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12:30 AM

balpha moved from PM to Design team, is now a "Design Developer". stackoverflow.com/company/team#Design

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2:12 AM

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user202362

user202362

tell me, raccoons aren't normally this chubby

user202362

rene

7:06 AM

@JourneymanGeek I've voted to re-open your network-wide visibility for changes question. My comment stands, however.

Journeyman Geek

Thanks

@rene I think whether SO should be the overarchingly important product or not is above my (unpaid) grade ;p

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 @Jon hey can any of you please use your CM magic to make this answer on Recent Feature Changes accepted, bumping it to the top? Thanks!

(guess direct access to the database?)

@rene hmm? Drama?

@zaq huh.... downgrade? And what exactly is a design developer? Pure CSS programmer?

@Telkitty raccoons aren't normally this chubby

user202362

I thought so, best way to trap a raccoon really - feed them until they are too fat to crawl

rene

@ShadowWizard where? what? How have I screwed up this time?

Journeyman Geek

7:25 AM

I do think though (with a greatly obvious bias, since I mostly hang out with the SU/SF and other site folk) that we matter too.

rene

I don't think I say you don't matter?

It is more of an factual observation?

Journeyman Geek

@rene oh, I asked the question because I feel we do, and there's almost no official requests for input on main meta ;p

rene

There is merit in your question.

Shadow Wizard

7:47 AM

@rene dunno, when you reopen things I get suspicious.... ;)

MSE NAA @Bart @rene

rene

8:12 AM

done some voting

@ShadowWizard just admit you're here solely for the drama ...

Shadow Wizard

@rene me? innocent look

rene

noted ...

Let the rep come in. I answered a question tagged c#, javascript AND jQuery. If that doesn't give me an gold badge I don't know ...

Shadow Wizard

@rene only if the answer is one line

rene

:(

It ... can't be done ...

Shadow Wizard

so no vote for you! ;)

handing over an "n" to @rene

rene

8:31 AM

thx

Shadow Wizard

o problem

hey @Stij

Stijn

morning

Shadow Wizard

moring!

Stijn

9:28 AM

I'm using a beautiful coffee cup today

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn nice! Where is it from?

Stijn

No idea, found it in the closet here :p

Shadow Wizard

I have the SO mug, but it's too big for coffee.... :/

Stijn

I'd like one of those

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn at work? So probably it belongs to one of your co-workers... ;)

Stijn

9:30 AM

Somebody probably left it here years ago. We have a cupboard full of mugs

Shadow Wizard

Wait... why the cup is empty? @Stijn

Stijn

free-for-all

@ShadowWizard half-empty, at the time :)

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn oh, can't really see. lol

Bart

@ShadowWizard no mug is too big for coffee. If it's a problem, send it to me

Never got any swag anyway

Shadow Wizard

@Bart really?! that's... undepictable!

so, who to send the mug to? @Bart or @Stijn? hmm..... :P

@Moosebot randomchoice Bart Stijn

user280395

9:33 AM

@ShadowWizard Command not recognized.

Shadow Wizard

pffft

Stijn

you could do the wheel of blame

whoever gets blamed gets the mug?

:p

Shadow Wizard

Bart or Stijn?

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Bookmarked 6 secs ago by Shadow Wizard

Stijn

aww :(

Shadow Wizard

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

9:34 AM

@ShadowWizard It's Shadow Wizard's fault.

Shadow Wizard

huh!

~~Also @Stijn using Smokey won't be fair, @Bart didn't talk for a while, he's probably off the list~~ oh, oops, blonde moment

Bart

Yay!!

Ooh, I see I've voted to close a question that's being discussed on MSO :D Oops

Stijn

@Bart are they referring to you as a power-hungry moderator?

those are the best

Shadow Wizard

those are the Bart-est

Bart

@Stijn not yet. Question has 2 close votes so far after having been reopened

Shadow Wizard

9:39 AM

@Bart yeah, there should be an indication when a question is discussed on meta. ;)

@Bart close wars on ordinary questions on SO itself are rare...

Bart

The MSO question is at -18, so I hadn't noticed it until now. And I think this is still too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/42229016/…

Shadow Wizard

@Bart why too broad? The answer is trivial: Application.DoEvents

that's what the OP is looking for.

Bart

Oh ... hmm ... I may have read more into the visualization and delay than there's to it

If that's what he's looking for, you ad an answer, I retract the vote?

So he doesn't really want to delay anything, but just print intermediate state?

Shadow Wizard

> When I try to update the height of the objects in the code below, it only shows the final result

So yeah, think he just want it to show in each iteration of the loop.

Bart

Okay, retracted. Let's see

Shadow Wizard

9:47 AM

Post a trivial answer? hmm...

Bart

And a sleep followed by a DoEvents ... something about that makes me shudder. But it will do

Shadow Wizard

Trivial answer posted. Feeling bit dirty. ;)

Oh hey @balpha congrats for your new role! :)

Plot twist: @Derpy is balpha's sock (this might explain lots of things.... ;))

Bart

Another new role? Weren't you a PM?

Shadow Wizard

9 hours ago, by zaq

balpha moved from PM to Design team, is now a "Design Developer". https://stackoverflow.com/company/team#Design

balpha

hah, did the change finally make it to the team page?

Thanks :)

Bart

9:55 AM

#fakenews

Shadow Wizard

@balpha why, when did it really happen? :)

balpha

january

Shadow Wizard

oh, lol... so for how long were you a PM?

balpha

officially since June I think, but I actually started the PM gig end of February

so it was close to a year

Shadow Wizard

@balpha oh, nice... so why the change? If I may ask...

Also, design team means you're responsible for the new SO top bar? ;)

Derpy

9:58 AM

@ShadowWizard Back in the UO age, I was pretty active as a paladin / virtue knight. Since the order VS chaos faction system was still centered around the virtue problem, that meant that I was often found discussing with with chaos player, especially one chaos player that was basically "the devil advocate of virtue un-ethics"

balpha

@ShadowWizard the design dev role is much closer to where I see myself growing, so when that opportunity came up, I jumped the PM ship :)

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy no idea what it means... processing

balpha

@ShadowWizard well, I started PM'ing it, and once I had left that role, Des took over. I did work on it as a dev as well, but not the only one

Derpy

For some reason I never understood, for a long time many players believe we were actually the same player playing two opposing roles. At the same time.

Shadow Wizard

@balpha I see. but isn't it a downgrade?

@Derpy oh. I see now. lol

balpha

10:00 AM

@ShadowWizard I don't think so, it's two different career tracks really. But even if it were, that wouldn't be a good reason against following your passion

Shadow Wizard

@balpha cool. So now you're back to writing code?

balpha

Yep.

Shadow Wizard

@balpha of course, doing something you like has greater weight than money or title. :)

user202362

@balpha you like to ... designing small unicorns?

user202362

I know right, it's very tempting

Shadow Wizard

10:01 AM

@Telkitty that's not his doing, his unicorns are bigger. :D

user202362

I think we should halt this conversation right there and then ... awkwardness if we continue - infinite

Shadow Wizard

... you're probably right ... or left? Not much time left for edit... :D

balpha

@Telkitty I'm a design developer, not a designer :) The idea behind the DD role is that of a an expert in one particular area of the "full stack designer" spectrum

designers do everything from user research to designing to prototyping to implementation

we have an expert on one end of the spectrum (Kristina, our UX researcher), and I'm the expert on the other end

Shadow Wizard

@balpha isn't it what you essentially did already with winterbash and April's fools projects you wrote from scratch?

balpha

but now it's my job title ;)

Shadow Wizard

10:05 AM

oh, lol

Derpy

@ShadowWizard @balpha has much more important priorities right now....

Jan 13 '15 at 15:05, by SPArchaeologist

still believe balpha should remake that service with pony flash puppets.

Mar 10 '15 at 16:14, by SPArchaeologist

@balpha Just saying. Isn't the time mature to redo that unicornify service using actual mlp flash puppet models?

Jul 21 '15 at 13:08, by SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard @balpha doesn't have time for this. He must work on important stuff, like my request for an alternate unicornify service that uses MLP:FiM flash puppets. ^_^

Shadow Wizard

lol someone here is eager

Derpy

Still waiting for MLPfy

Shadow Wizard

@balpha so the upcoming April's fools of 2017 will be yours? :)

balpha

no idea yet

Derpy

10:09 AM

Again, wrong priorities there.

Shadow Wizard

oh no, not much time left... month and half.

that's just 6 weeks

Derpy

The correct question was "so the upcoming April's fools of 2017 will feature candy colored ponies?"

Shadow Wizard

Will the April's fools of 2017 be that there's no April's fools running?

user202362

April ~~food~~ fools day theme: small unicorn support Joel's stand on 50 shades of grey sticky head bar :p

Derpy

go for Eternal Darkness style sanity effects. Fake notification sound for no-existing messages, fake questions that disappear as you click them, randomly upside down flipped avatars, wrong css, whole page rotation/tilt (just 1-2° so that it won't be noticed immediately), enable the "@Telkitty lag script" for all users and so on....

user202362

10:16 AM

Oo, don't forget to thank the Trolls for their good year of work

user202362

How much one needs to endeavour to re-brand April fool's day as valentine's day for trolls?

user202362

Don't know about other 1337 trolls, coz 1337 trolls are all individualistic, but personally I accept free reps

Shadow Wizard

10:36 AM

@Telkitty here you go

Stijn

^ the hacker known as Telkitty

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn I always suspected her to be hacker :P

@nicael is a script kiddie compared to her!

Shadow Wizard

10:57 AM

@Oded are you still on bug watch? Something that might be small, but annoys users with lots of accounts, is this bug,any chance to have a look? Thanks! :)

54D

11:13 AM

No one wants the fat bounty (tfw) meta.stackexchange.com/questions/260484/…

Shadow Wizard

@54D still 5 days, I've pinged Brian in chat... really nothing more we can do.

54D

I understand... what happens if no one claims the bounty?

Shadow Wizard

@54D nothing. The bounty will vanish.

54D

Oh.

Why won't it be given back to the person who issued the bounty?

Shadow Wizard

@54D hehe, one of the most common questions on MSE

19

Q: Why aren't bounties refunded if they are not awarded?

Possible Duplicates: Bounties and non-valid answers? How does the bounty system work? I have a question with a bounty that will expire in a few days. It looks like nobody will get the bounty; only one answer was posted during the bounty period, and it has no upvotes. In cases like t...

tons of dupes all around, but that one appears to be good.

54D

11:18 AM

Ty ^^

Derpy

this also seems like a good day to ask the usual question. A bounty on a bug report - what kind of answer do you expect? only the dev can provide a solution.

Shadow Wizard

24

Q: Missing font on some error and dupehammer info popups

Some popups like the dupehammer explanation popup or the validation error ones on the contact form do not have the right fonts - the browser has to fall back to a default and quite ugly font instead. Interestingly, this does not happen for validation popups on posting a question - those remain f...

bug status-completed design error-message dupehammer

it worked just fine for me.

It's about 1:100, but still better than nothing.

I offered 228 bounties on MSE, think that 5-10 brought an actual response from the team.

Derpy

What I meant is that a bounty on a bug report has the purpose to increase visibility, not to reward someone with rep. Even if the rep was lost because the bounty wasn't awarded, the purpose has still been fulfilled in a way.

Also

> "No one wants the fat bounty"

even if I wanted it, it not like us poor normal user can provide an answer :P

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy many times users can provide useful information that will make it easier to fix the bug. I got a T-shirt for exactly such a thing. :)

(which is better than bounty ;))

Or, many times users can write scripts to bypass the bug, which is also reason enough to give a prize.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard On the IOS app?

Shadow Wizard

11:28 AM

@Derpy oh. No, not really. but the other reason is still valid. :)

Derpy

yep, well worth the prize if they manage to user-script that :P

user202362

12:09 PM

@ShadowWizard you should suspect me to be hacked

user202362

you know, all those negative things about 1337 trolls are fake news

user202362

we 1337 trolls strive to entertain the mass while educate them

user202362

I mean, there are always rotten apples in every barrel

user202362

mediocre trolls have tainted our reputation

M.A.R.

12:26 PM

-9

Q: Hasty deletion of accumulated work otherwise considered productive by earnest contributors

What recourse do we have if a deletion of what some considered valuable occurs? Consider the following sequence. A newbie humbly asks a question about embedded C++ persistence in a Linux appliance (which is understandably somewhat broad because he is a newbie and engaged in the architecture st...

discussion closed-questions on-hold

LOL, who VTC'd this as no-repro?

Shadow Wizard

12:37 PM

@M.A.R. not me

Pandya

12:53 PM

8

Q: Community Building doesn't exist in Data Explorer

"Community Building" doesn't exist in the data explorer. Instead it is still listed as "Moderators" Other (seemingly) related issues: Meta posts don't load from mobile apps Meta post oneboxes look different and are missing elements Post/comments don't onebox in chat

bug

Derpy

1:06 PM

looking at old R&D sample/test....

I found my old experiment at adding a file to a not-really-existing SharePoint folder.

Stijn

working with streams in .NET is so infuriating at times... Oh you want to leave the stream open after reading it? Sure thing, but then you also have to specify another thousand options that would otherwise have a default value.

Shadow Wizard

@Pandya better be posted on MSE, which is the meta for SEDE.

oh, oops. Already reported:

20

Q: SEDE should pick up on changes to community metadata

It appears that site meta data isn't updated in SEDE. As an example, Moderators.SE was renamed to Community Building in December 2014. It is still listed in SEDE as Moderators.SE, as of July 2015. To search for Community Building data, we need to search the "Moderators" community: It is not l...

bug data-explorer

54D

Can we have blinking marquee as a feature-request

1

Q: Greyed out flag options

Not sure if status-bydesign or not: When reviewing an already-raised flag (in this case, Rude/Abusive), I found the option I had selected greyed out (as expected), but also the spam option greyed out as well. Is that supposed to be the case?

bug flags user-interface

Because it looks kewl

Shadow Wizard

lewl

@Stijn not just streams, many methods got irritating overloads :/

that's one thing where JS is better than C#

Derpy

1:31 PM

@ShadowWizard js = javascript?

alexolut

@ShadowWizard hello. I would like to remove header (This question may already have an answer here) from question about rep values. Does closing by me and reopening by you lead to removing it? :)

Oops ... I don't have a close as dup button already :( Forgot about it

Shadow Wizard

1:49 PM

@Derpy not only (assuming you mean client side javascript), e.g. node.js

Derpy

anyway, you just claimed that js is better because you can just forget parameters, right?

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy yup, true.

Derpy

sorry to have to ask, but I needed the info for the the "transfer user to Stack Exchange 's salt mines" work order.

Shadow Wizard

yes, it can lead to weird bugs, but...

@alexolut you have, the "Yes, it solve my problem" will insta-close the question, then I can reopen.

alexolut

@ShadowWizard I did edit and revert it ... so now I see no button:

Shadow Wizard

1:54 PM

@alexolut oh, weird. Well, it's just a banner, no harm, and the close vote will expire in few days.

(I can in theory close and re-open all by myself but that doesn't feel right, just for sake of removing a banner, sorry. If it will somehow be closed let me know though and I'll reopen. :))

alexolut

@ShadowWizard ok ... will wait for it ;)

@ShadowWizard someone already revert one close vote

Shadow Wizard

@alexolut yup, hopefully @gnat though I doubt it.

(as we didn't really agree with each other in the comments.)

Shadow Wizard

2:19 PM

@balpha fatal bug on mobile web, any chance you can nudge someone in the mobile team to fix it? (it renders the mobile web view almost useless)

(guess all the developers are busy with the new SO top bar, hence no response yet?)

balpha

that may in fact be my fault

will look in a few

Shadow Wizard

@balpha oh, lol... OK, good luck with that!

balpha

confirmed, my fault

Shadow Wizard

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Pandya's fault.

rene

2:25 PM

We put it on the agenda for your next salary review ...

Shadow Wizard

Oh well, Smokey is usually wrong.

@balpha heh, just curious, what happened? (i.e. what did you try to do?)

rene

coding

balpha

well, this is what happened, really:

I have a new inspirational wall decoration https://t.co/yE9PBU9qfE

Tweeted by balpha on February 15, 2017 at 1:54 PM in reply to balpha

Shadow Wizard

hmm... that pic is familiar...

Magisch

SO

I hear you're in berlin balpha

btw @ShadowWizard

balpha

2:32 PM

@ShadowWizard fix pushed, will deploy as soon as dev is done baking

@Magisch yep

Magisch

Notice how almost no SD report makes it through to here today

what's your product in the pile

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch yup, Charcoal is thriving?

Magisch

@ShadowWizard We're now at 3 autoflags

So time to deletion has been cut short drasticly

Shadow Wizard

@balpha thanks! Will you post an answer on the bug report?

balpha

yep, writing it right now

Shadow Wizard

2:34 PM

:)

rene

delv-pls 20K+ super user meta.stackexchange.com/questions/291060

needs one more vote ^

Shadow Wizard

hours ago....

We need @Bart :D

Magisch

@ShadowWizard You may not see many reports here at all anymore during daytime in europe or the US

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch well, @hichris123 and @Jason will be happy, less cleanup for them. :-)

rene

I never understand these bug reports. Based on their report they know how to write code. How do you debug issues in your own dev environment then?

Magisch

2:47 PM

Jason Punyon?

@rene They dont

These are the kind of developers who ask colleagues every time an error appears

rene

Uggghhh

Shadow Wizard

you OK, @rene? Need water?

Bart

@rene it's the same with the whole "uch ugly floaty/sticky top bar feedback". Surely most of them are developers who have to deal with useless, non-specific "feedback" all the time. Why on earth don't they do better themselves?

Stijn

@Magisch you mean they ask SO

Magisch

@Stijn They always ask their colleagues first. The tosh that we get on SO happens when their colleagues tell them to shove it

Shadow Wizard

2:55 PM

@Magisch tosh?

Magisch

@Bart As much as they're developers, they're also humans. And unsubstantiated venting is more catharthic and easier then constructive criticism.

rene

what @Magisch says

Magisch

@ShadowWizard s\crap\shit\garbage

Bart

@rene and be rightfully ignored in the process

rene

sure, for good reason

Bart

2:58 PM

Join me for today's game of "Spam or nonsense?"

-5

Q: I don't get the point of this place

I'm asking a Q. ~25 of responses are how bad what I offer. In 99% no one even cares about what I ask. 99.99% of Qs I see, are either auto voted or people who also where threw away by automated robots. No one reads what you write guys. Why now one cares? I don't to talk to a robot, if I would I ...

discussion

rene

@Bart 320 rep on SO, not spam

Bart

... I needed to look at his profile to come to that conclusion

That's not a good sign

rene

@Bart after venting they felt much better

Shadow Wizard

@Bart rage quit in 3... 2... 1...

rene

het is een sof

Maybe Soldier of Fortune?

Shadow Wizard

3:09 PM

it is a sof? @rene

rene

yeah, a deception I think is a good translation from Dutch

Bart

Yup

But apparently he meant Stack Overflow ... thanks to Servy

rene

nah, that is boring let's ignore Servy

M.A.R.

Short On Facts makes much more sense

Shadow Wizard

heh, lol

Bart

3:16 PM

I've settled for Shit on Fan

Shadow Wizard

@Bart you tried that?

This can be an entertaining experience. :D

Bart

Not me. It's just how I imagine he wrote that post. Dump on a fan and turn it on.

Shadow Wizard

@Bart nah, not enough brown.

More like typing with eyes closed due to extreme rage.

Bart

> It says in Psychology, if the guys that are sitting next to me did smoke sos thing, maybe I shall hear their voices

I'd say he did smoke something

Jason C

@Magisch Lol. Brb I have to go put some product in the pile.

Bart

3:30 PM

Ah, and now we're at September 11th somehow ... I'm out

Jason C

@Bart Lol

Now I want to go write a markov chain rant generator.

I wish I had enough rep to view deleted posts on mse

Bart

Just get some mechanical wheel to roll over your keyboard

Jason C

It would be fun to write a text generator using all the lowest voted posts as input

Bart

Shadow Wizard

@Bart OP deleted?

Bart

3:36 PM

No, Animuson and I

rene

the mob and you also down voted it!

Bart

Catatonia - I am the Mob

►

Shadow Wizard

hehe

So maybe it's more than rage in his case. Oh well.

Jason C

Give him a break, he was just taking a stand.

rene

in that case it was wrongly tagged

Jason C

3:42 PM

My favorite line is definitely "I don't want to frighten anyone, etc."

Shadow Wizard

@rene announcement tag isn't ready yet. Or is it?

rene

Yep, and we keep that for the next 6 to 8 years. In the meantime announcement type of posts are not allowed.

Shadow Wizard

lol WTF?!

same person as the one posting this crap?

rene

could be

Shadow Wizard

but... why? Can't see any possible reason. Just trolling?

rene

3:46 PM

I'm not that good at mind reading ...

Shadow Wizard

@rene -1 not enough efforts

rene

I'm a bit annoyed by these new users that report bugs that have existed for so long that I no longer notice them ...

Derpy

> <a onmouseover="this.firstChild.firstChild.firstChild.style.left='-125px'; this.firstChild.firstChild.firstChild.style.top='-178px';" onmouseout="this.firstChild.firstChild.firstChild.style.left='-143px'; this.firstChild.firstChild.firstChild.style.top='-178px';" id="ctl00_fullscreenmodeBtn" title="Focus on Content" onclick="SetFullScreenMode(true);PreventDefaultNavigation();return false;" href="../_catalogs/masterpage/#" style="display:inline-block;height:30px;width:30px;">

actual piece of code in default, out of the box, SharePoint page...

Bart

@rene downvote them

Derpy

please notice the wonderful "this.firstChild.firstChild.firstChild.style.left"

Bart

4:02 PM

Maybe it's not hierarchical, but just a way to really really really make sure you get the first child?

Derpy

Once for fun I had a fluid api that defined method that did nothing at all just so that the code looked more English-like

Feeds

How Do Students Use Stack Overflow?

David Robinson on February 15, 2017

Since Stack Overflow was founded, we've described it as "a question and answer site for professional and enthusiast programmers." It supports both experienced developers who code as part of their work, and people who are learning as part of a university curriculum.

Derpy

resulting in some stuff like.

> withMySiteCollection.IfListExist(......).ThenDo(......).Else(.....).InEachCase()‌.AtTheEndDo()

Bart

Still better than the programming language I wrote in Uni which pretty much was in my dialect

Derpy

but that was a joke, not production code on a market-leader product

rene

4:07 PM

@Bart already did ...

Jason C

4:43 PM

Is there a good tool to make mockups of site designs for design proposals?

What's that called? Wireframes?

Ideally a free one. I see Balsamiq in Google results and I recognize the name from somewhere. It's not free though.

Bonus points if it helps me illustrate site flow and not just how each page might look.

Heh

Cursory research suggests good old pen and paper.

Jon Ericson

@JasonC We use that sometimes, but our designers seem to prefer invisionapp.com .

Jason C

@JonEricson Oooh, they've instantly gained cred by offering me a free t-shirt!

Oh wow this looks awesome. Maybe overkill for this project but holy crap productivity.

I might try to push invision for a totally different project that I wasn't even thinking about for this. Posting mockup images on asana for that project isn't really cutting it.

Thanks!

Holy crap what have you guys done to me, I just willingly turned the sticky nav bar back on.

Nooooooooo, don't look at me, I'm a monster.

M.A.R.

5:06 PM

HEY EVERYONE, LOOK AT JASON RIGHT HERE. HE'S TURNED INTO A STICKY MONSTER

Jason C

IT'S BROWN AND STICKY

OH GOD... IT'S EVERYWHERE... IT'S IN MY HAIR

rene

@JasonC I have used wireframe sketcher to produce this. It is a local install and if you hate Eclipse you might not like it ... it seems to have a pageflow design page but I didn't use it ... free for 30 days or so ...

Jason C

@rene Oh cool I'll give that a shot.

I'm in the seemingly strange group of people that actually really likes Eclipse.

Bart

You like Eclipse and turned the sticky navbar back on ...

BURN THE WITCH!

Magisch

5:44 PM

@rene did you really close as duplicate and downvote a bug report by se staff

Do you even know with how much fire you're playing?

rene

@Magisch yes. If this sites thinks it gets much better if staff post bug reports they friggin' need to fix themselves then I have no mercy. Specially if a duplicate exists from 6 to 8 weeks ago ...

Jason C

You know

rene

@Magisch yes, but I use my flamethrower instead ...

Jason C

With the bar not sticky I feel like something's missing. But with it sticky it gets in the way. I kinda wish that just the rep/inbox could be made sticky.

Actually I want to see if I can make a user script to make the nav bar collapsible. If so maybe I'll propose it as a feature request.

bluefeet

@rene do you realize that not all devs work on the nav/top bar, etc?

and that we can post bugs just like everyone else?

rene

5:49 PM

@JasonC vNext will tap into your mind to decide when to be sticky and when not.

Jason C

@bluefeet Lies. We know you're all part of the same SE dev hive mind.

Magisch

I see blue feet

bluefeet

@JasonC that would be interesting

Magisch

blue footed boobie to be exact

Bart

@JasonC "We are SE. Resistance is futile. Prepare to be assimilated"

Jason C

5:51 PM

"Userscript is futile. Prepare to be sticky."

rene

@bluefeet yes, I do. Still, search first should be a general guidance I think? And I'm not that serious, so please let everyone do as they see fit.

Hmm, reading that back I realize that sounds pretty offensive, that is not my intent at all.

I'm just trying to be flowery, that is all

Magisch

@rene soft flower, sticky flower, little globule of sap...

Jon Ericson

I've posted bug reports that duplicate bugs I'd already reported.

rene

@JonEricson Oh, I dunno ... I guess that doubles the 6 to 8 weeks to get bugs fixed?

Jon Ericson

Well, I've reported a bug in a Chrome userscript as an SO bug twice. That's never gonna get fixed.

Especially since I've uninstalled the script.

Jason C

5:59 PM

They don't make shog's size.

Magisch

@JonEricson I was about to report a bug with the new nav when I noticed it wasn't the new nav, it was a userscript I use that wasn't compatible with the new nav.

Jason C

Btw a borg mask should totally be a hat next year

Maybe for upvoting a certain number of meta posts made by the staff and tagged status-complete.

rene

6:27 PM

@JasonC tagged announcement ...

Jason C

Lol

Or just if you filled in "US" as your location...

rene

:D

Jason C

@ShadowWizard I can't talk smack on my latest PM for a while. He took a hard fall last night and busted up his face pretty good. Now he's in the hospital, surgery this week. So... project problems are kinda small time for now. Poor guy.

Magisch

A kingdom for a PM

We dont have one and I have to do a theorethical PM's job too while writing some ERP software currently

Like coordinating meetings and getting ahold of people

Jason C

Yeah that was my thing for one of my bigger clients. Up until recently, 10 years PM-less, with me doing like six people's jobs. Development (like 3 separate people's worth), in-house IT, PM, project IT, freakin' nightmare. It's why I [tried] to stop doing freelance work.

JAL

7:04 PM

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 18 mins ago, by JAL

This is really important: The keyboard waffle iron is on sale on Woot today for $45.99 here

for those who can't get enough wafflez

Jason C

Those are huge waffles.

rene

7:54 PM

what is this‌, except an off-topic question?

Bart or Stijn?

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