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12:57 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: New cat is hiding and not eating by Kristin on pets.SE

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Any thoughts on my last ping? Do you remember what the upper bound was on pins from the chicken posts?

Journeyman Geek

No idea!

Catija

I'm guessing it's 10-12. but I'm not sure.

user202362

1:12 AM

2018 is the year of global stock and property price correction?

Catija

Well, 2008 was... so why not 2018... :/

user202362

1:33 AM

when feeling wobbly, always start checking fundamentals to make further prediction

Sensible Alexander

2:02 AM

wobbly morning

Ano

2:47 AM

I mod-flagged one of Apex Capstone's (that downvote ranter's) posts requesting that he be suspended, owing to the more lenient quality filter on MSE.

Sensible Alexander

uhh, did he breach any rule?

Journeyman Geek

@SensibleAlexander most recent answer was kinda ... koan-like

Catija

Journeyman Geek

-3

A: Could this new voting system work?

Of course it would work. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize the answer is more important than the question. Here is a real question. If a chicken and a half can lay an egg and a half in a day and a half - how long would it take a grasshopper with a wooden leg to kick all the see...

Sensible Alexander

oh, he still continued after the dupe about "penalize unjustified downvote" post? okay...

Catija

2:57 AM

As a mod, I find that I prefer when people avoid outright saying "can you please suspend this person?" in flags...

@Catija Not much on the reputation leagues works right now... but that does. :P

Ano

@Catija It worked once, on a user who kept saying "I'm new here" to justify five posts that showed he had no idea how the SE model worked, and was clearly making no effort to understand.

Catija

@Ano I'm not saying it won't "work"... I'm just not a fan of it.

Sensible Alexander

@JourneymanGeek woah, the whole Q&A gone just before I read it...

Ano

@Catija On main Q&A sites the filter kicks in quicker, obviating the need for such a flag in almost all cases. However, on MSE, the filter is much more lenient, owing to the fact that posts can get downvoted for reasons unrelated to their quality.

user202362

Ano

3:03 AM

That user I mentioned just before had made five posts, all questions, that were very negatively received, and all had scores <= -8. However, he was still not banned; if he was, he wouldn't have been suspended, and my flag may have been declined.

Sensible Alexander

@TelautonomousKitty you have a new challenger. work harder, kitty...

Ano

Speaking of which, if my proposal of having separate votes for agreement/disagreement and high/low quality were to somehow be implemented (at this point not, because there is no request), the quality filter could be the same as on other sites, without needing this extra leniency.

Catija

@Ano The point is that you're telling them how to judge a user... telling them how to do their job. There's a huge difference between saying "This user's last few posts show a history of negative interaction with the site" and saying "Please suspend this person".

Ano

@Catija Yeah, I get it. But in this case and the more recent one, I use the word "should", as in "this user should be suspended, because..."

user202362

@SensibleAlexander I don't need to, that account will be annulated soon ... either that or temporarily suspended for 20 years, maybe not right now, but eventually, unless lose interesting in between changing socks

Sensible Alexander

3:09 AM

but... you... have... been... Q...ba<redacted>

user202362

have never seen a comment troll?

Sensible Alexander

not the first, or even 10th time I've seen it

user202362

being a 1337 tr011 is never about quantity, it's all about delivery quality contents to the audience

Ano

0

Q: Does the StackExchange serve any useful purpose?

If someone can give me an answer to this question it would be a great help. It is my very last question. If by some miracle the Stack Exchange Meta vanished off the planet. All of the records, all the database, everything GONE. Would there be any negative repercussions. It just seems like there...

discussion

Sensible Alexander

deleted? self-deleted? mod-deleted?

Ano

3:17 AM

@SensibleAlexander Does self-deletion cause all custom flags on the post to be dismissed? If not, it's a mod-deletion.

Catija

animuson.

user202362

stalked by a staff probably

Sensible Alexander

probably given mod warning

Rob

@Ano Custom flags stick around until a mod handles it

Ano

@Rob Ah, thanks.

user202362

3:20 AM

wonder it's a new troll or a sock

Sensible Alexander

suspended.

user202362

I somewhat smell a sock

Sensible Alexander

interestingly "for rule violation", not "to cool down"

Rob

Cool down to me, implies, that they're angry and abusive

Trolling isn't that

Ano

Apex Capstone, Canada

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discussion down-votes etiquette policy politics protected-questions support

Suspended.

Shog9

3:21 AM

Amusingly, he was rate-limited after the last deletion anyway

But this sends a stronger message

Ano

17 mins ago, by Ano

Speaking of which, if my proposal of having separate votes for agreement/disagreement and high/low quality were to somehow be implemented (at this point not, because there is no request), the quality filter could be the same as on other sites, without needing this extra leniency.

@Shog9 ^^ Is that true?

Shog9

only if people used it juuuust right

I mean... There's a lotta posts on meta I'd probably give both types of votes

Catija

People don't use the system we have now right... I don't see how making it more complicated would do much.

Ano

@Shog9 Yeah, my proposal would allow for both types of votes.

@Catija In what way?

Shog9

3:37 AM

@Ano so the folks who get downvoted 'cause they didn't search / didn't read past discussions / didn't suggest work-arounds for the problems that've been called out the last 20 times something was suggested... And suggest a perpetually unpopular idea... They're just gonna get blocked twice as fast.

which was the whole point of making the ban hard to hit on meta to begin with

Ano

@Shog9 Agreement/disagreement votes wouldn't affect ranking, reputation, or quality filtering in any way, while the existing votes would be repurposed as the high/low quality votes (their current use on main Q&A sites)

Shog9

wasn't like folks ever hit it in great numbers

@Ano my point is, you want folks to avoid downvoting (or... low-quality voting) stuff they disagree with. But often as not, they're not just downvoting 'cause something is a bad idea - they're downvoting 'cause it's also poorly presented and unresearched.

Ano

@Shog9 Yeah, they can vote down both ways.

Well-researched questions that happen to suggest unpopular ideas are downvoted under the current system. Under my system, it would receive a normal upvote for being of high quality and research effort, and a disagreement vote.

Journeyman Geek

aww

Rob

@Ano While I see where you're coming from; having an artificial barrier of entry for new ideas or a new way of thinking of things isn't fantastic. However, if someone is continually suggesting ideas which are not received well; and also not contributing positively elsewhere, I don't see why they shouldn't rate limited

It somewhats indicates a complete misunderstanding of the SE network

Shog9

3:42 AM

@Ano point to one

Rob

And for trolls, like what happened just now. I don't see why the current flagging system isn't enough?

Ano

Then, there would be no need to make the quality filter more lenient - users who make not-so-well-researched feature requests, or bad-quality support, bug, or discussion questions, would be caught and filtered much quicker.

Catija

That's still predicated on making users actually use the system correctly.

Ano

@Rob Because it requires a mod to intervene.

Catija

@Ano Shog just said that the guy was already rate limited.

Ano

3:46 AM

@Catija He promptly continued to make bad posts after his rate limit expired.

Shog9

and?

Ano

Which necessitated a suspension, both in this case and the earlier case

Rob

@Ano Asking rubbish questions like that isn't really an urgent event that can't wait for 30minutes for a mod to intervene. And if they're stepping into abusive territory; there's a flag for that that can be handled by the community.

Shog9

the suspension wasn't really necessary, apart from wanting to hammer home the point here

Ano

@Rob On weekdays. But on weekends, when mods are inactive?

Shog9

3:47 AM

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A: Get rid of the question ban on Meta; suspend actively harmful users manually

First off, an explanation of the two status tags: Declined: We won't remove the q-ban entirely. See below. Completed: We already suspend actively harmful users manually, and will continue to do so. In addition, we've modified the score threshold for q-bans (again) based on a fresh analysis of t...

> People will frequently complain that Meta actively discourages the expression of unpopular viewpoints and suggestions. With the threat of question bans in place, I find those complaints difficult to refute. I hate that.

that's why the ban is extra-lax on meta

Not because folks posted awesome stuff and got banned

Because folks posted lousy but benign stuff and got banned

Ano

@Shog9 An unpopular but well-written suggestion would be upvoted under my system.

Catija

People need to be able to make mistakes here.

Shog9

@Ano doubtful

Sufficiently well-written stuff becomes popular, even when folks disagree with it

But writing well is hard. Unbelievably hard.

We can't expect everyone to write well

Ano

@Shog9 If we repurpose the existing votes as being for quality only, as they are for main Q&A sites, and introduce a new, separate set of votes for opinion, wouldn't that be the case?

Catija

@Ano If people don't like a post, they'll push the down arrow every chance they get, regardless of what the "rule" for the button is. They already do this. We can't control how people vote. There may be more people who use the system the way that it's designed... but I doubt it would be anywhere near complete.

Shog9

3:51 AM

I should also add that I think this was downvoted for hilarity and not because the community thinks it is a bad idea. I am all for hilarity but not when it prevents discussion of a semi-important policy change. — Jeff Atwood Mar 18 '10 at 0:54

Ano

@Catija That's not what I would do.

Sensible Alexander

@Catija inb4 "penalize unjustified downvotes!!!!11!oneone"

Shog9

No one wants to believe their work is poorly-received because it's both a bad idea and badly argued.

Catija

@Ano It's a fallacy to assume that you are representative of everyone.

Shog9

But... Usually it is. Both.

Ano

3:52 AM

@Catija Ah, right, missed that. I said that myself, and I forgot it.

@Catija TBH the only reason I do that now is because I've been trained to do so, not because it's my first inkling.

Also see:

Voting behavior on meta and inclusivity

Jan 18 at 23:44, 56 minutes total – 105 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jan 19 at 0:41 by Ano

Catija

I actually upvoted what (I think) was that user's first MSE question... meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306616/… Because it was a fair question, I thought.

Shog9

Sturgeon's law

== English == === Proper noun === Sturgeon's law The humorous remark, attributed to science-fiction author Theodore Sturgeon, that "ninety percent of everything is crap". ==== Synonyms ==== Sturgeon's revelation ==== Translations... ====

wow, that got mangled. Nice job, onebox

Sensible Alexander

@Catija this is the first question though

Catija

@SensibleAlexander ... Of the recent ones... that was two years ago.

Sensible Alexander

fair point, because the last post before he went rampage was an accepted answer with score 10(!)

Shog9

3:56 AM

Crazy thing is, for all the talk about negativity and exclusivity, folks are - by and large - willing to give you a break on an awful lot of terrible mistakes and outright laziness in your writing and research.

(ask me how I know...)

Ano

@Shog9 How you know?

Shog9

UNTIL, that is, you couple that with an unpopular / overexposed idea.

@Ano you don't write thousands of meta posts and, uh, not cut a lot of corners. Well, maybe you do, but I don't.

Anyway, then the charity goes away; you get knocked for the bad idea, you get knocked for the poor research, and you get knocked for the lazy writing.

To do well on meta, you need to be two of three things, always:

- entertaining
- insightful
- demonstrably right

1 probably doesn't cut it. 0 definitely doesn't cut it. 3 is... just unlikely.

Catija

1 is sufficient to not get downvotes.

Shog9

sometimes

Catija

... probably.

Sensible Alexander

4:00 AM

117

Q: Eeeeek - what happened to my @ salutation?

I just posted a comment beginning with @username, and my @username part of the comment disappeared (it was the first word in the comment). Is there a lolcat inside the Stack Exchange database nomming on notifications? May I suggest you feed it? P.S. I'm guessing this is a brand spanking new f...

discussion comments notifications

Shog9

it's a crap-shoot

if you're entertaining, some folks will upvote that & some folks will downvote it for being pointless fun

Catija

Lots of bug reports just get one or two upvotes.

They're usually just right, not insightful or entertaining.

Shog9

if you're right but boring and tone-deaf, folks will upvote you if you're right about something they need, but downvote you for being boring and insensitive

Sensible Alexander

entertaining bug report?

Shog9

if you're insightful but also apparently wrong and boring, you'll likely get a ton of downvotes until someone else proves you right

Ano

4:01 AM

Gosh, Meta would be a lot simpler if everyone refrained from applying subjective feelings and only applied objective thought in general here

Shog9

yeah, that's not how groups of people work

Ano

@Shog9 You asked for an example a while ago, here's one:

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A: Duplicates on meta sites - sum the votes

I support this. Take, for example, this feature request. By itself, it looks like a very old, outdated request from 2012 that may have since been implemented. As such, many people, including Stack Exchange employees, may overlook it. However, if you check the Linked section at the right, a secti...

Journeyman Geek

hah

Catija

> So, when we meet a duplicate on meta, it actually means that somebody else who didn't find the original post agrees and supports the same question and that whoever upvoted / downvoted the duplicated question, also agrees/disagrees with original post.

Journeyman Geek

I try to aim for 1.

Shog9

4:03 AM

@Ano yeah, I read that. It's boring, and demonstrably wrong

Catija

Or it means they forgot or that they still think it's a good idea...

Ano

@Shog9 How is it wrong?

Journeyman Geek

@Ano its worth remembering that while meta is a tool pressganged into a use that QA was never meant to do, meta only features are never happening.

(almost never?)

Ano

@JourneymanGeek Um, the more lenient quality filter happened?

Journeyman Geek

@Ano that's twiddling numbers.

Shog9

4:04 AM

> The general attitude of the community, as evidenced by these two cases, is to always close the newer report or request as a duplicate of the older one.

Catija

@Ano Nothing prevents votes on two posts being from the same person?

Shog9

2 cases is a terribly small sample size

plus, you don't need to extrapolate from two cases; you can actually query the data

Journeyman Geek

I also suspect we're at the point where adjusting core site mechanics is not going to be an option sans a brilliant arguement.

Shog9

dup-closure is one of those rare opportunities where public data contains info on even deleted questions

Sensible Alexander

brb before I implode

Ano

4:05 AM

@Shog9 In one of those two cases, I mod-flagged requesting that the dupes be switched, and the flag was declined saying that "just because this one contains more info and screenshots doesn't mean the dupes should be switched".

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Even then... :/

Journeyman Geek

intrapolates @SensibleAlexander

Rob

@Ano That's more of a community job

Journeyman Geek

@Catija maybe!

Shog9

so you didn't research thoroughly, made a statement that can be demonstrated incorrect by finding only two examples of closures that go the other direction, and... Weren't sufficiently entertaining to compensate for those

Catija

4:07 AM

@Rob It's easier if you can find a couple of gold badge people, though :P

Journeyman Geek

If only there was a bunch of those sitting around in a chatroom...

Ano

Yeah, a few people have Chaos Emeralds here.

Shog9

awww, yeaaaah!

5

Journeyman Geek

(that said, I sometimes feel people are too quick to dupe close but...)

@Shog9 about damned time. ;p

Ano

@Shog9 Nice job defeating Eggman

Catija

4:08 AM

@Shog9 Finally.

Ano

@Shog9 Is that what this comment meant?

It may work in the examples you posted, but that isn't typical, I often vote differently on duplicates and the fact that something is closed as a duplicate is way off from meaning it deserves the same vote. Many many many "bad" question get closed as duplicates of "good" questions. — Cai Jan 18 at 12:22

Shog9

no idea; you'd have to ask Cai

Ano

Fun fact: early in my previous incarnation, I made a few posts like that, and while they were closed as dupes, it actually resulted in the feature being implemented. I began taking advantage of that and posting intentional duplicates.

Catija

Only person with that gold tag badge. :D

Journeyman Geek

not sure that's fun.

and it barely counts as a fact.

they could have been status deferred

Catija

4:13 AM

It's sort of sad that you can't track tag badge process...

Ano

I also mentioned that answer here:

2

A: How do I get attention for old, unfixed bug reports and feature requests without official responses here on Meta?

There are a few different things you can do, which depend on whether the original request is a bug report or a feature request, and whether it's your own question or someone else's. If it's someone else's question, one thing you should definitely do is upvote it. Vote scores on such questions in...

> Your question will definitely be closed as a duplicate of the older request, even though it's phrased better or contains more info. (I personally disagree with this practice, but right now, it exists.) There exists an unpopular feature request to consolidate votes for duplicates of bugs and feature requests, which I support, but is unlikely to get implemented.

Sensible Alexander

@Shog9 would be better if it read "You've got status-declined" :)

Rob

@Catija What do you mean? You can

Catija

@Rob They aren't in the badge tracker picker?

Ano

@Catija It's on the left, you can choose to either track a tag badge or track a permission

Sensible Alexander

4:16 AM

@Catija there's a small cog beside "next privilege" text

Rob

Ano

"gear" for you Americans

Catija

... "you"? Because we don't know what Cogs are?

@SensibleAlexander Gotcha.

Ano

@Catija Southern Californian heritage...

Just as we say "you guys" we say "you Americans"

Catija

Last I checked, California is part of the US.

Ano

4:18 AM

@Catija Never heard of regional dialect?

The American South is part of the US too.

Catija

... still not following.

Ano

A San Diegan would say "hey you guys" while a Texan would say "howdy y'all"

Plus we, like, litter the word "like" in, like, every sentence.

Catija

But you didn't say "Hey, you guys" ... you said "you Americans" as if you are not one. "y'all" still means "you all"... it's a completely different usage of speech.

Ano

Can we not talk about that right now?

Catija

If I were to say what you did, I'd say "'Gear' for us Americans"... Because I am an American.

Ano

4:22 AM

1 min ago, by Ano

Can we not talk about that right now?

Catija

... I'm really lost.

Journeyman Geek

Why not? You keep bringing it up ;p

Rob

If you want to be really pedantic.. a cog isn't a gear. Cogs are the teeth ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Rob this is SE. We're nothing if not pedantic.

Ano

Stephen Fry Kinetic Typography - Language

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Catija

4:26 AM

I'm guessing that in most cases, "cog" is short for "cogwheel" which is the same thing as a gear...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: In what significant ways would the Prophet that was to come be similar to Moses? Deut 18:15 by bruce h. on hermeneutics.SE

Shog9

ah, what the future might have been...

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 apparently someone did a reboot as a comic. As with everything these days... its dark and gritty.

Shog9

and on that note, my button-pushing finger needs a break, so off to supper

Catija

@Shog9 Enjoy!

Sensible Alexander

4:29 AM

@Shog9 Stack Exchange clicker game? Anyway, bon appetit :)

Rob

@Catija Sure, hence the pedantic disclaimer :)

Ano

@JourneymanGeek Why did you reject this edit? meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/56301

Journeyman Geek

> This edit deviates from the original intent of the post. Even edits that must make drastic changes should strive to preserve the goals of the post's owner.

more critically - I'm a bit protective of the phrasing I use

Ano

4:49 AM

@JourneymanGeek Can you please explain exactly what was wrong, and what was right (if anything)?

Journeyman Geek

@Ano more or less, you added things to my post I didn't intend. It wasn't an improvement. It is quite literally what it says on the tin.

Ano

@JourneymanGeek I also rearranged the paragraphs so it's not so jumpy

Journeyman Geek

eh. I take somewhat of an issue with that.

and I chose issue over question for a reason

Sensible Alexander

as an editor, learn to copyedit, not to put words into people's mouth.

Ano

5:05 AM

@JourneymanGeek Can you at the very least fix the apostrophe?

Journeyman Geek

maybe? which one?

Ano

5:29 AM

@JourneymanGeek "clearly mention how its different"

Jenna Sloan

6:44 AM

@Ano I just got the notification for that ping

Ano

@JennaSloan Really?

Jenna Sloan

@Ano yup

I think the meta chat is drunk

Rouge the Bat

@JennaSloan It is too :p

Journeyman Geek

notifications are drunk

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body: Virtue theme Css require by Haroon.Ahmad on wordpress.SE

Sensible Alexander

6:53 AM

drunk the notification

user315433

drunks are notified

user202362

today is the day during which nothing works

user202362

drone ... not working, PC update ... not working

user202362

pip on raspberry ... not working

Journeyman Geek

oddly enough, my PC booted up first time today for the first time in a week

I have no clue what was wrong with it

user202362

7:03 AM

how to fail @ life

Sensible Alexander

@TelautonomousKitty you have worked out your life to pass this day, you just succeed @ life

@JourneymanGeek need more SuperUserz aura

user202362

an app that has 0 download can be alive on a store, but fails at life

SmokeDetector

8:41 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How can I find out the token balance of some address? by Heriba on ethereum.SE

Ano

9:10 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306685/…

Shadow Wizard

@Ano I agree with @Journeyman on this, it was "too much". It is one thing to improve/fix grammar or syntax, but to totally re-arrange an answer based on personal taste isn't good. Hard to draw the line, but that one was over that line. Personally, I don't think you should try changing the order of things, fixing the small things is usually just enough. :)

There are exceptions of course, e.g. faq answers, where it's more important to have them organized and with specific format.

But personal answers should be personal, leaving the author intention unchanged.

@TelautonomousKitty wrong. You posted here, so something must have worked. ;)

You visited @YvetteColomb again, @Tel? :)

Ano

@ShadowWizard That question already has two duplicates, so I thought it's a good idea to edit it. Take a look at it - it talks about identical questions, then different questions, then is suddenly about identical questions again. Much better to have them separated. I was tripped up by this, and the answer was initially hard for me to understand. I suspected others whose questions are closed as dupes of mine would face a similar issue.

Shadow Wizard

@JennaSloan screenshot?

Ano

@ShadowWizard That ping might take a long time to reach too.

Shadow Wizard

@Ano lol

Ano

9:24 AM

How do you feel, now that I'm actually called Ano?

Shadow Wizard

@Ano no idea what you mean, sorry. My reply was about you changing Journeyman's answer, that's it. :)

@Ano Happy. That's your real identity. ;)

Ano

@ShadowWizard What don't you understand about it?

Shadow Wizard

Like I'm just Shadow Wizard. :D

Ano

@ShadowWizard I'm still Sonic underneath, and you're still @Shadow

Shadow Wizard

@Ano how is it related? What question? How is it relevant that it has duplicates? Your change to the answer was too radical, I didn't even read the question (when reading the edit suggestion), it's not relevant.

@Ano that's true

Ano

9:29 AM

@ShadowWizard I just moved one paragraph from the middle to the end, changed some phrases, and added a missing apostrophe to "it's". It may look like a more major edit than that, because the system makes the moved paragraph look like a big deletion and addition, but if you actually read the text that was removed and added, it's almost exactly the same.

user202362

@ShadowWizard not yet, but will in the next few days

Shadow Wizard

@Ano well, I would have rejected such edit since I don't have 10 minutes to spare to look so carefully into this, just up to 1 minute to review. And the author of the answer clearly says it did change the meaning, and he knows best since it's his own answer. While SE focus is on good content, changing order of paragraphs and changing phrases is not improving quality that much.

@TelautonomousKitty good!

You got new boots?

Ano

@JourneymanGeek Did you reject simply because you thought it was more drastic than it actually was, because the system makes moving paragraphs look like big deletions and additions, or was there something else specific that was wrong with it?

Shadow Wizard

@Tel you must also be happy that I have a kitty as my avatar now, right? :D

user202362

I was surprised :p

Ano

9:34 AM

@ShadowWizard Is it true that the best way to determine why an edit was rejected is to ping the rejecters in chat, like I edited as the Anonymous Editor?

Shadow Wizard

@TelautonomousKitty yeah, first time I use such thing for avatar. ;)

@Ano he said it quite clearly....

5 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

@Ano more or less, you added things to my post I didn't intend. It wasn't an improvement. It is quite literally what it says on the tin.

You added things he never said, that's enough to reject an edit.

Ano

@JourneymanGeek What things? Can you please explain exactly?

@ShadowWizard You're always Shadow the Hedgehog in my book

Shadow Wizard

@Ano only in the rare case when you're familiar with the one rejecting in chat and know for sure they're OK with such pinging.

If it's someone you don't know, better not do that.

Derpy

^ basically, this means that he considers you a "faker", an "impostor" and a "recolor", @Shadow

Shadow Wizard

?

@Ano interesting book! Can I get a copy? ;)

Journeyman Geek

9:38 AM

@Ano it changed structure - which matters to me. It didn't need the TLDR and swapped around some of the phrasing I intentionally used

Derpy

I found you, faker! - Sonic Adventure 2: Battle PC

►

Ano

@JourneymanGeek Okay, what phrasing did you intentionally use? I found the answer hard to read at first:

Journeyman Geek

@Ano erm, the ones you swapped around.

Ano

17 mins ago, by Ano

@ShadowWizard That question already has two duplicates, so I thought it's a good idea to edit it. Take a look at it - it talks about identical questions, then different questions, then is suddenly about identical questions again. Much better to have them separated. I was tripped up by this, and the answer was initially hard for me to understand. I suspected others whose questions are closed as dupes of mine would face a similar issue.

@JourneymanGeek So if I submit a version of the edit that does the same things, but leaves that paragraph in the same spot, you would approve it?

Journeyman Geek

eh, I tend to look at those things at a case by case basis. But I'd rather people leave my phrasing alone in suggested edits. If you can do your own edits, and make it awesomer its cool.

Ano

9:43 AM

@JourneymanGeek I can't quite tell from your response if it's a yes or a no.

Shadow Wizard

word added to dictionary: awesomer

Journeyman Geek

Not everything is binary

Ano

@JourneymanGeek I don't want to incur another rejected edit, so if you could tell me in advance if you'd reject such an edit, that would be nice. Or, if you won't do anything and just let the community handle it.

Journeyman Geek

that's totally not how it works.

You're basically telling me "I need to know how you will respond to an edit"

Ano

@JourneymanGeek I'm telling you exactly how the edit is like. Same as before, but with the paragraph ordering intact.

> I disagree with the reasons why my edit was rejected. What can I do?

> When rejecting an edit, reviewers commonly specify a canned reason from a list, so it may not be immediately clear why a certain reason pertains to your edit. The best way to obtain further clarification about why your edit was rejected is to ask the users who rejected it in the site's chat. Do not simply suggest the edit again, or it will likely be rejected again.

> If your edit was to address a legitimate policy concern (e.g. removing a signature, removing irrelevant tags, etc.), flag the post for moderator attenti…

@Shadow meta.stackexchange.com/questions/76251/…

(obviously the last paragraph doesn't apply here)

@ShadowWizard Is that first paragraph correct?

@Derpy You dig up really old footage of me to prove your point? Really?

Shadow Wizard

9:52 AM

@Ano @Derpy will do anything to prove their point.

@Ano yes, but like I said, better not just go and ping people you don't know at all.

Journeyman Geek

10:17 AM

@Ano on the other hand, whether an edit is accepted is always the prerogative of the op.

and I'm feeling like you're trying to pressure me into saying "these are the exact situations where I'll accept an edit" - which is clearly not how it works. And I don't even look at who edited my posts.

Ano

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, that's why they implemented the ability for the OP to override edit reviews. Let me put it another way: if my edit described above were to be approved by the community, would you override it?

Journeyman Geek

@Ano yes

Ano

@JourneymanGeek No, I just want to know if my edit described here would be approved by you:

32 mins ago, by Ano

@JourneymanGeek I'm telling you exactly how the edit is like. Same as before, but with the paragraph ordering intact.

Journeyman Geek

see I'm saying "I'm going to decide based on an edit's merits as I see it on the spot"

Ano

If, as you said, the reason for your rejecting that edit was because I changed the paragraph order, and I suggest the same edit but not do that, you'd approve it now that that reason doesn't exist.

Journeyman Geek

10:20 AM

I've accepted massive edits with fairly major changes cause they've made my answers better. I've gone "ok" over trivial ones.

user310756

@ShadowWizard yep we're good friends offline now :D she's a ~~wonderful person~~ hardass (don't want to ruin your troll rep) @TelautonomousKitty :D

Journeyman Geek

But if you're going to be making a big fuss over every time I reject an edit like this....

Ano

@JourneymanGeek Quite frankly, I don't see how it's a big fuss. I just asked a few questions, and didn't get direct answers, so I directly asked for direct answers.

I meant exactly what I said when I asked those questions.

user310756

@TelautonomousKitty gonna miss this girl she was so cute today - it was so sad, when I left, she followed me up the gate and came through and followed me to the car! (I was parked outside the paddock) I gave her a cuddle and she made the sweetest noises. She's going to be so lonely :'(

SmokeDetector

10:42 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, blacklisted user: How to use PWA in Magento2 by Hải Tạ on magento.SE

Derpy

10:56 AM

@YvetteColomb that's just a mini t-rex

Shadow Wizard

11:37 AM

@iDebug what did you just test? Why not in sandbox?

We can edit deleted posts if that's what you tested.

huh? While this one didn't really post awesome things, what rules have they broken?

Or is this "wasting our time on purpose by trolling"?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard yes

Shadow Wizard

oh so it's all good

Has that "Apex" user trolled before? Using different name?

Sensible Alexander

@ShadowWizard dunno, don't think so...

Shadow Wizard

hmm

Sensible Alexander

at least I couldn't recall it

Shadow Wizard

11:47 AM

Probably better use "Low quality contributions" suspension reason then... oh well.

Sensible Alexander

9 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

@SensibleAlexander most recent answer was kinda ... koan-like

well, if it's true, then I guess it's considered trolling... koan-like

Ano

@ShadowWizard I believe the template mods use when sending the mod message that comes with the suspension also dictates the public suspension reason. Whoever suspended that guy probably thought the template attached to the "rule violations" public reason was a better fit, and so the public reason is shown as "rule violations".

@Shog9 Please confirm if the above is correct; I read it somewhere but I can't find it.

rene

He doesn't know either but he will find out by experiment. You'll personally notice the outcome ...

@ShadowWizard you're involved here, kind of...

Ano

12:03 PM

@rene Ha!

user202362

@YvetteColomb how did your assessment go?

Shadow Wizard

@rene yeah... I didn't lose any rep though.

OP got bounty rep back though.

rene

no, that is strange, the refund shouldn't have happened though, me thinks

Shadow Wizard

Why didn't you answer the the qustion?

@rene why not?

rene

he spend it?

got two answers

what happens if he undeletes?

Shadow Wizard

12:10 PM

@rene so? When downvoting answer you also "spend" 1 rep, which is refunded when the answer is deleted.

rene

Then the 1000 rep is subtracted once more?

Shadow Wizard

Bounty is the same, it's just a vote, with more rep.

@rene exactly.

Happened to me once on Movies.SE, made me look into it quite deeply.

rene

Okay.

@ShadowWizard you might want to elaborate that in your answer. It is a bit terse to fully grasp it now

user202362

Hi Yeara,

Your Search Ads Basic results for January 2018:

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user202362

apple sent someone else's email to me

Shadow Wizard

12:12 PM

@Ano well that was animuson, I noticed the suspension because I saw he deleted one of the answers which was on my question.

@TelautonomousKitty more likely spammer sent it.

Check email source/headers.

Yeara is Israli name, lol

user202362

Subject:   	View your last month's results.
From:   	"Apple Search Ads" <noreply@apple.com>

Shadow Wizard

So? Anyone can easily fake this.

user202362

Received: from nwk-txn-msbadger0702.apple.com (nwk-txn-msbadger0702.apple.com [17.151.1.81])
     (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
     (No client certificate requested)
     by telkitty.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0223514A05E1
     for <yizhang@telkitty.com.au>; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 04:48:31 -0600 (CST)

Shadow Wizard

oh

Ano

@rene Bounties are always refunded to the bountier if the question is deleted. What likely happened in that case is that the answers to which the bounties were awarded had a score of 3 or more, and were visible for at least 60 days, so any rep changes from those answers are kept.

Shadow Wizard

12:15 PM

So maybe that יערה gave Apple false info @Tel

@Ano indeed

Want to post another answer, explaining this?

My answer will solve the direct question, yours will just elaborate.

Journeyman Geek

@Ano I don't think it's automatic.

Ano

@JourneymanGeek No, it is.

user310756

@TelautonomousKitty I'm finished! Free! Yay!!

user310756

I'm going to lie down and binge watch some netflix :)

user202362

@YvetteColomb yay!

user202362

12:26 PM

can come & visit you Thursday afternoon/evening

Ano

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