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noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

12:33 AM

@hichris123 what kind of spam even is that

no commercial content, no relation to post

@AnthonyPham dare I edit that to "Thank you, I have this hacker. It cost me 4 iPhones this year."

what language was that even from, if it was google translated it

> Thank you I have this hacker . Cost me 4 iPhones this year.
10/10 best spam ever

user315433

Wonder what country has such primitive barter-based economy... having no currency, they exchange iPhones. "That will be 3 iPhones"

user315433

Although if this is how it works, then iPhones do serve as currency, so it's not barter anymore.

user202362

are you working for apple?

user202362

android is better because 10000+ different devices type, like you have some worth $15 dollars, some worth $1500 - the same way you have 10 cents and 100 dollar notes

bjb568

1:00 AM

Please hold on. Please set luggage cart brake to on.

I am triggered to remember this any time SFO is mentioned.

I'm the last of the generation of kids who heard that.

RIP.

Anthony Pham

@zaq Maybe hacking the iPhone itself made him buy four different iPhones to be able to "hack" SE

Now I'm the next!

But how are old are you @bjb568

bjb568

too old

user315433

What, did they get rid of inter-terminal rail system or something?

bjb568

Nah, they just changed it to a more sane message.

user315433

SFO AirTrain Blue Line Terminal G to BART San Francisco International Airport California

►

user315433

1:05 AM

No worries, it's preserved on YouTube for generations that come after us.

bjb568

:D

Anthony Pham

I see Bart!

Jason C

1:49 AM

@ShadowWizard Wait. I missed this message. Can you clarify "wet"?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@AnthonyPham Two means you can't combine any two

overflow and exchange are ok, but exchange overflow is not

@SEINC Using "How To Not Overflow the Stack" as a product name violates your trademark guidelines

user315433

There is a pretty large blog with a "column" (category) "Stack Overflow", geekdad.com/category/columns/stack-overflow

user315433

I think one may also observe that "stack overflow" is a technical term that was in existence long before SO, and from which SO takes its name.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

Dear SE Lawyers: your code does not handle edgecases well. Like "Overflow Exchange".

@zaq SE trademarked an existing public domain term

user315433

"public domain" does not apply here at all, we are not talking about copyright.

user315433

2:02 AM

Trademark law vs copyright law

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@zaq right after I found the wikipedia article on copyfraud en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud

> Most trademarks are adapted from words or symbols already common to the culture, as Apple, Inc. is from apple, instead of being invented by the mark owner (such as Kodak). Courts have recognized that ownership in the mark cannot prevent others from using the word or symbol in these other senses, such as if the trademark is a descriptive word or common symbol such as a pine tree.

Well, now the legal guidelines are lying.

They are preventing your legal right to use a common descriptive word!

user315433

You can use the words stack overflow just fine.

user315433

But if you make a thing, and name it "Stack Overflow", you are not just using the words.

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@zaq I'm (not) going to conclude that SE Inc. is a violation of trademark law, by calling their product "Stack Overflow"

that last message was joke, to be clear

Rob

As long as a reasonable person would not assume your title 'Stack Overflow' was linked to or endorsed by SE, then you are okay

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

2:07 AM

@Rob The guidelines lie, though:

> Including one of the terms, "Stack" or "Exchange" or "Overflow" in your product name is generally okay.

Rob

Yes, in terms of copyright and trademark law. The above ^ clearly wouldn't hold up in court if I made a blog post 'How I solved a stack overflow error'

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

Why can't I call my product Exchange Overflow?

- legal lawsuit in the year of 2058

Rob

capitalization or not

Even though I used more than one of the terms

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@Rob but what if you named your product PSOE, "Preventing Stack Overflow errors" a book by Rob "I don't know your last name" ID300713 from Australia

Rob

I would imagine you would be fine, but it depends on what country you're based in, of course

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

2:11 AM

The founding fathers may or may not have considered semi-automatic assault rifles "arms"

Rob

Generally trademarks disputes are on a case by case basis, and how likely it is an 'average person' would conflate the two products

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

And the government can't take my right to have bear arms

> A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

(from raw text of constitution)

Anthony Pham

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ You seem to be a 1800's Federalist with a loose interpretation of the Constitution :)

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@AnthonyPham I recently did a project which was a debate and I was given the federalist role

Anthony Pham

I'm a psychic!

qwer

2:50 AM

It's been a while I've visited ja.SO, seems they like to answer but not voting.

And they have 2 users with over 10k rep

The 10k privilege is lowered to 4k though, so there are 17 users who have it.

(and 20k priv lowered to 5k with 12 users)

user315433

3:34 AM

They also don't like closing

user315433

Jan 13 at 23:06, by zaq

Comparison of % closed: pt.SO 21%, es.SO 20%, ru.SO 14%, SO 11%, ja.SO 4%

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@AnthonyPham it was 1700s though

Did bluefeet get elected, then become community manager/employed by SE?

@SmokeDetector what email, smokedetector?

user315433

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Yes. There's a chart for that: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/311059

user315433

@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Some solution temple thing, see metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/53736 The answer's been deleted so you are redirected to the question.

user315433

That chart is out of date, I probably have the current version somewhere...

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

3:39 AM

How did SE reach out to an elected mod and just offer employment?

user315433

bluefeet applied for a job. A programming job, actually; but was offered a CM position. AFAIR

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

@zaq lol

user315433

This is in a recent podcast: stackoverflow.blog/2016/12/…

user315433

Worth listening to.

user315433

I have the current chart as a PDF, but no obvious way to share that...

user315433

3:48 AM

Aha, GitHub pages: normalhuman.github.io/moderator-chart.pdf

user315433

I squeezed it horizontally because it was getting too wide to read.

user315433

blue = moderator, purple = SE employee

hichris123

@zaq Jeremy should be there as an employee now.

user315433

Thanks, will fix. He's the only one with a gap between modship and employment.

user315433

Employment begins October 10 of last year, according to Nick, twitter.com/Nick_Craver/status/785518355637792768

hichris123

4:00 AM

Is that made with LaTeX? Definitely looks like it with the font.

user315433

@hichris123 Yes, with tikz package. And I have very little idea of how tikz works, but the chart is updated now.

bjb568

@JasonC You want to know?

user315433

The source is at overleaf.com/read/gvswtdjgvxtb -- this is where I edit it, compile, and download PDF.

Jason C

@bjb568 I need to know.

bjb568

Well, when a man and a women…

woman

The whole women woman thing is so weird.

Just typing it made me think it sounds like worm.

wurm worm

English weird.

Night!

user315433

4:14 AM

And that was your daily show of "5-letter words that begin with w"

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