for older people.
@Lix where have you been hiding all those years?? :D
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