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user315433

1:47 AM

Learning material advised on a SO blog post: does SO back this learning material?... I think some people have unreasonable expectations of the listicles put out by marketing department every 2-3 days or so.

user315433

[Link to SO Jobs] [Clickbaity title] [item 1] [item 2] [item 3] [Did we mention SO Jobs?] When filling up the three items in the middle is something you do every day, surely Google becomes your friend.

bwDraco

2:17 AM

@Shog9, @JonEricson, et al., we have a situation in the Mathematics chat room again.

These two messages were flagged: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/40049832#40049832 chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/40049927#40049927

user315433

Ukrainian Language got their own Facebook bot

Elias

mourning...

Shog9

4:17 AM

@bwDraco so...?

user202362

4:38 AM

self service ...

bwDraco

@Shog9 Sorry, was busy.

I'm wondering who's responsible for this flagging, because if it's the same person as last time, a suspension might be necessary.

Start here:

in Mathematics on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 hours ago, by bwDraco

Please cut it out with the flags.

Also, this might be a smoking gun:

in Mathematics on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 hours ago, by Dodsy

@Jasper enjoy the rest of your night dude. I'm off to do some readings as I do not want to be banned tonight.

in Mathematics on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Jun 5 at 5:09, by Shog9

@Avery @bwDraco well, I looked. Turns out @TheGreatDuck and @Dodsy have been trading flags here for a couple of days. Latest volley was courtesy of Dodsy, but TheGreatDuck still leads by a fair margin for raw numbers pointless flags.

See a pattern?

We just need confirmation that it's the same person.

in Mathematics on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 hours ago, by Dodsy

Sigh. Thanks Draco.

(after I responded to the flags)

rene

6:52 AM

→ 23 messages moved to Chimney

rene

7:06 AM

delv-pls 20K backup meta.stackexchange.com/questions/300957/… /cc @bart @sha @tra

Nice answer here @JourneymanGeek

afk

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

7:24 AM

@rene done

@rene heh, crappy question. Didn't bother to read it, title is enough.

IMO better close those as rant and nuke out of orbit.

Journeyman Geek

@ShaWizDowArd heh. Maybe. I suppose that a good chunk of my gold badges are for terrible posts so... It's addictive posting well though out answers to them. Also sloooooow Sunday

@rene thanks

Elias

7:40 AM

@rene -1 not enough troll

Journeyman Geek

8:29 AM

@ShaWizDowArd also, I need moar answers for the discussion gold badge.

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

9:46 AM

@JourneymanGeek nah most of those are deleted before the answer gets to +20, though Shog got tons of Reversal badges...

@JourneymanGeek so start posting! :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShaWizDowArd 5 of my 6 are ;p

6 of my 7 gold badges are reversals

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@JonEricson out of context (that is via star wall) it's really funny... so you saw "an adult male swimming"... like.. eh? :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShaWizDowArd it was ;p

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@JourneymanGeek was what where?

Journeyman Geek

yes.

(I quite literally was refering to the line one line on top)

rene

10:48 AM

@JourneymanGeek same here ... but discussion is harder to write posts for.

Journeyman Geek

yup

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title: mumybear.com/immune-ultra-turmeric/ by Mordach Wikler on astronomy.SE

angussidney

11:36 AM

@bwDraco yep, I can confirm that Dodsy has caused trouble in there multiple times before and I've had to call in the CMs/mods

user0042

How could this survive over an hour now?

angussidney

aaaand kaboom

rene

@user0042 because you're slacking in getting close vote privileges ...

user0042

@rene I'm flagging such stuff as much as I can :-P ...

It's a bit hard to gain rep at Meta SE, but OK I'll do my best.

Journeyman Geek

@user0042 I CWed ;p

I didn't comment cause I'm kinda likely to have said something less than polite ._.

Too many lost ~~sheep~~ devs today

@user0042 heh, I'd agree but I've basically been plugging away at a specific class of questions (moderation) and that's helped a bit.

user0042

11:51 AM

@JourneymanGeek I suspect they're all question banned at Stack Overflow. Same thing as with Meta Stack Overflow.

Journeyman Geek

@user0042 meta is simply the worst place to ask those questions ;p

user0042

@JourneymanGeek Of course

Journeyman Geek

(if nothing else, all the mods work for SE)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Two patents same product by El Ali on patents.SE

rene

@user0042 just pick a tag, for example site-recommendation, and answer all unanswered questions.

Journeyman Geek

11:56 AM

I also find popping in a few times a day helps to. Assuming you have the time.

user0042

@JourneymanGeek The Meta SE is one of my continuously open tabs :)

Journeyman Geek

1:20 PM

\o/ Repcapped ;)

SmokeDetector

1:41 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: Anyone here want to work as a liquid workforce? by Ael Ortiz on security.SE

SmokeDetector

2:17 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: why indian womens are very serious in viewing of TV serials by Web Designer Promoter on movies.SE

Elias

2:59 PM

(already gone though)

SmokeDetector

3:36 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer: How do i create a new account in Draw Something Free? by tony baker on gaming.SE

user315433

3:56 PM

!!/report webmasters.stackexchange.com/a/109430

NVZ

4:07 PM

is it mandatory to sign up and register an account on SO (unlike other SE sites) before posting anything? and has that reduced spam?

Oded

Yes and yes. Though the main reason is not spam reduction, but low quality question reduction.

SO is not the only site on the network that requires registration though.

Other sites that require registration to ask: askubuntu, electronics, math, physics and software engineering.

NVZ

4:28 PM

aha

thanks

and yet how do spam pass through, I wonder (i am not a coder)

Oded

Because spammers register?

NVZ

they automate that as well?

Oded

Yep

user315433

@NVZ Most spam comes from registered accounts. I imagine an assembly line sort of thing: one worker fills out Gmail registrations all day, another creates accounts using that email, the third posts spam.

NVZ

you meant an assembly line sort of thing.

hmm. such dedication they have.

Elias

4:38 PM

"mechanical turk"

user315433

Completely automated spam tends to get blocked before being posted.

NVZ

so it's fair to assume that 90 percent of spam that does get detected by charcoal team is human input?

i just, yesterday i think, joined charcoal, and have seen the most spams in a day in my 4 years here.

user315433

> 90% of the authors then go on to tweak their posts until something goes through, at which point they get deleted. It works ok for purely automated spam, not really at all for the human-generated spam that ends up being seen. meta.stackexchange.com/a/299161

NVZ

and i'm told those are just the ones that pass thru initial shields.

user315433

(That quote is from the most recent discussion of spam blocking, there were many previous iterations.)

Elias

4:42 PM

When you go to Charcoal HQ to see spam on SE, it's like finding sand on a beach ;)

NVZ

@Michelle yea, i imagined that. the site has been here for a decade at least.

Elias

spam on SO goes to SOCVR though

NVZ

@Elias eh, isn't that just the close voters?

user315433

@NVZ Not really, SO launched 2008-07-31.

user315433

I guess it's a decade if you round up.

NVZ

4:43 PM

@Michelle ah, now i can correct others who round up to 10 years. :P

user315433

Will there be a big celebration of 10 year anniversary? I suggest to celebrate it by merging the topbar with the footer in one thing, which will be position: fixed in the middle of page.

user315433

When the navigation becomes confusing enough that human spammers can't figure it out, the mission will be accomplished.

NVZ

of course, new platinum badges for users who completed 10 successful years lurking on the network.

Elias

@NVZ SOCVR helps flagging spam on SO. On the other hand, spam on SO doesn't go here

(if my memory still serves right) Charcoal: SE+SO spam. Tavern: SE spam. SOCVR: SO spam

NVZ

@Elias i don't think that's it.

why would such a separation be?

user315433

4:50 PM

Elias is right. The reason is that SOCVR has more than enough users to deal with spam, and that Tavern has purposes other than dealing with spam.

user315433

For the same reason, Tavern only gets spam reports if the post is not deleted in 5 minutes, which means most of reports are not seen here.

NVZ

okay, makes sense.

user315433

This room is also for talking about everything else on the network. Like how the SO blog promotes an awful Python book, for example.

NVZ

and, tavern has purposes, you say? :P

ahaha

Elias

FWIW, Town Hall takes places on Tavern :p

NVZ

4:53 PM

and is this where most of the magic happens? or is there another chat room i'm not invited to?

Elias

@Elias (btw, we're missing 13 september postscript on the answer there)

user315433

@Elias Yeah, except that Town Hall lacked a purpose of its own.

user315433

There are private rooms like mod room on SE chat, and a bunch of employee-only rooms on meta.SE chat.

user315433

@Elias I think those are added when the next one is announced, to have one bump instead of two.

SmokeDetector

5:08 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Unable to View English Home Page. Keep redirecting to Arabic Front Page. by p.in4matics on wordpress.SE

NVZ

@SmokeDetector not sure about this

user315433

5:34 PM

Looks legitimate to me

NVZ

6:09 PM

@Michelle looks can be deceiving.. but i agree with you on this one.

user310756

6:22 PM

@NVZ they've been on SO for years. A legit contributor

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Windows Server 2008: how to remove "favorite links" from Explorer? by HalfRain on superuser.com

NVZ

@YvetteColomb i see 10 months. you see more?

user315433

6:44 PM

Last month when Gordon Linoff wasn't #1 on SO was June 2016: stackexchange.com/leagues/1/month/stackoverflow/2016-06-01 He is under pressure from a new competitor now: stackexchange.com/leagues/1/month/stackoverflow/2017-09-02 (The gold mine of Python/pandas)

user310756

6:56 PM

@NVZ stackoverflow.com/users/2067301/p-in4matics on SO== stack overflow

NVZ

@YvetteColomb but that wasn't the account that posted the potential spam shown above.

how did you verify its the same user?

user310756

@NVZ when looking at spam, when you're unsure, it's a good idea to look at the user account. If they've been around and active on the network for some time - benefit of the doubt. It's the users who have account - rep 1 and no other posts throughout the network (unless they're spamming the same thing) that it's safer to assume it's spam.

user310756

@NVZ it's on their account - on the left or...

user310756

the network profile stackexchange.com/users/2360550/p-in4matics?tab=accounts

user310756

@NVZ holy cr@p, you're IPS rep has soared

user310756

7:01 PM

Now tell me what the letters mean?

user310756

we cannot have this discussion in the Awkward Silence as it's just not a good example of IPS

Shog9

IPS question would be, "How can I make people not ask me what the letters in my name mean?" [awkward-situations] [conflict-aversion] [mind-control]

NVZ

@Shog9 oh shog, you pop up everywhere. BAZINGA!

Shog9

but mostly just here

the REAL purpose of The Tavern is to give me a place to act like I'm being social without having to be in a chatroom with social people

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user310756

@Shog9 s/he won't tell me - so it's going to require some level of violence. You might want to avert your gaze

NVZ

7:06 PM

@YvetteColomb the letters? these aren't letters. In my planet, they mean Hope.

user310756

@NVZ speak English

user315433

Refiner #1599 on SO is mine... would be my rarest silver badge (hence on top in the profile page) but there is meaningless Knowledgeable badge in the way. :/

user315433

Hopefully when the new Docs badge is given it won't be as rare (or, I won't qualify for it which is even better).

user315433

FR: enable users to turn in the badges they don't want.

NVZ

are offensive words in titles always not allowed, or just when they hit HNQ?

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Q: What words are offensive in titles? What are the rules?

I saw that the title to this question had been edited, with an explanation of "this now appears on the hot list." So, apparently, the word in the title was OK at first, but now the question appears SE-wide, it no longer is? That's fine, but can somebody point to to the rules now, please, since ...

i think it's always.

but i'm thinking about it again..

user310756

7:15 PM

@Shog9 I'm having a bad run of people not awarding bounties. It's deflating

user310756

7

Q: What to do about "forgotten" bounties?

Once again I've been involved in a bounty that expired and finally was auto-rewarded. From my own limited experience this seems to happen more often lately. There's a lot of small "injustice" at Stack Overflow I can just shrug about and forget. That's an essential faculty to keep having fun ther...

discussion bounty

Shog9

7:48 PM

@YvetteColomb balancing act between spamming people even more and just accepting that some significant number are careless

user310756

@Shog9 huh?

user310756

This put it into perspective for me.

bjb568

Yay, I’m home alone and I decided to make brownies!

!!/brownie

SmokeDetector

@bjb568 Brown!

user315433

> Home Alone 5: Making Brownies

user315433

7:53 PM

Also funnyjunk.com/That+escalated+quickly/funny-pictures/5490347

user315433

8:20 PM

> "People are " + str + " when you're a " + str + "r."

user315433

Is there any other word that fits here, besides "strange"?

user315433

I Never Talk To Strangers - Tom Waits with Bette Midler

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bjb568

8:46 PM

Oh, just r, not er.

user310756

there's no e

user310756

alone

user310756

people are alone when you're a loner (jk)

bjb568

People are báshè when you're a basher.

People are binne if you're a binner.

user310756

slime

user310756

8:51 PM

grime

bjb568

Oh, a fully English one: People are charge if you're a charger.

user310756

large

user310756

devine

bjb568

ice, if "a" can be made into "an".

user310756

live

user310756

8:57 PM

now that's interesting

user310756

people are live when you're a liver

user310756

orange

user310756

oh 'an'

user310756

@Michelle this is all your fault ^^^ give ocds a puzzle to solve :)

SmokeDetector

9:12 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, mostly dots in body: P.D.F question? by overtherainbow on math.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Of the shoah (holocaust) witnesses by user41972 on skeptics.SE

gnat

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A: Why is "incest" a blocked word for the hot list?

The hot list is shown to visitors of all sites, including many who may not be familiar with other sites topics, etc. Questions containing terms which may be entirely on-topic for a given site, but which are potentially traumatic or risk meaningful distraction to others are blocked. The list i...

^^^ anything is allowed as in regular questions, it's just system blocks titles with some words from getting into HNQ

...they say "censorship" is a technically accurate word for that

user315433

9:27 PM

"grease" would be another option along the lines of "slime"

user315433

9:47 PM

I wouldn't describe someone's refusal to publish the stuff I sent them as censorship.

Nick Alexeev

Is there a good online IQ testing service out there?

gnat

@Michelle these are not my words, I only quoted how SE team describes what they do. I also think that saying "sites sending the stuff to them to publish to HNQ" gets things rather backwards. Many sites protest against the way how their questions get indiscriminately spammed to entertain Stack Overflow passers by

SmokeDetector

10:42 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Parents not understanding by Lord Mushroom on islam.SE

SmokeDetector

10:58 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: What does Quran say about beating my wife? by Lord Mushroom on islam.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted user: Of the shoah (holocaust) by user41972 on skeptics.SE

user315433

11:36 PM

@Michelle "broke" is the best I have so far. And it was already used... "I got a call from my broker // The broker informed me I'm broke".

user315433

I Don't Believe

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user315433

Stack Overflow em Português reached 100K answers, the 21st site to do so.

Journeyman Geek

@NVZ rofl. I was debating suggesting that as a gold badge...

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