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Journeyman Geek

1:00 PM

unrelatedly @ShadowWizard i.stack.imgur.com/rI9Ey.jpg this is my dog on his way home

Jason C

@ShadowWizard i actually don't. i think poop jokes should be organic.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC :(

@JourneymanGeek nice! Looks like he love to travel by car... :D

Jason C

oh hey

Shadow Wizard

hey oh

Jason C

turns out it's trivially easy for us to change the wheel of blame people

Mithrandir

1:04 PM

@ShadowWizard הo

Jason C

it never registered to me that it was on jsfiddle

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir הממ?

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard Hey oh.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC lol! But we can only create new versions, not change the original

Jason C

right but i can update the room description

that's revision 12 anyways

Shadow Wizard

1:05 PM

Oh yes you can!

SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir It's Shadow Wizard's fault.

Mithrandir

!!/blame

Shadow Wizard

:(

Jason C

on the other hand the wheel of blame is something that i've literally never cared about. the only reason it's still in the room description at all is i'm a sucker for tradition.

i think i might have clicked it once.

Mithrandir

Right, !!/blame is easier :}

Shadow Wizard

1:07 PM

But !!/blame usually miss lots of possible people to blame

Mithrandir

!!/blame @JasonC

SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir It's Bart's fault.

Mithrandir

Bleh, can't mod abuse it here :P

Shadow Wizard

lol

Mithrandir

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 28 secs ago, by SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir It's everyone's fault.

Shadow Wizard

1:09 PM

@SmokeDetector gone

Jason C

lol

there's also the crazy built-in wheel of blame, which i never activated before but man it's weird

run this:

$.getScript('http://cdn-chat.sstatic.net/chat/Js/eggs.js');
Eggs.WOB.init();
var msg = $('.message').last().addClass('neworedit');
Eggs.WOB.blame(msg.parent().parent().attr('class').match(/user-(\d+)/)[1], msg);

it's like, a whole production. also warning: it makes sound

Mithrandir

@JasonC New? O! Redit!

Jason C

no

20

A: What Easter Eggs do the chat sites have?

Because this came up earlier in the Python chatroom: The chat script is made so all easter eggs, except the activated one, are removed at run-time, making them inaccessible. On StackOverflow, the activated easter egg is Cthulu. You can activate Cthulu by entering a regex that matches a HTML tag....

Mithrandir

@JasonC I edited that with superpowers :P

@JasonC You missed the joke.

Jason C

i'm confused but that's ok i'm just going to power through this

Elephant

1:14 PM

Not sure the egg is activated on here..

Jason C

@Elephant $.getScript('http://cdn-chat.sstatic.net/chat/Js/eggs.js'); + the appropriate Eggs init can get whatever one you want back

but i'm getting distracted, what i was really looking for was: does anybody remember that sneaky little url that gives you the list of pingable users in chat?

Mithrandir

chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/pingable/89, don't remember if that's mod-only though

Elephant

Woah... ~~the Cthulu~~ Tony the Pony, he comes!

Jason C

@Mithrandir works for me, and also in rooms i don't own. sweet, thanks.

Although

it's weird

for an arbitrary room is there a way to figure out what site those user id's are for?

Mithrandir

It's Chat IDs

So, the IDs for chat.***.com.

Jason C

1:19 PM

oh

i guess that chat.meta.se ids are the same as mse ids. it was momentarily misleading.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC yup

@Jason do your stats have stars as well?

(aka are stars part of the stuff you scraped?)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard He does ;p

Jason C

i have the information about the stars in the downloaded transcripts although i do not have any code written yet to parse them. but i do have the info.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek like all kids... ;)

@JasonC hmm.... so Star Hall of Fame won't be trivial?

Jason C

the only thing i'd be missing is new stars added to old messages that i already downloaded. which is relatively infrequent.

Shadow Wizard

1:22 PM

(Obviously @Bart is #1, just wonder about the rest ;))

Jason C

it wouldn't be trivial but it wouldn't be prohibitively difficult either

Mithrandir

76

Q: I'm seeing stars! (I can see who starred a message and so can you)

So I was making a chatbot in Ruby for SE chat, and I discovered that I could find out the starrer of a message. I'm pretty sure stars, like votes, are supposed to be anonymous. Although this knowledge would help for cases of star trolls like this. Here's the specific slice of code that do...

Jason C

however i'd probably want to redownload the previous 3 or 4 days of transcripts each time to keep the old message star counts fresh. it's too bad i can't download old info about timestamps of stars, i'd be curious to see the distribution of message ages.

@Mithrandir yeah i know about that. it's fun. but it's for real time stuff. here we're dealing with scraped transcripts for past data.

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir nah, different thing. @Jason isn't using bots or sockets, just plain old screen scraping.

Jason C

@ShadowWizard another data source could be scraping chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/89/tavern-on-the-meta/… but it's unnecessary for me since i have the transcripts. just fyi.

Shadow Wizard

1:26 PM

@JasonC yeah, too bad it won't accept "user" query string parameter e.g. chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/89/tavern-on-the-meta/…

Jason C

no but you can rebuild that on your end

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC sure... just too lazy. :D

Jason C

cheers to that

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard lol. When we change our car this year, one of the most important things we need to look at are arm rests the right height for him to look out of ;p

Jason C

but whatever. at some point i'll do all this. i've been planning a little web site with the transcript scraping that gives you better search and fun stats for all the rooms.

it's a lot of data to store, though.

Mithrandir

1:40 PM

Oh cool, wildcards work in favorite tags.

Jason C

@JourneymanGeek that's adorable

Stijn

@Mithrandir yeah but they auto expand IIRC, making them slightly less useful than they could be

@Stijn: Is this question in any way clear as to what it wants? Maybe the dupe is not a perfect fit, but don't re-open questions that should be closed any way. — Cerbrus 3 mins ago

^That looks like abuse to me.

Using gold badge powers to close as a dupe when it isn't, but leaving it closed because it's not a good question anyway.

SmokeDetector

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Journeyman Geek

2:10 PM

@JasonC We once rented a minivan with arm rest that did not meet his standards. he was not happy

Jason C

haha, aw. i wonder if there's some as-seen-on-tv invention for this.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Shadow Wizard

2:25 PM

@JourneymanGeek lol... of course. You keep saying "we", you mean you and your dog?

(or do you mean your parents' car?)

Fawad

@ShadowWizard ouch,I didn't saw it coming

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard my dad's car

brother borrows it quite a lot of the time.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC sounds good!

@JourneymanGeek and you the rest of the time?

Journeyman Geek

we I suppose means the household in this case.

Shadow Wizard

New meaning for "family car". :D

Journeyman Geek

2:26 PM

Never bothered with a licence ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek oh, lol

@Fawad :P

Journeyman Geek

Cars are pricy and I can get anywhere in singapore on public transport.

Shadow Wizard

@Pëkka so you had a carrot cake recently? ;)

@JourneymanGeek that's good.... and totally not the situation here in Israel. I mean you can get anywhere, but it can take x5 time than with car. And also not cheap.

so why bother?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard we're smaller

and cars are too expensive

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek you mean the city? Or country? Israel is smaller, I bet. ;)

Journeyman Geek

2:30 PM

@ShadowWizard erm same difference

singapore essentially is a city and its suburbs ;p

lol

We'd probably fit inside tel aviv

Shadow Wizard

23.52 million ppl in Taiwan.... only 7m in Israel :/

So.... nope.

Journeyman Geek

....

dude

Shadow Wizard

?

lol

Journeyman Geek

Taiwan is far away

Shadow Wizard

Admit it, you are bigger!

Journeyman Geek

2:33 PM

I live in singapore.

under 6 million I think

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek right, and there are over 5 million other people living there as well

Journeyman Geek

singstat.gov.sg/statistics/latest-data#16

throws official statistics

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek 5.399, though probably more now. See my screenshot :)

Journeyman Geek

We're smaller. Nyah

oh

Jason C

dammit

Shadow Wizard

2:35 PM

@JourneymanGeek bigger than Tel Aviv!

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard land area ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC that can't be good

Bart

Singapore is tiny, but densely populated

Shadow Wizard

What you broke this time? @Jason

oh if it's so tiny maybe @Journeyman can look for the long lost @UniKitty? ;)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Jason C

2:37 PM

i keep falling into this spiral of thinking that my cat's illness was preventable. i seem to be obsessed with finding environmental factors. is my other cat a carrier for some disease that i should've got her tested for? should i have taken recent water quality problems more seriously? should we have tested for e.g. chronic copper toxicity or something? it's driving me nuts.

i'm taking my other cat to the vet on thursday to have her tested for all of the big name contagious diseases.

she's not eating well either but i can't tell if it's a problem filtered through my paranoia vs. her getting used to the lack of presence of the other cat.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC no no no. no. No. NO. Stap it. Really.

I mean..... you could do nothing more/better/before, you did the best. And you know it.

Jason C

i know. but there is a reasonable part of this, too. if it is an environmental factor i want to make sure it doesn't happen to my other cat. at least that's how i'm partially justifying this.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC very partial excuse.... but just ask the doctor, he surely knows more than you, and more neutral on this so will be more focused.

Jason C

and if she is a carrier for something i need to know. i have zero plans on getting another cat but some day down the line if i do i'd need to know it was safe. or if i ever have a room mate with a pet.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC do cats even have such things? Never thought of that.

(e.g. like HIV for cats??)

Jason C

2:41 PM

yes

Shadow Wizard

:/

Still, even if your other cat does have, you couldn't possibly know.

Jason C

they can be asymptomatic carriers for felv, fip, fiv, and distemper. all of which are possible underlying explanations for my late cat's symptoms.

we never were able to determine what was going on. we couldn't get a positive confirmation of lymphoma. we had so many theories. i wasn't keeping you guys up to date in here but it was a hellish week.

yeah i can have her tested for all these things.

Shadow Wizard

And testing a new pet for all possible diseases is just crazy, if even possible.

Maybe for some common, but then what if she had uncommon disease?

Jason C

they both are up to date on rabies and distemper vaccines. she was fiv negative 3 years ago. these diseases are also communicable from street cats by flies and fleas, of which there are plenty this time of year.

i can't test her for uncommon stuff. i know.

but i can test her for the big killers.

none of them had fip vaccines.

there are other odd things that have been happening in the last few months too that we weren't able to connect. my living cat got sick, drooling, a few months ago. but her teeth weren't in great shape. so we cleaned them, through her on antibiotics, and called it a day. but could she have caught something from e.g. a flea bite and just became a carrier?

i've been depressed and not changing their litter as often as i should. a lot of these diseases are communicable through feces. could something have been trasmitted?

my late cat's black coat turned orange since december last year. we explained it as salivary staining, very common. but it's also a symptom of certain chronic metal toxicity, and the copper levels have been slightly elevated but not above epa limits in the water here for the past 6 months. i put them on bottled water 2 months ago because of a lot of sediment appearing in my tap water.

the orange is also explainable through dietary deficiencies.

Journeyman Geek

There's not much you can do about bug bites.

Jason C

2:49 PM

it's just, there's sooooo many data points we had, and we just couldn't connect the dots. it's driving me crazy. even the doctors felt like we were missing something. but we had 4 internal medicine specialists and 2 critical care specialists problem solving at the hospital. i feel like we avoided the tunnel vision problems. but it still feels weird.

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Journeyman Geek

:(

Jason C

i deal very poorly with unsolved/unsolvable problems in general.

i talked to the hospital, unfortunately we don't have enough remaining biological samples to do metal toxicity tests, and we never took a liver aspirate, ultrasound and xrays and bloodwork didn't point to the liver as the primary problem, and he wasn't jaundiced until the very end, and we were focused on the more obvious things (his spleen was enlarged, he had chronic ibd, and a massively enlarged lymph node, severe anemia).

(we had to give up when his calcium levels suddenly plummeted sunday morning and he had a seizure. he was in poor condition but stable prior to that.)

4 cytology tests (3 lymph samples, 1 spleen sample), no positives for cancer. there was an unusual distribution of lymphocyte sizes in his lymph node but not unusual enough to make a conclusion. dude we were in full on problem-solving-against-the-clock mode. and never got an answer.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC yeah I can see that...

Jason C

he's got one more lab test that hasn't returned yet. if it shows a rarer cancer then we know (although we still don't know if an environmental factor triggered it, e.g. felv sharply increases lymphoma risks), and if it's inconclusive, we never know.

Shadow Wizard

2:56 PM

But @Jason thing is, many times doctors fail to do those things even with humans, it's just too complicated, and too much data to process... so really, even with all of this, no reason to feel bad.

Jason C

unfortunately, i can't tell if this is somehow me rationalizing things and dealing with grief vs. my normal obsession with solving problems, or a dangerous combination of both.

Shadow Wizard

You give your cats better treatments than many people get in their lifetime, you know.

@JasonC I'd say combo, hopefully not dangerous...

Jason C

yeah... in any case, i am sure, no matter what, that in time i'll have a more concrete grip on how i feel about all this.

i hate this waiting-it-out phase of emotional disturbances though. silly human brains.

for now i'm just avoiding all social interaction until i have faith in my sanity again. except for the tavern, which for some reason seems to be an acceptable outlet for general insanity, lol.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC that is because here mad is sane, and sane is mad. :D

Jason C

lol

Shadow Wizard

3:02 PM

But what about the project? @Jason (I mean.... money is something we just need, not much choice)

Jason C

i wrote a thank you letter to the hospital and explicitly thanked the poor front desk staff for somehow putting up with my relentless anxiety.

yeah

i need to get back into work

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC heh, yeah.... and still about money, they didn't really do it all for free... that's also a factor. :)

Jason C

and my total 2017 vet bills are $20,500. which... ugh.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC whoa.. and it's not even half year yet.

Jason C

that's like student loan debt level

it's fine. it's motivation to get my shit together. i can make that money if i work like a normal person instead of sitting around.

Shadow Wizard

3:04 PM

Worst case, guess you can take loans from friends/family. No?

Jason C

my parents agreed to help me pay for cognitive behavioral therapy for my motivation issues, which is a long time coming.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC huh. But it still does not cover that 20k debt

Jason C

yeah i mean... my parents will help me out if i'm in a bind, they want to help me, but it's this whole complicated personal thing. i hate, hate, borrowing money from people. there's no reason i shouldn't be able to be self-sufficient at this stage in my life.

i know. but i've got good credit, a few good credit cards, i just finished paying one off last week actually. my total debt right now is down to about $12000, i actually did manage to pay $8500 off so far.

i've got about half of it on a 6-month no-interest card (after that i'm fucked).

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC it's not just self-sufficient, it's like you have kids. and they cost tons of money. You're not living alone and isolated. :)

Jason C

so all i've really got to worry about is 19% apr on the remaining $6000.

Journeyman Geek

3:06 PM

ow

Jason C

but the thing is

if i keep the freelance work coming

and work 40 hours a week like a normal person

Shadow Wizard

Most freelance work isn't per-hour, but per project. No?

Jason C

i can gross $240k/year. obviously that's waaay upper bound. but right now, with lack of motivation, i'm making like $40k/year.

Shadow Wizard

I mean, you can work 200 hours in a week and get paid for the whole project, you can choose your own hours.

Jason C

i think i can realistically make $100k

no i always bill hourly unless it's looking like a crazy huge project, in which case i work with the client and bill fairly.

Shadow Wizard

3:09 PM

@JasonC 40k/year isn't much indeed, true. It's about the average here though.

@JasonC oh, didn't know. so you report how many hours you worked every month and get paid according to this?

Jason C

it's very case-by-case. for example with my longer term client we did a weekly flat rate with a certain amount of hours built in, whether i worked those hours or not, since the projects were so unevenly distributed, and then i charged double overtime on a weekly basis. that worked well.

@ShadowWizard yeah. sometimes. every client is different. i try to work with them.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC and the current client? With the lights?

Jason C

but i have some base rates that are always my starting point.

for him it's my standard hourly rates, and daily travel rates for off site work.

he's the client i used to make the weekly flat rate for. that's when i worked for him almost full-time.

Shadow Wizard

I see

Jason C

(and now you see why i haaaaaaaaaaaaate writing invoices)

Shadow Wizard

3:12 PM

lol

But guess it's a must, otherwise IRS will be all over you... no?

Jason C

i don't want to talk about the irs

let's just say i have some catching up to do

Shadow Wizard

> In the 2015 fiscal year, the IRS processed almost 240 million returns and collected approximately $3.3 trillion in revenue, spending 35¢ for every $100 it collected.

wow

scaring away slowly

Jason C

i've been subconsciously blocking it out but the reality is i am going to owe the irs a lot of money in back taxes.

i filed for an extension this year and will be working with an accountant during the off season, i think i'll tackle it in june/july.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC sounds bad... hope it won't be so bad when the time comes. :)

Jason C

it will. oh it will. lol.

but you know: deny, deny, deny!

Shadow Wizard

3:15 PM

Stay strong.... and you might ask @Bart to give you his Smiting Stick just in case. As a loan. ;)

Jason C

lol

freelancing is fun too because for that type of payment there's a 29% base tax rate, period. so no matter what, i owe a third of what i've made in the past i-don't-want-to-think-about-it years.

fortunately, the irs does have some amount of compassion. they do payment plans. as long as you are clearly attempting to pay your taxes they'll generally be satisfied.

people give them too much hate.

i think john oliver did a nice little bit about feeling bad for irs employees.

The IRS: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

►

Shadow Wizard

Well, if they will let people off the hook too much, the government would lose billions upon billions of dollars, and they simply can't afford it.

USA itself got a HUGE debt, no?

I remember it being a big issue few years ago.

Jason C

yeah but

i don't understand economics at all

somehow it's supposed to have a certain amount of debt. for reasons i don't understand part of it is a good thing. way beyond me.

i have no idea how it relates to taxes

Shadow Wizard

What I understand is that a country got its income from its own population, aka taxes. That is used for everything. So less income, less budget. Greater debt. Bad things.

Jason C

yeah but we also borrow money from other countries and somehow that relates to keeping value to money or something.

Shadow Wizard

3:23 PM

So those who avoid taxes just harm their own country.

Jason C

yes absolutely

i am definitely not anti taxes

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC sure, that's where things get complicated

Jason C

i want to pay them

i mean that's why e.g. my roads are paved and i have running water

it's just... i get so intimidated by the process

Shadow Wizard

I think I saw not long ago that USA can't possibly ever go to war with China due to their debt or something like that. Might also be nonsense. lol

Jason C

who knows

also lol i love john oliver

Shadow Wizard

3:25 PM

@JasonC yeah, I know :)

Shog9

@JasonC fiat currency only has value as long as everyone pretends it has value. Not having debt provides less incentive to pretend what you're owed isn't worthless.

also...

Ben Franklin effect

The Ben Franklin effect is a proposed psychological phenomenon: A person who has performed a favor for someone is more likely to do another favor for that person than they would be if they had received a favor from that person. An explanation for this would be that we internalize the reason that we helped them was because we liked them. The opposite case is also believed to be true, namely that we come to hate a person whom we did wrong to. We de-humanize them to justify the bad things we did to them. It has been suggested that if soldiers who have killed enemy servicemen in combat situations later...

(I highly doubt there's much relevance there on a national level, but...)

Jason C

woo hoo a new wikipedia hole to fall in to

although right now i'm busy watching michael bolton serenade the irs, lol

user315433

TIL One of the most compelling reasons to adopt Google+ is its power to connect and engage your workforce.

Jason C

just remember, "you never miss your anus 'til it's gone"

user315433

Is SE workforce sufficiently connected and engaged on Google+?

Fawad

3:38 PM

Anonymous

Google's internal G+ wasn't even particularly active any more. I can't imagine it's a hit inside very many other companies.

Andy

3:51 PM

I imagine, in about 7 years, my company is going to look at G+ and say "Wow! Look at this new thing! We should migrate to it!" then spend 3 years migrating us.

user315433

4:44 PM

> I'd like to encourage more diverse questions. Our user base lately feels like its shrunk considerably while the world of Graphic Design has and continues to grow. -- graphicdesign.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3133

user315433

Unclear if there's data to back up the feeling of shrinkage.

user315433

As a consolation prize, GD recently overtook Ask Different for second spot in the spam ranking, behind SO of course.

user315433

Consider that GD gets about half as much spam as SO; while getting 0.17% of SO's question volume overall.

Jason C

5:09 PM

heh

SO is the 99%! We want more spam for SO! #OccupyGraphicDesign

user315433

5:22 PM

Vasudha is now the PM for Docs; I somehow missed her first post announcing this.

Shadow Wizard

7:15 PM

@Gerry heh, she got a typo in her name either on SO or in LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/vasudhaswaminathan

M.A.R.

o.o

Shadow Wizard

So Swaminthan or Swaminathan? Guess only she knows.

Easy to make mistakes with such a name, but still....

M.A.R.

It's her effing name!

Shadow Wizard

Yup. But what is her name?

M.A.R.

Hmm, maybe it's some kinda mountweasel?

Shadow Wizard

7:17 PM

mount who?

@Gerry I don't think Docs had any PM for long long time.

And that's probably why it's nearly dead.

M.A.R.

Like, she'd know which profile info is exposed when the spammers use her name

Shadow Wizard

umm... also, she's just a product. o_O

M.A.R.

What

Shadow Wizard

So... Documentation is just a fake. It's all about her. :P

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard I suddenly had a weird vision of a twisted dystopian future

Shadow Wizard

7:21 PM

@M.A.R. nah, spammers are afraid of PMs

@M.A.R. share! Please! :D

@M.A.R. this?

@Gerry heh, I was part of internal social network of a big Israeli company (amdocs), it was launched with bells and whistles (and late night party), and died rather quickly after nobody used it.

Anyway.... plus.google.com/+StackExchange looks dead to me indeed.

Will it onebox? Let's see... nope. But funny they said "and neither is this Google Plus page" - this was one of the last messages.

plus.google.com/+StackExchange/posts/LRCDSnsq6Fz

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard Well, less of the cute cupid and more of The Island

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. Island? Like England?

;)

M.A.R.

Nah, it's a movie

Mindless Michael Bay action, but still

Shadow Wizard

7:37 PM

@M.A.R. lol I know. Love trolling you. :P

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard Bad troll

If the guy doesn't feel trolled you're either very good or mediocre.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. :(

But what was your vision?

M.A.R.

A factory with different packages containing humans, that lead to QC to get stamped

Shadow Wizard

huh

Shog9

@JonEricson sometimes the most optimistic thing to do is quit when you're ahead. I guess, that ship sailed months (years?) ago for Documentation. Now, it's at an even worse spot - do you wipe everything out when you eventually revamp it (thus alienating the only people currently even interested in it)? Or do you just accept Docs will have massive tech debt in terms of low quality documentation and just hope for something miraculous to occur where all the users you've spent a year or more frustrating magically come in and save the day? — enderland 1 min ago

Kinda struggling to see where you're going with this, @enderland

Shadow Wizard

7:46 PM

He's not pingable here... unless this is a super ping?

Shog9

it is

hence the edit, since I pinged the wrong person first :-/

Shadow Wizard

heh, we mortals can't tell.

lol

M.A.R.

@Shog9 going to meta.SO

Where else? o.o

Shog9

@ShadowWizard chat.meta.stackexchange.com/messages/5946445/history

Shadow Wizard

Mike B - how you made such mistake? @Shog

> Last seen Sep 22 '16 at 11:30

Shog9

7:48 PM

@ShadowWizard don't onebox: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/133240

Shadow Wizard

Probably he won't join us anyway

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard There's an autocomplete with usernames

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. so it's using the chat user name.. and it's not synched with actual name... huh. Poor @Shog.

Shog9

What I get for relying on tab completion

Shadow Wizard

@Shog but what if you want to super ping a Dan? How you choose?

M.A.R.

7:51 PM

@ShadowWizard I'd rather be able to super-ping mistakenly than not super-ping at all

Shog9

@ShadowWizard why would I ever want that?

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 dunno, there are thousands of them.

M.A.R.

Super-pinging Jeff

Shadow Wizard

Hello @@1 what's up?

:(

M.A.R.

@Shog9 Well, he has a point. There are a lot of generic names

Shog9

7:52 PM

@ShadowWizard for that, I'd have to remember the name of the database here, and it's long and annoying.

Shadow Wizard

lol

M.A.R.

Tim, Tom, Tam, Tym . . .

Shog9

@M.A.R. so you just look up the user ID and be done with it

Andy

@M.A.R. Who are you calling "generic"?

M.A.R.

Tum?

@Andy "Andy" reminds me of the Nokia generic ringtone

Shog9

7:53 PM

@ShadowWizard No. Almost always delete.

M.A.R.

Get a non-generic name, generic-name

Shog9

If you turn in homework and your professor finds it on Stack Overflow, it doesn't help you much if your name has been removed from it.

Ditto for turning in homework and all of your classmates turning in the same answer 'cause they found your question on SO.

So they want it gone, not disassociated.

Shadow Wizard

oh, not many Dans on MSE: meta.stackexchange.com/…

Only ~100 or so

user315433

I somehow tend to have better things to do than match submitted HW against SO (or Math). But I suppose there are people who feel stronger about this / have more time.

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 but that only bury the user deeper in the question ban.

Shog9

7:56 PM

@ShadowWizard and?

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard Try Tim, John, Matt, Gill Bates, Arun and Kumar

Shog9

Folks who care enough to try and get out of the question ban < folks who care enough to try to not get kicked out of school after blatantly cheating for months

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 I mean users who try to get out of question ban by asking to disassociate their downvoted questions from their account.

Shog9

@ShadowWizard that doesn't work anyway

We just delete them and now they're extra q-banned.

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 how so? I've seen cases it was done by CM's and it actually lifted the ban.

Shog9

7:57 PM

@ShadowWizard This is pretty rare.

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 of course, but those who see it, know they can ask too