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12:00 AM

>@Catija It is Ok when there are "a few" downvotes, especially when outweighted by 9000 upvotes. But when you got a real bunch of DVs that you really don't deserve anymore, not only can it be frustrating, it is also actively harmful because it shows the score as very low to anyone who looks at the question.
I think, just outright clearing all the downvotes and applying a downvote from the Community might be enough.

Journeyman Geek

(also, not bad. -88 2 days ago from a deleted question ;p)

Catija

Oh, that Kylo Ren question?

Baskakov_Dmitriy

It makes people, for example, delete their downvoted questions and repost them instead of editing

Or just leave the site

The idea is that the "on hold" period should give a real chance to improve

Catija

... most people who ask bad questions don't ever try to fix them.

They usually just complain that we won't take their question as is.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija yes

@Baskakov_Dmitriy the former eventually results in a question ban

Catija

12:02 AM

Pretty quickly, too... if they only have bad questions.

Part of what SE is trying to do is to help new users post good questions before they post them in the first place. That would make fixing this irrelevant.

Journeyman Geek

6

A: What are the consequences for trying to upvote my own post couple of times?

Our systems detected this behavior and we have dispatched helicopters to your residence; please remain calm as our team comes to collect you. Once you've arrived at our facility you'll be given free espresso, a trackball and working space in our secure vote storage warehouse. If you believe that...

..... I nearly have coffee on my screen...

Catija

You're not allowed to find SE fun

Journeyman Geek

;p

also yay for editing out the autism reference.

People seem to use it as an excuse for everything. Its annoying.

Catija

Autism reference?

Oh, in the question.

Journeyman Geek

yup

I've nothing against people with autism. I just find that some folk kinda keep using it as an excuse for poor behavior. Its fine to be socially arkward or do slightly silly things. Justification isn't needed.

Jon Ericson

12:16 AM

Feels like the OP was pointing to a possible connections with obsessive-compulsive disorder. (But it would be better to call that spade OCD or somesuch.)

Catija

Hey @JonEricson :D

Journeyman Geek

@JonEricson which is also presumably fine. And not something I would judge someone fir

Baskakov_Dmitriy

@JourneymanGeek Depends on the amount of them

I have done it on RPG.SE, I do not have a question ban because those situations were a tiny minority

And will unlikely have

Catija

If it's your first 2-3 questions, it's pretty immediate. Once you have one good question down, it's a lot harder to get a ban.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

Yes, this suggestion is for users who 1) Have failed to write a good question/not to write a bad question 2) Are eager to work on this

The intent is to give them the right to change the question and not suffer much for it being originally bad

user202362

1:51 AM

crows/ravens are growing a family in neighbours backyard

Andrew T.

ergh, morning

user202362

they keep on cawing all the times, so annoying

Journeyman Geek

@Telkitty does it feel like... Murder?

user202362

yeah, a murder of a growing family of crows

Andrew T.

crows... cawing... monumental valley...

user202362

2:02 AM

Journeyman Geek

@AndrewT. MURRRRDEEEEERRRRRR

Andrew T.

2:28 AM

is 'coffeetea' pronounced as 'cavity'?

Journeyman Geek

2:47 AM

cats-catseverywhere cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/q/303778/135565

Andrew T.

wiki-ing the cat, seems due to genetic mutation...

otherwise, I'd suggest this SE site too

Journeyman Geek

Its kinda broad and specific

It might be better to ask what sort of illnesses and how to mitigate em

(or just get a dog. Dogs are awesome)

Andrew T.

woof 🐶

Catija

Is there an example of any type of creature not getting old and dying?

Journeyman Geek

pet rocks

more seriously...

@Catija some specific breeds have specific issues

Andrew T.

2:56 AM

the "not" only applies to "getting sick", not to "die naturally"

Journeyman Geek

hip dysplasia and arthritis on bigger dogs, skin issues with westies...

that frigging nasty thing that happens to cavs

Andrew T.

(I was confused when reading that the first time)

Journeyman Geek

Fun dog fact. Westie puppies have ears that flop naturally, so they wrap the ears in cardboard and tape so they stand up.

Catija

I know.

Journeyman Geek

(also, floppy eared westies are so adorable.)

user202362

2:58 AM

Amoeba

An amoeba (/əˈmiːbə/; rarely spelled amœba, US English spelled ameba; plural am(o)ebas or am(o)ebae /əˈmiːbiː/), often called amoeboid, is a type of cell or organism which has the ability to alter its shape, primarily by extending and retracting pseudopods. Amoebas do not form a single taxonomic group; instead, they are found in every major lineage of eukaryotic organisms. Amoeboid cells occur not only among the protozoa, but also in fungi, algae, and animals. Microbiologists often use the terms "amoeboid" and "amoeba" interchangeably for any organism that exhibits amoeboid movement. In old...

user202362

doesn't really die of old age

Andrew T.

@Telkitty kill it with paramecium!

Catija

Floppy eared dogs are adorable... my mom had a giant schnauzer with uncropped ears.

Andrew T.

Floppy eared humans...

Journeyman Geek

cropping/docking is terrible :(

user202362

3:01 AM

The average life-span of an amoeba is little more than two days. But because they reproduce by dividing (or fission), amoebas are more or less immortal.

Journeyman Geek

3:43 AM

boredpanda.com/handmade-miniature-art-japanese-artist-kiyomi

this is pretty damned impressive

Andrew T.

@JourneymanGeek Arrietty will surely love it (and I'm as impressed as you're)

Journeyman Geek

who?

Catija

Arrietty

Arrietty, titled The Borrower Arrietty (Japanese: 借りぐらしのアリエッティ, Hepburn: Kari-gurashi no Arietti) in Japan and The Secret World of Arrietty in North America, is a 2010 Japanese animated fantasy film produced by Studio Ghibli and directed by Hiromasa Yonebayashi as his feature film debut as a director. The novel was adapted as a screenplay by Hayao Miyazaki and Keiko Niwa, based on The Borrowers by Mary Norton, an English author of children's books, about a family of tiny people who live secretly in the walls and floors of a typical household, borrowing items from humans to survive. The film stars...

Journeyman Geek

3:58 AM

Ahh

user202362

Took this a few minutes ago

Catija

4:15 AM

What is it?

user202362

Brush turkey vs cat

Andrew T.

(aka. "lunch")

user202362

‘Lunch’ walking on sharp claws

Catija

That still doesn't clarify which of the two is dining.

user202362

Lunch ... at different places ...

rene

5:39 AM

→ 7 messages moved to Chimney

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title: Trembolex Ultra - Consume Fat Faster To Get Ripped by codymejia on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title: Focus ZX1 is portrayed by the maker by Francisoore on graphicdesign.SE

SmokeDetector

5:57 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +2 more: greentoneproblog.net/healthy-bloom-cbd/ by Bhtzsloi on astronomy.SE

SmokeDetector

7:13 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: How to activate HBO GO on Amazon Fire TV/Fire TV Stick? by activatehbo on askubuntu.com

Andrew T.

8:07 AM

so many visible deleted users on this question...

How can we manage our adult son taking back an item we confiscated, without our knowledge, when he has moved out? -- Parenting.SE

Journeyman Geek

cv-plzhttps://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303788/permalinks-subcatego‌ries-is-not-display-on-woocoomerce-product-page

Travis J

@AndrewT. Perhaps there was a connection.

That would be a good April Fools post, to answer from the perspective of the deleted user's son.

Journeyman Geek

ehh.

sounds like the schnanigans at wp.se

where someone kept posting improbable stories, which were even stranger in context

or the guy in travel.se who wanted to pray on an airplane, fly with a large gold brick, and a demiled bazooka...

Travis J

Sometimes, I wonder, how did these people survive this long?

I guess the world is so tepid now that it is easy for people to abuse the whole common good theme.

Andrew T.

@JourneymanGeek sorry, I can't help reading that as "schengen (visa) at WordPress.SE"...

but yeah, WorldBuilding.SE with its shenanigans...

Journeyman Geek

8:35 AM

;p

Travis J

@JourneymanGeek delv-pls is not display meta.stackexchange.com/q/303788/178816 /cc @sha @bart @rene @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

is delvote

Travis J

:D

I wrecked by bicycle on accident today :(

Ripped the entire rear derailleur off jumping over an orange road cone of all things.

Journeyman Geek

Oo

user202362

use the rest 2 wheels to build a cart, then get a husky to pull it

Travis J

8:48 AM

Wow, good for you. A husky-propelled cart? Now that is thinking outside of the box.

user202362

this is thinking outside of a box, I was thinking more along the line of getting chickens to pull me

user202362

poor guy and those lazy chickens

Travis J

He is trying to make breakfast.

user202362

@_@

user202362

8:50 AM

saving ~~fridge~~ electricity bill

Travis J

Gotta make that money, you know how it is

user202362

Travis J

OMG they've formed a legitimate town

Andrew T.

bring the sleigh!...bob

Travis J

Only two at a time... gonna need more bobs....

user202362

8:53 AM

I have a thing against birds that walk instead of flying

user202362

especially the ones what run away instead of flying away

Travis J

So, what, you get back at them by eating them? You're sick.

Andrew T.

shh.. she's a kitty

Travis J

I thought that I had escaped Cyber Monday, until Amazon informed me that it is now... Cyber Tuesday. ugh

The clickbait is real.

user202362

I get sms from this pizza place that has a daily special every day

Andrew T.

8:57 AM

@Telkitty I believe there's a meaning behind that... probably something like "help me!" behind all those promos...

Travis J

Or maybe it was the pizza guru, who's secret message was that the pizza be the "one with everything".

<.< >.>

user202362

@AndrewT. "help me to make profit" probably

user202362

@TravisJ maybe if you don't have a dog, you can try to train your cat to pull the cart?

Travis J

I have a dog. And a cat. I could train the cat to drive the dog perhaps. He is the more dominant one of the two.

user202362

as long as you don't have to pull the cart with both your cat and dog on it

Travis J

9:09 AM

Dog is so lazy, maybe if I like tied a hot dog to a fishing pole.

Derpy

one day later, the abusive user is still there. Any way to have it burinated faster?

Travis J

Where?

Derpy

17 hours ago, by Derpy

@balpha burinate user, please

^ also already reported via self-flag

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy nuked the user on SU.

Nog Shine

WTH.. there are these type of users too? nuke them!

Derpy

9:15 AM

bet this one needs burination too, but I am not following the link.

and another one here

This brings up two things:

Travis J

There are more?

Derpy

I am just looking at the first page of users, ordered by creation date.

Travis J

I also used a custom flag for the user @Derpy. Did you raise it here at MSE?

Derpy

Yep

Travis J

Hm, flag delays at MSE? We need a community moderator :P

Journeyman Geek

9:19 AM

lol

Derpy

BTW, to be clear... I am NOT searching for those actively. If I were, I bet I would find a lot more. I am just keeping an eye on the first user page and pointing out the most evident ones

Journeyman Geek

We have several thousand users we'd like gone on SU

Derpy

Which brings us to the original question.

Travis J

Oh, so you aren't looking for users offering escort services @Derpy? I find that hard to believe.

Every time I look away from the clock it changes. Starting to think that there is a conspiracy afoot to waste all my time.

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ self deleted... o_o

Derpy

9:22 AM

@TravisJ Nope, I am just searching for names to add to the "Great Notebook of Burination"

Travis J

@ShadowWizard What?! Magic!

Shadow Wizard

Mar 31 '16 at 12:34, by Shadow Wizard

@rene true, average time for my flags is 2 months, and I have about 10 flags which still wait, more than 3 months. I kind of stopped even hoping a custom flag will get any attention, doing it out of pure habit. /cc @Pandya

And now with much less employees, it's likely even worse.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard not really sure more employees would help there

without a business case for it

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek more CM's, more people with time to handle those flags.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard well, there's no shortage of decent candidates, but someone higher up clearly needs to go "damn, we need more CMs"

and some of the issues probably need dev level attention anyway

Travis J

9:26 AM

I would assume Oded handled quite a lot of flags at MSE. Could be wrong.

Derpy

mumble. I could create a chat room "Pending Burination" and just post the usernames there. If Shog or balpha notice it they could just delete them when they have some spare time. Or need 5 minutes relaxing.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek CM can summon a dev... and I suspect some devs take a look in the flag queue directly.

Andrew T.

Flag is now a second-class citizen, oh wait...

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ yeah, pretty sure he did. And look where this got him.... :/

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I actually think 'basic' SE flag handling might be community handleable

profiles are something no one seems to have thought of looking at, and that specific post did have a deleted/flagged post on SU so I suspect those just fall into the cracks

Derpy

9:29 AM

Anyway, since it seem we have a lot of spam accounts, how should I report them? Flagging every single one would only clog the queue.

Travis J

Have you tried yoga?

Shadow Wizard

TL;DR of what you talk about? @Derpy @Trav

Andrew T.

should be possible to be summed up 3 messages after this

Shadow Wizard

oh, this?

Travis J

@ShadowWizard Sultry MSE profiles

Shadow Wizard

9:31 AM

33

Q: Spam Profiles are getting my goat. Could we have better tools for mods to deal with profile spam?

SU got hit by another batch of spammers creating profiles. Last time it was streaming. Now it's insurance sales... with phone numbers. I have 160+ pages of users from that search, and a quick look suggests most of em are spammers While the powers at be have been taking action, both directly and...

huh lol

Journeyman Geek

Well, I was actually looking at a way of getting rid of them en masse

Derpy

and jep, @JourneymanGeek question was the reason I was checking in the first place

Andrew T.

will SE data center explode if users are spam-creating new accounts?

Travis J

nope

not even a remote chance of that happening

Andrew T.

brain implode

Derpy

9:38 AM

@RobertCartaino Google bot is paging through those listings, and indexing them (which is the whole point of these profiles; stuffing keywords in there so that search for those words leads to phone numbers). If Google starts thinking of SU as a keyword-stuffing spammy site, that won't help SU's search rankings. — 6' white male 17 hours ago

Travis J

greatest chance of esploding comes from overwhelming the physical layer of the osi

(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_layer)

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ it might if there will be like 1000000000 new accounts created

> Fatal Error: out of disk space

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard there's a shed load of em

Travis J

@ShadowWizard A trillion of them? Perhaps, but I highly doubt that would be allowed because of the amount of requests necessary. There would need to be some sort of sophisticated vector for that to work, and again would get back into the physical layer aspect where even if it were to work, it would probably result in a DDoS before it ran out of memory in the database.

Anyway, off to bed o/

Andrew T.

night :)

Derpy

9:53 AM

Winter Bash 2016 site taken down. Now it redirect to the usual promo page.

Shadow Wizard

10:05 AM

@Derpy lol, took them almost a full year.

winterbash2017.stackexchange.com is still a panda though.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard .... they always bring the old site down just before the new ones goes online.

They claim they will do it before, but most of the time they wait. And that's for the best, why remove it when it is not needed?

Journeyman Geek

\o/

Applied somewhere. They got in touch about a phone interview

Andrew T.

@ShadowWizard panda hat

@JourneymanGeek good luck, all the best!

Shadow Wizard

10:34 AM

@JourneymanGeek good luck, all the best!

Journeyman Geek

10:56 AM

Less time for meta, presumably ;p

But not a bad thing, all in all.

M.A.R.

11:11 AM

@JourneymanGeek good luck, all the best!

Derpy

11:35 AM

......

Journeyman Geek

12:52 PM

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303796/…

Andrew T.

1:08 PM

morning...

Derpy

1:33 PM

Mediamolecule's Dreams is going to be present in some form at PSX on Dec, 8th? Nice

just hoping it isn't another "closed beta starting in 2041" thing.

they are getting on Peria Chronicles level.

Andrew T.

Ugh, PlayStation eXperience. I thought PSX the console and like HUH O_O

Jenna Sloan

@AndrewT. I though PSX meant Phillips 66

Derpy

hope that game can cough up some very random exploration. Won't probably be anything even close to the original PS1 (Lucid Sweet Dream) Simulator but still hoping it will be weird.

Andrew T.

1:49 PM

heh... I was trying to finish watching a speedrun of LSD (100 days) and fell asleep

Derpy

I think Dream simulator isn't the type of game that really works if you just watch it.

And a speedrun? The purpose of the game is getting you lost in a random generated world that gets weirder as you play on.

Sometime I wonder what the game could be if they remade it today

imagine: No Man Sky crossed with Dream Simulator...

Stijn

2:03 PM

@AndrewT. that sounds really weird when you don't know LSD stands for Lucid Sweet Dream :p

Derpy

@Stijn and that is probably intentional since it doesn't even "stand" for Lucid Sweet Dream.

every time you start the game, the title screen shows a different meaning for the acronym.

Stijn

just watched a video, what a strange game :p

Derpy

if you can call it a game.

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn this?

Journeyman Geek

ooh

there's a new review icon

Its not butt ugly <3. Nice work guys!

Derpy

2:16 PM

@ShadowWizard yep, that's the game. And if that seems creepy enough imagine if it was done today, with real randomly generated content and creatures.

Stijn

@ShadowWizard no, I watched bits and pieces of this

Andrew T.

@Derpy and PSVR

Derpy

@AndrewT. to be clear - this (WARNING: hell planet) is a planet that was found in No Man Sky. A game that doesn't try to be scary. Now imagine if the game was made on purpose to create scenarios like this one and you may have a vague idea of what Dream Emulator could look in "downer mode" if it was released today.

Andrew T.

all I know is it will be epic

user315433

6:09 PM

A pro tem mod is wanted at History

user315433

In this case, History repeats not itself, but Startups, where a similar thread had no visible effect.

user315433

And there might be a new beta later today, iota.

Adam Lear

@6'whitemale yeah, I'm going through the launch steps right now

user315433

\o/ been a while (117 days)

user315433

There can never be enough "omg my transaction went wrong" or "how to get rich quick" posts about various cryptocurrencies.

user315433

6:35 PM

-7

A: Matrix operations using classes

How the hell your teacher could taught you oops concept with in two months becuase you saided yourself that you have only two months(less than 2 months into C++).You have only a experience two month into C++ programming ?

user315433

Does it really take that long to learn the oops concept?

Stijn

7:42 PM

@AdamLear I've been wondering, what does the community team think of the DevOps beta? I only visited it for a week or so, hoped to learn a great deal from reading the questions, but it seemed like half of them were "how do I do X in Jenkins".

Adam Lear

@Stijn No idea, sorry. I haven't done any CM work in like 3 years. :) @Shog9 might have an answer for ya, though.

Stijn

@AdamLear oh right, sorry :p I thought CMs launched the sites, hence my assumption.

Adam Lear

They do ultimately decide which proposals go through to beta. I'm just here to push the necessary buttons to create the databases, etc. :)

Shog9

@6'whitemale OO is like Scientology: anyone can join, but you don't get the real juicy info without years of paying for audits.

@Stijn because that's what folks struggle with. See also: Xcode questions

Stijn

@Shog9 heh :) I guess I went in with wrong expectations, was expecting something more like the Software Engineering site.

Shog9

7:56 PM

There is some of that, but yeah - lotta gritty questions. Which is ok.

rene

delv-pls 20K CO meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303801/… (needs 1 more) /cc @JourneymanGeek @ShadowWizard @bart

Travis J

what about me? :P

I was hoping that Journeyman was in here =/ I wonder if Resubnetting is on topic for super user.

@6'whitemale "Everything is an object" is pretty much all of it, then you know oops.

rene

@TravisJ ah, sorry. I assumed it would be a few hours still before you would be online.

Travis J

8:14 PM

I keep odd hours. Never sure when I will be on or off :D

rene

I'll keep that in mind

Anonymous

9:11 PM

37

Q: Page for editing a deleted post for users with less than 10k reputation

When a user with less than 10k reputation* tries to directly access the edit page of a post that's been removed, this message appears: This post is deleted and cannot be edited. And it looks like this: Update: Same page is shown for unregistered users. Should this be changed to somet...

feature-request edits deleted-questions deleted-answers

Anonymous

free MSE rep for a one-line change

bluefeet

@JeremyBanks no rep on MSO :O

Anonymous

oh booo

Catija

I was so excited when I edited something on SO last week... I'd finally gotten more than 101 rep... and then the post was deleted.

user315433

9:27 PM

If the design team can produce 12 review-looking icons, rotating them according to months of the year might keep up the clicks on Review. And maybe include seasonal colors in the buttons, even if it makes Antipodes unhappy.

user315433

I know even less about Scientology than about OOP...

rene

@AdamLear could that be causing disruption for the favicons-sprite.png? Reported here but I'm not seeing it.

Adam Lear

yeah

I'll have someone in SRE kick the CDN caches, thanks

rene

np

Stijn

@rene also on MSO

rene

9:39 PM

Yeah, that is bound to happen.

Adam Lear

@Stijn thanks for responding there :)

Stijn

you're welcome

Shog9

10:04 PM

@6'whitemale essentially, it is the belief that all of your problems are caused by subconsciously held beliefs that, once purged, will leave you able to shape your life, work, perhaps even reality itself at will such that things will just work. And if they don't, you're doing it wrong and should pay someone to correct you.

That's OOP; Scientology is similar, but with more ancient aliens

Adam Lear

@Shog9 Ah, so it's SCRUM then.

Shog9

None of this should be confused with object-oriented programming languages, which are just fancy namespacing tools. You can use them to good effect as long as you ignore the associated cult.

@AdamLear gotta be honest, I never understood SCRUM at all. I blame it on my lack of interest in sports.

John Dvorak

@6'whitemale any reason why not to send Australians the icons with a 6-month offset?

Shog9

Used to know a guy who'd talk about scrum all the time, and then he told a story about shattering his elbow in a match and I decided that waterfall sounded more peaceful.

Catija

10:21 PM

One of my coworkers played Rugby... he's in constant pain and suffering from lots of injuries.

Jon Ericson

One of my coworkers used C++... same thing.

Catija

:D

John Dvorak

I often play with Ruby. No injuries so far, even though I seriously strained my brain once.

Catija

This guy is in his late 50s now... and played in competitive leagues... even gone to tournaments...

I don't know how old you are... but... I'm guessing not that old.

user202362

11:53 PM

@JonEricson tell me a part of Stackoverflow is not re-written in C++ for speed enhancement

Jon Ericson

@Telkitty This was at a previous job. We had some perfectly good C code and this guy thought it would be better to modernize.

I also once pitched in to help on a project that needed thousands of object models to meet some requirement. It was all pointless busywork and we lost the contract anyway.

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