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@Magisch you should see how game developers code things. They have special debug UIs that control all kinds of things in the game code, to aid debugging and support.

Magisch

@Oded No I mean on stack in particular

I know dev only UIs I'm a software dev myself and our ERP application has them

Oded

No more than being a dev anywhere else, though the community communication bits tend to be unique here.

Shadow Wizard

2:07 PM

@Oded makes sense, that would make it harder to track/reproduce bugs

Magisch

The behind the scenes of SE is probably one of the most interesting things out there

so much unique stuff to understand and read

rene

We have a debug UI in our platform. It crashes.

Oded

I actually think that being as transparent to the community as we are is one of the most interesting things in the job :)

@rene debug the debug ui?

rene

yeah ...

Oded

It is bugs all the way down

Magisch

2:08 PM

@Oded Maybe that's a chicken and egg thing

Oded

Could be

Magisch

I'm probably so interested in SE because the Devs and CMs are so transparent

on most sites I know absolutely nothing beyond what the UI tells me

Journeyman Geek

@Oded "employee mod" ?

So, any non CM, non dev employee?

(that's a new one.)

I wonder where SRE falls in there

Magisch

Permissions systems in my company are boring

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek if no diamond I think no special UI or permissions

Magisch

2:11 PM

There's the IT department, in which everyone has all access to everything and all the passwords, and then there's the rest

Where permissions are more granular

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch hah. That's about normal.

Oded

@JourneymanGeek someone who is an employee and also has a diamond. Most employees don't have diamonds.

Journeyman Geek

@Oded thought that was the case ;p

Magisch

@Oded Is there anything an employee can't do that a diamond can?

UI and action wise?

Shadow Wizard

Yeah, can't see any need for SE cook to have a diamond. :)

Journeyman Geek

2:12 PM

cause most of the mod/employees are designer types or SRE from what I remember.

Magisch

Or is it just what someone should do

Oded

Yeah, they can't do most things. Would be gated by rep, like everyone else.

Magisch

Even though they have the diamond?

Like the employee diamond?

Shadow Wizard

Joe Friend couldn't even edit, and suggested few edits on MSE. lol

Magisch

TIL

Journeyman Geek

2:14 PM

@ShadowWizard though in theory, Joe could have a diamond

he chooses not to

Oded

@JourneymanGeek most are sales, actually.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek but why?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard so he can grok the system

Oded

@Magisch most employees don't have a diamond.

Journeyman Geek

He isn't an SE insider

Shadow Wizard

2:14 PM

@JourneymanGeek but he needs the diamond to tag with mod tags

Journeyman Geek

@Oded hardly notice sales types around. Certainly not in the room that shall not be discussed.

Oded

It is indeed by his choice. He wants to learn the system and gain knowledge by doing.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard or just ask someone to help

Oded

@JourneymanGeek true. They don't usually interact on the sites/chat.

Magisch

@Oded So with "employee mod" you meant those employees that have a diamond somewhere but not one of those universal diamonds some employees get

got it

Shadow Wizard

2:15 PM

@Magisch those are CM's only, probably

Oded

@Magisch CMs and Q&A devs are the only people who get diamonds everywhere.

Magisch

Ah, okay

Shadow Wizard

And Jobs devs got only on SO? @Oded

Journeyman Geek

(also, historically, very few people who are doing Q&A stuff's 'outsiders' from what I've seen. @Oded can school me if I'm talking out my ass ;p)

There was CHAOS, but that was kinda intentionally an experiment.

Shadow Wizard

I still think DAG team should have some unique symbol, like CHAOS had. :D

Magisch

2:17 PM

It's interesting to learn more about the machinations on SE

Oded

@ShadowWizard Sometimes. Usually because they need to show employee creds when responding to meta or adding mod-only tags to posts.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard spade? ;p

Shadow Wizard

Might fit.... :D

Oded

@JourneymanGeek certainly used to be true, but... isn't just about every dev part of the community these days?

Journeyman Geek

though, I'd argue DAG isn't anything new - just that its not all Q&A stuff now.

Magisch

2:18 PM

Might be though that I'm weird with my unquenchable thirst for technical details and minutiae of procedure

Oded

You sound like a programmer, @Magisch

Journeyman Geek

@Oded well, which is why Joe trying to work out SE on his own, sans the diamond is a pretty sensible idea IMO

Magisch

Factoids and tidbits about SE's inner workings sticks in my brain like spongebob squarepants episodes used to

Oded

@JourneymanGeek true. The "mission" encompasses more that Q&A.

Magisch

@Oded I should think so, that's my profession :p

Oded

2:19 PM

@JourneymanGeek indeed. I've found Joe to be very sensible.

Journeyman Geek

@Oded most of my interaction with him has been through chat (in places) and the horrors of MSE (which I think might leave him scarred for life ;p)

Oded

:(

Journeyman Geek

Not sure how much my opinion matters but he seems ok

Shadow Wizard

Done!

Journeyman Geek

;p

user310756

2:21 PM

@Telkitty they'ew not adopting out birds atm - run out of funds :(

Shadow Wizard

starting feature request

:D

Journeyman Geek

@rene meta.stackexchange.com/posts/302264/revisions looks like that was sorted.

Magisch

@Oded might it also be that you worked only at interesting places beforehand to say that SE is as interesting as anywhere else?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I also interacted with him via the Mentorship project R.I.P, then again when ranting about the new top bar... I poked him while he was sick, and felt bad about it. :/

user310756

@Telkitty out of curiosity, do the roosters help protect the hens?

Journeyman Geek

2:23 PM

@Magisch Every place is interesting in its own way. Even if its horrible. Especially when it is.

Magisch

Because I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be too stoked to maintain severely aging VBA/VB6 code in a boring side contractor for the semiconductor industry

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard Mentorship's an SO thing, so I kinda missed all of it.

Magisch

It's not offensively bad but it's really bland sometimes

rene

@JourneymanGeek with the gentle hand of Animuson ;)

Magisch

Like the white noise of programming

Oded

2:24 PM

@Magisch tech is tech. Most places have something special they are doing, something technically challenging.

Journeyman Geek

Top bar ranting, I've seen much more - some of it pretty bad.

@Oded ._. It depends.

Magisch

@Oded Does making your software run on win95 since the machines are too old to be upgraded count?

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch we have questions on it on SU. Its more common than you think

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek heh, that's the one with trolling mods... (same OP, I mean)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard ya, had some interaction with him in the past

Amusingly, I can't remember what ._.

Shadow Wizard

2:27 PM

@JourneymanGeek yup. Weird, on other sites he appears to be fine.

Looks like MSE gets the worst out of people sometimes. :(

Oded

@Magisch it certainly makes a unique technical challenge...

Shadow Wizard

Maybe because they suddenly get downvotes and people don't agree with what they say.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard that's a risk you take on meta ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yeah, but most people don't understand that...

Well, it's like Survival: we end up only with the best. :P

Success

> This post has been locked while disputes about its content are being resolved. For more info visit meta.

meta-meta, here we go~

Shadow Wizard

2:29 PM

lol

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Q: This post has been locked while disputes about its content are being resolved. For more info visit meta... On Meta.SE

This post was locked (reasons are not needed for this post): My comment is about the link "visit meta". That isn't especially helpful as we are on Meta.SE, the site it redirects us to. Should this link be changed or removed?

Success

Metaception...

Journeyman Geek

metas all the way down?

@ShadowWizard well, it took me about 6-7 years here before I 'got' what people want on meta. Almost.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek what you did before that?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard just answered random stuff

Shadow Wizard

oh

Journeyman Geek

2:33 PM

I've gotten more reputation this year than I have in the preceding years combined I think

Shadow Wizard

buh @Oded couldn't you retag a minute earlier so I could have used the hammer? ;)

Journeyman Geek

and ugh. Dupes

;p

Shadow Wizard

lol

Journeyman Geek

Not yet gotten past "I know this" FGITW

Success

though it's normal for a human to remember all the tid-bits about SE

Journeyman Geek

2:36 PM

woof?

Success

(just a reference to a particular user in this chat room ;p)

Shadow Wizard

I still suspect @Norm is the anonymous editor...

@Success well, now he desires to remember everything

Journeyman Geek

@Success I'm vaguely obligated to make jokes about being a dog, even here.

Success

On the internet, everybody is a dog

Oded

woof

Success

2:41 PM

woof

Shadow Wizard

hav hav

rene

mew?

Derpy

3:01 PM

mewto?

> always be a dog unless you can be an unicorn then always be an unicorn

Aaron Hall

So... code is now MIT licensed, right

?

bwDraco

489

Q: The MIT License – Clarity on Using Code on Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange

Update (Dec. 22): Thanks, everyone, for your feedback to this proposal. We're going to digest this one over the holidays and should have a follow-up announcement answering your questions and addressing your concerns after the new year. We won't be making any hurried decisions on this topic, an...

discussion licensing creative-commons

Aaron Hall

Should the footer be updated?

rene

@AaronHall no, it isn't. Where does it say that?

Aaron Hall

> Starting Feb 1, 2016, all new code contributions to Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange will be covered by the MIT License.

from the link above.

Adam Lear

3:17 PM

Start reading a bit higher. :) An update from Jan 14 links to another question which says "We're going to delay the implementation for now "

"For now" apparently became almost two years. Huh.

Aaron Hall

I want to tell some paranoid users to chill out, and that GNU code posted on in answer is fair use.

rene

@AdamLear .... 6 to 8 .... ;)

Ok, rene gets kicked for pinging SE staff ...

Aaron Hall

These posts are versioned - no need to keep contradictory outdated info in them. At least strike them through or post a clear disclaimer.

I thought the delay was for a couple months.

rene

Yeah, but not when there was so much push back that the risk going forward would cause more issues then it tried to solve

Aaron Hall

Anyways. I post in my profile that my code is MIT licensed anyways.

> Code licenses: CC-BY-SA/MIT (But I'm not litigious.)

Adam Lear

3:24 PM

@rene an estimate can't be wrong if you never specify the time units :)

Tim Stone

That's the cornerstone of my todo list

Derpy

Question for the room:
Suppose you have two files "foo.css" and "foo.min.css". After losing about 2h trying to understand why you classes were not applied you notice that "foo.css" isn't actually "foo.css" but instead "notFoo.css" that someone renamed "foo.css"....

rene

@Derpy closing as unclear what you're asking

@Derpy someone ... and that wasn't you, right?

Success

@Derpy looks like Workplace.SE's job, not SO

Or Puzzle.SE

Derpy

@rene asking what punishment should be given to someone that basically renamed "metro.css" to "bootstrap.css" and made me lose too much time wondering why bootstrap wasn't working as expected.

Feeds

3:28 PM

I started off with countless problems. But now I know, thanks to COUNT(), that I have "#REF! ERROR: Circular dependency detected" problems.

Success

^

Oded

"The illusion of progress"

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