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user315433

12:42 AM

I will bring this back to the attention of the team working on the Q&A mobile experience. I agree that it has been lacking attention. — Geoff Dalgas ♦ May 4 at 12:53

user315433

You don't say...

John

1:49 AM

The last message was posted 1@Gerry ago

hichris123

2:48 AM

→ 31 messages moved to Chimney

Aibobot

5:47 AM

(JMG's sock. On a work pc, and rather not log in with my google account here)

Elephant

6:21 AM

It's been a long time since Android.SE questions got into HNQ. Moreover, 2 of them.

user202362

8:48 AM

big cat walk

Shadow Wizard

10:17 AM

@Aibobot welcome to Tavern, Mr. sock! What you can do? ;)

@Gerry and this is after years of ignoring all comments on his answer. Makes it feel like a roulette when posting a comment on their answers. "20 Red means they will reply. Anything else, you won't get any reply. House wins".

And I'm 1000000000% sure he won't reply again for 6-8 years.

So thinking about it... that comment was just pointless as it's obvious nothing will come out of it.

I have no idea how OP of this question has 2k rep on SO. It's pure crap. I mean... seriously.

Maybe he thought "Oh, here is a trash site, let's dump some crap here"?? lol

user315433

10:33 AM

There may be a reason not to implement mobile views for /review, and I'd be happier with status-declined on that FR. Editing on mobile devices is hard, partly because mobile views of the editor aren't that great. So mobile reviewers will be disinclined from editing, limiting themselves to pushing buttons.

Shadow Wizard

@Gerry which is what most people do anyway, or just Skip instead of Improve, so for most people it doesn't really matter and they'll be happy for friendly way to do basic review actions.

user315433

That's true as well, especially for Close / Reopen. But on the other hand, First Posts queue without edits isn't that great.

Shadow Wizard

@Gerry oh, that's true. But still, much better than nothing...

Shadow Wizard

10:58 AM

So if the new app will be shipped, there will be:
SE app vs. SO app
Old app vs. New app

Bart

> Thank you for your feedback. My experience, is my own, which I will not debate you on. I write/speak/organize/etc. from what I know and if that isn’t your experience then great. Have a wonderful day 😊

... right ...

"Lalala, didn't hear you, lalalala, they are trolls"

Journeyman Geek

11:24 AM

@ShadowWizard I quite literally just use that account on PCs I don't have admin rights on or don't want to sign into google on

Shadow Wizard

11:37 AM

@JourneymanGeek heh. But do you actually post with that account? You can read chat even without logging in, you know. :)

user315433

11:53 AM

Gah, I'm up super-early for the 8am final exam...

user315433

Tori Amos - Mr. Zebra (lyrics)

►

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I do actually chat on it

user315433

Usually helps me wake up at this time of the day...

Journeyman Geek

also it has 1000+ reputation from an answer I posted right before wandering home from work

user315433

In fact, I played it before 8am finals once or twice in an attempt to wake up the class. Not sure it worked, there was no control group.

Shadow Wizard

12:01 PM

@Gerry super early for you is 6 AM?

user315433

12:13 PM

Not a morning person.

Shadow Wizard

It's all about habits. :)

So all is ready for the 8am exam? @Gerry

Also, I hope you won't erase pages of students.... ;)

user315433

Yeah, the exam is proceeding normally. Everyone showed up.

user315433

I did the erasing thing once, actually.

user315433

Spilled a generous amount of tea on the pile of homework, and did not notice at first. Water soluble ink on some of the papers.

user315433

A quiz from balpha:

user315433

12:24 PM

> One of these is usually inacceptable engineering. The other is usually ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Why? pic.twitter.com/yodOxrHzfa -- Ben Dumke-v. d. Ehe at 4:44 AM - 9 May 2017

Shadow Wizard

@Gerry ouch. Students laughed at that?

user315433

Yes, that was fun. These days I collect homework online (overleaf.com) so the fun is over.

Shadow Wizard

oh, Teacher 2.0

But you can still spill tea on the keyboard, causing you to misclick something and give false grade.... :D

@JourneymanGeek yeah, think it was mentioned not long ago as part of HNQ discussion.... ;)

@JourneymanGeek well, @Derpy used to be bot account too in the past, then one day it became the primary account. ;)

Bart

12:45 PM

@ShadowWizard back in my day they introduced the first computers in our school. They didn't need to misclick for false grades, we could just change them. Apparently they were unaware they had bought into a workstation setup connected to a central computer, and that all grades were just WordPerfect files accessible to anyone ... we were kind enough to tell them :D

Shadow Wizard

@Bart LOL..... that's just awesome! You were always innocent and too good, I know. :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard somethat unlikely I'll switch, the jmg name has a fairly good amount of recognition at this point

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek as did @SPA back at the time...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard mostly good ;p

Bart

1:01 PM

@ShadowWizard freaking goody two shoes. I should have done more bad stuff :D

user315433

> i have achieved my goal with bellow

user315433

Roaring at the computer helps to scare it into submission.

Shadow Wizard

@Gerry where.... is it... from? ;)

@Bart two shoes? You never even lost a shoe?

My daughter keeps losing stuff at school. o_O

Not a shoe yet, thankfully.

They cost like $20

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard duck tape?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek hmm? Context? Which of my messages does it reply? :)

Journeyman Geek

1:06 PM

> My daughter keeps losing stuff at school. o_O

;p

Shadow Wizard

(sorry too used to using reply, so hard to guess)

@JourneymanGeek oh. Sticking all her pens, papers, and books to her body would help her not to lose them but would look bit weird.

:D

(and 3 USB sticks)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard sacrifices have to be made

I just have mine on my keys

Shadow Wizard

(that she lost. didn't give 4th yet.)

Bart

@ShadowWizard given the size of my feet, a lost shoe wouldn't really go anywhere, nor fit anyone else :D

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek she has no keys yet...

Journeyman Geek

1:09 PM

or a keychain or... ;p

Shadow Wizard

(she will just lose them too, for sure. ;))

@Bart yeah yeah, brag about your big feet. I don't envy.

:P

Bart

Me neither, I have to buy shoes online. There are literally no shops here that sell them my size :D

Shadow Wizard

Size 60?

Bart

Hahaha, nah, not that extreme

Journeyman Geek

I'm only a size 11EE/12

Bart

1:11 PM

I'm 50 (or 15 US)

Shadow Wizard

I'm 45-46

@Bart hehe, last entry in the table

I also buy shows online usually, but because it cost like 1/3 the price

Since the last time was a disaster, and the shoes arrived after over an year (!) think I won't do it again.

(though I did get them at last, plus a bonus pair)

user315433

Interesting post on SO blog, for a change: Introducing Stack Overflow Trends

user315433

Using the number of questions as a proxy for "interest in language" is not without flaws, but...

user315433

The data science plot includes MATLAB (hm) but not sklearn (grr)

user315433

1:29 PM

user315433

Well, these are kind of different in that one is essentially a black box spewing out wisdom, and another is a collection of tools doing specific non-magical things.

user315433

Not sure if the default set of tag (r and statistics) at insights.stackoverflow.com/trends is meant as a data scientist's dig at statisticians... In any event, statistics is a borderline off-topic tag on SO, so its usage says pretty much nothing.

Journeyman Geek

lol

would be nice to do that with other tags.... on other sites

Shadow Wizard

1:45 PM

@JourneymanGeek maybe SO is selling this tool ;)

Journeyman Geek

or give other sites a little more love...

Shadow Wizard

Oh you mean SE sites? lol

Journeyman Geek

they do exist yanno

user315433

You mean legacy sites? Do they still exist?

Journeyman Geek

allegedly

(this may soooo bite me in the ass some day)

and I'm terrible since I'm mainly thinking of the rest of the trilogy rather than everywhere else...

tho, starwars and star trek? (tho b5 is better than both...)

Elephant

2:09 PM

@Gerry for some reason, "android" is considered as "andro"

user315433

Works for me.

Elephant

apparently, a client-side bug. now it's fixed @_@

user315433

no-repro from me.

Elephant

yeah, after I refreshed, it's fixed...

user315433

3:37 PM

> How would you improve the voting rate on the site? sharepoint.meta.stackexchange.com/a/1413

user315433

Sharepoint does have a low-voting problem, but what can a mod do other than go around voting, as any other user?

user315433

Maybe "stop destroying voting sock-puppets..."

user315433

A shame really, because SharePoint does have very nice voting arrows.

user315433

4:00 PM

Puzzling election has a puzzling nomination:

user315433

> I am a person, I don't post, I suck at puzzles, so I think I should be a community moderator so I can do something on this site instead of being in endless lingo.

user315433

5:41 PM

> Master’s gowns are worn open. The very long sleeves are square and closed at the end with the forearm coming through a slit near the elbow.

user315433

WTF. Why are we still doing this.

user315433

OTOH square sleeves closed at the end are a good representation of U.S. higher ed.

user315433

!!/report superuser.com/a/1207562

user315433

Oh this is another one of those new nav things. That entire system is... pretty broken right now. It's fate is not entirely clear. Still being discussed whether someone will be assigned to finish it or if it will just be dropped altogether. You won't see anything further happen with that until our new Product Manager gets up to speed on the project. — animuson ♦ 38 mins ago

user315433

Sweet.

user315433

6:08 PM

user315433

At least we are not like that anymore.

user315433

6:24 PM

> The strategy had the gambler double his bet after every loss, so that the first win would recover all previous losses plus win a profit equal to the original stake. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)

user315433

That's basically comment flags for me. If declined, flag two more like that.

Shadow Wizard

7:06 PM

@Gerry isn't there auto flag ban after X are declined?

Plus, a really pissed off moderator will just suspend you on the site to stop those flags.... :)

@Gerry soon 1000 rep on MSE, two bounties are expected?

rene

@ShadowWizard that https issue in chat happens for any room where a Feed user with a non protocol relative or fixed http avatar will post.

I didn't check all system users but so far only -2 seems to exhibit this: chat.stackexchange.com/users/-2/feeds

user315433

Is Unanimous reviews rejecting a low quality flag should decline the flag, not dispute it already status-completed? Or at least I thought this is how it works.

user315433

@ShadowWizard Yes, 25% declined in the last 7 days. meta.stackexchange.com/a/175405

user315433

So I compensate with other kinds of flags.

rene

@bluefeet Can you use your mod powers and change the avatar of chat.stackexchange.com/users/-2/feeds to be protocol relative? //cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/stackexchange/img/apple-touch-icon.png should work ...

user315433

7:19 PM

@rene Should not that be https, then? I hear protocol relative is an anti-pattern nowadays.

rene

@Gerry well, that could also work but I see an inconsistency in user profiles anyway

I don't dare to ping @bluefeet again to suggest the https option if protocol relative is a no-no ....

@Gerry the gravatar ones seem to be still protocol relative on Chat anyway.

Shadow Wizard

@rene oh, you think the URL is kept in database with http://? Sounds too simple to be true...

user315433

Puzzling election is heating up, with 6 candidates already. I'd be inclined to vote for the candidates I dislike the most... if I still had an account on that site, that is.

rene

@ShadowWizard just check it ...

Shadow Wizard

@Gerry you can always ask the team to restore your account...

@rene well, there are hundreds of system chat users with negative ID, so the only real fix must involve direct access to database and running a query/script. Even @bluefeet won't go and change hundreds of avatars.... :)

@Gerry so you were never flag banned?

rene

7:28 PM

@ShadowWizard so far I only found -2 to be a problem ...

user315433

I probably was flag banned on some sites at some point, and possibly banned somewhere now. Hard to keep track of such things, though. Hm, maybe with a script sending API requests trying to flag something with preview=true ...

Shadow Wizard

@rene oh well... :)

@Gerry meant if you ever tried to flag and found you actually can't?

rene

But it looks like the bird has flown

Shadow Wizard

:/

Maybe to same place as @Inf?

Two birds, one pool?

rene

Could be

user315433

7:58 PM

> why is it called StackOverflow and not GarbageCollection -- mikey at 12:28 PM - 9 May 2017

user315433

Good point, a bit too late to change the name though.

user315433

8:49 PM

@bjb568 How did it go?

bjb568

9:21 PM

I think it was alright.

I have another two tomorrow. I need to learn a semester of macroecon in a day, shouldn't be too bad.

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:43 PM

-3

Q: Why do people answer questions, by saying that they don't really know the answer to it?

It's very frustrating to read an answer thread and come across responses where the person often starts out by saying, "I really don't know the answer to this question, but..." Are they just trying to enhance their member standing? All they're doing is cluttering up a thread. They should be down v...

discussion

^So silly!

user315433

10:06 PM

There are so many questions where only the existence of a few comments prevents automatic deletion... And the comments are someone's failed attempt to extract some meaning from the question.

user315433

Feature request: require votes with comments. If you're commenting, you must have read the post and formed some opinion about it. Express it before anything else.

user315433

Requirement waived for users under 125 rep and those who have reached their daily vote limit.

Jon Ericson

@Gerry Huh. I've heard the opposite feature request so many times I almost slapped a mental status-declined on that. Interesting idea.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Gerry Bleh!

user315433

If the above is too extreme: require a vote before the user's second comment on the question.

Jon Ericson

10:23 PM

The typical case for comments without voting would be the question is missing some information. I suppose the argument would be the question is worthy of downvote if it's missing information needed to answer.

Also, these comments often answer the question by accident. But nobody bothers to actually write them as an answer.

user315433

Maybe just a message, then. After the second comment: "you have commented twice on this post, consider voting on it as well."

user315433

It bugs me that people try to get the OP to clarify, try again, fail... and just leave, without a downvote.

user315433

Mostly because I tend to read unanswered questions with nonnegative score, expecting to find something to think about there.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Gerry I'm often downvoting to enforce OP's reaction about my requests in comments. But I'm not so sure if the OP left alltogether already.

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