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12:56 AM

@JasonC 0_0

@JasonC perfect opportunity to try the rice thing?

Jason C

@JourneymanGeek I had it in rice for three days but it was toast

Journeyman Geek

alas

The nice thing about starting work early is no one's really in for the first two hours. The bad thing is the first two hours lull you into a sense of complacency, and people sometimes forget you started work earlier than them.

user315433

1:42 AM

Three SE sites have Comments/Answers ratio over 5: Skeptics, Hinduism, and Politics. (Excluding metas).

Journeyman Geek

oddly, not surprised.

user315433

1:58 AM

1 and 3 are predictable, but why does Hinduism generate more comments than other religions?

Journeyman Geek

Well, in a sense, there's a lot of differing philosophies and cultures under the umbrella of hinduism

and different ways of seeing things

user315433

2:11 AM

@ShreevatsaR We're not refusing to fix anything, we just haven't had the time to get to this. My team is responsible for many things and this is one of a sea of them. I also get pinged at a minimum of dozens of times a day across the network and chat...I don't get to every message (there aren't enough hours in the day). I'm really glad the community is stepping up here, but I'd be lying if I said I'll have time to assist in the near future. There's a lot in progress and all of it higher priority - that's the no-BS status of things at the moment. — Nick Craver ♦ yesterday

user315433

The absence of BS is refreshing, but saying that everything else is higher priority than this issue... is harsh.

user315433

Nobody on TeX Meta discussed the possibility of a userscript that would make the necessary replacements with a single click.

user315433

Oh well. It looks like they got most of them fixed by now.

user202362

2:27 AM

I run a server, managing 7 apps (ios & android), 2 houses and helps to manage another 3

user202362

and yet, I still have time for drone, chicken and you guys

user202362

and a company on top of that, albeit the company is as small as my tiny house ... not the point

user202362

full of holes, everything in my life is full of holes!!!

user202362

everything needs fixing

user315433

Review auto-comments should be one-flag deletable. (Better yet, age away.)

user315433

2:55 AM

TIL copy-pasting a CSV file into Google Sheets (followed by "Data / split text to columns") is a lot faster than importing the file with File -> Import -> Upload -> Where from -> choose how...

user202362

3:06 AM

...

user202362

newb tips

Jason C

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Elephant

3:39 AM

huff...

Journeyman Geek

4:16 AM

woof?

Pritt Balagopal

5:01 AM

Hi!

user310756

5:21 AM

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 mins ago, by humn

Is there somewhere else to steam? Show me out the door if not.

user310756

i recommended here :)

humn

I sometimes try to delete comments and chats regretted. My own!

I'm a compulsive editor.

Is there no help?

tripleee

@humn it's still not clear what your problem is. You want to undelete a comment of your own?

humn

I want to delete some. Too late, seems. Perhaps that's how this display works.

user310756

@humn is that what that flag was for?

tripleee

5:25 AM

maybe show us an example of a problematic one

user310756

@humn you flagged your own comment?

tripleee

the date stamp on each comment is a hyperlink you can copy/paste

humn

You've got worse problems, i get it.

user310756

@humn I'm actually trying to help you

humn

I just want the ability to touch up a sentence or two after a minute or two. Small potatoes.

tripleee

5:26 AM

or is this a terminology problem? On Stack Exchange sites, "comments" refer to remarks we leave on posts, like this one:parenting.stackexchange.com/questions/4367/…

whereas I'm guessing maybe you want to edit a chat message which is more than 2 minutes old

user310756

I think s/he means comments in a chat room

humn

Right. My actual posts are as edited as necessary.

tripleee

no real remedy for that, once a chat message is more than two minutes old, only a moderator can do anything

humn

So I whine.

Thanks for understanding. (That's sincere! I really appreciate the chance to pule.)

tripleee

maybe upvote this one

16

Q: Allow owner of message to delete them in chat

I have been using chat quite a lot recently and when posting some code blocks I sometimes get them wrong and it has gone past the threshold to edit it and I try to delete it but all I can do is flag it for a moderator. This in my opinion is very counter productive and annoying for the moderator...

not exactly what you are asking but I'm guessing there is one for editing as well

being able to delete and then resubmit is a clumsy but workable workaround

Elephant

5:29 AM

Considering chat is an (almost) real-time, editing it in 2 minutes is already a privilege

user310756

@humn s'ok

humn

Oh, the number of comments I've deleted and retyped to the confusion of their recipients.

user310756

thank god there's a 2 min time limit :)

Elephant

Yeah, I guess it's better to think longer before posting. (same goes to everyone including me)

user310756

and speaking

user310756

5:32 AM

same for me too

user310756

don't you just love it when we're all chatting, but ignoring the elephant in the room :D

humn

(... ready? ... thinking of what to type ...)

Elephant

waiting...

humn

Thank you for letting on. Just want to edit every last keystroke.

user310756

ignoring elephant in the room

humn

5:35 AM

(assuming that references something beyond my screen scroll)

user310756

@humn erm there's a user in here called Elephant

tripleee

@YvetteColomb maybe they have a really limited screen scroll

user310756

@tripleee is there such a thing? Like a one inch wide screen?

humn

Now I'm scrolling on the floor

user310756

@humn now that is confusing

tripleee

5:38 AM

@YvetteColomb Apple watch?

user310756

@tripleee I was going to say that!!! lol

tripleee

seriously, web designers who assume everyone uses their browser full screen should be lined up against the wall and aimed at with a ... blunt pointing device

humn

That's what I was standing up against in another room!

Coders are people too.

Then I got potty-mouthed and tried to delete a message or two after a moment's reflection or two.

user310756

I didn't see anything bad

humn

High standards! Very reassuring.

Thank you for diverting me here, Yvette.

user310756

5:47 AM

yw

humn

Guess that's all for now. Tantrum over. This is one of the most permissive media.

Elephant

Keep calm and have a drink :)

user202362

@Elephant you are the the elephant in the room! 🐘

Elephant

@Telkitty Thanks, kitty 😺

humn

Now couldn't resist: I smell a rat.

When lucky.

(another strip to edit)

... now off again to smell awful elsewhere ...

Elephant

6:02 AM

When a rat, cats, dogs, bears, lions and elephants are in the same room...

JamesENL

6:57 AM

sigh being on the receiving end of Mjölnir sucks.

tripleee

if it's not a learning experience, maybe the hammering should be contested? I often hope for receiving users to go "duh, of course"

but probably the duplicate target is often too obscurely laid out to achieve that effect, at least immediately

JamesENL

Well it was pretty much an exact duplicate of the hammered question, with a minor variation on Code Golf. Not really worth contesting IMO. I was just annoyed that the question didn't show up in the similar question box at the top of the page.

tripleee

yeah, that's certainly miffing

JamesENL

Especially when the time between hitting post question, and Mjölnir was about 15 seconds

Journeyman Geek

lol. I'm told the similar questions box works better than search for dupes ._.

but if its within 15 seconds, clearly someone remembered the other one

Shadow Wizard

7:21 AM

plz-close-delete-nuke-exoplayer meta.stackexchange.com/questions/297340/… @rene @Bart @TravisJ

@Elephant you forgot a comma!!!11!!!

@JamesENL why? It's so fun.... :D

@humn who said rats smell awful? ;)

Shadow Wizard

7:38 AM

looks like spam to me ^

rene

8:04 AM

@JasonC Can't you do that in your own time?

@ShadowWizard gone already, OP deleted

Shadow Wizard

@rene surprise! But spam also self deleted, which is bad, spammer can undelete it any time. :(

...and I can't flag it due to the pending spam flag. :/

bug report on the way! (6-8 hours)

Journeyman Geek

8:28 AM

@ShadowWizard maybe he's learnt the error of his ways and the futility of spamming on SE....

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek rofl! lmao! lol! hehehe!

humn

@ShadowWizard , I should be so lucky

Now, everyone, back to making this place dull!

(rt in humn's clothng)

(and still desperately seeking and edit stroke)

user202362

we usually act dull in front of newbies

user202362

once you are gone, we shall start acting normal again

3

humn

I tried to go.

(Too many ways to finish that sentence to even try.)

Now I'm trying to leave.

Should just split.

But found a place that loves to play with language.

Up there, somewhere, a double entendree from someone called tripleee! What could be better?

Stop me before editing again.

@humn me again when it's time to play along or pack up the marbles.

tripleee

9:05 AM

@humn triple entendreee?

humn

Thank youuuuu

I surface for chum. And other delights.

And write for effect.

(And want to edit every last line as if it were the last.)

Is this the echo room of the gods or of the feathers?

Perhaps someone led me into this canyon just to box me out.

(language!)

(please let me edit, not just dribble on, it can get better)

Oded

9:26 AM

@ShadowWizard spammer destroyed. Can't undelete that post.

humn

(More fun wordplay, to be unable to undelete something unregretted. Nice.)

user202362

humn

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

(as a medical editor i wwwwwwwwworry for such a cutie, as an editor i stroke keys)

user202362

@Oded I know what you're thinking ;)

user202362

really wanna press that little button to nuke that chat spammer into the moon orbit, don't you?

humn

9:36 AM

......!

user202362

Oded

humn

Let that be a joke!

stop me before i medical-edit again.

user202362

I can't find a picture of height challenged unicorn

humn

It might be called a narwhal.

user202362

9:42 AM

humn

What'll happen next? That's a great graphic!

user202362

I know right ... :x

Elephant

@Telkitty let me guess, the fish turns around, and...

humn

(laughter safely out of reach of a safety net)

(or a sanitorium net)

(give me a butterfly net, or internet)

(Or fishnets! On a kinky day.)

I should go back to Literature SE but this room really attracted my nuisance.

All from a moment of noisance.

Oded

Can't disagree with that.

Shadow Wizard

11:28 AM

@Oded cheers!

Feeds

12:13 PM

Luckily for my interpretation, no precincts were won by the Green Party.

user315433

12:38 PM

Islam is 5 years old today. Most viewed from last year: Is it permissible to use "subliminals" in videos to change one's eye color? and, perhaps of wider interest, Are Muslims encouraged to read the Bible and/or the Torah? Why or why not?.

user315433

It somehow happened that Buddhism site was launched (as private beta) on June 17, Hinduism on June 18, and Islam on June 19.

Bart

@Guero nobody went for the "Yeah, that's not scientifically proven. That's bullshit." ... great

Elephant

@Bart the comment almost did that. And I might re-emphasize that comment once more.

Bart

Just post a link to it on Skeptics, and let them battle it out. :p

user315433

12:58 PM

Whether the thing is possible is not really on topic on the religion site, so I think it makes sense to have the question answered as "if this kind of thing were possible, would it be ok".

Bart

With that argument, I could ask for Unicorn recipes on Cooking SE. But hey, I don't participate on such sites, so let them deal with it in whatever way they like.

Elephant

anyway, I decided not too~

user315433

Recipe requests are off-topic on Cooking.

user202362

@Bart faith is good for herding

user202362

but the herded don't need to know that

user202362

1:05 PM

humans are in super herds

user315433

The followers of the Tabs religion appear to be discriminated against.

user202362

I have written 10 spaces in this sentence & no tabs

user315433

Is it even possible to use tabs in SO posts? All I get is the editor losing focus.

Bart

I am a proud member of the church of Torbjörn, and encounter discrimination on a regular basis.

user315433

> Monday morning favorite activities: 1. Enabling HTTPS redirects for our chat. 2. Deploying Content-Security-Policy headers. 3. Poking bears. -- Nick Craver at 6:03 AM - 19 Jun 2017

user202362

1:10 PM

SO written in MS .net of course it has tab order

Journeyman Geek

lol

I'm hindu. I mostly avoid the hinduism site ._.

user202362

@Guero How nu r u? Text field is only an item on the screen, you can use tabs to traversing through controls

user202362

the things you have uttered today could win you a medallion for newbie in technology

Elephant

uhh... read again. you may got boomerang'ed

(wait, was I trolled?)

user315433

1:30 PM

user315433

Poor developers. Better offset that trough with Ballmer peak.

user315433

Is it possible that "non-dev folks" also have to concentrate on something when they work? Hmm.

user202362

fake scientific graph

humn

1:49 PM

Now I forgot why.

Mithrandir

Perhaps you'd care for a W instead?

Peter David Carter

do people agree with the comments on this post: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/297349/… ?

@Guero sexy graph

user202362

the real question you should be asking is ... why spell it 'why' but not 'y'

humn

Y the L? Guess I didn't completely get the messg.

Mithrandir

@PeterDavidCarter I'm not quite sure what you're after there.

humn

1:55 PM

? the F? (trying to amuse)

(failed many times before, nothing new)

Bart

@PeterDavidCarter yup, fair comments.

Glorfindel

@PeterDavidCarter you misspelled Jon Skeet's name. That's considered a capital offense here.

user202362

Necessity is the mother of invention

user202362

who the heck is father then?

Oded

Only necessity knows

Bart

2:02 PM

@PeterDavidCarter you also seem to be confusing the function of moderators. Flagging them for an authoritative answer isn't going to achieve anything.

humn

If necessity is a mother, who the _____________ is the father?

Couldn't resist.

Answer (please ^vote): Strange bedfellows.

Like politics.

Mithrandir

309

A: Is it OK to flag my own question because I want someone to answer it?

No, please do not use moderator flags for this reason. Doing so is a sure-fire way to get yourself into trouble with the very people who will see your flag. Why not to do this Moderators are people who deal with problems in the community, such as inappropriate posts (as you've correctly pointed...

Shadow Wizard

2:23 PM

@Telkitty Kevin Spacey

Father of Invention

Father of Invention is a 2010 American comedy-drama film directed by Trent Cooper, and stars Kevin Spacey, Camilla Belle and Johnny Knoxville. == Synopsis == Robert Axle, a New Orleans-based infomercial guru, loses it all when one of his inventions maims thousands of customers. After eight years in a maximum-security prison, Axle is ready to redeem his name and rebuild his billion-dollar empire. But first he must convince his estranged daughter to let him live with her and her quirky, over-protective roommates. == Cast == Kevin Spacey as Robert Axle Virginia Madsen as Lorraine John Stam...

Elephant

2:36 PM

Did I step on a deep mud...

Shadow Wizard

2:50 PM

?

Elephant

Commenting on a... bit controversial MSE post about study on voting behavior.

Shadow Wizard

@Elephant huh, found it.

dragging @Elephant into the mud

I go with "If you don't understand it, don't take part in it".

Elephant

I've decided that will be my last comment on that post.

I think this is a very interesting idea and subject that has somehow gone way off somewhere it doesn't need to be and I can't quite figure out where or why... — Cai 7 mins ago

user202362

Shadow Wizard

@Guero they are preserved only if using code formatting.

@Elephant ask @Bart. It rarely works. ;)

It's like a diet: "That's the last day I eat chocolate. No more chocolate starting tomorrow!"

@Elephant wait, that's not your comment!

Unless you're a sock of @Cai? :D

@Telkitty yours?

user202362

2:59 PM

I wish, but I am not a pig farmer :p

Derpy

@Elephant are you two related?

Elephant

@Derpy lolwut

Derpy

I seem to recognize the elephant on the right.

user202362

I only heard about flying pigs

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty how much does a pig cost? I guess mud is free, just put water on the soil.... :D

Derpy

3:03 PM

@Telkitty ^ wish granted.

user202362

@ShadowWizard according to gumtree $80-@200 a head

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy that's better IMO

@Telkitty whoa... that's a lot.

user202362

so cute :p

Magisch

5:25 PM

damn upguard.com/breaches/the-rnc-files

Apparently Full Address, Full Name, Date of Birth, and sensitive voting info of 198 million american voters was leaked on an unsecured amazon cloud server

rene

5:50 PM

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Bart

@Magisch holy carp

Magisch

@Bart My first instinct was "No fucking way" but apparently it's legit

rene

I admit it is much easier to simply put all your data in the wide open instead of Facebook or Google carefully constructing an profile of you ...

Bart

6:10 PM

Now I know why the republicans aren't worried about Russian hacks. They just leak it themselves.

bluefeet

:O

Magisch

@bluefeet my first reaction

It was unsecured on the server by nothing but a sub domain for 6 months

someone is bound to have it

rene

I think the republicans should now offer a program to all those involved to change identity ...

At their expense ...

Magisch

@rene How do you change the identity of over 95% of registered voters in the US?

rene

6:28 PM

I dunno but I assume the smart minds behind this data and its leak will figure something out.

At least they have a leader now that both has the money and the power.

rene

6:57 PM

→ 3 messages moved to Chimney

rene

7:17 PM

> Thanks ahead

@Guero not sure if we had seen that ^ already ...

Noah Cristino

@rene hi

I need help, and I'm not sure if I need a moderator to do this or not, so I'm just going to ask one of you

Can anyone of you see how close I am to getting out of a question ban?

rene

No, we can't nor can moderators I think.

Noah Cristino

I saw a quesiton about why do I have a question ban

and some guy said you're close

or something like that

I have 460 rep and I got banned at like 11

:P

rene

7:44 PM

You're allowed one question every 6 months then. Make sure that question is awesome.

Shog9

Or go find your best question and edit it to make it better. I recommend adding a descriptive title.

rene

8:04 PM

Hmm, that got resolved quickly ... maybe it was caching?

Noah Cristino

someone just voted all my questions, some up some down

Was it you @rene @Shog9

Shog9

nope

Noah Cristino

That's weird

It all happened 35 minutes ago

Shog9

@rene there's a delay between the end of a suspension and the scheduled task that actually lifts the suspension. Also looks like Oded got in there & kicked it.

rene

That makes sense. The task and Oded kicking things

Noah Cristino

8:15 PM

@Shog9 Can you see how close I am to getting un question banned?

I was banned when I was new, but since then I have gotten tons of positive rep, and answered tons of questions

And, it's been 9 months and I still haven't been able to ask another question.

Shog9

29 mins ago, by Shog9

Or go find your best question and edit it to make it better. I recommend adding a descriptive title.

@NoahCristino do that ^^^

Noah Cristino

Ok

Shog9

you have titles like, "Python file server" and "Strange Python Glitch" - those aren't very descriptive.

Noah Cristino

I'll edit them

@Shog9 for stackoverflow.com/questions/40030188/python-file-server

I found out the error

wasn't related to the server

so should I delete?

Jon Ericson

@NoahCristino Self-answering can be good.

Noah Cristino

8:19 PM

But

The client was just printing data[:6]

rene

@NoahCristino see also meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10647/… and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/276058/…

Noah Cristino

I don't have the client code anymore though

Will I lose the upvote rep?

Andy

3

Q: When deleting own question, do I lose reputation points?

If someone posts a question and then decides to withdraw/delete it, do they suffer a reputation penalty? Note the following message: Delete this answered question? We do not recommend deleting questions with answers because doing so deprives future readers of this knowledge. Repea...

support reputation self-delete

Noah Cristino

@Andy I need one more upvote :( Can you help me out ;) stackoverflow.com/questions/40030188/python-file-server

rene

Please don't beg for upvotes.

Andy

8:31 PM

Also, fix the title like Shog suggested

Noah Cristino

I'm fixing the titles

But I just want to delete that question. Because the error, was actually completely unrealted to the code that I shared.

@rene I'm not begging, I'm politely asking ;)

rene

Don't see the difference

Noah Cristino

Sorry

for stackoverflow.com/questions/40499173/…

I upvoted but now I realized the answer isn't related to the question at all

But, my vote is locked

rene

8:45 PM

The title didn't improve on that question. Once your post is Mortensen'd I would leave it alone.

Andy

Ah, we made that a verb now? I missed the memo.

rene

@NoahCristino you have to wait for the answer to be edited, that will unlock your vote.

Noah Cristino

Why would he edit it?

It's been a year

rene

@Andy it might be out on the next batch, in 6 to 8 weeks. You'll get it, just pretend from now on you read the memo.

@NoahCristino maybe because you commented ...

Noah Cristino

oops

Shadow Wizard

8:49 PM

@NoahCristino need it for..... ?

Noah Cristino

@ShadowWizard ?

Shadow Wizard

If you were at 1995 rep I would understand, but you're not...

@NoahCristino why do you need "one more upvote"?

Noah Cristino

To delete the question

since if you have 3 upvotes you won't lose rep

Shadow Wizard

@NoahCristino but you can't delete it anyway

It got upvoted answer.

Noah Cristino

@ShadowWizard But it's a terrible question

No one answered

Andy

8:52 PM

@ShadowWizard I think he means this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/40030188/python-file-server

Shadow Wizard

@NoahCristino it got upvotes, and answer with upvotes, so it can't be really that terrible. :)

Noah Cristino

2

Q: Python file server

I followed a tutorial to make this, and I'm trying to add an ls command so you can see the files to download. The code works, and all the prints return the right things, but the client only shows six letters of one of the files. Server: import socket import threading import os def RetrFile(name...

python

@ShadowWizard You looked at the wrong question

Shadow Wizard

Maybe terrible for you, but others find it useful. Let it be.

@NoahCristino oh. Still, 2 upvotes means 2 people thought it's useful. Why delete it?

Noah Cristino

Idk why they upvoted

Shadow Wizard

If you really want you can delete, and lose just 10 rep.

Noah Cristino

8:53 PM

The issue was unrelated to the question

Shadow Wizard

@Andy verb is new, but that guy is famous for long time.... ;)

Feb 11 '11 at 14:05, by Yi Jiang

(Yeah, picky, but if you don't, Mortensen will come after you ;)

@NoahCristino well, if you can explain the real issue maybe self answer is due?

Noah Cristino

But, I don't have the code where the issue was in

the issue was in the client and I posted the server code

Shadow Wizard

@NoahCristino well, your call... personally I'll just leave it be. No harm done there.

Noah Cristino

Ok, I'll just leave it

Shadow Wizard

Think I still got some not-so-good questions on SO.

yep. Dunno why downvotes, I suck at C/C++ so can't really tell. Also no real answers, I can delete it (the single upvote on the answer is mine)... but heck, why bother? :)

@Noah wait, you're Q banned on SO???

@NoahCristino you really think Shog will go and serially upvote someone? lol

Noah Cristino

9:10 PM

Yea

Just one question so I can delete

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