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It's too bad the protected questions page doesn't have a "view all" option... though, a lot of sites have... well... lots of protected questions. The sort being limited to a specific page is annoying, to be honest and I'd think the easiest workaround would be a view all button. :P

@rene Night! Thanks again! So much!

12:23 AM

@CrazyIvan ... ow. too soon man, too soon...

@Catija the chicken laid an egg 0_0

We shall soon have a multitude of chickens!

user202362

or the egg hatched a (maybe full grown) chicken

Anyone have 10K on SO in here right now?

Updated the chicken post. Which incidentally got me a repcap ;p

@CrazyIvan You still here?

user315433

12:32 AM

@Catija yes

@CrazyIvan stackoverflow.com/tools/protected-questions?filter=all Does that work?

Oh, darn... it's 15K on SO?

user315433

Yes, it shows 23032 questions questions (paginated of course)

Holy crap. Thanks.

user315433

15K to change protected status, but 10K to access /tools, including that list.

user315433

Most are protected by Community

12:35 AM

Yeah, I figured. Thanks.

Protected questions by month

Huh, the users have been on the lower end of the protecting recently. Interesting.

This year, anyway.

recently?

Is serving data to the protected questions 10K tool page expensive?

@JourneymanGeek well, look at the last year until October/November.

I know you guys are in beta buuuut protection's pretty high rep and rarely used. IME its mainly automatic or stuff that attracts spam

oh SO :p

12:41 AM

@JourneymanGeek We have more protected questions on IPS than MSE does... I think... it's pretty close if not more.

@Catija true but subject matter

takes about 200ms to generate the list, and about another 200ms to count the list for the page selector at the bottom

'course, it's optimized for the first page. Grabbing the last page balloons to > 500ms

So the more of the list you retrieve, the slower it's gonna get

Any estimate on pulling the first 1K results onto a single page?

A minute would be a conservative estimate, allowing you some generous rate-limiting

Ouch.

user315433

12:46 AM

A minute isn't bad. But why would one need that list?

user315433

<- has a bunch of obscure lists scattered in Google Sheets

Because you can't sort the entire Protected list.

You can only sort the 50 items on each page.

user315433

Maybe it's better to use SEDE then... although it's not as easy as it would be if Posts table had ProtectedDate field. :(

user315433

It doesn't even have LockedDate? Come on.

PostHistory will work for either case

All 24K+ results in about half a second

If you wanted to get clever, you could pull the IDs from SEDE, filter the list via the API to exclude those unprotected since the last data dump, and finally add in the first ~two pages from /tools.

'course, that's 250 API requests, but how often do you need this list?

12:53 AM

Poop, Brock deleted their answer... stackapps.com/questions/7698/… So I can't see what he was saying again.

@Shog9 I'd probably clear them monthly.

Morning,

yeah, so 250 requests ain't a bother

Morning.

But I don't think that what rene put together for me would work with SEDE.

It relies on the protected questions page.

Though, in reality, I only need the full list once, and for maintenance I could just look at the most recent posts.

What's the purpose of running this on Stack Overflow anyway?

There's not. Actually, I was writing a FR for better sorting on the protected questions page and was curious how long the SO list was.

user315433

12:57 AM

What's the purpose of writing FRs anyway? :/

People respond to them. :(

Anonymous

catharsis.

And I have to have some way to earn rep... I have to keep up with @JourneymanGeek's chicken rep somehow.

;)

@CrazyIvan What's the point of anything? ;p

@JeremyBanks And that. It feels good to request something if only to see that other people agree with the request and you're not alone in seeing that there's a way to make the site better... and, maybe, someday, they'll actually fix them. :D

12:59 AM

Trivia: internally, there is a ProtectedDate on questions. But it's not indexed... While PostHistory.PostHistoryTypeId is indexed. So that little query I posted above is about 100x faster than running select Id, ProtectedDate from Posts... Even if you did have it, you wouldn't want to use it.

@Catija a search operator would be a far better option.

Is not having protected be a search operator related to the privileges levels somehow? It seems that the request for it has been around for a long time.

Heh...

Well, I already wrote an answer supporting the search operator option... but I don't know why that's not been implemented sometime in the last seven years but the protected questions page was added November last year.

I doubt it. My guess is no one ever thought it would be useful. Or remembered that it exists as a status. Or has a deep and abiding hatred of words that begin with "pro". Your guess is probably as good.

@CrazyIvan also, I'm assuming they keep track of good FRs and we might see them in future. Or rolled in accidentally during future updates. SO corp isn't going to be looking for the next best thing forever. At some point someone's gonna go "ugh, we actually DO need to update Q&A, and not just the top bar"

@Catija it was added last year, but it was added because there was an existing 10k tool that just displayed recently-protected questions and that's all but useless for actually keeping an eye out for questions that were protected for good reason but no longer need to be.

Sure. I read Undo's request. I was linking to it in my FR. Heck, even having the sort tabs tell you "this only sorts the 50 items on this page" would be nice. It took me some poking around to figure that out, though I guess it should be obvious, since it's not reloading the page.

1:10 AM

@Catija also -6 on the chicken post. some people just hate fun I suppose? (I am actually curious)

Lots of people lost their keys today.

@Catija oh I'm fine with that. I kinda expected it

1:32 AM

Lots of people lost their chickens today.

They might have flown the coop

coop d'etat...

2:00 AM

We need better chicken puns

Pullet puns?

bantam banter

rooster repartee?

capon capers

hen humor

things like that

@alexolut meta.stackexchange.com/a/304283/377214

@CrazyIvan How did you manege to associate the 4 "userxxxxxx" names to their network profile? chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6546619#6546619

@CrazyIvan Haven't learnt that this can be done! How?

user315433

2:28 AM

@iDebug I Googled "site:meta.stackexchange.com user213634" and read a few comment exchanges. Some of them contain @username

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Bring clothes. It helps look normal. — Arkadiusz Koćma Jun 6 '11 at 11:28

@iDebug @CrazyIvan is a master stalker ;p

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^^ One dv on one answer (SO) would be enough, I'm out of delvotes.

@CrazyIvan Looks like a status-bydesign bug. Comment "at"s should have been anonymized.

@iDebug Not really a bug...

2:36 AM

@Catija That's what I mean by status-bydesign. It definitely requires a lot of job to go through the DB and modify all the comments, which is a bad job on the DB server.

and I don't really think @foo's super special

@CrazyIvan That's why you suggested two names for user133440 = hamlin11 / BrianWebster because (possibly) he changed his display name and both showed up in comments?

user315433

Yes.

user315433

The @username issue was discussed at length already. Some people write @user name. Some write "user name" without @. Some mistype and end up with @userrname. Search-and-replace would introduce a bunch of errors (guessing the intent of commenter) without providing anonymity.

Some people have the same name...

2:46 AM

@gparyani You mentioned two of your edit places, San Diego, CA and Austin, TX. There's quite a distance between them and it's not so practical to travel between frequently. Why are those two places?

@Catija I missed this important point...

@Catija yeah, like

Jeff Atwood

1 2

@gparyani Maybe those are two of the servers with best connectivity from your VPN provider?

stackoverflow.com/users

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/108420

You should check out this query :)

One of the words on my SEDE Capcha was "Einfahrt".

< Is actually an 11 year old boy.

2:53 AM

@Catija girls can enjoy fart jokes too

There's a Whoa 8k Alex's on SO.

@JourneymanGeek Awww, thanks for validating my appreciation for the lowest level of humor.

@Catija I'm all about equal opportunity for the lower forms of humour.

user315433

3:09 AM

Iota private beta is really active, 241 questions already (in 13 days). I hope they'll soon get tired of the all-capsy name, as it happened years ago with FORTRAN, MATLAB and such.

3:50 AM

@iDebug I reside in San Diego, that's where I went to high school. After graduating, I'm attending college in Austin.

(There used to be only one airline operating that route, but now there are three, which has caused ticket prices to drop considerably.)

@iDebug No, those are not VPN locations. Generally, my VPN edits are from Dallas, though I recently used Chicago-based servers to bypass an insta-ban.

And Los Angeles-based servers when editing from San Diego

user315433

> Nah, I’m a chicken. But my teeth are garbage and it just is what it is. :) -- Adam Lear at 6:22 PM - 11 Dec 2017

user315433

Mystery solved: @Chicken is Adam.

@CrazyIvan May I ask, where did your username come from?

Were you named "Cupcake" at some point?

I used to research Normal Human's username...

user315433

No, Cupcake was a different user. I'm not going to answer git questions anytime soon...

4:04 AM

@gparyani usually, the hint is on the avatar. Reverse searching the image seems giving "Ivan the Terrible", now mix it with pop-culture, I think Crazy Ivan is suitable.

user315433

Crazy Ivan

Crazy Ivan is a cold war term used in the US to describe two different concepts. The most common usage was the name given to a maneuver used by Soviet submarines to clear their baffles to see if they were being followed. The second use was a catch-all term for the possibility of a rogue Soviet leader committing to military action, typically in reference to a limited launch of ICBMs against the US. The term Red October was sometimes used to describe the second concept, a reference to the 1984 Tom Clancy novel The Hunt for Red October in which a rogue Soviet submarine commander appears to threaten...

user315433

That, and I re-watched Firefly recently.

user315433

I'm gonna try a Crazy Ivan (the comic also mentions chickens...)

user202362

<3 alear

user202362

and not only because I am a fox and you are a chicken

user315433

4:07 AM

Do chickens even have teeth?

when they are chicks...

Have they crossed the road?

Egg tooth

In some egg-laying animals, the egg tooth is a small, sharp, cranial protuberance used by offspring to break or tear through the egg's surface during hatching. It is present in most reptiles, and similar structures exist in monotremes, Eleutherodactyl frogs, and spiders. Some lizards develop a true tooth that is shed after use; other reptiles and birds generally develop an analogous epidermal horn that is reabsorbed or falls off. == Birds == A mother bird delivers her young encased in an eggshell; an external protective covering consisting of calcium carbonate (CaCO3). The shell protects the chick...

Our local rooster does a lot

So.......... who's gonna answer and get the acceptance chick on Geek's question?

(bad pun is bad)

@AndrewT. every downvote I get is someone sighing at the puns and wishing they could throw eggs at me ;p

4:11 AM

Just made my first FAQ edit

...under my account

Glad I don't have to wait 12+ hours for even a basic edit to be reviewed

user202362

user202362

not is that a chicken

user202362

those sharp, tiny little teeth

oh whicked

Recently, I like my palm to be bitten by tiny ants

4:16 AM

You like to be bitten by ants?

Yeah, it's more thrilling than my daily life :/

OTOH, since the ant was standing(?) still, I got to identify it, and apparently just a carpenter ant (red color, black abdomen)...

YAY!!!

4:32 AM

wut? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/304304/…

5:03 AM

@AndrewT. that needs a final CV ;p

Nope.

@SmokeDetector spam

I think I've found a good way to get Deputy and Marshal faster.

@iDebug does it help the community or just you? ;p

The first one requires 2k rep. Go to LQP queue and before recommending deletion, go to the actual post and cast an extra VLQ flag.

ehhh

that's just a tiny bit questionable.

5:11 AM

Another way is to keep an eye on Tavern on the Meta

Oh, that works

The bot @SmokeDetector occasionally sends bad posts here and you can go and give a flag.

Or... just join smokey.

spam flags are always good, even if I slightly miss the thrill of the hunt for the wild spam.

Keep an eye out in Charcoal, which gets flag alerts five minutes sooner.

The only ones that pop in here are old ones.

5:12 AM

I think I have to quit for some time. Something went wrong.

0_0

My browser (Android Chrome) no longer shows the mobile chat site.

did you select show desktop site?

Nope I'm sure.

It's quite annoying since it happens rather frequently.

Hi Undo :D

5:15 AM

Oy

came here looking for an escaped domesticated fowl

The whole chat.meta.stackexchange.com shows desktop scene now.

Oh, is it yours?

@Undo follow the stars. We're waiting for the egg to hatch.

@Catija I was thinking maybe I could kill it and get the eggs sooner

@Undo nuuuuu

5:17 AM

... That's not how it works.

But maybe in about 18 hours or so?

Even if its not a goose with golden eggs.

Kinda odd its just here tho

Is it Easter or Christmas?

Or "Winter Easter"?

Its Winterbash

Maybe saying "Winter" is too regional.

The chickens might be a easter egg for winter tho

5:18 AM

Well, Balpha did sort of say that Easter Eggs were a possibility if he had the time and inclination.

@Catija worst case, I get some protein. Yummy.

It's Winter Bash... :P

What about the south semisphere? It's summer there, lol.

@Catija this place is a relatively obscure place for it

no one else has reported chickens

That's the fun of it... they start poking in here where it's mostly staff and way too involved users :P who then go and post on MSE... which gets hauled to the TL and other chat rooms... it spreads.

5:20 AM

Anyone else find it interesting that the timestamps on those messages don't line up?

Makes me recall this.

They're not 00:00 timestamps. xx:54:40 and xx:07:51

No, I'm pretty sure that Tim posted the second one himself.

Or someone did trying to make it look like it was him.

It's not set up like a regular feed.

Shouldn't the timestamp read 6 to 8 weeks?

5:23 AM

@Undo Yes, I noticed that.

But, the posts do show up in recent posts, even though they don't increment the post count.

It's a feed user being manually logged in to, I suppose

Hence my accusation of Tim.

:P

Chicken

6:11 AM

🐣🐔

10

IT'S BROKEN!!!

*the shell, not SE

btw, why did the egg displace?

Oooh! Well, only a few hours left until Winter Bash.

6:26 AM

grr, they changed the logic

And... It hatched?

there are still 17 hours before the chicken grows its family

How many chick/chicken emoji choices are there? I want to see how far this story goes :P

user202362

I have a great idea - next years count down will be by the increasing population of chickens!

count down ... increasing ...

doesn't compute

user202362

6:36 AM

or days to hatch ...

user202362

winter bash is an event needs to be hatched

John Dvorak

Fib(24) is the chicksplosion. You realize your trouble, eat all the chicken and be merry.

@Catija see the related part on chicken emoji

@JohnDvorak 🍗

John Dvorak

I like that the statue of liberty is actually listed as related to the eagle emoji

@Shog9 I think you should update the MSE help page about the roomba script to remove the stuff about RemoveAbandonedQuestions.

user202362

6:49 AM

The bald eagle is an opportunistic carnivore with the capacity to consume a great variety of prey. Throughout their range, fish often comprise the majority of the eagle's diet.

user202362

glorified seagull

user202362

eagle ... seagull ... sea eagle

user202362

makes sense

@AndrewT. So, the funny thing is that none of those views of what the emoji looks like in different places is what I was seeing today... a solid yellow silhouette.

depends on browser, or device model, or OS version

7:03 AM

I was in Chrome on windows. But I don't see that on the wiki you linked. If it's the same tomorrow, I'll get a screenshot.

7:48 AM

translate: hello

chicken: bak bak bak

:(

Q: What is the difference between exact duplicate and just duplicate?

9

The questions Why does Meta Stack Exchange have privileges that don't have any effect? and Meta Meta Privilege were both marked as duplicates. However, one of them has a different notice below from the other. The first says "This question was marked as an exact duplicate of an existing question...

This is not a duplicate of that question. This question asks about the notice below the question, while the other one asks about the above link.

8:07 AM

@gparyani is this the correct dupe: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/197452/… ?

@rene Nope. Read carefully. The dupe target and that comment are asking about the link above. The question I linked above asks about the "marked as duplicate" notice.

k, it is open now, propose a better dupe or write an answer then

delv-pls 20K cagr meta.stackexchange.com/questions/304309/… /cc @JourneymanGeek @Bart @ShadowWizard

I agree with Ano about the dupes. Thanks for reopening, @rene. :)

(would have reopened sooner if I'd noticed)

@rene umm... you didn't vote yet...

@JNat hey, you know anything about Chicken by any chance? ;)

@rene Proposed an edit: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/55339

@rene I don't think it's a duplicate of anything, and I don't know the answer.

@ShadowWizard The only reason I noticed this one is because I was looking through old user215114 posts and found this in the linked section.

@gparyani huh. Lucky us. :D

Anonymous

8:15 AM

@Chicken 🌾🌾🌾 I want a chicken.

@JeremyBanks maybe @Telkitty got some to spare.

@ShadowWizard I did now

@rene slow :P

@Chicken kukelekuuuu

It's probably just caching

8:17 AM

Whoops. @Telkitty got only two chickens. Sorry, @Jeremy

Sep 8 '16 at 7:34, by Telkitty

Also my 2 chickens have stopped laying eggs for 3 months. When one of them did lay an egg last week, it's this:

@ShadowWizard I'm on one coffee so far ...

Anonymous

Darn. I will need to procure one elsewhere.

!!/coffee to @rene please

@ShadowWizard brews coffee for @to @rene please

LOL

this can be abused in so many ways.....

8:18 AM

Who is @to

@rene little brother of @two

?

!!/tea Derpy

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of darjeeling tea for @Derpy

!!/blame Chicken

8:19 AM

@ShadowWizard It's Shadow Wizard's fault.

nooooooo

I said Chicken!

@ShadowWizard Just a thought...maybe you should change your username to "Shadow the Hedgehog" instead of "Sha Wiz Dow Ard" for Winterbash

I will consider this. :)

But... I must have Wizard somewhere... so if you can come with something let me know. Ano ;)

Shadow the Hedgehog Wizard will suffice? @Ano

!!/coffee Ano the Great Editor

@ShadowWizard brews coffee for @Ano the Great Editor

Or leave the username, but change your avatar to the face of the Sega character

8:21 AM

hmm....

@SmokeDetector easy: don't urinate on the carpet to begin with.... duh... :D

sd k

Anonymous

Can I get some upvotes my awful modern-blog-style "cover image" in this modern-blog-style "zero-content post"? ;-)

@JeremyBanks only if it contains chickens

@Catija yeah I will add that. I was more expecting feedback on the selection options you have and how it in general works. Loading the additional pages will be relatively easy.

Anonymous

@ShadowWizard Is a turkey good enough?

@JeremyBanks no. Chicken, that can lay eggs. ;)

Anonymous

8:28 AM

@ShadowWizard What about an egg?

→ 27 messages moved to Chimney

@JeremyBanks egg without chicken? That's against the basic rules. :D

Anonymous

apparently I do not know the rules. :P

What's the difference between deleting one of its messages and moving it to Chimney?

Anonymous

but here is the egg. not sure if that earns the vote or not. :P

8:29 AM

@JeremyBanks enjoy the rep! :P

Anonymous

tyvm i was worried id get a question ban on stackapps and itd stop me from making my first one million dollar app

@gparyani only moderators can delete messages, Smokey self deletes its message if the post has been deleted within 2 minutes. (time the post can be self deleted)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Viewer for HEIF/HEIC images in El Capitan or Sierra by Khoa Tran on apple.SE

Anonymous

also deleting messages doesn't get them out of the way.

@gparyani deleting can only be done by a mod or the OP within 2 minutes after posting. We, the RO's that is, like to clean the clutter of Smokey reports once they are handled. To reduce the noise and make the transcript friendlier for those that want to read back.

8:32 AM

whoa... @JNat if you're still into this, cross site spammer to be nuked.

Anonymous

Tim

Anonymous

tim