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Fosco

6:16 PM

@drachenstern found quite a few, but no starbow

drachenstern

Yeah me either

I can get it from Amazon, which looks like my only reasonable option

George Marian

> There's only two things that you can do on a computer that can make you go blind, and one of them is trying to edit a Word document on your desktop via a screen the size of a pack of cigarettes.

LOL Gee, I wonder what they're alluding to...?

drachenstern

I would think using something like RDP over WinPhone7 or WinMo6 or something and using a full blown desktop on the other end.

Or do you mean the other thing :p

George Marian

heh

drachenstern

I'm pretty sure it involves a nuclear process.

or as my Fellow southerners like to say "nucular"

George Marian

6:21 PM

@drachenstern Que Homer. :)

er, Cue even..

drachenstern

Que Homer works too ;)

I should go eat food

I shall return.

George Marian

heh Agreed, on both points.

ircmaxell

6:35 PM

Yay!

Jacob

@ircmaxell It appears I was correct

George Marian

@ircmaxell nice

ircmaxell

@Jacob Yup. De-iced it, and back to normal...

Jacob

@ircmaxell Cool, I like being right :)

ircmaxell

++

I wish I would have mentioned it last night before coming in

then I might have been able to fix it

(the largest spike, the one that only lasted 20 minutes in that graph was during the deicing)...

Then I left the fan run for a few hours before turning on the compressor (which is when the temp fell off)

George Marian

6:39 PM

@Jacob I missed the suggestion. Summary, please?

Jacob

@ircmaxell All it takes... What was your ext temp when you thing it was froze?

ircmaxell

@Jacob Well, it's an in-doors unit

it has a water intake and a water out, and a drain. But there are no out-doors elements...

Jacob

@GeorgeMarian Last night He didn't know why the A/C wasn't cooling, shown by his UPS temp graph. I suggested it was froze and (to run the fan with the compressor - I think I remembered to mention that part last night...)

@ircmaxell hmm, Thats the biggest issue around here, but they do freeze up sometimes for "no reason"...

George Marian

@Jacob Ah yes, that makes sense. Thanks.

ircmaxell

I Well, I know that if it gets low on Freon, it can freeze

I'm just going to chalk it up to having the compressor on high and the fan on low (the temp setting was turned down all the way)

I turned both down all the way back in november, but only turned the compressor back up a month ago. I didn't touch the fan (left it in low)

so we'll see how it goes for a while, and if it's an issue, I'll call the HVAC guy in to look at it

Jacob

6:45 PM

@ircmaxell hmm that could be it, getting the freon checked is a good idea also.

ircmaxell

Yeah, but we're moving the office in a month or two

I'd rather do it then, when the servers are moved (there's no room to get to the AC unit now, not to work on it at least)

Anyone know of any ERD tools that actually work and can reverse-engineer from either SQL or a db?

Moshe

sigh

@GeorgeMarian - Have you any more feedback on Nippon?

balpha

7:02 PM

Good news everyone! Your daily dose of crappy irrelevant ads just got faster!

ircmaxell

lol

Jacob

7:16 PM

@Moshe I'll rewrite that email

TJB

7:28 PM

anyone know what's up with the SO design tweak?

Myles Gray

I was wondering that myself

looks nice i think :)

Rebecca Chernoff

@jjnguy yes. we removed the bgcolor for the unanswered and non-accepted boxes on the homepage and question listing pages.

Tweeted by jzy on March 17, 2011 at 7:21 PM in reply to jjnguy

Jin

we removed the bgcolors from the unanswered and non-accepted boxes on the homepage and the questions listing pages.

TJB

@Myles well, its more minimal, but i guess i'm getting used to the different highlighting for answered questions

Rebecca Chernoff

o:

Jin

7:30 PM

@RebeccaChernoff you beat me, by using me.

Rebecca Chernoff

Hi @Jin!

TJB

lol

why u guys so slow ; )

so is the intent to invite more people to answer questions that have only non-accepted answers?

Myles Gray

I want my bg colours back

sooo much easier to see whats answered and what wasnt

its nigh on impossible now

Jin

the heavy blocks made the page very... blocky before. also with the new change, the functionalities are still there.

balpha

Eeeek! Where did the backgroundcolor go?

Jin

7:31 PM

@MylesGray you can't tell 0 from a number? it's in red text still.

Myles Gray

but is isnt as usable now

Michael Mrozek

@MylesGray meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/…

Myles Gray

functionality>form

@MichaelMrozek Im on it 8-)

balpha

don't

you'd be creating another dupe

5

Q: Change the answered section back to a coloured block

The recent change to the number of answers section on the question list is far less visible at a glance than its replacement.

Michael Mrozek

Do it, but leave my name out of it

Yi Jiang

7:32 PM

I personally prefer not having the color - the contrast between interested tags bg and the light grey color makes my eyes hurt

balpha

15

Q: Why is StackOverflow naked?

It seems just wrong... IMO it is looking awful... Will this be like that for now on? :S

discussion stackoverflow design

Rebecca Chernoff

hands a whip to @balpha and @Jin and points at @MichaelMrozek

Michael Mrozek

Sigh. We really have turned into Facebook

Rebecca Chernoff

twas him!

TJB

Right now i feel like my cheese has been moved, but i feel its good in the long run. more minimal and it may attract more quality answers to questions...

also, my chat is scrolling every time it gets updated, is that normal?

(chrome / win7)

balpha

7:33 PM

screen shot extension?

TJB

ah yes

that buggy thing is getting removed right now

@balpha thanx!

balpha

4

Q: Chat scrolls to the top and then back every time I post a message

This only started recently. I'm using Chrome. How can I fix this problem?

support chat google-chrome

TJB

ah, much better

@balpha, thank you, i should have done a search but #lazyweb

Rebecca Chernoff

Oh @balpha, which chat extension was causing you problems the other day? I'm assuming it wasn't SEChatMod since you didn't yell at me...? (:

balpha

many people have reported that; took a while until we found out that it's always that extension

that's why badp created the question

@RebeccaChernoff you mean the thing I mentioned in that SO question?

Rebecca Chernoff

7:35 PM

yes, that thingadongdong

Jin

@balpha what's the name of the extension?

balpha

That wasn't chat, that was SO proper. And the extension wasn't really creating problems; it just appeared in the error logs because I moved lots of javascript around, and the script author obviously couldn't predict that :)

it was Nathan's FHC script, btw

Yi Jiang

The contrast for Meta is a little low though between questions with zero and non-zero number of answers

Myles Gray

@YiJiang the contrast for it ALL is low

its way less usable now

Yi Jiang

With SO proper there's at least color

balpha

7:37 PM

@Jin see badp's answer on that same question

Jin

@YiJiang agreed. i'll make it "greener"

Rebecca Chernoff

@balpha ah

balpha

I don't know why, I love the title of this question:

0

Q: There seems to be a bug

There seems to be a bug in the javascripts. If you open a stackoverflow website and leave it for a while.. in an other tab you answer questions, you gain reputation and new privileges. If you than return to the old page, which you left, your reputation will get updated when you click on your use...

bug stackoverflow firefox bug-reports

If any Germans are in here, I'm thinking "Das Bild hing schief"

Myles Gray

@Jin any chance you could bringthe red bg back on the unanswered questions and not put the yellow back on the others?

Yi Jiang

@balpha We need more posts like that - 'This may be a feature request', 'I appear to require support'

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Myles Gray

7:40 PM

it looks nicer that way and is still usable

balpha

@YiJiang lol

Jin

@MylesGray not likely. I say give it some time. if it bothers you a week from now still, there's always userscript.

Tim Stone

Ah, I see Jin is up to mischief again. :P

Myles Gray

@Jin You can honestly distinguish easily the unanswered from answered? I mean yeah, it looks really nice but its not as usable

why do accepted questions get all the attention and unanswered dont?

thats just wrong in my book

Jin

@MylesGray unanswered = "0" in red text... is it hard to tell from the others?

Jacob

7:44 PM

@balpha hehehehe

Myles Gray

@Jin well due to my screen (matt) yes

Jin

@MylesGray 0 vs non 0.

Myles Gray

@Jin we all know the human brain processes imagery faster than text

colour ~ imagery so t does make a difference

Jin

@MylesGray that's why i left 0 in red still. are you saying it looks undistinquishable from the dark green color?

Yi Jiang

@balpha I've edited that post, though I've left the excellent title alone - too bad for anyone trying to search for this next time :P

Myles Gray

7:47 PM

@Jin it is fairly hard to see the difference at a glance, I would suggest maybe some sort of 0.5 aplha transparency red bg?

balpha

@YiJiang now my tweet doesn't make sense anymore :(

"There seems to be a bug in the javascripts."

Tweeted by balpha on March 17, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Myles Gray

so its not as pronounced as before but still sticks out

Yi Jiang

@balpha Awwww...

Tim Stone

@balpha :D The important part is that it makes sense to us, anyway. ;)

balpha

@YiJiang meta.stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/324

Yi Jiang

7:48 PM

Well still, there may be a bug in the javascripts after all!

@balpha Hehehe, well I don't think that's a good edit, to be honest

Is it really a bug about updating reps?

Myles Gray

@Jin something like this:

Tim Stone

yawns Try to take a nap, and two people call me and then another person asks me to do a deployment. It's like people think the middle of the afternoon is for doing work, craziness.

Richard aka cyberkiwi

We discussing the new color scheme on SO? I puked

Michael Mrozek

@Richardakacyberkiwi Feel free to complain on meta for a few minutes before getting over it

2

Richard aka cyberkiwi

I'm over it, but it is a regression. Information just seems.. less immediate

Myles Gray

7:54 PM

@Richardakacyberkiwi +1

Richard aka cyberkiwi

Taking "blockiness" away is like running a script through comments and stripping all code and bold blocks.. very ouch

drachenstern

@Jin I likes it.

Michael Mrozek

gasps

I bet I could write a script that polls the RFC post looking for changes, and immediately posts a question with the title "Eeek! Why did you (insert the changed line from the RFC here)", body "Please change it back". The only question is what to do with all the free rep

Myles Gray

@drachenstern I like negative... doesn't mean SO should be done in it :P

Richard aka cyberkiwi

Ah.. sorry, I see now the high rep questions building again on meta for another - in your face unannounced, high visibility change. T-minus 5 days to deletion

drachenstern

7:59 PM

@balpha This needs to be an EEEEEEEK question

Yi Jiang

I'm not particularly annoyed by the new change, but I am annoyed by the fact that somehow this had higher priority than some of the things about SO's stylesheet that has bugged me for a ridiculous amount of time

Myles Gray

@YiJiang lack of nth-of-child support x-browser?

Yi Jiang

@MylesGray No, its not that actually

drachenstern

@YiJiang is that your handwriting?

Yi Jiang

I solved it in the userstyle without having to use that

@drachenstern Only with a mouse, gosh this thing is harder than it looks

drachenstern

8:03 PM

@YiJiang yeah ... I remember we having some discussion about that some time ago in here, the regulars, and I seem to recall that rchern uses her whole forearm to write on them.

Jin

@YiJiang the mainbar and question-summary are off by 5px. i can fix that

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern I think she cheats by using the trackpad on a laptop :P

drachenstern

@YiJiang she might

Myles Gray

whips out CSS-Edit and goes to town

Yi Jiang

@MylesGray Old story; I've had my userstyle for ages now

Myles Gray

8:05 PM

Oh dear jesus, in CSSEdit it is showing 3 columns?

wtf is that

Is that a userstyle i am using?

balpha

I think we can add "Eeeek" to the list now. (btw @MichaelMrozek you have an "e" too much)

Michael Mrozek

@balpha That was Myles' doing, I just improved the suggestion

Yi Jiang

@balpha Not yet, gosh. It's only one question

Richard aka cyberkiwi

It's very rare to see Darin Dimitrov on Meta, so for him to comment.. trust us, it really disrupts, ermm.. "workflow", when trying to quickly identify 0-answer questions to hit. I thought many micro changes over time including the landing page redesign was to help get answers to questions

Michael Mrozek

BLAME

drachenstern

8:08 PM

@balpha Sounds good. Who's responsible for editing meta posts again?

<.<

>.>

Yi Jiang

Okay, fine, I take that back. It is a meme now

Myles Gray

@MichaelMrozek not my fault the Eeeek question dun got deletermated

balpha

@YiJiang yeah, it's three now. Don't forget the one that fell to dictatorish censorship!

Richard aka cyberkiwi

If you cannot see it, can you count it?

Yi Jiang

@balpha When I said one question I meant that question

(All hush now, lest Jeff comes in)

drachenstern

8:15 PM

@Richardakacyberkiwi if a tree falls in the forest ...

@YiJiang I can see you didn't see my proposal for a new tag?

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A: Careers 2.0 Featured Listing: Web company needs successor for retiring unicorns

Some new tags no-really and im-serious and come-on-you-guys to go along with this proposed tag: jon-skeet-only for those times when you only need Jon Skeet to answer you. And it will tag Jon Skeet so he sees your question as a priority item when he logs in. I suppose we could go so far as to int...

systempuntoout

evening

Who is going to update the "The Many Memes of Meta" question with the Eeeek! ?

balpha

go ahead, we were just waiting for a volunteer :)

10 mins ago, by balpha

I think we can add "Eeeek" to the list now. (btw @MichaelMrozek you have an "e" too much)

Richard aka cyberkiwi

@systempuntoout Logging on as Anonymous Coward to suggest an edit...

systempuntoout

oh :)

Richard aka cyberkiwi

dang that didn't work, it's not so anonymous anymore :(

drachenstern

8:21 PM

If nobody else is doing it I will. You have about two minutes to get it posted.

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Go ahead. Maybe give us a peek at the content?

drachenstern

k

Can anyone give me the initial author on the first EEEEEk post the other day?

Yi Jiang

Sure, I have a local copy of it now

systempuntoout

marti?

Yi Jiang

Only problem is I left on the Windows partition

mount is really slow

balpha

8:23 PM

Marti

748 1 3 13

discussion badges feature-request bug css design support

Yi Jiang

dl.dropbox.com/u/1722364/Stack%20Overflow/Eeek.html

drachenstern

And a link to the now deleted question since I'm not 10k?

Yi Jiang

Got it up onto Dropbox

balpha

@drachenstern meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/82538/…

drachenstern

Thanks

So far, the post looks like this (I'm still typing)

balpha

8:26 PM

@YiJiang bug report:

Tim Stone

@YiJiang I'm kind of annoyed that the yellow on green didn't die a horrible death at the same time, but :P

drachenstern

**Meme:** Eeeek! Why did you {insert topic here}?

**Originator:** [Marti](meta.stackoverflow.com/users/153019/marti)

**First Seen:** [4 Mar. 2011 ~ Eeeek what happened to my envelope?](meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/82538/…) (sorry guys, 10k only)

**Cultural Height:** It's a meme. They never die. Remember this.

**Definition:** People have this affinity for the things that are familiar and they absolutely reject the things that are new.

Once upon a time SE2.0 supported a really crappy notification system that took forever (in computer pro…

balpha

Yi Jiang

@balpha Eeeeek... yeah...

Richard aka cyberkiwi

@YiJiang You're doing it all wrong! Eeeek, not Eeeeek

Yi Jiang

8:28 PM

@drachenstern Meh, if you're going to record history at least be objective about it - just so that the post doesn't get edited to hell

@Richardakacyberkiwi Oh, shut up

drachenstern

@YiJiang what part was unobjective? It was just colorful so far.

balpha

@drachenstern Cultural Height: Probably still to be reached, given the increase of developers working for SE.

drachenstern

@balpha I'll take it

systempuntoout

[OT] sites.google.com/site/lastcallforio2011/chrome holy ...., look at the Chrome questions for the Google I/O contest

balpha

and I agree with @YiJiang -- it's too much into one direction

drachenstern

8:29 PM

boss over shoulder, bbiab

hang on, I'm not done

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern that took forever - not from the user's point of view, of all the complaints I don't think one of it was about speed

drachenstern

sheesh

@YiJiang one of the reasons that Gravell (IIRC) gave for wanting to change it

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern It was slow on the server side, but you'd have to be really slow on a server to impact user experience

Tim Stone

Somehow the profile drop down has a tendency to crash some of my Chrome tabs, hmm..

Yi Jiang

It was horrid and lots of people hated it - which is dwarfed by the amount of hate generated when it (apparently) was taken away

@TimStone :O how does that happen?

Tim Stone

8:34 PM

I think that something goes awry because I'm not intending for the popup to display, so my quick click on the profile link interrupts something in-process resulting in catastrophic failure. There's also a pending update, I suppose I should apply that.

Yi Jiang

You're on dev version? In that case it probably is Chrome's fault

Tim Stone

Oh, it's most certainly Chrome's fault.

Yi Jiang

Nightlies have some exquisitely weird bugs for a few days on the Firefox 4 nightly I couldn't enter line breaks into wmd :P

Yeah, now that sucked

Tim Stone

Oh wow, hahah, that's rough.

Shog9

@drachenstern I hate it. Lacks tongue-in-cheek self-importance, and focuses too much on the envelope. Please post it so I can edit the hell out of it.

drachenstern

8:43 PM

13 mins ago, by drachenstern

boss over shoulder, bbiab

**Meme:** Eeeek! Why did you {insert topic here}?

**Originator:** [Marti](meta.stackoverflow.com/users/153019/marti)

**First Seen:** [4 Mar. 2011 ~ Eeeek what happened to my envelope?](meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/82538/…) (sorry guys, 10k only)

**Cultural Height:** Probably still to be reached, given the increase of developers working for SE.

**Definition:**

Bill the Lizard

Well, now I really can't wait to see everyone's reaction to whatever the devs have planned for April Fool's Day.

Shog9

Eeek! The Lizard!

balpha

yeah, @Shog9 is right. Needz moar arrogance

Yi Jiang

Its CW - not a lot point arguing over who's posting

Well, except for the inevitable nice answer badge

Tim Stone

I feel like we've dropped the bar pretty low for what qualifies as a meme :P

ChrisF

8:45 PM

Meta will melt until everyone realises what day it is

jjnguy

@BilltheLizard I'm gonna hide under a rock.

Jin

@BilltheLizard a dark theme

Shog9

@TimStone Have you seen that post?

Tim Stone

@Shog9 Point taken.

@Jin \o/

Yi Jiang

24

A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: Everything is a meme Originator: TheTXI Cultural Height: 2009-09-10 16:41:20Z Background: This meme began with TheTXI's obsession over memes in general, starting memes on SO, and claiming memes for himself. In an effort to garner wide-spread adoption of his various bad habits and nervous...

Tim Stone

8:45 PM

@ChrisF I've prepped the riot gear.

jjnguy

@Jin I hope you aren't taking any of the criticism personally.

Bill the Lizard

@Jin If you just switch red and green everyone will be screaming like little girls.

Jin

@jjnguy not at all, it shows people care :)

jjnguy

@Jin, thats good.

People do care.

ChrisF

@jjnguy I think a lot of people on SO are being overly sensitive to change

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Jin

8:46 PM

it's always a challenge to tweak something on a popular site. hard to please everyone.

jjnguy

@ChrisF Agreed.

Shog9

@Jin I will bake you a bacon torte if you do that... I'm not even sure what a torte is. But man, if I get a light-on-dark SO, it's going in the oven

4

Jin

@Shog9 or a Win3.1 Hotdog theme??

5

ChrisF

@jjnguy However that's not to say that it could be handled better

Richard aka cyberkiwi

April Fool's Day - roll back to skin/envelope pre March 2010! Given everyone has had a month to get used to the "improvements", let's see what happens

jjnguy

8:48 PM

@ChrisF I have yet to see anything really awful come out of their current method. It seems to work.

(Besides pissing people off)

Yi Jiang

@jjnguy Except a lot of wasted time arguing over really minor details

ChrisF

@jjnguy While that's true, a little prior notice would cut down on the noise.

jjnguy

@YiJiang yup. Besides people wasting their time.

Tim Stone

@ChrisF Shoving the pill of change down people's throats is necessary for Great Justice.

Shog9

@drachenstern **Meme:** Eeeek! Why did you {insert topic here}? -> Meme: Eeeek! {Observation of horrible, terrible, thing that has happened somewhere on SE}?

jjnguy

8:49 PM

@ChrisF true. It's getting super annoying.

Shog9

@TimStone amazon.com/Mikki-Pill-Gun/dp/B00076HUB4

drachenstern

@Shog9 Hmmmm ... the original proposal was for "why did you" and I think that's kind of like "wat is this I don't even" ... but you're right, it does change up doesn't it?

ChrisF

All they'd need to say is "we're changing stuff, things may break/disappear for a while and then reappear hopefully better than before, please bear with us".

jjnguy

@ChrisF that would indeed save lots of griping.

balpha

I'd say it would just turn "Eeeek! Why did you X" into "Eeeeeeek! Don't do X"

Yi Jiang

8:52 PM

@balpha It would cut down on duplicates, at least

ChrisF

However, when warning people before hand has been raised before (the great rep recalc for example) Jeff shoots it down. I think he must like the attention.

@balpha But the message could just say "stuff" without going into specifics...

Bill the Lizard

@balpha Those would also be in the answers to the single "We're planning to do X" question.

Time to go. Later all!

balpha

and the "Here's why you shouldn't do X question" and the "please remove the distracting 'We're planning to X' message" and the "Why do you want to X" questions, no even starting with the aftermath questions that will come up either way

ChrisF

@balpha - they don't have to say what X is. Just be vague. That will stop all those questions as they can't be about anything specific.

Tim Stone

2

\o/

systempuntoout

8:56 PM

16

Q: My super-awesome flag-weight dropped! What gives?

(intentional pre-emptive question) On Sunday I had 749 flag-weight! Now it is lower! What's up with that?

discussion support flag-weight

Shog9

@drachenstern

systempuntoout

I liked this approach

Shog9

**Description:** SO developers like to change things, just for the heck of it. This can be shocking for users, who find their site suddenly *different* in some way. Cherished envelopes go missing, then cherished posts complaining about cherished envelopes going missing go missing, then posts complaining about the missing posts go missing (sometimes before they're even given time to be cherished!). The inevitable response to this shock is a high-pitched squeal, aptly captured in the title prefix, "Eeek!" (the extra 'e' stands for 'extra-shocked`) **Description:** SO developers like to change…

balpha

@ChrisF since when do bikesheders need specifics?

drachenstern

@Shog9 grrr, I'm almost done with mine and then you go and introduce this :p ... lemme read

balpha

8:57 PM

I'm not even totally disagreeing

I'm just saying that you won't save anything by discussing upfront

ChrisF

You're probably right, but it would be worth doing just to see.

Tim Stone

@TimStone My favourite one there is "Eeeek! Netbeans Platform". That question definitely needs a better title... goes off to look at the post

balpha

add to that that Jeff has a tendency to be right, but often fails to convince people he is

drachenstern

@TimStone oh please do

@balpha I've noticed that. Also, what did you think of my most recent answer to your Careers2.0 question?

Shog9

@drachenstern I'm not sure why it ended up duplicated. Chat sucks for Weighty Topics.

drachenstern

8:59 PM

@Shog9 it can at times, yes

@TimStone any luck?

balpha

@Shog9 I like it

why the duplication?

drachenstern

@balpha he addressed that in :571991

**Meme:** Eeeek!  {Observation of horrible, terrible, thing that has happened somewhere in the SE2.0 codebase}?

**Originator:** [Marti](meta.stackoverflow.com/users/153019/marti)

**First Seen:** [4 Mar. 2011 ~ Eeeek what happened to my envelope?](meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/82538/…) (sorry guys, 10k only)

**Cultural Height:** Probably still to be reached, given the increase of developers working for SE.

**Definition:** SO developers like to change things, just for the heck of it. This can be shocking for users, who find their site sudd…

balpha

ah yeah

drachenstern

0

A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: Eeeek! {Observation of horrible, terrible, thing that has happened somewhere in the SE2.0 codebase}? Originator: Marti First Seen: 4 Mar. 2011 ~ Eeeek what happened to my envelope? (sorry guys, 10k only) Cultural Height: Probably still to be reached, given the increase of developers wor...

it's gonna get edited all to hell and back anyways, we'll roll with it like this for now.

systempuntoout

the vesuvius anecdot is meh

drachenstern

9:09 PM

I love it Shog

@systempuntoout did you see how Shog redid that part?

Crowdsourcing drama for the win.

systempuntoout

@dra ok, I like it

Shog9

Bah. Didn't even realize I'd left an 'e' out.

Andrew Moore

0

Q: GM Script: Revert changes to Unanswered Questions Box

If you are like me and think that the new styling for unanswered question drastically hurts the site's usability, rejoice. I've created a Greasemonkey script which will return unanswered questions to their old glory. Download: Stack Overflow Old Unanswered Boxes Compatible: Chrome / Firefox ...

script style greasemonkey stack-overflow

drachenstern

@AndrewMoore is there a question here?

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Its a StackApps script, so no, there isn't

drachenstern

9:24 PM

@YiJiang just checkin

Shog9

Blithe (comics)

Blithe is a fictional character from DC Comics' Supergirl series. She first appeared in Supergirl # 36, September 1999. History Little is known about Blithe's past. It is known that to become an Earth-Born Angel, one must sacrifice themselves for one who is beyond hope and merge with them into one being. But Blithe does not seem like someone who would save anybody. In fact Blithe was a valued servant of a vampiric demon called the Carnivore. At his behest, Blithe used her psychic light powers to illuminate repressed memories in the heartbroken male-female merged Comet, and make his fema...

Jesse Hartwick

One of these days, I'm gonna build a teeny tiny little app that submits SO questions for me while I sleep/work/whatever. It seems I only ever feel the need to ask a question at 3am when there's nobody there to see it.

drachenstern

So jump over here and drop a link to it and leave.

Not too often of course

Jesse Hartwick

That seems slightly abusive, no?

drachenstern

not if it's not too often.

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Jesse Hartwick

9:33 PM

Besides, my questions tend to show massive ignorance.

Shog9

straw-poll: who here has more than two "interesting" tags?

drachenstern

You only have 42 questions, that's not that many. Assuming you post them with regularity, you post twice a month (based on your length of stay vs # of questions)

Brant Bobby

Is Questionstatusbackgroundcolorgate '011 over yet?

Jesse Hartwick

Apparently I have 18 interesting tags

drachenstern

@BrantBobby no

Define: Interesting Tags

Jesse Hartwick

9:35 PM

@drachenstern I don't ask much anymore. Most of what I want to ask has long since been asked and answered.

drachenstern

@JesseHartwick so there you go then ;)

Michael Mrozek

@drachenstern I think he means "favorite" tags; interesting tags was the old name

drachenstern

On SO I have 5 for and 5 against

On Meta it's 4 and 4

Jesse Hartwick

@drachenstern Fair enough. I'll probably just end up putting a bounty on it tonight instead though (bounties are 24 hours after creation, right?).

drachenstern

@JesseHartwick that sounds about right

Jesse Hartwick

9:38 PM

I've got the rep to burn on it ;)

drachenstern

@JesseHartwick presumably you mean this question?

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Q: Retrieving a Model object: Should Models be composed of related models, or should they be retrieved separately?

Sorry for the crappy title, but I have an idea of this problem in my head, and I can't quite think of a proper way to summarize it. My problem is that I don't know many, if any, "sub-objects" - i.e. objects as members of the retrieved object - I should load when pulling a model from the database...

oop mvc class-design composite

Jesse Hartwick

Yeah, that's the one. Like I said, very noobish stuff.

Also, incredibly poorly worded, but that's what I get for posting at 3am

drachenstern

I follow what you want, and my only (noobish as well) advice is "return what you need as you need it".

Jesse Hartwick

Yeah, sorta what I thought. Something about that (option 2 in the question) just felt "unclean"

drachenstern

I think it's worse to return more information than was asked for

Consider the SO example again:

Yi Jiang

9:43 PM

@drachenstern Awww, the question's markup is effing messy - my did you decide to inline all your links? sighs

drachenstern

@YiJiang cos that's how I type? I can fix it if you like, or if you're going to do it, have fun :p

Richard aka cyberkiwi

Is there a way or userscript (e.g. js setinterval) to post a question on SE at a defined time?

Yi Jiang

Most of the examples are bad; if you're going to argue this way (and the argument doesn't really make a lot of sens) then at least support it well

drachenstern

You pretty much have three primary pulls:
linked-site badge, which we can see is done by using the linked account bit
post badge, which goes under each post
user page, which is not a badge

@Richardakacyberkiwi does one already exist? I doubt it. Could you write one? probably. Would the SE overlords frown very mightily on that? Absolutely.

It'll probably hit the captcha engine

Jesse Hartwick

@Richardakacyberkiwi Funny you should ask that, since I just came here lamenting that I needed to build just such a device in the near future

Brant Bobby

9:46 PM

Hmm... Write a question, have a program find the top answerers in the question's tags and what time of day they are most active, schedule it for posting then.

Shog9

@JesseHartwick Oddly enough, this was suggested once as a SO feature - the idea being that you could schedule your questions to post at peak viewing time or something. I... don't think it went over all that well.

Brant Bobby

When there are multiple peak times, post at the early one and make an automatic trivial edit at the others to bump it.

drachenstern

@BrantBobby please let's not.

Brant Bobby

:P

Shog9

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Q: There should be an Ask Question with delay feature

Its know that certain times of the day are better for asking questions than others. Sometimes someone has a very strange question, or has another good reason to game the time the question gets asked. Since the result is good for the user (gets the best possible anwer for their question), and assu...

feature-request

Brant Bobby

9:48 PM

This is why we can't have nice things like a read-write API.

Richard aka cyberkiwi

@JesseHartwick I completely forgot.. didn't link your request with my requirement. Was thinking about something else entirely. I thought I'd make it SE related (I can use it for SE) but it has other uses

Jesse Hartwick

@Shog9 Yeah, if everyone did something like that, nobody would get any attention anyway. Definitely not a great widespread feature, but it could work as a part-time hack for when you know nobody is on, but you just want to get the question written out right away.

Yi Jiang

Meh, can't be bothered to edit that mess; downvoting it instead

larsmans

anyone here interesting in answering a dupe question?

interestED

ChrisF

@larsmans I'd rather close it

Shog9

9:52 PM

rimshot

larsmans

@ChrisF: I understand :)

but the point is, someone just posted a more general question and got answers

ChrisF

@larsmans No reason not to close it

larsmans

while the older question had only upvotes

allright, but isn't there a way of merging them or something?

ChrisF

@larsmans Close the older question then. Or if they are really duplicates flag it for a mod to merge

Though merging will lose the text of the 2nd question. Probably best to close the 1st posted

Richard aka cyberkiwi

@drachenstern I hate that captcha engine. I see a question, draft and fully test code outside of the browser, come back, answer, paste - BAM - who're your friendly robots.

drachenstern

9:56 PM

@Richardakacyberkiwi yep

Richard aka cyberkiwi

I fully understand why it is required.. but it annoys me when it annoys me

drachenstern

@YiJiang revised for your benefit

larsmans

... followed your advice, now I've voted to close both. Irony has it that I wanted to ask on meta, then found a question about this which was a dupe.

ChrisF

Can you post links here so we can all help?

larsmans