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1:44 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Can ATP be synthesized and consumed? by Marc C. E. Wagner on chemistry.SE

tchrist

2:00 AM

I wonder why SO opted for invisible badges.

invisible badges?

Aye.

morneng...

They're becoming occluded?

Journeyman Geek

not seeing where/why they are invisible

OH

tchrist

2:04 AM

Catija

The silver one is missing a tiny bit and the gold is missing slightly more

tchrist

I think it's the contrast.

contrastrebellion.com

@Catija Wow, you have a really good eye!

Journeyman Geek

*clicks button, hits space, ends up scrolling down like a bouguise..."

tchrist

But yes, that's something else again.

Perhaps there's a partial lunar eclipse going on?

I might be able to get someone's attention about the moons getting nibbled on, but the thing that's worse I bet I won't be able to.

Might as well try, though.

Should search for dupes.

The Contrast Rebellion site I mention above makes an important point, one that seems to have been missed. I'm sure the Graphics Design folks could instantly whip up some concrete measurement metric for illustrating the trouble.

I find the gold 23 harder to read against that particular grey than I do the “silver” 93. That surprises me.

Not the gold badge proper, just the digits. Go look at your own to see what I mean.

user315433

Probably a side effect of Great Shift to the Left (Winterbash)

tchrist

2:16 AM

It might be that I have my monitor resolution set too high, or my monitor contrast even.

@CrazyIvan I did see the MSE post about that.

Journeyman Geek

or your brightness

(and my apparent contrast is even better cause bias lighting ;p)

tchrist

It just feels like there's too much grey in the gold numbers.

On SO only.

Catija

@tchrist I only have bronze badges on SO :P

tchrist

Maybe it's that #CDA400 color that's ugly.

Yep.

Against that grey background, it just doesn't stand out at that font-weight.

Catija

Post a bug report on MSO and tag it with design?

tchrist

2:22 AM

This is one of those things that also varies too much on my monitor, so that stuff at the top looks to be of a different perceptual color than stuff in the middle or at the bottom.

Catija

Are the colors the same across the network?

On the white background it should be a heavier weight, though.

tchrist

@Catija Yep!

@Catija I'm trying to find a site that has a light top-bar like SO does.

Catija

The top bar is the same everywhere except SO.

Journeyman Geek

eh almost

tchrist

The other-language SO sites also have that top-bar.

Catija

2:25 AM

They're considered SO, though?

tchrist

Sure. :)

Journeyman Geek

IIRC main SE and A51 still use the old top bar, everyone other than SO uses the 2017 top bar, and SO sites use the old SO tup bar rather than the new top bar cause... channels?

Catija

No, they fixed main already and chat?... I think it's just A51

3

Q: Top bar not updated for SE.com

The new top bar is not present in https://stackexchange.com/ it still uses the old one.

tchrist

There's definitely something nibbling the right side of the gold dot a wee bit.

Catija

Nope, chat is still old... but it's black.

tchrist

2:29 AM

I presume they changed it to be more contrasty everywhere (else) deliberately.

Andrew T.

the star wall is chaotic...

tchrist

It is? Looks a bit static.

Catija

We haven't see anything from the chicken in a while. :(

tchrist

I hope it hasn't found its way into somebody's pot.

Or raft.

iDebug

@Catija If you miss Chicken, why not buy a burger from McDonald and ask the meat inside it?

Journeyman Geek

2:40 AM

You monster

Cause its dead.

Babylon 5 - My favorite scenes - Dead...dead....dead

►

tchrist

> Stack Exchange te invita a celebrar el final del año con…..¡sombreros! Mientras uses el sitio, descubrirás sombreros y otras cositas escondidas detrás de ciertas acciones. Colecciona todos, algunos, o ninguno de ellos pero ¡hazlo rápidamente! Estos sombreros regresarán a sus cajas el 3 de enero.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Catija

Spanish?

iDebug

Spanish. I can read it partially

Catija

It's the hats announcement.

tchrist

2:43 AM

iDebug

Bug?

Andrew T.

12

Q: Winter Bash explanation is in Russian?

When I open the Winter Bash site it shows all in Russian. But I am not, neither is my browser nor my Windows system and I am in Argentina.

support localization winter-bash-2017

Catija

Stack Exchange invites you to celebrate the end of the year with .... Hats!. When you use the site, you will earn hats and other things for decorating your avatar. ... blah blah blah.

> Stack Exchange invites you to celebrate the end of a great year …with HATS! As you use your site, you'll discover hats and other items hidden behind certain actions. Collect all of them, some of them, or none of them, but be quick – the hats get put back in their boxes on January 3rd!

iDebug

We can open a dupe bug now :)

Andrew T.

well, they have to cater to non-English SO...

Catija

2:44 AM

I still see it in ENglish, though?

iDebug

Me too. Still English.

I wonder why there's never been Chinese.

tchrist

Change your browser language preference.

iDebug

The only piece of Chinese, except chinese.se, is in an FAQ.

tchrist

To one of the things there's a non-English SO GUI for.

iDebug

You mean WB text has a CN version?

Interesting Chinese here.

It was a bad one so I corrected it.

tchrist

2:47 AM

There's a little tiny but red "view all text in English" link at the bottom.

> recibir más de 9000 vistas totales entre todas las preguntas que hayas hecho durante el Winter Bash

Some stuff they don't translate.

Which is pretty normal.

iDebug

It's probably a bug now.

BTW, are you native to Spanish?

tchrist

@iDebug It's not my first language, but I've spoken it for more than forty years.

iDebug

@tchrist Your first language is Català?

tchrist

¿Cómo no? :)

haha

iDebug

No puedo entenderlo :(

tchrist

2:53 AM

It's not very close to Spanish as these things go.

iDebug

I made the guess based on my miscellaneous knowledge.

I think the only place where people hone Spanish as their primary language but not first language is SW Europe, or Spain and around.

tchrist

If knowing Spanish you also know either or preferably both of French or Italian, you can often decode written Catalan, especially with a bit of practice, but the two languages have a smaller overlap in its vocabulary than most people casually imagine.

iDebug

No I'm not. I just started learning Spanish a few months ago.

tchrist

Ah.

iDebug

With no courses, no teachers, no books, just like 7 yrs ago I started learning programming.

tchrist

2:56 AM

@iDebug There are really a great number of Spanish speakers in the Americas.

iDebug

All I have is a Spanish dictionary app plus Google Translate, as well as Google Search.

tchrist

Not too much in Asia. Philippines just don't count. :)

iDebug

@tchrist I know. There's also plenty of places named in Spanish, like Los Angeles.

user202362

tchrist

Catalan is one of the old "langues d'oc" from southern France. It's closely related to the old troubadour's Provençal, though there are few speakers of Occitan left these days the two are very close.

iDebug

2:58 AM

Back to Winter 2010, I started my first few lines of code in Macromedia Flash 8. All I had at that time was a simple game made by others, found online.

tchrist

@Telkitty Would you like to know something interesting about that?

iDebug

@Telkitty A map from the medieval times?

tchrist

> Nuevo México is often incorrectly believed to have taken its name from the nation of Mexico. However, it was named by Spanish explorers who believed the area contained wealthy Amerindian cultures similar to those of the Aztec Empire (centered in the Valley of Mexico), and called the land the "Santa Fe de Nuevo México". This naming was retained for the Mexican and American territory, as well as the subsequent U.S. state.

@iDebug It's from before the young nation of the United States had grabbed up the older Spanish settlements.

Which happened under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848.

iDebug

History is not what I'm good at...

tchrist

Well, it's not your history, so that's ok. :)

There was a war between the two new republics in 1846–1848. That treaty ended it.

iDebug

3:02 AM

What's worse is even it's my history, I still don't know much.

I can name after a lot of names and events, but not the biographies and details.

Nothing wrong then. Everyone has their own subjects.

tchrist

Perhaps you should move to some really new country without any history yet. :)

iDebug

North Korea :)

Without any "history" to be discussed.

tchrist

Wouldn't be my first recommendation. :)

Don't think they eat well there.

Amongst other things.

iDebug

Wouldn't be my even last recommendation. :)

tchrist

Aye.

iDebug

3:06 AM

N. Korea is a really bad place even for a tourism visit.

tchrist

That 1848 treaty "gave the United States the Rio Grande as a boundary for Texas, and gave the U.S. ownership of California and a large area comprising roughly half of New Mexico, most of Arizona, Nevada, and Utah, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado." That's really an incredibly immense, and immensely important, portion of the present-day country we here call the United States.

iDebug

Everything's strictly censored, physically.

tchrist

@iDebug It's a tragedy.

iDebug

@tchrist I had nearly thought it's the American Civil War when I realised it's not in the 1860s.

tchrist

I've been to South Korea, but I never had the least bit of interest in taking a look at the other side.

Journeyman Geek

3:08 AM

@iDebug or to ask for asylum...

iDebug

@JourneymanGeek NK people have always been asking for asylum.

Journeyman Geek

@iDebug from, not to

38

Q: Does North Korea accept asylum seekers?

Is it possible for a UK citizen seek asylum in Democratic People's Republic of Korea ? They seem to have an embassy in London but I have not managed to find their web-site and any relevant information about the process.

north-korea asylum

context

via a meta question there, then MSE

iDebug

Number of stowaways to SK and China has been high for several years.

@JourneymanGeek Muy interesante.

tchrist

@iDebug I understand that they are often arrested in trying.

Speaking of China, we've been hearing disturbing news leaking out of Xinjiang lately, but that's something else of course.

iDebug

@tchrist It's better in SK. Too bad that China has been sending stowaways back to NK regularly.

tchrist

3:14 AM

@iDebug agree

iDebug

@tchrist Xinjiang is mostly another thing. It's domestic affairs.

Typo rate won't drop when I type on an 5.5" Android phone :(

tchrist

Does that make it less troubling? I agree that the situation there should not be compared with the one in North Korea, but it is still worrisome.

I read this yesterday, and found it demoralizing.

iDebug

@tchrist I've never been to Xinjiang so I can't make sure of whatever's there, but according to recent news the policies on religions have been incredibly tight since '09.

You know, religional enthusiasm has always been perseverant.

Isn't my hat creative?

tchrist

@iDebug English could stand to use a bit of garbage collection.

iDebug

@tchrist ...what?

tchrist

3:25 AM

Multi-level joke, don't mind me.

iDebug

I inserted quite a few jokes into that paragraph.

I'm not native to English, nor have I ever lived in an English environment.

For cultural jokes, I usually can't understand in a few minutes.

tchrist

I was referencing how messy the English language is, and also how messy the English SE site can be. :)

It's like nobody ever comes around to collect to garbage. :}

iDebug

@tchrist You can't have learnt Chinese.

tchrist

Indeed I have not.

iDebug

Chinese is the most famous character-based language, and depending how you separate characters to form words, a sentence can have two utterly different meanings.

e.g. 夏天有多少穿多少，冬天有多少穿多少。

In summer, wear as few as you can. In winter, wear whatever you have.

user202362

5:02 AM

@tchrist china is only doing what trump is doing, xinjiang is a mostly islamic state (not to be confused with IS)

Andrew T.

@Telkitty hairy awkward fox...

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: java -home , Unrecognized option: error to create java virtual machine by Techiehints on askubuntu.com

user202362

fat faced fox> hair makes my face looking skinny

Catija

Would be a good taste in IKEA. — iDebug 50 secs ago

Wha?

@iDebug What are you talking about?

Andrew T.

6:18 AM

@Catija i think good taste for... interior house decoration?

SmokeDetector

6:43 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link following arrow in body, +3 more: newmusclesupplements.com/core-max-ultra/ by anniekearns on astronomy.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, pattern-matching website in body, +2 more: healthflyup.com/cbd-gummy-bears/ by miss fatima on astronomy.SE

Shadow Wizard

7:47 AM

iDebug

8:02 AM

@Catija Don't you know IKEA also sell food?

In every IKEA store there's a IKEA restaurant. Their Swedish meatball is my favorite.

Most of their food is Swedish taste, though there are occasionally regional (local) specials.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: What is the term for an image created out of words? by Picture into words on english.SE

SmokeDetector

8:34 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in body: /celuraid-extreme/ by AnthonyWrighs on astronomy.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Why did the Clone Troopers switch sides in Star Wars? by kanker on scifi.SE

Andrew T.

9:08 AM

> I/O error (head)

> Error 503 Maximum threads for service reached

halp! cannot open MSO

I blame... Singapore's node?

> Details: cache-sin18033-SIN 1513588170 1715501570

Journeyman Geek

hmm.

I have the same problem

oh shit

rene

works for me

Journeyman Geek

imgur.com/m3CBBLc

@rene well, I suspect @AndrewT. is on the same CDN servers I'm on

seems somewhat random tho

Andrew T.

> handshake error

rene

yep, that is a varnish server that refuses to serve you. It is a fastly service issue

Journeyman Geek

9:12 AM

Here's my problem. I cannot get on meta. How do I report bugs with no meta :(

Andrew T.

how many errors can I face today? :)

So far I've encountered 4 states:
- HTTP 503
- I/O error (head)
- handshake error
- content loaded, but no CSS

Journeyman Geek

saw that too

didn't screenshot

Andrew T.

welp, SE chat is now 1st-class citizen...

Journeyman Geek

or a 2rd class citizen for bugs

seems to happen randomly on SU too

rene

0

Q: When you access (Meta) Stack Overflow from South East Asia you'll be greeted with a varnish error

The following error occur on and off when you're located in South East Asia: This happens both on Stack Overflow as Meta. So far users encountered 4 states: HTTP 503 I/O error (head) handshake error content loaded, but no CSS Can this be looked at and/or can Fastly be contacte...

bug error-message

iDebug

9:18 AM

Hey guys

I have this printed.

Andrew T.

@rene cannot upvote, thanks though ;)

iDebug

@rene No problem here. Location: China

Journeyman Geek

@rene also seems to be happening on SU

iDebug

I'm going to cut the bottom "logo" down and refine my hat :)

Andrew T.

@rene actually, network wide...

including MSE, SU, Photo.SE, Travel.SE, etc...

rene

9:22 AM

but Boltclock says SEA is too wide as he is not experiencing issues

@AndrewT. so where are you and @JourneymanGeek exactly?

iDebug

How do you access SE chat?

Andrew T.

Indonesia, he's in Singapore

probably mention this: "Details: cache-sin18033-SIN 1513588170 1715501570"

@iDebug SE chat doesn't have any problem, as usual...

iDebug

I guess there's something wrong in SG.

Andrew T.

welp, now "Details: cache-hkg17929-HKG 1513588999 1771987871"

Journeyman Geek

....

iDebug

9:23 AM

SG has several overseas cable.

Andrew T.

welp, it's fixed for me now... or so I thought (MSO still error)

iDebug

HK's network goes through SG, partially.

while some others go through TW or CN

Andrew T.

error again, still HKG

time to stop HNQing and start coding...

iDebug

@AndrewT. Coding?

Andrew T.

... currently working hour ...

iDebug

9:28 AM

I thought you're a student.

rene

Mind sharing your ISP @AndrewT. @JourneymanGeek if that is not a privacy concern?

Journeyman Geek

@rene works now, and done.

iDebug

SingTel?

Journeyman Geek

I bitch about starhub a lot anyway ;)

Starhub Fibre (as opposed to cable or mobile)

iDebug

Start refining my "hat"

Hope the new "logo" won't irritate SE.

Andrew T.

9:31 AM

@rene I might not, but when I tried opening from my personal phone, I think it's already fixed (just as Journeyman)...

rene

OK, all is good then. It might get closed as no longer reproducible

iDebug

I once reported a service failure.

And it turned out to be Fastly's fault.

rene

@iDebug yeah, that is most likely the case here as well

iDebug

Agree.

Journeyman Geek

@rene which is fine

Also "eh, lets see if I need to update my SO answer. Wait. Its down. Lets go to SU. Its down. Meta... PANNNIIIICCCCC"

iDebug

9:36 AM

So he ended up in chat :)

Andrew T.

@rene either way, good to know

Just returned from meeting, then refreshing MSO, then HTTP 503. Panic.

Journeyman Geek

Well I've always got one eye on chat

Andrew T.

Me too.

Oct 2 at 11:51, by Elias

Tavern on the Meta is now my main hub to SE network

2 of my pinned tabs are Tavern, and Anime.SE/active

iDebug

I hope my refined "hat" doesn't look too aggressive.

@AndrewT. Tavern + Charcoal HQ

Andrew T.

Previously Tavern + Android.SE, but...

iDebug

9:40 AM

Journeyman Geek

lol, load of channels on the other server, here mainly for news stalking

iDebug

@AndrewT. I found it easier to find something to answer on SO.

So I went there.

Cute logo!

Derpy

9:58 AM

morning

evening

end of morning

GMT+8 here.

IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
PROGRAM-ID. SALUTATIONS.
PROCEDURE DIVISION.
GREETINGS SECTION
DISPLAY 'Morning everypony'.
STOP RUN.

Andrew T.

10 PRINT "Hello World!"
20 GOTO 10

iDebug

10:05 AM

.string

A "Hello world"

.main

mov %edi, $A

call printf

@Derpy What's that language?

Andrew T.

@iDebug WinterBash++

gparyani

10:20 AM

@rene What happens to pending suggested edits if the post gets deleted?

Journeyman Geek

@gparyani auto rejected

and I believe you lose the rep for accepted suggested edits in the same situation

gparyani

I'm asking about pending

Journeyman Geek

"Auto rejected"

gparyani

My pending edit to a now-deleted post still shows up as "pending review"

meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/55458

What happens if you attempt to review it?

Journeyman Geek

works normally?

gparyani

10:23 AM

@JourneymanGeek But it's to a deleted post

Journeyman Geek

which is odd

tho presumably you can edit it into working, maybe?

gparyani

Did you reject the edit on its own merits, or just to test?

0

Q: How do duplicate(and other closure) flags from low rep users work?

I have been trying to find out how vote-to-close flags from users with less than 3000 rep work, but I can't find the kind of info I want, not even from the help centre or FAQ. I have gathered bits of information here and there, but I think one comprehensive answer will help myself and others. He...

support review flags vote-to-close duplicate-answers

rene

@gparyani I hope nothing

I deleted it so everybody leaves it alone

Andrew T.

yeah, I can read it normally even though it's deleted

gparyani

@JourneymanGeek You might want to close that as a duplicate of the FAQ post, since (as the anonymous editor) I edited in a whole section about recommend closure flags

Andrew T.

10:25 AM

meta.stackexchange.com/posts/304713/edit

gparyani

"Thispost"

Journeyman Geek

ehh

gparyani

@JourneymanGeek to what?

Andrew T.

ohh

Journeyman Geek

@gparyani yes

rene

10:27 AM

@gparyani funny is that you now blocked me from editing my own post: i.stack.imgur.com/CgBv8.png

iDebug

@gparyani It was a mistake. I accidentally changed my answer to CW, so I decided to delete it and re-post one.

I saw the edit suggestion and approved it.

I'm going to take the words from the suggestion and edit it into the answer.

Journeyman Geek

@gparyani normal channels and all that. For clearly OT stuff, I'm super cool, but I'm a bit iffy about pinging people to vote a certain way

gparyani

It's a dupe of that FAQ post

iDebug

Oh it was rene's answer.

gparyani

Guess it's not a dupe

iDebug

10:30 AM

Lol.

This is very embarrassing.

I thought it was mine because I happened to delete another answer.

Andrew T.

I thought it was an audit because both use the same pattern of quote block..

iDebug

I would be confident it's not an audit.

This is MSE.

Good edit. Should've been approved.

Derpy

10:53 AM

So, no new episode for the Chicken troll?

Andrew T.

yeah, unfortunately :(

I miss my daily dose of chicken...

Jake Symons

11:07 AM

@animuson would it be best I delete my answer to this, as you said it has inaccurate information

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: ARP replies contain wrong MAC address by windowsusers121 on serverfault.com

rene

@JakeSymons that or edit your answer to say something like; In normal situations you would go through the Area51 process but for CentOS it is highly unlikely to succeed because [and then either point to Animusons answer or elaborate based on the info from the comments, the blog or maybe an arae51 discussion]. Your answer is in essence not wrong, there are just other forces that prevent the specific request to be succesful.

Journeyman Geek

@JakeSymons that its inaccurate can also be invaluble

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Why is Hadoop not a Data Warehouse? by raj kumar on superuser.com

Journeyman Geek

Also! Learning opportunity! (Information is... kinda everywhere, especially in the early days ;p)

Chicken

11:20 AM

3

Journeyman Geek

ok. whut?

rene

11:34 AM

is that a country?

Is it Barneveld?

user202362

TheLittleNaruto

@Chicken Why can't I see your user profile ?

user202362

like chicken ... but bigger ...

TheLittleNaruto

nice one Telkitty

user202362

:D

TheLittleNaruto

11:43 AM

Ok back to the question, Why this user with name "Chicken" has negative userid ?

and no profile link

rene

@TheLittleNaruto because it is a feed user

TheLittleNaruto

Why do we have such exception ? Is it related to Winter Bash ?

I see!!!!!!

gparyani

@Chicken Namibia

TheLittleNaruto

Earlier we had Feed as feed user

SmokeDetector

12:09 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link, potentially bad keyword in answer: How to export apache ssl certificate to windows by Emily watson on superuser.com

Journeyman Geek

@gparyani ah. What's the purple and grey?

That symbol looks significant too

Drag and Drop

Will a meta post about "Sql In in linq" and "linq select item id in a list" duplicate be usefull?
There is not a week with out a new post where the answer will be `MainList.Where(Filter.Contains)`.
Most of the time op get upvoter and few answer comes up even by gold hammer.

SmokeDetector

12:26 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Title ends with comma: contar dos campos de una tabla en php sql, by Juan Antonio Gonzalez Rozas on es.stackoverflow.com

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek random picture generated to troll that will be given a posthumous explanation after Winter Bash ends?

Andrew T.

@Chicken that's "Ko" shape from Igo (board game)...

@gparyani And Namibia's ISO country code is "Na"

inb4 KoNaMi code

(but @Derpy has failed Konami code...)

huh, 57.1% is....

Whisky/Malt