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3:13 PM

mangler?

and ya, it is

Figured I would ask here before I make a meta post: I can't seem to add a bounty to my post in skeptics.SE using IE 11. I can get the first pop-up asking to choose an amount of points, but then clicking NEXT does nothing. Is this a known issue?

Journeyman Geek

@BradC I think support for IE is kinda...

BradC

Guess I can try from my iPhone, see if it works in Safari.

Journeyman Geek

safari is supposedly even more problematic ._.

BradC

@JourneymanGeek Really? So... Chrome?

Journeyman Geek

3:19 PM

chrome is a safe bet?

I might suggest bug reporting for IE anyway, since 11 has been the last supported version a while

BradC

is meta.stackexchange the right place for bug reports?

(that I would assume are not site-specific?)

Journeyman Geek

its the right place in this case IMO

BradC

@JourneymanGeek Thanks

Shadow Wizard

@alexolut she is not alone:

@BradC yes there's even internet-explorer tag.

But try a real browser like Chrome or Firefox, would surely be less buggy.

Sensible Alexander

3:35 PM

Nothing beats Lynx the browser though...

Shadow Wizard

"Lynx the Browser"... sounds like "Garfield the Cat"... ;)

BradC

posted: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306723/…

Shadow Wizard

@BradC cheers! Does IE11 have some error console? Can you check for client side errors?

Looks like it has

Most likely there's client side error there, IE does not follow standards, so when not using jQuery for something.... it usually breaks.

BradC

@ShadowWizard I've never used it, let me bang around and see if it shows anything relevant

Shadow Wizard

90% sure it will.

BradC

3:43 PM

1 warning, not sure if its relevant or not:

"DOM7011: The code on this page disabled back and forward caching. For more information, see: (url) "

No errors, though

Shadow Wizard

hmm...

sad for being wrong

BradC

Debugger tab allows me to set watches and breakpoints, but I'm not going to dig that deep. I'm a DBA, not a web dev

Shadow Wizard

:)

Sensible Alexander

Testing on Chrome, the browser called an AJAX request to show the bounty pop-up, but after that until posting the bounty, there's no network call. So I assume either the JS or CSS got broken somewhere

But I certainly could be wrong because I'm not a web dev either!

Hmm... is the browser accessibility (or whatever that feature on IE) on?

BradC

Nope, compatibility mode is off

Sensible Alexander

3:47 PM

Wild guess, but can you try with it enabled?

Shadow Wizard

@BradC well I can reproduce with a bit older version of IE, on Windows 7. @rene what about you? Can you start a bounty using IE?

Sensible Alexander

Nevermind the compatibility mode, I'm an idiot

BradC

No problem. Let me just go set a bounty on my question to bring some more attention.... wait...

Shadow Wizard

@SensibleAlexander no you're just an idot. (following senior manger from before... ;))

Sensible Alexander

:D

Shadow Wizard

3:53 PM

I bet this is due to using a fancy CSS rule:

IE11 should support it, but being IE... it's probably broken.

Sensible Alexander

wow, you can substract 353px from 50%...

Shadow Wizard

Modern browsers can...

Saves the developer few lines of JS code.

BradC

@ShadowWizard What object is that an element of, though? And even if it was calculated wrong, why would it break the Next button?

rene

@ShadowWizard checking ...

Shadow Wizard

@BradC the bounty pop up. But noticed now it's also there for the first step, so not sure it's really the cause. Let's hope a developer will take a look soon.

Maybe if the content is changing, it breaks the dynamic position in IE.

pokes @rene to check faster

waving ice cream in front of @rene to make him work faster

!!/icecream

SmokeDetector

4:00 PM

@ShadowWizard No such command 'icecream'.

Shadow Wizard

:(

!!/' foo

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard No such command ''.

Shadow Wizard

no ice cream for @rene!

rene

@ShadowWizard cancel also doesn't work in IE11, close does work

Sensible Alexander

4:20 PM

(that's why debugging code in chat is not a good idea)

$("#start-bounty-popup a.cancel").click(function () {
    $('#start-bounty-popup .popup-close a').click();
});

"Next" and "cancel" uses JS, but not close (X)... so...

Sensible Alexander

4:33 PM

"I wonder if the softwareengineering site is a suitable place to ask soft questions…"

and supposedly hardwareengineering site for hard questions...

BradC

@SensibleAlexander But I'm asking how you feel about that bug...

Shadow Wizard

@SensibleAlexander yes it does, must use JS to close something.

Probably the binding is different though.

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Sensible Alexander

4:49 PM

@ShadowWizard could be... this is the JS that is added after clicking "start bounty" link... but I couldn't find when popup-close is set...

rene

@SensibleAlexander in the stub.js

Sensible Alexander

oh. weird.

rene

yeah, it is weird.

SmokeDetector

5:07 PM

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rene

@SensibleAlexander that javascript doesn't seem to be executed once it gets loaded into the DOM.

Catija

Thanks a lot, Catija. (How do you pronounce the J in your userid?) I don't think the site I was thinking of is ready to graduate yet, but I was giving some thought today to how we get from Point A to Point B and I wanted to understand the rules better. // "A few sites, recently, have had problems finding users willing to stand up to moderate." About this -- we have two wonderful, relatively recently added moderators. We also have two that were appointed many years ago who are rarely active nowadays. I see several very active participants ... — aparente001 3 mins ago

So, apparently my username confuses everyone and I should just be ashamed and give up on it.

user315433

5:22 PM

Name shaming. :(

user315433

My RL name is impossible not only to pronounce, but also to spell correctly. At least one typo is required (it doesn't have to be the same one).

Catija

HAHA

Yeah, my husband's middle name is "misspelled" from the traditional spelling of what's otherwise a common name.

Tim Post

5:36 PM

@Catija "Not sure, that's my best attempt to spell out the sound the last person asking about my name made when I thumped them with a cast iron skillet"

3

Catija

@TimPost I'm stealing that.

rene

@SensibleAlexander got some more details: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306723/…

user315433

Easier to deal with marketing calls, though. "Sorry, nobody whose name is pronounced that way lives here".

Catija

@if.... That's awesome, actually. :D

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5:52 PM

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BradC

@SmokeDetector That.... was an interesting non-answer.

Ano

@alexolut "Manger" is French for "eat".

user315433

6:47 PM

Great, now there will be more meta posts about moderator aboose

SmokeDetector

7:13 PM

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Nog Shine

How to correct a typo in the tag or wrongly created tag?

@SmokeDetector Nice profile pic!

user315433

@NogShine Remove wrong tag from any questions that have it. Add correct tags as needed.

user315433

Tags without questions are deleted in 24 hours.

Nog Shine

@if.... The correction is making it plural to singular and system is not allowing it.

Should I wait for one more day?

user315433

7:29 PM

I guess that might work.

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7:41 PM

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8:51 PM

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9:45 PM

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user315433

10:19 PM

Aug 1 '17 at 21:43, by Travis J

What if SO (this would work with other exchanges on the network as well) partnered with Amazon to show an advertisement for a book on Amazon with every question, where the book was the first result of tags.Join(" ") + title? This may have a decent amount of throughput.

user315433

Tavern is ahead of the curve: Affiliate Ads Are Coming To The Network

user315433

> If a site has less than 15k (average) daily visits, or fewer than roughly 50k combined total posts

user315433

Apparently visits are not countable, the way posts are.

user315433

Total posts (Q+A)? Strange measure. Questions translate to the number of content-filled pages that ads could go to. The additional ad room provided by N questions vs N answers isn't the same.

user315433

Also annoying because the /sites list doesn't have total posts.

Shog9

10:25 PM

Should be floor(A/30) to account for additional pages of answers

user315433

The value of placing an ad on the 2nd page of answers is comparable to putting it in a tag wiki or something else that nobody ever sees.

user315433

Proposed tag synonym page.

Shog9

naw, no ads on tag wikis

new money-making idea:
1. Index tag wikis
2. put ads on tag wikis

user315433

Isn't it all about in-game purchases these days?

user315433

"You've reached your question limit... buy another question for $$"

Shog9

10:31 PM

that was the whole problem with ExpertsExchange's business model: you're asking people for money who don't control the budget

the folks who had money in the budget for things like books and training and website memberships were the folks answering the questions

user315433

Okay, can I buy some additional delete votes then?

Adam Lear

@if.... Loot boxes. Give us $10 and you might get any number of things... will it be the right to ask another question? or read an answer? The possibilities are endless!

Anonymous

Took the Pluralsight JavaScript test.

Anonymous

Some of their answers are wrong. Several of the others are only relevant if you're following terrible practices.

Anonymous

Filed feedback with them.

Anonymous

10:44 PM

Their "correct" answer for "how do you do prototypical inheritance" hasn't been the recommend approach for more then five years.

Anonymous

I'd also nitpick their use of the term "IQ" for a measure that follows a roughly-linear distribution, instead of a roughly-Gaussian one.

Adam Lear

I keep confusing Pluralsight with whatever that other test/cert website was back in the day... braintree? something like that.

Catija

Anonymous

I mean I'm still trying to get a nice score to put on my profile. :P

Anonymous

Maybe this will result in them getting enough feedback from Stack users to improve their outdated questionnaire.

Catija

10:50 PM

That was probably the entire reasoning in the first place... free test editing.

Anonymous

Stack integrates their results, and they implement a stack-like suggested edits system, how about?

Catija

Assuming they have a way to restrict edits to users with sufficient rep to prevent vandalization.

Anonymous

Users on their sites have scores, and most of the time they're linked to paid subscriptions. That's a potential basis for a privileged system.

Catija

Seems reasonable. :D

I do hear that there are a few different "standards" when it comes to programming... do these tests allow for that or do they not query that sort of thing?

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

Anonymous

A few of the questions are about terminology specific to, like, standards that were widely used 8 years ago and forgotten now.

Anonymous

10:57 PM

More of them are questions where JavaScript has added much better ways of doing things in the last 8 years, but they don't have those as available answers, so someone who learned JavaScript more recently won't know them (because they don't need to).

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11:13 PM

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Anonymous

I just got a Lenovo Yoga convertible laptop/tablet for work.

Anonymous

I was thinking it would be obnoxious to have the keys on the bottom when it's in tablet mode, but when you flip it back the keys automatically retract into the keyboard!

Anonymous

I guess this is probably standard now, but I've never used one of these and I thought that was very slick.

Rob

11:38 PM

@JeremyBanks I've got one of the older ones (Yoga13). The keys didn't retract - annoying for sure

Though at least, the keys are disabled while in tablet mode

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