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Oded

5:04 PM

Diamonds are (not) forever

Stars, however, seem to last a little longer ;)

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Anonymous

Discord and Slack still don't do replies well.

Anonymous

I want Channels Chat.

Mithrandir

o_o

Journeyman Geek

hah

rene

@JeremyBanks does it offer that?

Journeyman Geek

5:06 PM

@JeremyBanks no one does replies like SE chat

Well other than clones. ;p

Anonymous

It doesn't offer anything yet.

Magisch

@TimPost Layoffs at stack?

:o

Anonymous

I transferred the domain stack.chat to my Corp google domains account. Not sure what'll happen to it now. I dreamed there might one day be a product worth giving that to.

Magisch

Jeremy and Oded nooooo

:(((

Mithrandir

@JeremyBanks currently that redirects to chat.meta.stackexchange.com

HA

chat.meta.stackexchange.com/…

redirects to internal chat

Anonymous

5:09 PM

Oded was let go? What the fuck?. I gotta go figure out who all is gone.

Magisch

D:

Oded

@JeremyBanks - I blame interactions with Shadow Wizard.

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Adam Lear

@JeremyBanks @Oded <3

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Shog9

@JeremyBanks same. Lotta picking up pieces here for a little while

Oded

I'd help pick 'em up, but...

Magisch

5:11 PM

This is a sad day for stack exchange

Mithrandir

indeed

@Oded ah, gallows humor

Shog9

FWIW, it's been a rare pleasure to work with both Oded and Jeremy. I'm super jealous of whoever gets to work with them next

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JNat

word

Anonymous

Shog for CEO.

Mithrandir

@JeremyBanks I've been staring at stackoverflow.com/company/team but unfortunately I haven't memorized it

@JeremyBanks *runs to check of Joel still has a diamond*

bluefeet

5:13 PM

@JeremyBanks @Oded 😢

Oded

<3

Anonymous

❤️

Magisch

Here's hoping both of you will find something nice soon @JeremyBanks @Oded

Shog9

As a general observation today... We're saying goodbye to several Tavern regulars who we were extremely blessed to have a chance to get to know as co-workers... And it was exactly as good as their public interactions here would suggest. May the wheel always show you favor!

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Oded

Personally, I'm taking a long (and long deserved) break.

Joe Friend

5:16 PM

@Oded Good plan! When you decide to look for your next thing, let me know if I can help.

Mithrandir

you here @Desire?

Magisch

Wait Joe, did you have a diamond at some point?

Joe Friend

@JeremyBanks Same goes for you

Mithrandir

@Magisch no, he only has one on Stack Overflow

Joe Friend

Correct

Mithrandir

5:18 PM

he's not a CM or Q&A dev so no everywhere diamond

Magisch

So you're still here :)

Nice

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir as I understand it, even CM diamonds are as needed.

But I suppose they are, a lot

JNat

@JourneymanGeek Nope, CMs get diamonds on all sites upon hire — I had to register for 130+ sites on my first day ;P

Mithrandir

I think Tim may be the only exception though

Magisch

Isn't tim like a super CM

the CM team lead?

Mithrandir

5:20 PM

...and Joel

Journeyman Geek

@JNat and more ;p

@Mithrandir Joel's not really a super CM ;p

Arguably Jeff wasn't either even if we saw him a loooot in the early days

Magisch

joel probably has a diamond because there is nobody in the company that could decide he shouldn't have

Journeyman Geek

@JNat 0_0

Magisch

and because the whole trust thing doesn't really apply for CEOs in the same way

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch eh - or founder ;p

JNat

5:21 PM

@JourneymanGeek ^

Journeyman Geek

Jeff probably can get his diamonds back when he wants em ;p

Anonymous

Thanks @joe.

Journeyman Geek

@JNat hah. Manually?

JNat

Oh yeah :P

Journeyman Geek

Joy ;p

(But I suppose worth it!)

JNat

5:23 PM

indeed

Journeyman Geek

and presumably someone had to flip the switch on all of em too

JNat

That would be on the account level, not on the profile level, I believe

so a single switch would be needed

Journeyman Geek

ah

Adam Lear

@JNat it's per-profile, but there's a dev route that kicks it off

JNat

ah

there you go, then

Magisch

5:25 PM

@JNat Or a prodcedure that does something like updating all sub-users with the flag at once

Anonymous

Joe may have gotten off on the wrong foot on meta but he's learned a ton since then and does have a pretty good grip on the community's concerns. I remain more optimistic about the sites direction now than I was a year ago; I think things are turning in the right direction.

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Journeyman Geek

@JeremyBanks meta is hard

Mithrandir

meta is murder

Shog9

people are... uh, difficult

Journeyman Geek

Well, meta is vaguely politics ;p

Adam Lear

5:26 PM

Unfortunately, as you probably already know, people

Tweeted by Horse_ebooks on July 25, 2012 at 7:41 AM

Magisch

meta is fickle

Journeyman Geek

and people

@Magisch eh, you do ok once you figure it out

Magisch

Yeah but we (you and i) don't have to defend company decisions

Journeyman Geek

lol

Catija

:( I didn't even know y'all that well and I'm sad. I hope you don't become complete strangers.

Magisch

5:27 PM

I can choose not to comment if my opinion is wildly unpopular

Journeyman Geek

There's that!

Magisch

A CM ... doesn't have that luxury

Journeyman Geek

But I think I've done it a few times, and got downvoted

Magisch

informing the community and engaging is their job

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch well, that's what mods do, on a smaller scale

Magisch

5:28 PM

is neither a mod nor a cm

Mithrandir

hope you'll still be active on Science Fiction & Fantasy @JeremyBanks

Journeyman Geek

(which is why a bunch of em are former mods)

Magisch

My opinion on meta matters just as much as any other non-high-rep user's

Mithrandir

although how you got 1k+ rep with 2 questions and 2 answers is beyond me

Magisch

on a certain level, that is pretty liberating.

Journeyman Geek

5:29 PM

@Magisch Its actually not about reputation. To a certain extent, its about finding your voice, and tailoring it to your audience

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek People do care less if you don't have a lot of rep

Journeyman Geek

or in a sense, the soft skills ;p

Magisch

I've had success on meta by trying to be honest and nice

which is something that only works on stack. On almost any other internet community, being too nice will get you torn apart

rene

@JourneymanGeek not those skills again ...

Catija

I have it on good authority that people on meta are mean.

Oded

5:31 PM

@JoeFriend will do - thanks!

rene

@Catija yes, thanks.

Journeyman Geek

@rene hah. I almost want to dig up my taken parody again

Magisch

@Catija people on ips meta were pretty nice...

Journeyman Geek

@Catija sure. But that's half the fun

Catija

@Magisch we're specialists.

^ joke.

Magisch

5:34 PM

Heh

The IPS moderators definitely try hard

Catija

IPS users are quite often lacking in IPS.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija if they had good IPS they wouldn't need to ask random strangers

Catija

@Magisch two of them are great. That Catija person has no clue, though.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija some are born mods. Some are thrust into it. Others stumble into it face first... ;p

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Pretty sure that's not how the Shakespeare goes...

Journeyman Geek

5:36 PM

It does in the orginal Klingon

Catija

I thought that only the tragedies were from Klingon.

Sklivvz

6:11 PM

@Oded @JeremyBanks and all the friends at Stack Overflow. My thoughts are with you.

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Oded

<3

Sklivvz

That said: I'm still expecting winterbash hats this year.

Mithrandir

yasss

so am I

although I can't see where they'll go with this newfangled stopbar

Oded

I fear my earlier willingness to work on haberdashery has come to naught.

Shog9

@Sklivvz there'll be hats. Many hats. On fewer heads, but still... Hats.

Sklivvz

6:18 PM

If you can't afford to develop them, we can crowdsource them on meta and let Nick Craver optimize them later

Shog9

Someone suggested this might be a good year to revive favorite hats from past years, which... Ain't a terrible suggestion.

Magisch

@Shog9 Is the finance situation really that bad?

Shog9

@Magisch eh... I'm not really qualified to talk about that.

Magisch

oh right, sorry

shouldn't have asked

Shog9

It's fine

We're not closing up shop or doing anything crazy-desperate.

Which is presumably what you're most concerned about.

Magisch

6:23 PM

@Shog9 You bet, this website is my favorite hobby by now

:/

Sklivvz

When I said "if you can't afford them" I was merely trying to lighten the mood folks. I have no inside information

Tim Stone

@Shog9 You're not selling your own line of beer as an additional source of revenue?

Are you sure?

Shog9

I need it all for myself

Don't judge

Oded

It is the early investment in waffles that's caused the current situation. Must be.

rene

The waffle bubble is busted ...

Oded

6:32 PM

Bits of batter everywhere...

Tim Stone

@Shog9 Given that this means we don't get any I certainly will!

Shog9

Oh fine. Stop on by and I'll share. A little.

Sklivvz

I still need to stop by in Colorado. I miss you Shog :-D

Tim Stone

@Shog9 Excellent

Shog9

@Sklivvz Yes. We didn't get to do a brewery tour at the meetup

Bart

6:55 PM

Holy carp. I stumbled upon a big bad news day I see. So sorry for everyone involved.

SmokeDetector

7:08 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: Remote neural monitoring by Robert Horney on sound.SE

Sklivvz

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ I'm starting to put together an actual list of people, and I'm speechless. So so so sorry

Anonymous

💚

Jon Ericson

7:32 PM

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ So I recently learned that's a table flip and not a field goal celebration. Suddenly a lot of things make a lot more sense.

Tweeted by jlericson on September 21, 2017 at 9:03 PM

Sklivvz

hah

canon

:/

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

PUT THAT BACK!

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

Jon Ericson

@Sklivvz I talked to someone who was let go today and they mentioned starting a Facebook group for alumni. I'll put you in contact with them, if you want.

canon

they meet at the Atwood unibomber shack

Sklivvz

Sure thang

canon

7:37 PM

holy crap he blogged about blogging about blogging...

it's blogception.... from like... 2009

Mithrandir

metablogging

canon

metaⁿblogging

Can we still have whatshisface ping Oded directly about site stuff? :/

Shadow Wizard

Huh?

Mithrandir

What huh?

canon

There was a guy we had here in the tavern who was pinging Oded multiple times a day... for stuff that didn't really need his involvement.

I ended up ignoring that user; so, I can't recall his name.

Shadow Wizard

7:53 PM

@Sklivvz just use the backdoor you left, push your code to prod, and we will all enjoy! 😉

canon

Oh, it was Sagar V

does that sound right? I think it was him.

@ShadowWizard heh

Shadow Wizard

@canon ohhh, SagarV. He renamed like 100 times since then, lol.

canon

I've only got one person on my ignore list and it's "Optimus Prime"

I thought, that can't be right... he's like a robot king.

Shadow Wizard

Generally speaking, we can ping the devs about bugs, but rule #1 is to not bug them. One time and that is it. No response is the expected response, so in case of actual response we can rejoice. :-)

Mithrandir

pun totally intended?

Shadow Wizard

7:57 PM

Sure

@canon yup that is his last incarnation.

But he learned his lessons, he stopped fooling around

jadarnel27

1 hour ago, by Bart

Holy carp. I stumbled upon a big bad news day I see. So sorry for everyone involved.

Same here.

Shadow Wizard

@jadarnel27 why? :(

Mithrandir

4 hours ago, by Tim Post

Today was a rough day for us - you'll notice that some folks no longer have diamonds. We had to make some tough decisions and cuts in order to continue to advance toward some pretty critical business goals. While we're usually very open and public about our operations, please allow some privacy for folks that have been affected; the biggest thing for anyone to take away from realizing what happened is that we're taking exceptional care of the folks that had to leave us [1/2]

Oded

@Bart ❤

jadarnel27

@ShadowWizard Well you pinged me back here. Just in time for all the sad.

Best wishes to all you folks. Considering how awesome you are, I'm sure you'll find another great opportunity.

Shadow Wizard

8:00 PM

@jadarnel27 oh my missed that.

Oded

Thanks man. Appreciated.

You hiring?

Shadow Wizard

Must go now for a while will have lots to read later... @Oded one good thing is that you won't get pinged here anymore with bugs to fix.... ;) (aka thanks for all the ~~fish~~ bugs and good luck in your next job!)

Sklivvz

@ShadowWizard we can still ping him

Shadow Wizard

But not bug him about bugs...

So no fun. ;)

@Oded for how long did you know? Why didn't you say anything?

user315433

The only employees_array.pop() on the Community Team is Pops.

Mithrandir

8:06 PM

oh, @Desire, you're here

I wanted to talk to you

Are you available for a few minutes?

Sklivvz

@ShadowWizard we can also do that. and yes, they won't be fixed. So: just like now :-D

jadarnel27

@Oded we've actually recently done some downsizing ourselves.

Oded

@ShadowWizard I found out oh... 6-7 hours ago.

canon

employees_array.splice(0) :/

just start fresh

Oded

@jadarnel27 t'was but a joke

Sklivvz

8:09 PM

we should crowdsource a beer fund for ex-employees of Stack Overflow.

The fact I'm one is totally unrelated, of course

jadarnel27

@Oded I thought so =) But didn't want to be rude and assume haha.

Oded

You mean bacon fund.

Sklivvz

:-/ too soon

canon

beef as in cow or beef as in animosity... are we funding retaliation?

bummed for you guys, though. Good luck.

Sklivvz

beef as in beer*

Oded

8:11 PM

Wonder who gets the fun job of clearing out the employee page.

canon

your DAG robot, Joe "Friend"

Sklivvz

That's actually connected to bamboo hr ;-)

Anonymous

I think that's automated now.

Oded

Well... I am still there.

As is You, @JeremyBanks. And a bunch of others.

user315433

On the Design Team, it's only Jin as far as I can tell. (Some of them never had diamonds to begin with.)

Sklivvz

8:14 PM

@Oded caching

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Bart

Can't you all just show up for work and claim it's caching?

Sklivvz

I don't think that would guarantee a salary though

Bart

Caching != Cashing. Got it

rene

@Bart funny enough I know of one case at Fokker where that actual did work. They found out when the guy turned 65 ...

Bart

Hahaha

rene

8:21 PM

putting your employee badge into the prikklok was all that was needed.... for 4 years ...

user315433

In Engineering, I counted 8: Jeremy Banks, Andrew Brobston, Oded Coster, Adam Maras, Xavier Nicollet (SRE), Konamiman (used to be esSO pro tem mod), Steve Trout, Alex Warren.

user315433

I guess a pro tem mod doesn't get the diamond back if the site had an election since.

Sklivvz

It's up to @TimPost

Mithrandir

I am continually humbled by the extraordinary behavior of people I consider family past, present, and future.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on November 2, 2017 at 8:23 PM

Sklivvz

@Bart that's ka-ching!

user315433

8:28 PM

Two PMs: Sam (the) Brand and Brian Mak

angussidney

@Desire wait, pops is gone?

Oded

He is.

canon

This may be a morbid question... but are you guys using careers to look for jobs?

Sklivvz

Honestly there aren't many remote jobs on careers

canon

womp womp

Mithrandir

8:37 PM

...if Twitter can be trusted, Stack Overflow took a dive by 20% in employees today.

canon

I started working remotely in March of this year... first time ever. I don't know that I could go back to commuting to an office.

angussidney

@Mithrandir ouch

canon

@Mithrandir :/

Is this because we didn't support docs? :/

Oded

@canon too soon. Might take a look when my mind is in that place.

Adam Lear

@canon Nah, Docs were never a part of a monetization strategy.

Probably would've been eventually, but we never got to that point.

canon

8:44 PM

Ah, good. I'd have felt pretty guilty for turning my nose up at that.

Oded

Analysis did show that had you participated, @canon, Documentation wouldn't have been sunset.

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canon

lol

well, I was one of many

Oded

TBH - I didn't participate all that much either.

JohnP

@Oded - I tweeted, but I work at CVS Health - If there are any positions you (or others) would be interested in, get me job req #'s and I can at least ping the hiring manager.

Bart

I don't know why, but I now imagine a future of you all being picked up in various roles at Experts Exchange

Catija

8:48 PM

Don't think docs was an income source?

JohnP

@Oded - Also, the founder/ceo at turbine-labs is a fraternity brother. They don't have a career list on their page, but I pinged him for a list of openings.

Catija

@Bart Because it's never happened that people cease work at one company and go to work for (or create a new) company that do pretty much the same thing. :P

Bart

^ blasphemy

Oded

@JohnP - thanks for the ping, but if not in the UK / remote, probably not relevant.

@Bart trolololololololol

JohnP

@Oded Ah, yeah, US centrism raises its head again. :|

Oded

8:51 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

JohnP

Turbine would be potentially remote.

Also hit up Enderland, his company has locations in UK and others.

user315433

@Desire Correction for Design team: in addition to Jin, it's Stevie Boxall and Nohemi Olvera

user315433

A disturbing ELU question: Is sunsetted a valid word?

Catija

@Desire Is there one about "winningest" too?

user315433

Yes, in Words/expressions for achieving the most wins. However, Is “workingest” used as often and casually as “hardest working” and “the most hard working (or industrious)”? has a negative answer... have to draw a line somewhere.

Bart

8:59 PM

What is all this? "Trump's dictionary of the best words"?

user315433

bestest

Bart

Don't make me smite you

user315433

With your smitingest stick?

JohnP

@Desire Desiringest?

Bart

It will be the hurtiest thing you have ever experienced.

I think I made myself throw up a little

canon

9:12 PM

@Bart I thought the exact same thing earlier.

rene

Do I miss something with these retags: meta.stackexchange.com/q/302766/158100 ?

Bart

Nah, either "how dare you edit my tags" or simply trolling

Catija

@rene Attempt to get around you being able to dupe hammer by switching meta tag? :P

rene

That only needs 10 more answers from me, so better don't p*** me off now or I will post those 10 answers in 6 to 8 minutes ....

Bart

That question isn't even a markdown question for as far as I can tell. It's plainly off topic

Catija

9:25 PM

Though, it is a support issue... so?

Never mind, getting confused.

Bart

Doesn't look like it from the original question.

Catija

"Support" is for "how do I do this on SE" questions... that's literally a "how do I do this" question... right?

rene

@Bart ah, you're probably right

It is edited into a support question by others

Catija

> How do you change the font size (very important word) INLINE in markdown syntax?

How is that not a support question?

rene

Strangely enough it is now delete voteable ...

Bart

9:29 PM

@Catija where does the body match with that title?

Catija

@Bart meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/…

rene

@Catija but in rev 2 they seem to talk about a program. It is not all clear if they face the issue on any of the SE sites. They only have an account on MSE.

Catija

@rene Ah, I see what you're getting at. Hmmm. dunno.

rene

let's just delete it and steal the 30 rep from @JourneymanGeek

Catija

I can't. Sorry.

rene

9:36 PM

Get some rep, will you ...

Catija

If people would start serially upvoting me, this wouldn't be a problem... you ask so much!

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