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jcolebrand

cs.trinity.edu/Main_Attractions/The_Virtual_Reality_Project

ManjotSingh

now why is it needed?

George Marian

@Pekkasothertrollingaccount Yeah, I'm in agreement on that. Though, it was amusing to contemplate.

jcolebrand

wait.

You've been banned on chat.SE and chat.SO?

ManjotSingh

6:19 AM

i was

jcolebrand

And now you're in here being particularly obtuse and difficult

ManjotSingh

but that was an other issue

jcolebrand

Do you think this will end well for you?

George Marian

@jcolebrand LOL That Geico commercial comes to mind. "What? Have you been living under a rock?"

jcolebrand

lol

ManjotSingh

6:20 AM

@jcolebrand thats is not my intention

jcolebrand

and yet ...

George Marian

@jcolebrand Well, this isn't as egregious. Though, thus far I have considered the ignore option for only two individuals.

ManjotSingh

i was just dissussing with you

@jcolebrand did i disrespect anyone yet

or did i troll

jcolebrand

@GeorgeMarian amazingly enough, I also only two.

Pekka's other trolling account

Who owns this place?

jcolebrand

6:22 AM

@ManjotSingh I haven't made a decision on this one yet.

@Pekkasothertrollingaccount the mods?

George Marian

@ManjotSingh You disrespected the rules of human social interaction.

jcolebrand

I can't boot, if that's what you mean

ManjotSingh

lol

George Marian

@jcolebrand I bet it's the same two. :)

Pekka's other trolling account

@jcolebrand no, I meant who can boot him

Ah, you're an owner

ManjotSingh

6:22 AM

an what is that now @GeorgeMarian

jcolebrand

@GeorgeMarian not likely. I had a mod who was quite rude to me in the modchat the other day

Pekka's other trolling account

You can't boot users? That's too bad

jcolebrand

really really pissed me off

George Marian

@Pekkasothertrollingaccount @TylerChacha

jcolebrand

@Pekkasothertrollingaccount I am. I've been attempting to keep the list of stars relatively useful as of late

@GeorgeMarian is he the only one then?

George Marian

6:23 AM

@jcolebrand Oh, I see. That's what I miss out on by not paying enough attention to that room? :)

@jcolebrand I think there's only one room owner.

jcolebrand

@GeorgeMarian aye. Want me to give you a message id?

@GeorgeMarian no, it says I am one

George Marian

Kinda like highlander, there can be only one. /rimshot

oh

jcolebrand

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/89/…

@GeorgeMarian instantrimshot.com

George Marian

Well...um... shrug This thing doesn't come with documentation. :D

ManjotSingh

@jcolebrand oh are you an owner of this room?

jcolebrand

6:25 AM

@GeorgeMarian I know right?

George Marian

@jcolebrand Sure, why not. You've piqued my curiosity. (Not that it takes much. lol)

Speaking of things that have no docs. I'm working with the real estate listing web service. Makes me want to hurl, repeatedly.

jcolebrand

can I delete that #?

George Marian

Heh, yes.

Ah, yes. I understand the issue.

ManjotSingh

i got this on my question "Have you considered accepting an answer or starting a bounty for this question?
"

how would i reply to this question

George Marian

By accepting an answer or starting a bounty?

ManjotSingh

6:29 AM

and if i want to delete my downvoted question from my account

George Marian

It's a system prompt, trying to get some traction on the question. In other words, it is reminding you of those options.

jcolebrand

@ManjotSingh are you wanting to delete the one on meta?

ManjotSingh

@jcolebrand ya

jcolebrand

please don't.

ManjotSingh

Sorry, this question has answers and cannot be deleted; flag it for moderator attention instead.

jcolebrand

6:31 AM

It's an excellent example of not wanting to read anything, ever. Like how you've asked questions in here tonight that were easily easily easily googlable

ManjotSingh

if i am deleting my question

jcolebrand

@ManjotSingh you can't delete that one.

ManjotSingh

people are downvoting my question which decreases my reputation

jcolebrand

@ManjotSingh welcome to meta

read first, then ask

asking without reading encourages the population to downvote you

ManjotSingh

i read it for meta

but i am talking about stackoverflow

jcolebrand

6:34 AM

also, downvotes on meta mean "I disagree" or they mean "I don't like this" or they mean "this is a crap question" or they mean "I like this" or they mean "I agree" so you can't trust downvotes on meta

@ManjotSingh what Q on stackoverflow?

4 mins ago, by jcolebrand

@ManjotSingh are you wanting to delete the one on meta?

4 mins ago, by ManjotSingh

@jcolebrand ya

pick one, please.

You said one thing, now you're saying another:

56 secs ago, by ManjotSingh

but i am talking about stackoverflow

George Marian

I regret that I have but one vote to give. ;)

jcolebrand

lol

ManjotSingh

but on stackoverflow they are being deleted

There seems to be a problem connecting to the server. Please check your internet connection and reload this page

George Marian

Server chose the ignore option?

jcolebrand

I suggest asking better questions.

ManjotSingh

6:37 AM

ok

jcolebrand

You do realize that closing questions and deleting questions can both be done by the community at large, right?

There's nothing about mods involved there.

ManjotSingh

so who close the questions rather?

great

i got a success in deleting my downvoted questions from stackoverflow

thats better now

@jcolebrand LOL

lol

6:51 AM

contemplates moving his server tonight

jcolebrand

►

George Marian

wonders who is more spoiled: his gf or her cats

@jcolebrand Bahaha. That said, I'm still impressed.

jcolebrand

I am way impressed

ManjotSingh

i m impressed

George Marian

addresses expletives at this gf's cat

jcolebrand

7:08 AM

George Marian

WTF?

That works on so many levels.

jcolebrand

i know right?

jcolebrand

8:46 AM

I feel accomplished

I have uploaded a repo to github. I think I have my laptop properly configured to do this now for git.

I still prefer mercurial

Octavian Damiean

ah reading the transcript I had to chuckle a bit

welcome to one day in my world

jcolebrand

Nonsense sir ;)

Octavian Damiean

now just multiply that with 10 and imagine having to deal with that for way over 250 days almost every day

I wonder if my decision to make a gallery room is still questionable :D

jcolebrand

The difference is that you chose to keep dealing with it

I'll give anyone an opportunity to be an ass once

I might even give them that chance two days in a row

George Marian

@OctavianDamiean Yeah, I don't think I'd survive that experience.

jcolebrand

8:59 AM

After that, I put them on iggy

I don't invite that

I also know mods ;)

Octavian Damiean

yea the problem is that I can't constantly bug the mods, I'd be bugging them every day, that way I can pre-filter a bit. Looks like it works as I have users in the room that really contribute to a good working climate :)

jcolebrand

who here knows, off the top of their head, the easy way to make putty not ask me for a username everytime I login to my box via ssh?

Octavian Damiean

user@ip

not sure if it works for putty though

it will of course still ask you for a password if you have password login activated

20

A: Introduce a "general reference" close reason

FYI, this close reason was implemented for testing on http://scifi.stackexchange.com and http://english.stackexchange.com We're still evaluating it.

loves the guys at SE for that

George Marian

Ah, nice. The RTFM close reason.

Octavian Damiean

was long overdue imo

jcolebrand

9:15 AM

codelathe.com/blog/index.php/2009/02/20/… <-- this was perfect, except that part where I didn't put the file in the right place /me /facepalm

George Marian

LOL

I thought you just looking to avoid typing in the username.

Not that I remembered how to do passwordless SSH with Putty.

jcolebrand

oh, lol, I said username and totally thought I typed password

again with the /facepalms

Octavian Damiean

lol

jcolebrand

perhaps that's a sign that at 4am I should be asleep

Octavian Damiean

thats a totally different story then :D

George Marian

9:18 AM

@jcolebrand Perhaps? ;)

Hmm... Maybe eating the last of the Golden Puffs wasn't such a good idea right before trying to go to sleep.

Oh, well. Gonna try anyway. G'night you two.

jcolebrand

I'm right behind you

George Marian

I sure hope not. LOL

jcolebrand

lol, I was gonna overlook that part :p

George Marian

Though I do wish a sound sleep.

I couldn't help it.

Octavian Damiean

night there

oy, feeds

balpha

9:35 AM

@ManjotSingh Looks like being suspended on two of three chat sites was not enough. You are creating nothing but problems. Give me one more -- even tiny -- reason to believe that your behaviour on chat.Meta is no better, and third time's the charm.

This is not an invitation for discussion.

badp's sockpuppet

10:07 AM

If he gets banned here he just can't chat anymore? :P

(hey, you said "tiny")

ManjotSingh

10:43 AM

is back

now what i did?

@balpha did i disrespect anyone yet on chat.Meta?

or either i have break any rules

Moshe

Manjot Singh

Manjot Singh is a teenage Indian engineer. Childhood Manjot Singh was born in a Sikh family. His father is a doctor and his mother work government job. Debut Manjot’s father got to know that Paramjot Singh and his team were in Delhi scouting for actors and asked his son if he wanted to try it out. They went to Arvinder for an audition though Manjot had never acted before, even in school plays. After the audition the casting director of Dibakar Banerjee’s Oye Lucky! Lucky Oye! rejected Manjot Singh for the role of the boy who grows up to be master thief Lucky. However Dibakar Banerjee...

ManjotSingh

what is this now?

lolz

Moshe

Found it on Google.

ManjotSingh

i got shock

he is not me

he is an indian teenage actor

@Moshe i saw your site

Moshe

@manjotsingh, now did you?

ManjotSingh

10:49 AM

it was good

what?

Moshe

That was a rhetorical question.

Thank you.

ManjotSingh

can you explain me the meaning of message sent by balpha to me

because i am not good in english

Moshe

@Manjotsingh yes, I can try.

ManjotSingh

@ManjotSingh Looks like being suspended on two of three chat sites was not enough. You are creating nothing but problems. Give me one more -- even tiny -- reason to believe that your behaviour on chat.Meta is no better, and third time's the charm.
This is not an invitation for discussion.

Moshe

@balpha says that you were suspended twice. Is that correct?

ManjotSingh

10:52 AM

yes

Moshe

Okay. What he is saying is that the fact that you were suspended twice makes it a lot easier for him to suspend you again, if he thinks that you are giving him a reason to.

ManjotSingh

" if he thinks that you are giving him a reason to."

i dint get this line

Moshe

And discussing some of the things that you were asking about earlier (jailbreaking and not paying for apps) is very close)

Balpha is a moderator.

He can suspend people.

ManjotSingh

ya i know that

Moshe

He will suspend you IF he has a cause to do so.

ManjotSingh

10:55 AM

but i was discussing technical things

as i am ios developer i should know these things

Moshe

He is warning you to be careful, that's all.

ManjotSingh

ok

did i disrespect anyon e

"Give me one more -- even tiny -- reason to believe that your behaviour on chat.Meta is no better, and third time's the charm."

Moshe

No, but asking questions about illegal things are against the rules.

ManjotSingh

what is the meaning of this line

ok i wont repeat it again

Moshe

If you give him a reason to suspend you, he will do so. This will have been the third time that you have been suspended.

There is an English expression "three is a charm".

So, he was using that expression.

Ok, good.

ManjotSingh

10:58 AM

ok

Moshe

One last bit of advice:

Read more and use google more before asking questions.

ManjotSingh

ok

i wont repeat it again

Moshe

Good. :-)

ManjotSingh

but this is general room

so cant we chat general

Moshe

We can.

And with that, I must be off.

ManjotSingh

10:59 AM

ok

thanks for explaining me things

Moshe

You're welcome.

ManjotSingh

so you work for company?

Moshe

11:38 AM

No, I do not.

Moshe

12:40 PM

You know it's a problem when you start entering "stackove..." as your password before you realize that's not it.

Anyone here play Tiny Wings?

The author of Tiny Wings, Andeas Illiger, posted on StackOverflow!

I'm 3 answers below "500". (324 Q, 321 A)

Moshe

2:47 PM

If anyone can spare an upvote as I reverse the trend of me having more questions than answers, I'd appreciate it. I'm particularly proud of this technical question:

2

Q: Is calling super in a category the same as calling it in a subclass?

Does calling [super init] do the same thing in a category as a subclass? If not, what's the difference?

objective-c subclass categories

</shamelessplug>

Sheesh, so quiet...

Pearsonartphoto

The nice thing about computers, they do exactly what you tell them to.

The worst thing about computers: They do exactly what you tell them to...

Tim Stone

3:58 PM

Hmm, I hope that the hair cut place is open today.

M'vy

On sunday?

Tim Stone

Well, it's the day before a holiday, they may have used that as an excuse to randomly close. :P

M'vy

4:14 PM

You have a holy day tomorow?

Going back to work :S

BTW: I have a train to catch see you soon.

badp's sockpuppet

4:34 PM

cmon, Wolfram Alpha, work with me

what's so hard to understand in y'(x) = 1.27 and y(0.5) = 0.5

I don't mean y * 0.5 = 0.5

I mean exactly what I wrote

Tim Stone

Hah

badp's sockpuppet

okay, what you wanted is y'(x) = 1.27 and y[0.5] = 0.5

thanks, Wolfram Alpha

Tim Stone

It makes you use square brackets?

badp's sockpuppet

Yep.

Tim Stone

I don't even have words for that.

shakes head

badp's sockpuppet

4:40 PM

I tried them out of desperation, mostly

jcolebrand

@Moshe that's ".500" which refers to exactly half, or a 1:1 ratio. hth. ymmv.

badp's sockpuppet

@TimStone What's funnier is the alternative representation WA gives for y'(x) = 1.27 and y(0.5) = 0.5, which is False.

jcolebrand

@Moshe not so much. Same to the following line, er, not at all to the following line ;) Additionally, why does that surprise you?

badp's sockpuppet

@jcolebrand 1:1 would be 1 surely?

At any rate I'm seriously overthinking this, given the premise:

jcolebrand

@badpssockpuppet that's what I get for responding within 30 minutes of waking

and 1:1 in ratio means 1 (out of 1 + 1) chances

badp's sockpuppet

4:43 PM

↓

2

Q: How can I estimate or calculate the area of a circular segment?

Given a circle (for simplicity, $x^2 + y^2 = 1$) and a chord on this circle parallel to the $x$ axis $y = p - 0.5$ ($p \in [0,1]$ being the only parameter I control), how can I estimate the relationship between $p$ and the ratio between the circular segment determined by the circle and the chord ...

trigonometry

jcolebrand

if it were 2:3 it would be 2 out of 2+3

badp's sockpuppet

↓

...and the sad, closing note of the mathematics being useless because the circle has a border partially covering the colored area. \o/

jcolebrand

@TimStone @badp the reason is (consider carefully!) that in math, paren is an operator, not an input. So y'(x) means y prime times x whereas using a bracket means the thing inside here also, it's based on the language of mathematica (iirc) which all the mathgeeks know, and which is a 4GL

badp's sockpuppet

@jcolebrand Mathematica is not something I've ever used.

jcolebrand

@badpssockpuppet yatta?

badp's sockpuppet

4:46 PM

@jcolebrand Bazinga.

jcolebrand

@badpssockpuppet and yet here you are using WA ...

Tim Stone

MATLAB has no problem with parentheses, just sayin'

badp's sockpuppet

@jcolebrand Yeah, its whole point is it's supposed to parse "human language"

jcolebrand

@Mvy no, we have Memorial Day tomorrow, which is in fact a holi-day, but I suppose "holy day" is close enough to that.

badp's sockpuppet

somehow "give me a linear approximation of [huge formula here] for x = 0.5" didn't work ;)

Tim Stone

4:47 PM

Oh cool, the bank somehow processed my paycheck before going on holiday. \o/

jcolebrand

@badpssockpuppet but parens ... it's all about parens are ops

@TimStone yeah, mine too :D

@TimStone why on god's green earth would they haircutting place be open on Sunday? Are they known for that?

Tim Stone

Yeah, they're open every day.

badp's sockpuppet

@jcolebrand uh... then color me confused: why doesn't it confuse y'(x) for y' × x?

If it can understand y'(x) → derivative of y calculated in point x

jcolebrand

@badpssockpuppet I thought that's what it was getting confused over

presuming x was a value at that point

badp's sockpuppet

how does it follow that y(x) → y times x???

jcolebrand

4:49 PM

huh?

I can see I've poorly explained myself

either that or I've given the wrong answer

I believe it's the wrong answer, after further reflection.

badp's sockpuppet

@jcolebrand It's okay. Take a shower and/or some coffee. This is unfair; it's 1850 now for me.

jcolebrand

and yes, I've only been up about 25 minutes

were you giving it a constant?

badp's sockpuppet

Yeah, I was solving that ODE through a fixed point

Tim Stone

@badpssockpuppet Does fake coffee count?

badp's sockpuppet

Solving a Cauchy problem, in other words.

jcolebrand

4:51 PM

if you expect the semantics of y'(x) to give you the derivation of x, then you can't expect the semantics of y'(constant) to give you the derivation of x resolved to that constant.

now then, had the semantics been y'(x => constant) then I might have expected it to parse, find the derivation, then substitute the constant

notice that the above semantic rule is totally pulled outta my butt

badp's sockpuppet

17 mins ago, by badp's sockpuppet

what's so hard to understand in y'(x) = 1.27 and y(0.5) = 0.5

I didn't write y'(0.5) = 0.5 :)

at any rate, next time we'll just know to try square brackets if WA trips on ye ole parentheses.

jcolebrand

ah

I swore I read it as you putting in 1.27 into the prime

idk, like you said, coffee, shower

at least I'm eating a bowl of oats and milk