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1:14 AM
sacrifice a cute cat gif to revive the chat
2:46 AM
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3:57 AM
for some reasons dragons remind me of chickens
with self BBQ ability
4:17 AM
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6:39 AM
Was there an occurrence where a same question posted on 2 (or more) sites got into HNQ at the same time?
^ this question was prompted by this vegan icon question on graphicsdesign.se which got into HNQ, but not the one on vegetarism.se
This is gotta be the 5728950th OP I make remove their post. o.o
@AndrewT. Yep
When stuff involve two similar sites, never forget to check meta.ELL and meta.ELU for relevant posts
Q: What should be done with a question asked on EL&U which is successively asked from the same user on ELL?

kiamlalunoI am used to Stack Overflow, where when somebody asks the same question on Stack Overflow, and Drupal Answers, I flag the question for moderation attention (using "other" as flagging reason), explaining the same user asked the same question on Drupal Answers, and giving a link to the question on ...

Hmm, but there was a better post
Lemme find it
sigh Sitting on my hands waiting for the boss to do pull requests with an empty sprint board sucks
6:55 AM
48 hours to international troll day
Duck and cover
they'll get you, no matter where you are ...
7:22 AM
@Telkitty that is your day, right?
yes, the only day I (should) post on meta.SE
That brings me to the question: Are you still Q-banned?
Telkitty got Q-banned!?
multiple times in the past
7:31 AM
What site?
@Telkitty Cool. can't wait for your post then ...
7:54 AM
@rene said rene with great enthusiasm
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@rene don't gimme 2 much pressure
~breath in, breath out~
LOL, as if you care about pressure ;)
trolling is like art, when it hits you, it hits you, else I can be sitting in front of my PC for a whole day, and nothing decent will come out
8:07 AM
@Telkitty repeat after me: trolling is a art
@Telkitty s/day/week
8:42 AM
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. — Shog9 ♦ 11 hours ago
Not sure if ironic in this context.
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10:14 AM
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10:30 AM
> Yes, the achievement dialog stopped updating sometime between 07:15 and 07:45 today
someone completely not obsessed with their achievements
10:45 AM
10:57 AM
ADSL based internet services no longer require authentication like old 56k connections did right?
so, this means that the ISP is identifying me by my "telephone line ID"
Is this assumption correct?
11:12 AM
I have an userid and pwd on my ASDL line.
probably they still don't use it to identify you. DSL providers should be able to recognize (and bill) you based on your phone number.
A: How does my ISP track me?

CBHacking(A)DSL goes over phone lines, with real phone numbers (even if they aren't hooked up for calls). Changing your credentials won't change your house's phone number, any more than unplugging one landline phone and plugging in another would change the number. Additionally, your router has several un...

anyway, what I am really wondering is something more elaborate.
My friend who has VDSL says he doesn't need to log in anywhere
Suppose that your DSL provider gives you an email box too. That will probably have an user name / password
@Telkitty The more I imagine that series of waves irl, the more I giggle.
By assumption, your provider can identify you by your telephone number. So... has anyone ever considered using that info as a two factor auth?
Basically - since I am "directly connected" to the ISP, could the ISP theoretically secure the access to my mail box by checking that the request originates from my telephone number?
11:22 AM
I suppose they could
@JasonC is it before you go to the bed for the day or after you got up from the previous night of sleeping
11:48 AM
@Telkitty I went to bed early last night and woke up around 5:30 am today. It's 7:30 am now.
@Shog9 meta.stackexchange.com/questions/292905/… -- Oh no you didn't. Lol, awesome.
"What makes a chat-room suitable for conversation?" ... that's an actual question?
@Bart I can think of at least one requirement
the room cannot be frozen
@Bart it's a good question, and the answer goes along the lines of "it's like having a private racing ground for two road rage drivers"
12:00 PM
do you road rage much
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: SharePoint Apps vs Cloud Business Apps by Evie Jones on sharepoint.SE
I think it would be fun to have a "best site theme" contest.
12:16 PM
I guess the follow-up question is: how often do the readers read the comments when they have been moved to the chat room?
Because personally, I almost never read them when they have been moved to chat room...
@AndrewT. If you aren't interested enough to see what was moved to chat then it doesn't seem like the comments were important enough to leave.
Plus remember that really important comments can be reposted, or will most certainly come up again.
I have a better idea: comments from questions can be moved to the room with the same tag
instead of having many private rooms, many comments of the same topic can share the same room
That's the fundamental flaw in most of the anti-move-to-chat arguments: If somebody posts an answer that has a major error, and somebody points it out in a comment, people seem to feel that whoever pointed it out is the only person in existence who possibly could have noticed, and that that was the one chance to point it out, and that the info is lost forever if the comment is removed.
In reality, it'll just come up again.
@Telkitty Heh. Can you imagine the chat room?
We'd need a separate
live the husky alone
12:25 PM
What I think would be kinda cool is if comments were removed entirely, and instead every question just had a 'chat' button linking to its private room.
@JasonC Chem wins. Shhhh
With the "users chatting" icons and such.
That would lead to a feature request to add inline chat under posts
@M.A.R. Chem is pretty good. I'm a big fan of sharepoint, too. And RPG fits the site beautifully.
@JasonC Well, I guess there's a purge option already
But they exactly move it to chat to delete the comments while not deleting them at the same time
12:29 PM
@Stijn You could have a compromise where only the most starred were shown under posts, no interactivity. Or more interestingly: Let the OP of the post choose which comments to highlight.
OP of post or OP of question that an answer was posted on.
(Noting that I'm a big fan of anything that increases and encourages use of chat rooms.)
12:44 PM
@JasonC I don't know why but it seems that it conflicts with SE's ideal: not to duplicate comment, upvote instead. Well, one can argue that since the comment has been moved to chat, it's not a duplicate since it doesn't exist on comment section...
@Telkitty Given that I travel by train, there's not much point to that
though I'm okay if someone repost the important comment. But I personally would cease any comment interaction when I see "comments have been moved to chat room"
@AndrewT. Well, SE's real ideal is: high signal, low noise. So if you look at it that way, moving comments then reposting the important one sticks to that. Also, remember, the general feeling isn't just: upvote > comment, it's upvote / edit answer > comment.
In theory anyways
In practice people get all bent out of shape when suggested edits improve answers (not much problem when direct edits do, though -- what you don't see in a review queue can't hurt you I guess). It's kind of funny.
I'm finding this chat-instead-of-comment thing really interesting to think about, not so much a serious suggestion, just a thought experiment. I think if I have time today I might flesh it out into a discussion post. I doubt it will be well-received, I'll have to phrase carefully, but I'm really curious to see what other people have to say about it.
12:55 PM
Can you maybe share the links to I saw others on Stack Overflow asking similar things - for beginners guides, and their threads wasn't deleted or declared as off-topic.? or at least share your search term? That would be helpful. — rene 46 mins ago
For you to nuke them @rene? :p
Hmm, yes ...
Is that bad or evil or even worse?
I'm only trying to get the most out of every user of this community ....
Many users avoid down voting because of the loss of points — Nahuel Ianni 5 mins ago
Even if it kills them
@Shog9 see above. Do you think we could do an experiment where downvote cost on answers is removed for a few weeks?
Q: why do we lose rep when we downvote answers

SupernovaThe title just it, I really don't know if someone else has posted the same thing, but just keen to know, I mean if we feel an answer is no good, shouldn't we be given the freedom to down vote it at no cost?

See the comments under my answer
1:05 PM
I know why we have it, but I'm interested to see how many "oh noes my precious rep" users would downvote more often if there's no cost at all.
1:17 PM
@Stijn I think most users don't get that when an answer is deleted the rep flows back. And when that doesn't happen, it is worth revisiting to see if after an edit you need to change your vote. If you're constantly down voting answers that get accepted and top-voted, you might have to verify if you or the rest of the world is in error.
@Stijn I guess no way to tell whether removing the rep penalty is worth it or not, other than by an experiment
I've always been of the opinion that if you are truly upset about the loss of points from downvoting, then you're not the kind of person I really see any need to accommodate.
There's two types of new users there: Ones who get used to it and are fine with it, and ones that stay upset forever. The former is by definition a non-issue. The latter, who cares.
I'm upset about your who cares
doesn't care
1:36 PM
user image
carebear is a pedobear in disguise :'(
now that's a face I haven't seen in a long time
@Normal is there a place to see possible future elections on SE?
@Stijn Lol ikr
@M.A.R. All elections are possible. Do you mean those that are in preparation stage, question collection?
1:41 PM
Then it's Grace Note's network profile.
Oh, good idea
There are none currently. The Biology election is under way, no others announced.
Well this is depressing, from a nostalgic point of view: command.com
All these new fancy TLDs, and we still don't have io.sys
You can get corn.ninja for $800 though.
I'm patiently waiting for the day when I can register soup.nazi
1:45 PM
@NormalHuman we ended up with the .systems TLD
2:10 PM
someone made a sculpture of christiano ronaldo
Close enough
@Stijn the left one is the real person, right?
@Stijn I'm sure it will cause much more downvotes, question is if those will be "good" downvotes. Since those who cast "good"downvotes don't usually care about their reputation, I'm afraid it will cause many more "bad" downvotes.
e.g. the vote trolls will run on super-power.
@Stijn first enjoy down voting with no loss of reputation,then see no interest
Without rep penalty for downvoting answers, downvoting competing answers after posting your own would be standard practice.
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@NormalHuman that's an assumption. Not one that has been put to test before, afaik.
3:03 PM
@Stijn We also didn't test whether deleting Jon Skeet's account would improve Stack Overflow.
@JasonC There's actually some situations where comments are useful
No I know
I just think it would be interesting if there was only chat
Because you could reasonably reframe that as "There's actually some situations where chat messages are useful" if chat were the only option.
I only think that would be a good idea because it would tee off that chat hating user from the other day ;)
3:04 PM
@JasonC amusingly, chat is not transient. Comments are.
Yeah that was a rather odd set of complaints.
and comments, quite literally are supposed to be post it notes remind you to wear pants. And hopefully pants.
That's part of what I think makes no-comments, chat-only an interesting thought experiment. Everything said would stick around forever but not add noise to the post. Especially if the OP were able to, say, highlight chat messages to make them appear under the post.
In a sense, its a mix of people thinking its like forum threading, and chat being an odd a third place in communities that weren't designed to be social at all where people are ;p
3:07 PM
I wonder how things would be different if comments never existed and all posts had their own separate chat rooms, from the very beginning.
3:24 PM
> Big security announcement from Stack Overflow in the next few days. -- Matt Sherman at 7:29 AM - 30 Mar 2017
Don't tell me it's going to be another Joel's meta post.
3:40 PM
Meh, I dislike announcements of announcements
3:55 PM
@NormalHuman I love how Joel bitched about an immigration non-issue, then Tim Post tried to cover it up with some sort of disingenuous "we reserve the right to say things that we feel are important", and yet nobody at SE has ever made a "take a stand" post about e.g. Ajit Pai being promoted to chairman of the FCC and things that actually matter to the community.
So much eternally unforgivable stupidity.
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@JasonC What annoyed me most out of all that is that Joel pretty much dumped the stuff on Meta, left the employees to clean up the mess, and the podcast which supposedly discusses what's going on in the communities never mentioned a word about it.
And also, it was essentially an anxiety attack, which I can understand if I take a generous POV that ignores Joel's social responsibility given his position, but the refusal to acknowledge it as such was almost worse than the fact that it happened.
That's the part that sticks with me the most to this day.
I'm still not entirely sure where I stand on the issue itself. But just the way it was posted, handled and ignored was very un-SO/SE-like to me.
Shakes fist
I felt and still feel exactly that same way.
4:05 PM
yells at cloud
Feeling better now?
Not really. I'll go downvote some new users
@JasonC My gut also says... reads as if you support my comment but I propose the exact opposite. You're the first to state it is ok to take the down time.
@rene Ah that's what I meant by "failing that".
I prefer leaving it unchanged. If that isn't possible then my next preferred option is to suck up the downtime.
4:21 PM
Ah, that makes sense, sorry.
Also good point about the url's in SEDE, I didn't think of those yet.
@NormalHuman Time to fake a stand?
Time to rake some sand
Time to make a band
Jason, you're the cute girl in the middle
4:26 PM
Yep, that's Jason
Are you hitting on me?
I'm not 5
4:44 PM
Hey I won't judge
5:04 PM
Replying to @M.A.R
Just trying out this new Twitter reply format...
So much replying.
Ah well, I have already polluted my time with SE, and there's the knowing stuff aspect to it
I find no reason to pollute my time further with Twitter and Bookface
5:16 PM
Still, Twitter is where some SE related stuff is leaked mentioned.
I've never quite been able to wrap my head around twitter.
I always feel like the various buttons and stuff on twitter.com do unexpected things. And sometimes I make tweets and don't really understand where they go.
I created a twitter account years ago for one very specific purpose: To notify a twitter user that my search for "Gourdy LaForge" star trek / pumpkin puns disappointingly found exactly one result: His tweet about his own search turning up exactly zero results. It was a great success.
@JasonC Ever been in an argument via text message, and think to yourself: "this is great! Completely unproductive, totally destroying a once-fast friendship... If only random Internet people could see me making an ass of myself, this would be perfect."
I used to, until I started streaming all my text message battles on twitch.
Can anyone give me a link where to find my "favorite"d job lists on stackoverflow?
Twitter is good for bots, though. They usually don't get into arguments.
5:25 PM
It should add anti-CAPTCHA at sign up, to stop human users.
I just now noticed that Careers completely rebranded who knows how many years ago. How about that.
5:41 PM
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6:31 PM
@AndrewT. Sure, why not
@Shog9 Happens every time.
@AndrewT. only this one is still visible
the other one is deleted
@Bart @sha see 7 message up, some delete votes needed
Whats the actual rule for when I can vote to delete a question? Sometimes the choice doesn't show up. Assuming 10k privs but not 20k.
I feel like it has something to do with on hold vs closed
@JasonC 20K can delete vote immediately when closed, 10K after 48 hours
Ah, simple. Thanks!
@rene 10k can immediately but it should have a minus something score I think
7:17 PM
Nooo! Complexity! Stay away!
@TimStone I have a question. Let's say I wanted to make a site with open, SEDE style access to the database. Is that (sandboxing and such) something that you guys manage with SQL Server directly? Or do you have some software that runs in the middle and filters queries and stuff? Beyond whatever software you've got to bridge to web requests. I mean parsing and processing the queries as an extra middle step.
@M.A.R. that is on answers? only < 0 can be delete voted by 20Kers. But, yeah, rules somewhere in the FAQ
Also it seems like, you dump everything to a separate db instead of giving access to the real thing, and that's a big layer of defense too?
@rene I think the 48 hours in on answers
7:21 PM
@JasonC yes, also they are read-only for the SEDE Query connection
So weekly; dump sanitized data to publicly accessible sede database, give read-only access, build some basic bridging stuff on top (http requests -> query -> results -> response) and voila?
With appropriate resource limits and stuff per connection configured on sql server
the sql goes directly into a SqlCommand, only parameter parsing is special, nothing else
At some point I want to change all my chat transcript scraping stuff into a proper web app and give folks access to do queries on their own
@JasonC yeah, commandtimeout = 90 seconds (or 120?) and the final result is always select top 50000
7:24 PM
lazy b&&^%$
@rene only when score is -3 or less
@M.A.R. nope, only after few days
ah, so @M.A.R. is right.
@rene nope, 10k can't vote to delete so fast. I think.
@rene whoa... 10 hours! That what happens when @Oded is not around. :P
> Users with at least 10k rep (2k on public beta sites) but less than 20k rep (4k on public beta sites) must wait until a question has been closed for two days before voting to delete
> Users with at least 20k rep (4k on public beta sites) may vote to delete closed questions with a vote total of −3 or below at any time, and may vote to delete negatively scored answers
Yup, that's what I remembered. self pat
7:28 PM
Users with 20k still have to wait two days after closure if score is > -3?
@JasonC yup
Think it's fair
So @Jason has the Den Scraping script finished?
Yeah but I don't have time for any analysis right now
what did you want me to pull; busiest day?
eager to know if Den beats Tavern
I think i can do that quickly
@JasonC yay!
7:29 PM
A: How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?

jjnguyHow can a post be deleted? By a user: You can typically delete your own posts at will; for exceptions, see When can’t I delete my own post? below. To delete a post, just use the delete link below it. Moderators can delete any post instantly. Users with reputation ≥ 2k (more precisely, the edit...

This is perhaps a bit more detailed.
@Shog9 not really, just different wording. And links to sources.
@ShadowWizard docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/… see Den tabs at bottom
Jan 21 2015 busiest day by far
Why does the "rejoin favorite rooms" button sometimes randomly not display?
@JasonC Pretty much, yes
Den lose :(
@JasonC thanks!
chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/721/2015/1/21/0-24 - lol, busiest day, courtesy of Frank and the bot.
@TimStone + @rene Thanks
7:38 PM
@JasonC yeah, it was legendary... he still leads the WPD table of course. ;)
I get 500 Panda when clicking activity in Robert Cartaino's profile. What is he hiding?
No panda for me
oh, activity... sec
yup, Panda has fallen.
I blame the aliens
Is Area51 activity showing there too?
Yes, but it's not like he recently started being active there.
Possible that they changed something that broke it.
7:43 PM
My point is, he was active before, and the activity page worked. It's one of the pages scraped by my stalking script.
@NormalHuman oh, and bot now crashed?
Catija's network profile shows activity on Area 51, albeit slowly. stackexchange.com/users/3979517/catija?tab=activity
Maybe the switch to HTTPS broke something?
Is "I really get a kick out of spreadsheets" a good enough qualification for a data analyst job?
HTTPS, it's always HTTPS.
@JasonC sure
7:46 PM
@JasonC I think these days one is expected to get a kick out of R.
@JasonC not randomly. It appears only if you're in no other rooms. So if you're in more than one room, it won't show.
There's a subtle bug in here somewhere for sure then
I think it thought I was in another room but didn't show that I was
Nope. You just see bugs everywhere. :D
Although that depends on how sophisticated the analysis is expected to be.
I have suggestive evidence. Will have to test thoroughly.
@NormalHuman "If you look closely at this area of the graph, it kind of looks like a butt." /sophisticated
7:51 PM
> Given the spotlight on Russian hackers and Uber's problems I asked @spolsky to weigh in on impact to developers @cheddar Thurs. #cheddarlive pic.twitter.com/qJORdamvAk -- Hope King at 11:23 AM - 24 Mar 2017
Seems there's no URL for that interview bit, it's just an embedded Twitter media file.
@Stijn no, I don't think that would be feasible.
8:15 PM
And yeah, polls aren't a good fit for MSE.
8:55 PM
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9:59 PM
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11:09 PM
for all your premium meat products need!
11:20 PM
Hey @Shog9, the answer referenced in this post: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/346202/616460 is that the kind of stuff VLQ was meant for?
@Telkitty Damn, there's no .meat tld... yet.
@Telkitty Kittys heaven :-D
11:37 PM
@JasonC cue bidding war for "madeof.meat"
11:48 PM
The team page added a new developer named Jeremy Banks.
Also notable: 3rd person on the Enterprise Team, apparently it sells.
More notable: a new product manager, Joe Friend.
Joe Friend ♦, Seattle, WA, United States
@JasonC so... you can't use VLQ flags on anything scoring > 0
which raises the question, why did that answer score > 0?
Equally notable: other new PMs. Steve Kelly (IntDev team), Yi Shan, and Vasudha Swaminathan (can't find the profile).
11:56 PM
So, four new PMs advertised at once; unclear which one is for the Q&A.
Friend is the only one with a diamond, so maybe it's him.
Also notable: the number of people listed on /team page went from 283 to 301, exceeding 300 for the first time.

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