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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
12:38 AM
@CrazyIvan hats for things they don't want people to do isn't/shouldn't happen
 
 
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Andrew T.
Andrew T.
1:43 AM
mor ning
 
Catija
Catija
2:05 AM
So... I have a question...
I was trying to figure out one of the advent calendar days and I needed to find the biggest number in a list of numbers... so I found this question on SO:
52
Q: Python - Find the greatest number in a list of numbers

Chris FosterIs there any easy way or function to determine the greatest number in a python list? I could just code it, as I only have three numbers, however it would make the code a lot less redundant if I could tell the greatest with a built in function or something.

python numbers
But Andy said that the syntax was wrong in the accepted answer in the newer version of Python...
So, should the answer be edited or should the tag on the question be edited to be specific to Python 2.x?
 
user311528
@Catija works for me in py3
 
user311528
other than print parends ofc
 
Catija
Catija
He said it has to be print(max(foo))?
 
user311528
that's not worth editing
 
user311528
print is just changed in py2 to py3, it's a pretty small detail
 
user311528
2:08 AM
the important part of that answer is the max function, which still exists/works
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
Python 2 is still alive and kicking
Given the year when the answer was posted, it's certainly Py2
 
user311528
print vs print() is pretty simple of a change
 
user311528
it even has a custom error message
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
o gawd, the minus-scoring answer is... questionable
 
Catija
Catija
@Riker Why not? I'm an utter novice and I wouldn't have known that was the case... shouldn't the answer actually say both options then?
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
2:15 AM
not really, that's not the point of the question...
 
user202362
Some buildings are still run by a Commodore 64, multiple nuclear power plants are run by PDP-6s, the spaceship that sent human to the moon had approximately 64Kbyte of memory and operated at 0.043MHz.
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
instead, I'd edit and remove the reference to print at all and instead store it on a variable
 
user202362
it's not about how new a technology is, it's what it is capable of doing
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
<marquee>
 
user311528
@Catija no :p
 
Catija
Catija
2:17 AM
? I don't understand.
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
(am I lagging? I feel like a ghost)
 
user311528
@Catija the question does not ask about print/print()
 
user311528
that is probably the most well known difference between python 2 and python 3 of every single change made
 
user311528
thinking more on it, yeah, I guess it could probably be edited to change "print" to "print()", it's not necessary
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
problem solved :P
 
user311528
2:27 AM
@ArtOfCode very nice solution thank you :p
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
11 mins ago, by Andrew T.
instead, I'd edit and remove the reference to print at all and instead store it on a variable
 
Catija
Catija
I couldn't upvote something that was... wrong. I'm glad that you know it's wrong but I didn't.
 
 
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Andrew T.
Andrew T.
3:59 AM
@SmokeDetector astronomical enhancement
 
 
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alexolut
alexolut
5:48 AM
New meaning of “autobiographer” badge
 
Catija
Catija
?
Oh... autobiographer
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
6:08 AM
@alexolut :(
@alexolut We're very much aware of that, and my feelings towards the perpertrators are "ugh. DIE IN A FIRE"
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
how to make it manualbiographer? :(
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@AndrewT. well some of the CMs have thrown around ideas to solve it
but 6-8 weeks?
 
alexolut
alexolut
@JourneymanGeek ruSO is also affected. Thinking to change my insurance company :-D
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@alexolut not as badly ;p
 
alexolut
alexolut
@AndrewT. at first, you need a car with manual transmission
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
6:18 AM
manualbiographer: a new mod review queue for reviewing user profile
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
reviewing isn't enough
I mean, we can find them
there's no real 'easy' way to destroy these 'en mass'
and if we did, it would still be a VERY dangerous tool
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
ugh, I forgot... not only "about me", but even easy username spam...
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
well I'm of the opinion this is kind of their reaction to realising post spam gets nuked fast
 
 
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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
7:43 AM
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
@JourneymanGeek delv-pls cc @rene @TravisJ @Bart @ShadowWizard
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
8:16 AM
→ 13 messages moved to Chimney
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
8:38 AM
@AndrewT. done
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
8:56 AM
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
@JourneymanGeek delv-plz cc @rene @TravisJ @Bart @ShadowWizard
[][][][][][][][][][][][[[][][][][]][][]
this office laptop... the "[" and "]" keys are sticky :/
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
9:23 AM
 
Derpy
Derpy
@JourneymanGeek >.... spam seed?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ugh.
 
Derpy
Derpy
does it grow into a spam tree?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
You see? That sadly isn't a representation of all that is wrong in the world. Which is what is wrong in the world.
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
money grows on spam trees
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
9:28 AM
Behold my field of f____s. It is barren with all the f____s I give about spammers feeding their families!
Let them eat spam! Till their bellies are full and they die of lethal deadly death!
 
Derpy
Derpy
> Should I post it on meta? A checklist:
a) was it posted already?
b) is it not worth posting?
c) does it include fun ?
d) can Derpy make a lame joke out of it?

If you answered yes to any of the above, avoid posting or face the consequences :P
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
unrelatedly the lost sheep are in herds today
 
Derpy
Derpy
@JourneymanGeek search youtube for "Knuckles Mania: Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles ....."
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
hmm. no ;p
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
10:05 AM
hmm. no ;p
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
hmm. no ;p
 
user202362
hmm no. ;p
 
user202362
so this year there will be no raccoon in hats, what else is it going to be?
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
got knocked out by PETA
 
user202362
 
Derpy
Derpy
10:12 AM
@JNat Only a few hours remains and finally we will get angry/mad/furious at Capcom again!
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
ugh and wow
 
Derpy
Derpy
WoW?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@AndrewT. Ugh. Wow.
 
user202362
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
 
user202362
10:29 AM
I wonder whether avatar is a reflect of mental state
 
user202362
for example I might feel like being an awkward fox
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
how does it feel like an awkward fox?
 
user202362
 
Derpy
Derpy
We got Goat Simulator.
Bear Simulator
Eagle Simulator
Bread Simulator.

time for an awkward fox simulator
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
Life simulator The Sims
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
10:55 AM
The brown fox jumped over the fence
 
Nog Shine
Nog Shine
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
Discrimination. What about foxes who are not quick? And dogs who are not lazy?
 
Derpy
Derpy
@ShadowWizard the not-quick foxes are too slow to jump so they simple walk around the dog.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
non lazy dog, you mean.
 
Derpy
Derpy
11:13 AM
@ShadowWizard nope, the lazy one. The non-lazy dog has already moved out of the way and is enjoining some quality dog-food as a prize.
 
Optimus Prime
Optimus Prime
11:29 AM
anyone have any experience with Google Mybusiness?
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Derpy oh. Good thinking!
@OptimusPrime not me
 
 
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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
1:28 PM
aww
place that contacted me last week decided not to go past the phone interview :(
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
:(
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@JourneymanGeek same happened to me with Facebook, no worry.
Great minds... fail alike. :D
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ShadowWizard oh that happened to me with google
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
lol
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
AWS went through the whole interview cycle
lol. Kinda think this is the worst time possible to put in a speculative application at SE ;p
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
1:33 PM
plz-delete mind clogging meta.stackexchange.com/questions/304011/… @Bart @rene @Journeyman @Trav
@JourneymanGeek AWS? Amazon Web Services?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
yup
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Journeyman so you almost worked for Amazon?
I heard they make their employees life really hard.
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
as Mechanical Turk?
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
Or a Fetching Dog
 
Mithrandir
Mithrandir
1:49 PM
@ShadowWizard Why whitelist the user?
 
Magisch
Magisch
@ShadowWizard The one guy I know who worked in project management at amazon told me it was well paid but literally hell in terms of stress and work environment
 
Mithrandir
Mithrandir
That just excludes the user from username checks. It's supposed to be used where a user has a name that we pick up but that this user is a FP, but would be picked up again (such as a user with 'support' in their name).
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ShadowWizard I'm fine with working my ass off
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Mithrandir because he's not a spammer?
@Magisch exactly
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@AndrewT. data centre tech
 
Mithrandir
Mithrandir
1:51 PM
@ShadowWizard Yes... so? That's not what the whitelist is for.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
I read they can't go to toilets during work time
@Mithrandir oh. so what is it for?
 
Mithrandir
Mithrandir
1 min ago, by Mithrandir
That just excludes the user from username checks. It's supposed to be used where a user has a name that we pick up but that this user is a FP, but would be picked up again (such as a user with 'support' in their name).
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
I'm not Smokey expert yet... :/
@Mithrandir ohhh.... well, that user can post another question with dots...
 
Mithrandir
Mithrandir
It'll get picked up again, then.
 
Derpy
Derpy
3
Q: How do I make a new and interesting type of "Zombie" creature?

WaterFire .RTHCODE DRIVER In my story, I want to have a world in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, but I also want it to feel different from any other interpretation out there. I call my monsters "Odd People" or "Oddities/Odds" for short, because of course I don't want to actually call them Zombies. How do I...

science-based zombies blood mutation
^ THIS one reminds me something...
My suggestion: have a random guy whose only daughter was killed by the army forces trying to contain (/silence) the epidemic get by chance involved in a job consisting of escorting another young girl of the same age to a secret resistence lab. For reasons the girl was infected weeks ago but does not show any sign of mutation, so the resistance hopes to study her in order to find a cure.

For added bonus, give your Odd Ones some main characteristic that may make them unique. For example, make them slowly turn in a plant/mushroom blind creature that uses sound to locate their prey. You can c…
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
1:53 PM
Coffee-driven software?
 
Derpy
Derpy
2:05 PM
still no green matcha tea.
 
 
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Feeds
Feeds
3:24 PM
 
user315433
Solar car
A solar car is a solar vehicle used for land transport. Solar cars only run on solar power from the sun. To keep the car running smoothly, the driver must monitor multiple gauges to spot possible problems. Cars without gauges almost always feature wireless telemetry, which allows the driver's team to monitor the car's energy consumption, solar energy capture and other parameters and thereby freeing the driver to concentrate on driving. Solar cars combine technology typically used in the aerospace, bicycle, alternative energy and automotive industries. The design of a solar vehicle is severely limited...
 
Derpy
Derpy
anyone wants to start an online petition to ask Microsoft to remove the ability to have store procedures return error codes messages instead of actual exceptions?
It doesn't even have to be some new implemented feature. Just a line in the eula stating it is consider illegal, so that I can legally refuse to touch them.
It is not plausible in 2017 to have to resort to magic string comparison to detect if the procedure had some error.
 
Andrew T.
Andrew T.
3:40 PM
@Feeds haha good luck
 
rene
rene
3:56 PM
@ShadowWizard is unclogged already ...
@Derpy can't you reverse engineer the resource dll so you have all possible error messages? Just compare the strings ...
Oh, some issues with parameters and let's hope they never switch locale ...
beyond that: totally plausible
No thanks, I'm happy to offer my free advice
 
Derpy
Derpy
@rene not "Made in Microsoft"
"(not-so) legacy code"
My idea was to post the error message to Microsoft Text Analytic service.
 
rene
rene
LOL
 
Derpy
Derpy
If the "sentiment" parameter is above a specified value, threat the message as "no problem, all success" otherwise show it as an error alert.
 
rene
rene
Sounds as an awesome way to spend time and money on
 
Derpy
Derpy
4:12 PM
already checked, a message like
> App Name: import successfull
gets a 97% sentiment rating.
So it may work.
Not something that you would want to implement but....
Ridiculous coding-pratices require ridiculous solutions.
(nope, don't worry - won't do that. But pretending helps venting the rage/delusion)
(that said, just figure the release notes:
> v1.xyz
- added call to Microsoft Cognitive Services to detect nature of store procedure generated text messages in order to compute the probability of the message to indicate that an error occurred
 
rene
rene
4:41 PM
@Derpy you can make it self-learning ... you show every mesaage to the end user and they can continue if they answer yes or no to the question does this look like an error message to you ....
 
 
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rene
rene
6:03 PM
→ 23 messages moved to Chimney
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: Why does NAD+ become reduced if it gains a hydrogen proton? by Trey Kuntz on biology.SE
 
Feeds
Feeds
How We’re Designing Channels
Kurtis Beavers on December 04, 2017

This post is part of a series on how we’re making Channels, the thinking behind the product, and insight into the process. We’ve got smart people working on smart solutions, and continue looking to the community and alpha/beta testers as we iterate toward launch. Read “Why Channels”, the first post in the series for more background info.

Working on Channels has been like any remodeling project: You start out excited, then you pull down the wood paneling and suddenly realize you’ve got rewiring to do — solving one issue leads to even more. …

 
user315433
6:19 PM
 
user315433
This every time you post?
 
user315433
Not clear if the prompt is limited to questions; answers can contain private information too.
 
Adam Lear
Adam Lear
That's not the look that we ended up implementing (at this point), but yeah - limited to questions at the moment.
 
user315433
Having been pinged under multiple posts recently, I ended up leaving a comment intended for user A under a post by user B. :/
 
Shog9
Shog9
I fully expect this (whatever form "this" actually takes) to be expanded to answers eventually too. Probably on about the first time someone posts their secret company development roadmap in response to a public question.
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
6:33 PM
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 I can totally see people doing that
People with no real firm experience with normal stack not quite getting the difference and mistaking a question about a product they've made with something written in the internal Q/A
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch uh-huh. PHPCEO joins Channels to commune with their dev team, sees the mixed question list in /questions/tagged/php, picks the wrong one...
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 Jokes aside, I think the actual issue here is you're removing the explicit association of "SO UI ==== PUBLIC" from people's minds
I know I'd fall for it at least once
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch that's not a bad assumption though. It's folks who don't come in with that assumption that we'll have to watch out for
 
Magisch
Magisch
right now whenever I see the SO UI there's a voice in the back of my head going "make sure you're allowed to say this..." before every post. If people use channels for a long time, especially prior non-users of SO, that association might go away
 
Shog9
Shog9
6:38 PM
Consider the numerous examples of companies doing product support on SO: users showing up assuming SO is a company-specific support queue, employees showing up thinking posting links to the main support database is appropriate...
we'll have to go out of our way to establish the context
 
Magisch
Magisch
I guess making channels significantly visually distinct could do it
 
Shog9
Shog9
if we do that properly, we'll train folks to pay attention to context up-front - no need to wait for (potentially-problematic) assumptions to develop on down the road.
 
Magisch
Magisch
Of course the ideal is having people watch what they're posting and where they're posting it
 
Shog9
Shog9
Keep in mind, SO already has seen numerous instances of folks posting proprietary information in questions without realizing that this is public, in spite of the fact that just about everyone first arrives on Stack Overflow via questions found searching the public internet.
 
Magisch
Magisch
Thats true
There was this guy on SU posting working admin credentials to a company's exchange server
 
Shog9
Shog9
6:43 PM
So... In a certain sense, this is a low bar; we just need to provide slightly more situational awareness than newbcoder3291 from HIPAA Compliant Medical Records Processing LLC
(motto: "we send all your medical records to countries without extradition treaties!")
 
Magisch
Magisch
I guess
I'm excited about the charcoal channel and trying it out
 
Shog9
Shog9
don't get too excited; will probably be a while before that can happen
 
Magisch
Magisch
Oh, I know
I have IPS to tide me over
IPS is almost more exciting, tbh. It's a nice community and I want to try and help make it work. Also I suck at a lot of social situations so there's a lot to learn
 
Shog9
Shog9
yeah... I hope we get to see more generally-applicable cultural / etiquette questions though. Awful lot of stuff right now that... Well, that should be glad there's no "too localized" close reason anymore.
Awful lot of folks who struggle to understand protocols that are commonly seen as obvious, either because they just never paid attention, because they're someone that naturally has difficulty picking up on social cues, or because they grew up in a different culture and are struggling to integrate.
 
Magisch
Magisch
work in progress
 
Shog9
Shog9
6:51 PM
If you look at some of the most useful questions on, say, TWP (or SO for that matter) they tend to be things that the answerer saw as obvious until they realized it wasn't for someone, and took the time to explain it.
Right now, I kinda feel like 2/3rds of the folks writing answers on IPS are seeing it as a puzzle game: "it can't be as simple as the asker being blind to [social convention I take for granted] - I must figure out a complicated back story full of intrigue and deception and solve that instead"
the handful of people treating it as "explain human behavior to me like I'm 5" are giving me hope though.
the ultimate truth of SE's usefulness is that we're all clueless newbs in some situation.
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 Every time I find myself writing an answer like that I feel it's near deletion, though
Almost like a typo but for social situations thing
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch remember: pearls vs. sand. All questions are terrible unless they find a willing oyster with time on its hands.
well, foot. Oysters don't have hands.
 
Magisch
Magisch
hmm
so far I really like it though
 
Shog9
Shog9
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
7:07 PM
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 xI think there's also a vastly overrepresented sample of ASD people on TWP and IPS
from what I see in chat
 
rene
rene
@Magisch ASD? I guess that is not it ...
 
Magisch
Magisch
@rene autism spectrum disorder
 
rene
rene
Ah, and you think you can diagnose that in chat?
 
Catija
Catija
@Feeds Is there any way to get higher-resolution versions of the images in this post linked through the images? It's sort of difficult to see the images.
@Magisch Seems like an easy solution to that is to not require an SO account to use a channel... users who don't use SE, won't have to worry about accidentally posting on the live site.
 
Magisch
Magisch
7:21 PM
@rene No I know that at least 4 people I know from TWP chat told me they have it
I don't make assumption
 
rene
rene
Good.
 
Jon Ericson
Jon Ericson
@Catija The first one? I think that's purposeful.
 
Catija
Catija
@JonEricson More the second one... the first one is obviously huge, so I was guessing it was intentional... the two screen one near the end, though ?
 
Jon Ericson
Jon Ericson
Yeah. I'm not actually sure what that is supposed to show.
 
Catija
Catija
My guess was that the grey/red bar along the left of the question/questions list is how they're setting apart something that's on a Channel?
@Shog9 You should have seen TAS this morning... I had people in there trying to call the subject of a question "crazy" and saying things like "you always assume a gun is loaded"...
 
Shog9
Shog9
7:30 PM
@Catija uh...
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
7:56 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Where can you rent an RV like a car in the USA? by Usha on travel.SE
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
8:31 PM
@rene yeah but it was just the beginning...
 
rene
rene
8:46 PM
there is always an end to any beginning
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
8:59 PM
Not when it's circular.
 
Anonymous
⌘
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
10:05 PM
Is this duplicate of this and/or this? @rene @TravisJ @Journeyman @Andrew
Please honest/neutral opinion, ignore my comments if you happen to see them. Thanks!
@JeremyBanks is this a hint? ;)
 
Optimus Prime
Optimus Prime
10:23 PM
what's the new dashed line
dashed ugly line
 
Catija
Catija
Huh... dunno.
 
rene
rene
10:39 PM
@ShadowWizard Nope, it is discussing a new google search engine feature that seems tailored to Q/A modelled sites. The other questions discuss other aspects of the Google integration. Not dupes.
Also Martijn Rulez!
 
Catija
Catija
Well... it seems, maybe, to be marking every fifth message?
Maybe?
Possibly?
Hmmmm... but maybe won't break a chunk of text by the same person.
And they fade as the messages age...
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:03 PM
what are y'all even talking about?
 
Catija
Catija
Do you not see the dotted line above my first message... in that group of five...?
You can see them in the TL, too... there's two of them. Like I said, they seem to fade over time.
And now there's one between your message and mine.
 
Shog9
Shog9
no there isn't
 
Catija
Catija
 
Shog9
Shog9
oh THAT
that's old
that just means you left off reading there
 
Catija
Catija
Oh. Huh.
Then why do I have two of them?
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:07 PM
yeah, that's new
 
Catija
Catija
I've seen as many as 4-5 of them.
 
Shog9
Shog9
it does seem to be a bit more... sticky... than it used to be
 
Catija
Catija
They slowly fade but they stick around for a while.
 
Shog9
Shog9
did someone upgrade jQuery without telling anyone?
has all the hallmarks of an animation that's running way too slowly
 
Catija
Catija
Oh, so it's supposed to fade in a second and instead it's taking 20 minutes?
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:08 PM
something like that
I'm just guessing
 
Catija
Catija
Now I have three of them :P
So... would you unstar that instagram link of mine? I don't really think it belongs on the star board in here.
 
Shog9
Shog9
what?
oh
 
user315433
.monologue.catchup-marker{padding-top:3px;border-top-style:dotted;border-top-width:2px}
.monologue.catchup-marker-1{border-top-color:#a6a6a6}
.monologue.catchup-marker-2{border-top-color:#c6c6c6}
.monologue.catchup-marker-3{border-top-color:#e6e6e6}
 
Shog9
Shog9
don't see that anyone's made changes to chat
 
Catija
Catija
Maybe it's been that way for a while and no one noticed?
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:13 PM
maybe. It isn't something I normally pay attention to unless I'm in a room with a LOT of activity.
 
Catija
Catija
I'm sort of surprised that it doesn't have a "go to last read option like the "go to my last message" option.
 
Shog9
Shog9
so, apparently the way this works is, when the page loses focus it tracks the last message you might've seen; when you return, it adds a catchup-marker
 
Catija
Catija
as opposed to a ketchup marker.
 
Shog9
Shog9
At the same time, it turns all catchup-marker-1 entries to catchup-marker-2 entries, -2 entries to -3 entries and -3 entries it removes.
So the speed at which they "fade" is determined by how often you flip to/from the chat
 
Catija
Catija
Ah, so it is supposed to fade.
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:17 PM
of course, reloading the page or switching rooms removes all of them
 
Catija
Catija
So, if I'm switching between tabs constantly, they should pop up frequently.
 
Shog9
Shog9
which is probably why I don't usually notice them: I keep one tab open per chat server and switch between rooms or open/close tabs.
 
Catija
Catija
So switching a tab doesn't count as losing focus?
Oh, I see... never mind.
I have one tab for each room... and never reload the pages.
 
Shog9
Shog9
ah. You should see them all the time then.
 
Catija
Catija
I think the logic for it is sort of odd. The line is always/usually immediately above something I've posted... but certainly I've read what I posted myself...
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:20 PM
Well, no matter - thanks for encouraging me to look up the behavior of a feature I've known about for years but never paid any attention to
In other news, I've become convinced that IPS is actually a religion site
which is a huge relief
 
Catija
Catija
@Shog9 Or at least a "morality" site.
 
Shog9
Shog9
granted, it's the secular equivalent of combining Islam, Hinduism, and Anglican Christianity... but still, there's at least something of a roadmap.
@Catija no, it can't really be that.
And yes, I know there are a couple of people who want it to be.
 
Catija
Catija
I think what I really balk at with that description is that, as an atheist, one of the things I find most annoying is when non-athiests assume that we can't have morals because we're not ascribing to some religious text that tells us the appropriate way to act.
@Shog9 If you've read the comments on the question apaul's quote comes from, I think it's obvious that's not my goal... but I just had two questions in a row asking us to define whether a certain type of action was offensive... and that's not really something I think we can do there.
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Catija no, I mean it can't be a site about morality because that implies there's a single objective morality. It's the same reason that the Islam site can't be dedicated to settling once and for all who's right: Shia or Sunni, or the Christianity site deciding that JWs aren't really Christian.
You can't have a site for questions that are inherently tied to culture and belief and simultaneously say that only one of them is right and answers from all the other perspectives are wrong, even when addressing questions from folks in the "wrong" culture.
 
Catija
Catija
@Shog9 But, to an extent, we do... we regularly delete answers that get heavily downvoted as bad advice... which is often just advice people don't agree with on a moral level.
If someone asked a question about women's rights, even in a place where that's not really part of their culture, it's likely that an answer from the culture saying "women have no rights" would be downvoted because many users want to pressure the rights of women on all cultures.
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:29 PM
@Catija yeah. That was one of the earliest hurdles to clear on most of the religion sites. Mostly it boils down to clearly delineating which sect or tradition is being asked about, but there's a more subtle aspect (which never goes away) and that's policing answers that try to proselytize: answer a JW question with an explanation of why JW is wrong, etc.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Shog9 foundationism!
 
Shog9
Shog9
@JourneymanGeek I was gonna say "Colonialism is a proven solution here" but then I remembered it wasn't.
 
Catija
Catija
@Shog9 I think we're trying to do the latter... but getting people to say what culture they belong to - and even getting the users to agree to pressure askers for that information - is a struggle that I don't think we've met... and when users do try to pressure for the information, like hamlet, they end up giving up and leaving or get attacked by fellow users for trying to get the information.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Shog9 fictional religion in b5
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Catija and the question would be downvoted because how dare they ask about such a terrible culture in the first place. Yeah, I know - that's where it takes more'n a few phrases in the help center to get past this; Islam & Christianity both took years to get even the basics nailed down, and it's still an ongoing battle for lots of newcomers.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
11:32 PM
The idea that every religion has a core of truth but we're so wrapped up in society we forget who we are
 
Shog9
Shog9
Ah, I never watched that show
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@rene yeah but now he's upset with me... :(
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Ah. It's kinda what keeps me grounded when thoughts get too dark :p
Kinda ironically I suppose
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Catija because it's thankless, at least until there's critical mass. Y'all had an example earlier - something with a bikini - where folks were happily posting answers even while the request for clarification sat there unaddressed. Who cares if the asker gets useful info when you can write stuff!
And to be fair, it is a lot more fun when you can just answer anything. Even on religion sites.
Having to know something about what you're answering is a real downer.
^ voice of experience
 
Catija
Catija
@Shog9 Yeah... that one was troublesome. The edit history got a bit scary... I tried to rescue it somewhat.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
11:36 PM
Opinions are like assholes.... :p. Everyone has one. They sometimes stink, and just cause you exercise it dosen't mean you're full of shit :p
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
Bikini?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Opinions are like assholes.... :p. Everyone has one. They sometimes stink, and just cause you exercise it dosen't mean you're not full of shit :p
 
Shog9
Shog9
Atoll
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Shog9 ... So just like meta?
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Journeyman dupe alert
delete one
And check your connection... ;)
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:38 PM
@Catija Also, it's more'n just badgering askers. You gotta want that info so you can actually help them. It's about internalizing that goal.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
IPS has two interesting factors. Questions are either trivial or trainwrecks... And people are nosy
 
Catija
Catija
@Shog9 So "the question is all" and right now we're in the "the answer is all" phase... we need to want the questions to be good before we want to write answers.
@JourneymanGeek Every site has trivial questions... and should. That's how you get the depth of knowledge... sort of like that SO question about finding the max number in a list... if you assume that everyone should already know what "max()" does, you'd never have the question because it's obvious...
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Catija but trivial questions... Often arn't and they're tempting for the quick/Blaise answer
 
Catija
Catija
@JourneymanGeek ... so you just changed the goal posts on me... when you say "trivial or trainwrecks" you have to mean actually are trivial or I can't really respond.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Catija which users do when a trivial question isn't :p
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:44 PM
@Catija it's like I was saying to Magisch earlier: you want good answers. The questions are important only to the extent that they enable that. But... You can certainly end up with a lot of bad answers on bad questions, and if folks are champing at the bit to just post something that never bodes well for getting something thoughtful and informative.
 
Anonymous
Saw this new "Iota" site and took a look at the thing.
 
Anonymous
> As the first extensible module of the IOTA core, MAM enables nodes to exchange data through the Tangle, fully authenticated and encrypted. This means that your devices can transmit valuable and sensitive data with quantum-proof security through the Tangle, ready to be analyzed later.
 
Anonymous
Set off my bullshit alarms.
 
Anonymous
But looked in a bit further, and it looks like all of its claims are substantiated, with a seemingly-reasonable design.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Catija on the other hand... What about the equivalent of a lack of research question?
 
Anonymous
11:46 PM
So maybe not one of the countless useless entrants in this space.
 
Catija
Catija
I don't know how to fight the absurdity of so many questions getting 5 - 10 answers... half of which are just "this sounds good in my head" answers. I struggle because I have to balance one site that will accept any answer that even remotely addresses the question asked... with a site where, if we allowed that, I'd want to go and cry in a corner.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
I answered a question once which was literally turn off your numlock as an answer...
@Catija three options. Do. Nothing, the you're doing it wrong speech, or liberal application of question protection imo
 
Catija
Catija
@JourneymanGeek The problem is, if we want to attract etiquette questions, it's going to be difficult to find ones that haven't already been asked and answered by Emily Post.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Oo
Excellent? Maybe
 
Catija
Catija
@JourneymanGeek One of the things hamlet said at some point was that commenting on bad answers was not good... I don't remember the explanation.
Look at this one and the edit history: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/7558/…
 
Shog9
Shog9
11:51 PM
@Catija just about everything on SO is already documented... Somewhere
 
Catija
Catija
@Shog9 Right. I know. The point was, if we really require research from questions, a lot of those questions, like the one I just linked to, would never be asked.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Catija or critical thought. And that's not a bad thing
 

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