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Moshe

2:08 AM

Aaand, yeah....

George Marian

2:31 AM

Oooh, shiny.

Moshe

Breaking news: Former client figures out how to add a marquee to her homepage.

Lulz

mootinator

3:35 AM

"Can we add a Flash intro page to our site, I'm worried our clients might be able to find the information they're looking for too easily."

Tim Stone

o_o

Did you respond with "I dunno, can I break your kneecaps?"

mootinator

@TimStone Not a real quote

Tim Stone

Ah, whew. I see now.

mootinator

3:51 AM

Whew.

George Marian

4:52 AM

Man, I really need to get around to installing Trac and learning how to use it.

Tim Stone

I really need to go back in time and prevent whoever came up with this design document template from doing so.

George Marian

LOL

Tim Stone

It comes with a guidance document, but the guidance document basically says the same things for all sections, heh.

George Marian

Nice.

I think my favorite documentation WTF had to do with product managers always including a boilerplate "must meet SLA" requirement, without knowing anything about the SLA.

Tim Stone

Hahah

George Marian

4:59 AM

Just because I'm a developer doesn't mean that I know these things. Not to mention, that they were in a better position to get that information.

That said, I knew that five 9's was ridiculous. That was a good laugh.

Tim Stone

Yeah, no kidding. I feel a bit in the same boat, heh.

I wish I knew what I was doing, meh.

George Marian

Heh, maybe that has to do with the fact that your document needs a document to explain it. :)

Tim Stone

Could be. I'm willing to admit that I'm just horribly inexperienced in this area as well.

George Marian

Well, designing the solution is the hardest part. Documenting it is the annoying part.

What's giving you trouble? Putting it to words or wrestling with the template?

Tim Stone

I'm just not sure what I'm expected to put in this section.

George Marian

5:11 AM

Ah. What's the section called?

Tim Stone

It's the API section under System Design. I imagine I'm supposed to do something more than link to javadocs, heh.

George Marian

Heh. Probably.

I'd expect that to detail the API. I.e. function signatures, et al.

Tim Stone

The guidance document just says "Application Program Interface - An application programming interface (API) is a source code interface to support requests for services made by the computer program. An API specifies details of how two independent computer programs interact." as if I didn't know that bit already.

George Marian

lol

Beyond function signatures, of course, describe them. :)

Depending on the complexity, it could also be useful to provide guidance for using the API. I.e. a high level view to point people in the right direction.

Tim Stone

Hmm

George Marian

5:24 AM

Can the API be looked at in sections, based on usage?

Tim Stone

Well, it's a web service...but I guess I'm supposed to describe the APIs of the components it interacts with as well.

George Marian

Hmm. I would expect to see that in the document, but I don't know if I would want it in the API section. I think that the API section for the design you are documenting should be about its API.

Tim Stone

Hm

George Marian

I would expect something like that in a section about dependencies or what it interacts with.

Tim Stone

This document doesn't have a section for that.

George Marian

5:30 AM

Hmm. Well, what are the sections? heh

:661287 Well, it could be worse. :)

Tim Stone

Short of not having one, I'm not sure about that (for more than just this reason, of course...but yeah)

Under the System Design section, Requirements, Database Design, Data Conversion, API, UI Design, Performance.

George Marian

Ok. Now, what were you expecting to say about the other component's APIs?

Tim Stone

How to use them, I guess.

George Marian

Well, that belongs in the design documents for those components.

Although, this is probably a good time to determine what you mean by components.

Tim Stone

Basically this web service acts as a thin bridge between a workflow and a component that I wrote outside of the scope of this project that's been mandated as a requirement to use by the people who awarded this project. Hopefully I'm being vague enough that I don't get myself into any trouble :P

George Marian

5:39 AM

heh

So, is that component documented?

Tim Stone

I've recently uploaded the javadoc to the web, but it's an open source project, so it definitely doesn't have this mundane documentation. Actually like most open source projects the documentation is a bit lacking, but uh...hahah.

George Marian

lol

Maybe you're feeling guilt for not documenting it then. ;)

Tim Stone

Well I think I'm mostly just extremely overstressed and worried that I'm going to be berated for doing the wrong thing, but possibly that too. ;)

George Marian

If it's a thin interface to the component, aren't you basically documenting the component's API. :)

Tim Stone

It goes something like Workflow -> WebService.doStuff(params) -> (make some Component API objects) -> Component.doStuff(apiStuff) -> Workflow.notify() (somehow)

George Marian

5:49 AM

Does it basically mirror and expose the component's API?

Tim Stone

Hm, hard to say.

Sathya

morning

Tim Stone

G'morning

@GeorgeMarian Basically the workflow calls a single method on the web service which calls a single method on the component that does all the work.

George Marian

Ha!

Then it should be fine to document that method in this design document.

Tim Stone

Seems reasonable to me, thanks.

George Marian

6:03 AM

Anytime.

balpha

6:31 AM

@Sathya Would you again?

Jun 15 at 16:35, by balpha

@Sathya would you compare download speeds for http://sstatic.stackexchange.netdna-cdn.com/js/full.js and http://sstatic2.stackexchange.netdna-cdn.com/js/full.js for me?

Sathya

sure.

sstatic: 188ms latency, 670ms total. sstatic2 196ms latency 696ms total. @balpha

balpha

is that going through your london proxy again?

Sathya

yes,

//note to self: test at home.

balpha

that'd be great; thanks so far

Sathya

you're welcome!

George Marian

6:56 AM

What an odd feeling. I think that I have managed to do everything I intended to do today. And, with minutes to spare. ;)

Tim Stone

My to-do list continues to grow. I think I'm doing something wrong.

George Marian

7:27 AM

Heh. I have plenty left on my to-do list. (Hence the comment earlier about installing Trac.)

Manjot

It is raining Outside :)

Octavian Damiean

7:44 AM

Morning

Manjot

Good Morning Octavian :)

Octavian Damiean

Goddamn skateboarding ... I wonder why on earth I thought it is a good idea to start with it again after over five years of inactivity.

Manjot

How are you?

Octavian Damiean

Kinda ok.

Shoulder hurts

Manjot

Why? What happen?

Hi Tombull89 :)

Octavian Damiean

7:47 AM

I fell on my hand.

Manjot

What is the meaning of 89?

Octavian Damiean

probably his year of birth

Oh! Is it okay now?

hello!

I was thinking so :)

7:48 AM

And, yes, it's my year of birth.

Octavian Damiean

Nope, it happened yesterday and it still hurts :)

Manjot

How did it happen?

tombullock.co.uk

back soon, apologies for any inconvenience.

downloads folder and devsite still online

tombull89

yeah...I'll be working on that over the summer.

Manjot

Ok :)

I am feeling like someone is stroking hammer on my head.

Octavian Damiean

@Manjot Due to a failed fakey late shove-it

Manjot

7:52 AM

We don't have place to do fakey here :(

Octavian Damiean

You mean a place to skate?

Manjot

Even don't have time also

Snow-boarding

Skating

If I'll go there then people say this is not an age to do skating :(

Octavian Damiean

Ignore them.

If you feel like it you can do it.

Manjot

Hmm,I want to do.

@OctavianDamiean You do skating regularly?

Its being decade I did.

Octavian Damiean

I did half a decade ago.

for almost a decade (I love that word)

Manjot

8:05 AM

I used to do when I was in 10th standard

Its almost more 10 yrs

Andrea Ambu

10:06 AM

Can I legally use a snippet from a StackOverflow answer in my project?

tombull89

@AndreaAmbu as long as you attribute the poster and post, I'm fairly sure you're OK.

Sathya

11

Q: Using code posted on StackOverflow

I was wondering what kind of restrictions there are, if any, for code posted on StackOverflow? In other words, I'm hoping StackOverflow has a clause that makes any posted code completely free of restrictions for reuse? (Both questions and answers).

M'vy

> user contributions licensed under cc-wiki

Do we have a StackExchage site for Role Playing?

tombull89

rpg.stackexchange.com

(in Beta)

M'vy

Yep thx

can still be useful

I've been on the site before I guess :P

balpha

10:35 AM

cheers @TimStone

0

A: Weird repost of last picture in chat

This is a very ugly Chrome bug that causes the IFRAME that is the target for the image upload to immediately re-POST the previous request when it's added to the DOM. I couldn't reliably reproduce it, until I found this very probably related Chrome bug report (it might also be related to these tw...

Raynos

Am I the only person who finds it weird how the android SO.chat community has 10 rooms

That may be a slight exaggeration but they have at least 6 active rooms

Tim Stone

@balpha Ah, brilliant. Unfortunate that it required such an ugly hack, but at least there won't be 5000 duplicate images uploaded to imgur any more. :)

Also, I'll be damned that I never realized those were the repro steps...hahah.

badp's sockpuppet

Yi Jiang

0

Q: display image instead of text for hyperlink

How can i display an image instead of a text for a hyperlink? Please see my example, here you can see the text "x" and the background image. I want to show only the background image for the hyperlink. http://jsfiddle.net/8rfyT/

html css hyperlink

Mediocre question generating some very mediocre answers /sigh

badp's sockpuppet

so if using a mobile phone in public is rude, and you're suggested to 'please use it at home'

what's the point of a mobile phone?

Tim Stone

10:48 AM

Well, there's always texting.

@YiJiang At least it hasn't attracted a wave of up-votes.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone 10 mins. Just you wait...

Andrea Ambu

tombuil89: I'm not publishing it, I want to use the code on my project... where should I mention that?

tombull89

@AndreaAmbu (btw you spelt my username wrong)

In a comment, somewhere along the top, I would think.

43 mins ago, by Sathya

11

Q: Using code posted on StackOverflow

I was wondering what kind of restrictions there are, if any, for code posted on StackOverflow? In other words, I'm hoping StackOverflow has a clause that makes any posted code completely free of restrictions for reuse? (Both questions and answers).

discussion policy licensing

Yi Jiang

11:03 AM

296

Q: Printing 1 to 1000 without loop or conditionals

Task: Print numbers from 1 to 1000 without using any loop or conditional statements. Don't just write the printf() or cout statement 1000 times. How would you do that using C or C++?

c++ c interview-questions printf

This question has gathered 3 close votes. Would it be a better idea for a mod to lock and add the 'significant historical question' warning instead of closing it?

Manjot

11:14 AM

Have any one work with youtube integration(video upload)?

Manjot

11:30 AM

Hi Moshe,How are you?

@Moshe Do you know how to upload an recorded video in iPhone on youtube through app?

Hi @Reno, How are you?

Moshe

@Manjot Sorry, never done it. Does Youtube have an API?

If they do, their documentation might explain how to do so.

@Manjot Try this link

@Manjot Also, try the the Youtube developer website. Looks like you'll need an API key from them.

M'vy

12:14 PM

Hu... anyone having problem on meta ?

I can't see question when clicking "question" button?

Just blank page with pages numbers...

Works when clicking on meta icon thought

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions

tombull89

eh oh

M'vy

same

Yi Jiang

@Mvy Did @balpha accidentally the entire questions page?

Yes he did, yes he did...

badp's sockpuppet

the unanswered tab still works.

M'vy

Time for a "Eeeek, where did my question page go?"

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tombull89

12:16 PM

also liez

:D

All are broken now

1

A: Sorting questions by votes is broken

The pattern repeats every 1000 questions, so after 2000, 3000, ... yes, no prizes for guessing the block size that some of our caching (for this screen) works at ;p Good spot, thanks. I think this should now be fixed everywhere.

tombull89

all hope is gone....the <center> cannot hold :(

M'vy

12:17 PM

update in progress?

Tim Stone

Marc's in trouble now ;)

tombull89

looks like Jeff needs to beat more people.

Sathya

MOAR WHIPS!

tombull89

Jun 24 at 5:05, by Jeff Atwood

sysadmins are being beaten as I type

Sathya

s/sysadmin/devs

badp's sockpuppet

12:21 PM

So long as they aren't poked with sharp sticks.

Tim Stone

@badpssockpuppet The threat of bleeding out is a great motivator, I'm sure.

badp's sockpuppet

@TimStone It was mentioned in the "now hiring" page. "You will never be poked with sharp sticks."

Dunno if it's still there.

oh there it is - stackexchange.com/about/hiring

> employees will never be poked with a sharp stick

tombull89

ha! what about a blunt one?

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Sathya

.... and it's back

M'vy

meta's back!

Moshe

12:30 PM

Almost at 8K...

Which, in the grand scheme of things is just another K on the way to 10.

(Which is just another K on the way to 11...)

Fosco

All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.

Moshe

@Fosco Says the man who recently hit 10K himself. :-D

decided to have the graphic designer work on an icon instead of a textured UI

Fosco

:D Yeah I just walked in, saw what you were saying, and made a Pink Floyd reference.

Moshe

which might have been a mistake

@Fosco Ah, I didn't get it, but I see it now. Looks like a lyric.

Actually, just realized that I gotta get to synagogue. Be back in a bit.

Moshe

1:43 PM

Back, anyone still here?

Fosco

Yeah, lol.. no one said a word while you were gone.

Moshe

Hehe

Manjot

Me here :)

Moshe

@Manjot - Did my links help you?

@Fosco - I have an appointment in 2 hours at the Apple Store. I suppose I should back up my source code now, but I want to spend the next hour coding. What to do?

Fosco

@Moshe What's up with the game you were working on?

Manjot

1:47 PM

@Moshe I am reading

There is some developer key required

Basically,I want to upload an recorded video from iPhone

like person is recording and after recording get an option to email or upload to youtube

Moshe

@Fosco It's my summer project which I'm doing with my friend. For me the summer hasn't officially started yet. Also, my uncle wanted that app, although it seems he doesn't need it, I'm going to try and finish that up. It's nearly done.

tombull89

Isn't there already an iPhone app to upload to YouTube?

Moshe

@Manjot I understand that. Like I said, I haven't done that before, but I'd really recommend going through that site. I'm sure it answers at least most of your questions.

@tombull89 Perhaps he wants that to be a feature in his app, not the whole app.

@Fosco But yea, still working on it.

Fosco

@tombull89 I thought that was built-in functionality, but I could be way off... it's built-in for most android versions.

@Moshe Ah.. cool.. well, you know what still doesn't exist? A mobile StackExchange client that can ask/answer.

Moshe

@Fosco Don't forget, Google == Android && Google == YouTube, it's be evil for them not to bake integration in.

Manjot

1:51 PM

@Moshe Have you work with Blackberry app development

Moshe

@Fosco You want me to scrape SE? Because as of now, that's the only way to do it.

Manjot

It is very difficult man :(

Moshe

Actually, @JeffAtwood, if you and @Spolsky are interested, I'm looking for a job, since I'm starting college in September. I'd love to work with you guys on an iOS client. (Thanks @Fosco for the idea.)

:-D

Fosco

@Moshe I'm just throwing it out there... amazed that it hasn't been done / isn't easily possible.

There's a nice client on Android, but you can't actually log in or do anything but view.

Moshe

@Fosco The API is read only and nobody has had the patience to scrape the site.

Fosco

1:53 PM

I could definitely scrape the site.. maybe I should give it a shot. I'm not sure scrape is the right word for it..

Manjot

I did it on iPhone's safari

It works fine

Moshe

@Fosco Well, yea, you basically need to use the regular HMTL pages as an API, instead of a proper API.

That's why I wanted to work on a mobile userscript browser - So I could just skin the site to be awesome in Safari.

@Fosco - Found it:

api.stackoverflow.com/1.1/usage

Read the first line:

> ... read-only ...

Fosco

I realize that :)

Moshe

I know, just pointing out the reference.

Fosco

I would take a hybrid approach... using the API for reading, and posting to the normal pages.

Moshe

1:56 PM

Agreed.

But, Fosco stop giving me ideas, I have a "personal project" to-do list already.

Fosco

@Moshe Lol you asked me what you should do!

Moshe

Oh, good point.

Hehe, ok.

@Fosco, let's try again:

Given the following choices, what should I do now? I have an appointment in 2 hours at the Apple Store.

a) Back up my data

b) work on iCanteen

c) work on Gabbai

d) work on Fahrii

e) Work on an SO app

tombull89

f) ...take a break? :P

Moshe

@tombull89 zing! Here's a star for you.

tombull89

\o/ three starred comments in the sidebar at the same time.

Moshe

2:00 PM

@tombull89 four :P (kidding)

Oh, wait, just remembered. I was working on an API as well. (Part of c)

Fosco

@Moshe do A first, please... then B.

then A again. :)

Moshe

lol

Is putting my code on a USB drive a bad idea, if it all fits?

Fosco

Not at all.. just make more than one copy (regardless of what you put it on, more copies = more safer)

Moshe

pokes @tombull89 with a blunt stick to see if it hurts. (In the name of science of course.) Does it, @tombull89?

tombull89

@Moshe oi! course it does, I'm not an SE employee.

but if you're doing it For Science, then I can't blame you.

Moshe

2:08 PM

@tombull89 Well, in that case... reaches for the sharp stick before reconsidering

@Fosco - Do you have your iPad handy?

The real Steve is older than 43 and has a lot more bling.

And Apple does follow the 80% rule, suppose that's accurate enough.

(Satisfy 80% of your customer base.)

Fosco

@Moshe Nope, it's home, I'm at work.

Moshe

Ok, @Fosco, I'll TestfFight iCanteen, just want to get some outside hands on it. You can "feed back" later.

Note that there's no icon yet.

ok, sounds good..

Thank you.

hello

2:16 PM

@Moshe hhehe I hope he has the iOS badge and Objective C

Manjot

@tarrasch Hi,How are yo?

tarrasch

:)

i just wanted to ask :can i reopen a question with a bounty of mine, that timed out with a higher bounty ?

the question expired with the bounty not going to anyone, because there were no usable answers

i want to reask the question, this time with a higher bounty, because i think its something thats of use to not just me

thanks for the nice welcome btw :)

Fosco

Maybe you should ask it as a new question...

tarrasch

wont it be closed down as a double?

Trufa

18

Q: Should SO introduce a Re-Bounty feature

I recently created a bounty for a question on Stack Overflow The bounty deadline came and went without a suitable answer (IMO). Because I wasn't happy with any of the answers I didn't accept any. Thus the bounty was awarded to the top answer. I have no problem with the community awarding the bo...

feature-request status-completed reputation bounty

Is that what you want?

tarrasch

2:19 PM

yeah i read that

Fosco

You could delete the old question, since it resulted in no usable answers.

tarrasch

ths this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/6385292/…

it has 7 upvotes

so i cant delete it

Trufa

@tarrasch I think you just have to wait.

tarrasch

but it doesnt give me an option to reset a bounty

wait for a new answer?

its already up for a week

Trufa

@tarrasch but the latest bounty ended 20 hs ago

I think you have to way maybe two days again

tarrasch

2:21 PM

ah ok

thats ok then

i feel like this is of importance to not just me

thanks for the advice

Manjot

Anyone has knowledge of Blackberry app development?

Moshe

2:35 PM

Can anyone repro Area 51 being down for maintenance?

@Manjot No. I read in a BlackBerry development book at a local bookstore that RIM charges $200 per year for up to 10 apps. That was enough to convince me to put the book back. It also made me realize that Apple isn't so expensive after all.

Fosco

Blackberry is a joke... the platform that only exists for the 'Enterprise'. A bullshit brand propped up by unfounded corporate, not consumer, interests.

2

jcolebrand

comforting thought of the morning:

> Remember... the the heat index is measured under shady conditions... and direct exposure to sunlight can increase the heat index as much as 15 degrees.

tombull89

@Moshe OK for me.

Fosco

Never realized that, @jcolebrand. Thx.

jcolebrand

me either. Looking at the heat advisory in my area on wunderground, and finding out that it's going to be ~100 on the HI scale ... holy effing .. eff

> Today is forecast to be Warmer than yesterday.

Sathya

2:45 PM

@balpha sstatic: 318ms Latency, 672ms total sstatic2: 390ms latency, 990ms total

(mornin' @Jco)

balpha

hrmph

jcolebrand

@Sathya believe it's t'evening for you eh?

balpha

thanks

Sathya

@jcolebrand well, into the night. ~ 8:20pm

@balpha np. the numbers are as expected or something's off ?

tombull89

A wild balpha appeared!

balpha

2:47 PM

sstatic2 is the cdn with the hong kong node (supposedly) activate -- so in theory it should look a lot better for you

Sathya

what was that link where it you show which node I was hitting/

69.174.57.102

says Amsterdam, @Balph

Trufa

@tarrasch np! :)

balpha

@Sathya should be 67.201.31.240 I think, but that seems to not tell you where it's at

(just a 404)

Sathya

Jun 15 at 16:44, by balpha

@Sathya is http://69.174.57.102/ Amsterdam or LA for you?

tombull89

Hey @balpha, seeing as you're here and chat is your baby, are there plans to offer SEChat as a stand-alone product? Or are there any Open-Source clones?

balpha

2:51 PM

none that I know of (to both questions)

tombull89

@balpha ok, thanks anyway.

Moshe

@tombull89 Got any iOS devices?

tombull89

@Moshe nope :P

whys that?

Fosco

@tombull89 & @balpha It is definitely the best web-based chat system ever created, hands down.

tombull89

Indeed. That's why I asked, I'm after something to replace our featureless VLE chat room.

(just in case you weren't sure about featureless)

Fosco

3:00 PM

lol.

Moshe

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Q: Sample UITableViewCell Icons/Thumbnails Download.

I am looking for a Thumbnail / icon to place it on the left of my UITableViewCells. I will be adding a custom UITableViewCell and I can place it there. I would like to know if there some icons that area already created and uploaded in some website (that can be downloaded for free). Are there any ...