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user202362

12:09 AM

building houses are fun, probably getting to do more of it next year (pending council approval) ... could build a $150k one or spending a million on construction cost alone.

user202362

user202362

although currently, there is a chance of mild property price correction around the globe, so need to be careful of the timing

Optimus Prime

2:53 AM

@OptimusPrime Dear facebook, I told you facebook, I don't need your help.

Journeyman Geek

3:44 AM

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302415/biased-ballot-theorem CVs please?

Success

cv'd, still need 3

user202362

Code your first website from scratch in 2 Hours 🚀

user202362

surely we are not talking about google style website ...

Success

It uses Bootstrap!

user202362

👉 Guided carefully through HTML / CSS basics and Javascript

user202362

3:48 AM

static website, that's why >_<

TheLittleNaruto

4:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek I got no stickers when they had delivered my swag goodies 😒

Journeyman Geek

There's always stickers

TheLittleNaruto

@JourneymanGeek That's all I had got: lh3.googleusercontent.com/…

user310756

@ShadowWizard and a slap for the happy dance :D

Optimus Prime

5:02 AM

@JourneymanGeek can you undelete and reopen pls? then I can CV on it (;p)

Journeyman Geek

5:13 AM

@OptimusPrime I talked OP into deleting ;p

maaaan, its been a while since I've done that

Journeyman Geek

5:48 AM

@OptimusPrime meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302417/… there you go cv please

Optimus Prime

> Based on that ever one in the learning stage can get benefit.

spam???

Journeyman Geek

naw, I'd lean towards lost in translation

Optimus Prime

7K flags in SO

Journeyman Geek

hmm

If this didn't say "official" I'd be tempted to answer meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302410/…

Optimus Prime

:6436536 be careful while removing messages. rene won't tolerate much

Journeyman Geek

5:53 AM

→ 12 messages moved to Chimney

There is no message, ONLY ZUUL!

Optimus Prime

7.6K flags with 99.19% accuracy network wide. Second one is MSE with 153 flags

Googled how to crash chrome in ubuntu and it showed me how to prevent crashing of chrome in ubuntu wtf

Journeyman Geek

So do the opposite?

Optimus Prime

6:10 AM

where is the page self-promotion?

ah it's promotion not self promotion

Optimus Prime

6:44 AM

-3

Q: Discord Bot JavaScript

Let me ask you something. I need to create a function in my bot that when someone types !whoisonline the bot will print all the people who are online + a predefined rank on a game we play, example of output: Arthur - AB 175 Bonny - Sura 175 Chokitu - Bio Danny - RK Martin -RG Roger - AB When ...

> I am not asking for the person to create the script for me, just teach me how to do it. But if you want to do it with the example I gave, would make my life easier xD

That's considerable (may be for $10K)

TheLittleNaruto

Jesus this is hilarious: images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/azq5b2B_460s.jpg XD

If anyone is into anime, he'll understand.

Optimus Prime

trrrransllllate plz

TheLittleNaruto

"Omae wa mo shindeiru" is a Japanese sentence which means "You're already dead"

It came from a scene of the anime

when a character kills other and says this line

Optimus Prime

that meme didn't make sense

TheLittleNaruto

while the other character has no clue why would he say that so he reacts with "Nani"

which means What??

@OptimusPrime For you it won't

as you're not into Anime

I'll better share it on maid cafe

:D

Optimus Prime

6:52 AM

all I know about Anime is it is a japan cartoon series

TheLittleNaruto

Please That's not cartoon

Optimus Prime

then

TheLittleNaruto

anime is not cartoon

@OptimusPrime You should be able to understand this meme now: i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/484/070/5c1.jpg

Optimus Prime

trranslation to the last thing

TheLittleNaruto

@OptimusPrime Dude really? chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6436570#6436570

So You didn't even care to read what I replied you above ?

:/

Optimus Prime

7:05 AM

I read it but since I am not aware of japanese, I can't remember it

just read, understand but can't recall later

Kicking JNat out of universe

rene

delv-pls tutorial meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302417/… /cc @Bart @Jou @sha

Optimus Prime

^20K+. you made me open the link

done

JNat

117

A: What differentiates anime from regular cartoons?

No matter how you look at it, an anime is a cartoon. The main difference is that an anime is considered a Japanese style of cartoons in the West. Many English-language dictionaries define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or as "a style of animation developed in Japan." Ho...

Optimus Prime

how did you returned?

kicking JNat again to out of universe

> No matter how you look at it, an anime is a cartoon. The main difference is that an anime is considered a Japanese style of cartoons in the West.

informed senior that I am going to resign

ah JNat was a pro tem mod on Anime and Manga / Cc @TheLittleNaruto

Journeyman Geek

7:37 AM

Anime is cartoons the same way Manga is comics. Or a graphic novel is a comic.

Optimus Prime

Manga means mango (in malayalam. afaik In tamil too)

Journeyman Geek

Yes ;p

well unripe mango.

cause you do not want to make pickles with ripe mangos.

JNat

@rene reverted it

Not necessarily, @ShadowWizard: Robert added it to the pile for discussion by the Community Team; that post shows stuff that's cleared discussion by the Community Team. At a minimum, it'll be up for discussion for a month. — JNat ♦ 26 mins ago

Optimus Prime

@JourneymanGeek but you can eat it directly

Journeyman Geek

You can eat unripe mangos directly too

Optimus Prime

7:44 AM

not sure only unripe mangoes are indicated using manga. in malayalam, manga is used for both

@JourneymanGeek with some salt and chilly powder.

Journeyman Geek

@OptimusPrime in tamil its mampazaham for ripe mangos

Optimus Prime

oh yeah. missed that

19 mins ago, by Optimus Prime

informed senior that I am going to resign

@TheLittleNaruto You promised me that you'll arrange me a job in bangalore. in some MNC

random ping @ShadowWizard

27

Q: I gave a "gift" back to a friend after he asked for it back, now he is trying to tax me for using it

I'm usually good at this sort of stuff but I don't know how to handle this situation. I'll start from the beginning. Backstory About 2-3 years ago, a good friend of mine, Henry, stole a grinder from another "friend" of his and gave it to me. I didn't want it at first but he convinced me to ta...

friends conflict-aversion difficult-people gifts

If I was the person, probably I went to his house and beat him until I feel comfortable

TheLittleNaruto

8:01 AM

@OptimusPrime Well.. I don't remember if something like that I told you.

28

A: What differentiates anime from regular cartoons?

My personal argument: Cartoons are mainly produced for kids, with topics about friendship, fun, exploration and similar things. Anime / manga and related media mainly are produced for targets of all ages (except for Hentai and Ecchi series, of course). They can of course contain the "kids conte...

cc @OptimusPrime

Journeyman Geek

@TheLittleNaruto samurai jack's a western cartoon, that's admittedly japanese inspired.

Also, Animanics is downright dirty when you're not a kid <3

TheLittleNaruto

@JourneymanGeek Where did you read that it's a cartoon ?

rene

8:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek that question meta.stackexchange.com/posts/302264/revisions is now revised to something that invalidates some answers (at least the newest one). Are we going in a rollback war or leave it?

Journeyman Geek

@rene I rolled it back cause vandalism. Now its just crap. I do think he's trying to get the question nuked cause downvotes.... which isn't really helping him since I'd rather DV than close ;p

So I donno

rene

left a comment as well, let's see what happens

@JourneymanGeek can you look into chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/39707574#39707574 something was migrate to SU but that might be wrong : superuser.com/questions/1261528/…

Journeyman Geek

@rene its crap. Kicked back, thanks ;p

rene

yw

Optimus Prime

8:35 AM

all I can do on that is raising a custom flag This person once defaced this question with some text like aaaaa bbb ccccccc and so and now keep editing it making the current answers invalid. check the revision history and consider locking it

Kicking @TheLittleNaruto out of universe

user310756

8:52 AM

@Telkitty hey - I'm going to meet up with the owner on the weekend. going to get two chickens... Where do we get two chickens? not the hybrids the pure breds

TheLittleNaruto

9:08 AM

@YvetteColomb lol

user202362

9:23 AM

@YvetteColomb I usually check gumtree for it

user202362

do we want rescued chickens or baby chicks ... I thought about getting rescued chickens, but those birds have a short life span and I don't want get sad watching them getting old and die

user202362

also, have you thought about what breed of chickens you want to get?

Journeyman Geek

0

Q: Are those upvote or downvote buttons?

What do the buttons displayed beside any question asked refer to? Whenever I click any of them, I see a number. If I click the one which is above, the number increases and vice-versa on clicking the one below.

discussion

._.

Optimus Prime

dupe

Success

> If I click the one which is above, the number increases and vice-versa on clicking the one below.

but the OP still doesn't have the privilege, so.. lies!

Journeyman Geek

9:35 AM

@Success the number changes and you get a popup

so its kinda true

ugh

I have no accounts with low enough reputation not to vote

Optimus Prime

~~I have~~

Bumblebee

I have

Journeyman Geek

user310756

9:50 AM

@Telkitty well you know I'm a softy for rescue animals --- it would be hard to watch them die, but it would be good to make them happy.

Bumblebee

kicking @YvetteColomb out of universe

user310756

@Telkitty well .. I can get that cross breed one for $22 each as older chicks from the local produce store (it's expensive there - everything is expensive there)

TheLittleNaruto

FYI: "kicking out of universe" is my ™

Optimus Prime

> Are those upvote or downvote buttons?

No they are potatoes

Bumblebee

@TheLittleNaruto yours??

Kicking @TheLittleNaruto out of universe

TheLittleNaruto

9:58 AM

of course

Bumblebee

now it's mine

TheLittleNaruto

Cruel world!

Sob! Sob!

Optimus Prime

(removed)

TheLittleNaruto

(removed)

user202362

@YvetteColomb there is henrescue.org, they used to have rescued hens, but we probably need to contact them to see whether they are still operating ...

user202362

10:17 AM

also ... baby chick porn - irresistible cute fluffiness ...

user202362

there are also a few registered breeders around Hills district

Journeyman Geek

11:01 AM

@Telkitty ponders flagging, then realises they're just naked little birds.

Optimus Prime

11:16 AM

173

Q: A downvote a day keeps the reversal-script away

The last few days I've been getting seemingly random downvotes on my questions, but I've worked out that it's likely the same user doing it. Here is my reputation history for the last few days: (The above image has been edited to remove irrelevant information) I think it is the same user doin...

support reputation down-votes serial-voting

a rule violation a day keep the CM's away

found another suspended user. but why for 1 year? stackoverflow.com/users/1002260/steven-penny

Journeyman Geek

@OptimusPrime rules violations, duh!

Optimus Prime

they should explain what rule they have violated to the public

Journeyman Geek

Naw

There's a meta post about that

Oded

What good would come out of that, @OptimusPrime?

Optimus Prime

@Oded we can be more careful to not to caught when we are violating the rules

Journeyman Geek

11:20 AM

@OptimusPrime meta.stackexchange.com/questions/293213/…

@OptimusPrime or better yet, don't violate the rules

Optimus Prime

;p

The sad part is even we can't know when we're suspended

Oded

@OptimusPrime do I need to rephrase? What good would come out of that, for the community as a whole?

Journeyman Geek

(amusingly, I THINK I know why he's suspended, and it is NOT something you can do accidentally without knowing what you're doing.)

@OptimusPrime suspensions come with a mod message

or you can post on meta, if you want dirty laundry aired

Optimus Prime

@JourneymanGeek but on thousands of inbox, it is hard to find

Journeyman Geek

It rarely ends well, and is entertaining if you annoy the right mod.

Optimus Prime

11:22 AM

I got 1 on so and 1 on travel.

Journeyman Geek

@OptimusPrime you also get emailed.

Optimus Prime

@JourneymanGeek that's a good idea.

Journeyman Geek

and you can reply to the mod once for clarification

Also

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID

YES YOU

Oded

@OptimusPrime - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/343653/top-navigation-update/…

Journeyman Geek

hah

I assumed it was something else.

@Oded OTOH meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/343653/top-navigation-update/…

@OptimusPrime Don't break any rules, and no one gets beaten to death with a giant S.

Oded

11:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek it was a small part of what it was. Lots of contributing factors.

Journeyman Geek

@Oded Yeah, I recognise the name

Oded

Man decided to take a stand on being a jerk.

Journeyman Geek

Hah

Oded

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Journeyman Geek

I'm trying to remember if the event I remeber was from before my time as a mod

Optimus Prime

11:26 AM

3 mods involved in that war.

Journeyman Geek

ah, after

Optimus Prime

0

Q: How to increase the reach of a post in stackoverflow?

Recently i found hat reach a stackoverflow account is not depend on the reputation. There are several persons having less reputation but have a great reach and vise versa.how this happen ?

support

Shall we have a post promotion system like facebook for people like him ^^

Journeyman Geek

I donno, Maybe letting you use reputation so it gets promoted in a seperate tab...

Sounds like a radical idea, don't it.

Optimus Prime

and that is called Bounty

Journeyman Geek

I was being sarcastic ;p

Magisch

11:36 AM

Getting suspended for a whole year on SO/SE is really hard

Optimus Prime

but you can achieve it if you try well

Magisch

not something anyone sane would specifically try for

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch its really easy. Heck, you could get a decade long suspension....

(I've had to ask for one once)

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek asking for it doesn't count

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch no no, ask for someone to be suspended longer than a mod can suspend ;p

Optimus Prime

11:38 AM

or simply reply to the mod message you have been suspended for 7 days by asking them to suspend for 1 year. They'll happy to do that

Journeyman Geek

@OptimusPrime naw

That kinda means you arn't going to benefit.

Sounds like a great reason to nuke an account

Optimus Prime

feeling danger

Magisch

I know some people who have pulled some seriously messed up stuff and haven't been suspended for a year

sounds like mods use this like more of a last resort thing

Journeyman Geek

Now, if you're being at least a little reasonable about it...

@Magisch I think the subset of people worth keeping around, and people who keep messing up the same way is very small.

Magisch

tbh I've been in many online communities, and SO/SE is very reasonable on the not banning you for BS front

Journeyman Geek

11:40 AM

@Magisch SE/SO is a bit strange though

Magisch

if you get banned you know why and you've had ample opportunity to cut the behavior

or your ban is like 7 days long as a warning shot

Journeyman Geek

Its rather large, but our moderation style is a bit... small community +

(I'm pretty sure there's few big communities where you could have a developer or community manager directly answer a question. Or even know who they were)

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek Take reddit as an example

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch reddit's.... kinda not really moderated

Magisch

getting ahold of an employee is a sometimes month long process that often fails, even when you're a moderator/owner of a big sub

Journeyman Geek

11:47 AM

yup

Magisch

If you're a normal user well that's just not happening

Journeyman Geek

Though, Ideally you shouldn't need to ;p

Magisch

Ideally, nobody would have problems beyond what they can raise on meta

:D

Journeyman Geek

;p

ideally

But in theory we can handle a good chunk of the non technical issues ourselves

The only times we need a CM to step in are stuff that's over our heads, and vote invalidations

or of course, rogue mods, but that's uncommon.

Magisch

I just think that all the biting sarcasm and whining about how SE does things is kinda complaining about a really high base line level

Journeyman Geek

11:50 AM

;p

Magisch

go to any other community on the web really and look for that level of transparency and consideration for users and tell me when you found it because I haven't

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Magisch

I'm no stranger to moaning about/at SE for stuff but we gotta have some perspective there is no point in getting vitriolic about it

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I find that I get a lot further not being an ass to the folk who make this possible. I do sometimes disagree, but I'm going to get what I want if someone goes "yanno, he's right" rather than "what an arse"

Magisch

I had that problem when I started here and got very mean sometimes

Journeyman Geek

11:55 AM

hah

I got that out of my system, mostly.

Magisch

It is of no use when you have to work constructively with the people you're mean to

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Magisch

If the baseline standard is high enough (like here) then being annoying and mean will get you absolutely nowhere very quickly

Journeyman Geek

hah

or you just look terrible and petulant and no one takes you seriously

Magisch

read: the closest thing to a shadowban without being actually shadowbanned

Journeyman Geek

11:57 AM

More or less

Magisch

It's nice and very attractive of a site to have a standard where you can mostly expect the conversation to remain mostly civil

Journeyman Geek

On the other hand, you could go the other way. I once... accidentally banned political topics on chat.

;p

accidentally

Magisch

That makes some serious discussions possible about topics where the discussion usually degenerates into name calling and insult flinging

Journeyman Geek

yup

THough that helps when someone has the authority to go "dude, no" without pulling out the big stick

(cause I've occationally had that happen on root access)

Shadow Wizard

12:17 PM

> Some juicy details for @ShadowWizard

lol, I'm honored. :D

rene

:D

Journeyman Geek

;p

linkie?

ah

Shadow Wizard

lol

Always a pleasure to see pieces of their source code.... :D

Journeyman Geek

> But not all is bad as it seems. I already noticed the exceptions in our logs before this bug report, so the fix was already in the pipes before it was reported on meta.

Niiiiice

Shadow Wizard

12:33 PM

Soon cache will be replaced by Channels.

> Channels, it's always Channels

Journeyman Geek

cached channels....

Shadow Wizard

ewwww

Journeyman Geek

I'd note though, this is more or less the first major change in SE's core product in... I donno.

Ages?

Shadow Wizard

yeah

Journeyman Geek

Granted, there's nothing 'major' to fix up with QA IMO at this point.

user315433

12:35 PM

Except for the dearth of salary calculators.

Journeyman Geek

That's got nothing to do with Q&A ;p

Shadow Wizard

Dearth?

Journeyman Geek

That's just marketing

Shadow Wizard

> a scarcity or lack of something

Not enough calculators??

they throw one on the face of every anonymous visitor...

user315433

Okay, there was that great new nav of 2015... remember it?

Shadow Wizard

12:37 PM

whoa... not anymore! They removed it!

Now just that huge login banner that still hides everything, but still... better than before.

user315433

Which was supposed to make it easier for people who are not interested in helping with 2+2 questions to filter those out.

user315433

At least, I hoped that was one of the goals.

Shadow Wizard

@Desire lol... the project that never ended, yeah

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard one wart at a time?

Shadow Wizard

I think the mistake was giving it to single dev and asking him "Do it", without proper guidance.

M.A.R.

12:39 PM

-11

Q: Are those upvote or downvote buttons?

What do the buttons displayed beside any question asked refer to? Whenever I click any of them, I see a number. If I click the one which is above, the number increases and vice-versa on clicking the one below.

discussion

Wow

I am speechless, haha

Shadow Wizard

When I do something from scratch without guidance, it usually ends up bad.

M.A.R.

But I guess I was just as clueless in the beginning

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yup

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard It's doomed to be bad

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. indeed

M.A.R.

12:40 PM

It's not just you

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. you too

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. I guess its also "How do you work out what's broken on something people use every day"

There are probably children out there holding down spacebar to stay warm in the winter! YOUR UPDATE MURDERS CHILDREN.

Every time someone changes something... ^

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek The weather is occasionally broken

I had a friend who had a spooky laugh that wanted to fix it

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. nah, just a random troll. He doesn't even have account with enough rep to vote.

Journeyman Geek

(granted a good chunk of my complaints about cheese moving tend to be about workflow)

M.A.R.

12:42 PM

By destroying atmosphere

Journeyman Geek

Right now I'm annoyed its hard to find tour as an experienced user

M.A.R.

Everyone would have died, but collateral damage

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. had? What happened to him/her?

Journeyman Geek

and I don't want yet another sockpuppet, even if I can use emailaddress+sockpuppie@host.tld.

Shadow Wizard

M.A.R.

12:45 PM

@ShadowWizard spontaneously combusted

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard meh

Shadow Wizard

lol x 2

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I mostly use it in throwaway comments I suppose.

Literally the nice equivilent of "RTFA N00B!"

Mostly on MSE ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek there's magic link, no?

Taking the [tour] is fun

The word "tour" will become a link ^ (in comments)

Taking the tour is fun — Shadow Wizard 1 min ago

Journeyman Geek

ya

Shadow Wizard

12:49 PM

hav

That's my name, I know. ;)

Journeyman Geek

I quite literally type some variation of "Please read the [help] and the [tour]" like 4-5 times a day

Shadow Wizard

So why are you "annoyed its hard to find tour as an experienced user"?

What you need it for?

(i.e. removing the help menu from top bar for high rep users isn't one of the bad changes, IMO)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard helping low rep users ._.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yeah, but my question is why you need to find direct link when you can just type [tour]? :)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard cause sometimes I need to check what's in it

pages change?

Shadow Wizard

12:56 PM

ohhhh

So just bookmark

Journeyman Geek

It breaks my workflow? ;p

@ShadowWizard I don't need it often enough to?

;p

Shadow Wizard

Or switch to site where you have low rep and see there, tour is the same on all sites I think

Journeyman Geek

mah workflow?

Shadow Wizard

oh, sample questions are different

rene

1:58 PM

That sinking feeling as you thought a mod has everything, turns out there is a Secret dev ui ... forget the mod election, I run for dev next time ....

Oded

:P

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